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Ilmonstre
Viper Squad
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Posted - 2007.10.26 23:27:00 -
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maybe we feel they will provide more fun afterwards
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.10.26 23:34:00 -
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Edited by: Gyro DuAquin1 on 26/10/2007 23:35:12
Originally by: Sacul
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
Originally by: Oofig VanDoogan Sov should change in XZH by Wednesday I think it is
So frege moving into xzh after their got kicked out of their outpost as the 2nd biggest alliace iga by ppl that are not half as good as tri is atm and bragging about things in this forum. I wonder if frege is 1 of the 2 hardcore pvp alliances tri wants to allign with, cause the last time ive seen a frege fight it was pretty much the worst showing of a .0 entity since ascn hobbits in their early pvp days - tri should have kept the mcgreddy ppl those at least dropped good loot.
next time we want your unsollicited advice we'll make sure to pay u in the form of a Titan ... 
yes we need a new titan, an avatar would be much appriciated, as we are tired of the blackscreen thing anyhow.
So what will frege get out of this? AFAIK they had no reltionship with youwhat, or is just another one of the bandwaggon hoppers who hopes to get a piece from the cake afterwards?
Originally by: Ilmonstre maybe we feel they will provide more fun afterwards
That a thought i had, reseting them right after they have sov and kill them, and take the space again in 4 weeks when they can anchor a cyno jamer - tinfoil time
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Keidre
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 23:39:00 -
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Well FREGE has a corp called White Zombies, and you gotta give them credit for that. awesome band.
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Attak
Trioptimum FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
Originally by: Oofig VanDoogan Sov should change in XZH by Wednesday I think it is
So frege moving into xzh after their got kicked out of their outpost as the 2nd biggest alliace iga by ppl that are not half as good as tri is atm and bragging about things in this forum. I wonder if frege is 1 of the 2 hardcore pvp alliances tri wants to allign with, cause the last time ive seen a frege fight it was pretty much the worst showing of a .0 entity since ascn hobbits in their early pvp days - tri should have kept the mcgreddy ppl those at least dropped good loot.
This is truth. FREGE is the worst 0.0 alliance.
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5n4keyes
Sacred Templars DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 00:11:00 -
[215]
I think FREGE are smart enough not to unanchor the POS holding the cyno jammer, and are also smart enough to put stront in the only remaining POS which gives sov to a station system...
I think they also put up atleast a little fight...
*ponders*
Nice system, ill pew pew it 
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Sacul
Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Keidre Well FREGE has a corp called White Zombies, and you gotta give them credit for that. awesome band.
thats trevor's corporation me lubs trevor and spanish and flammy and all them guys :p
The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.27 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Attak
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
Originally by: Oofig VanDoogan Sov should change in XZH by Wednesday I think it is
So frege moving into xzh after their got kicked out of their outpost as the 2nd biggest alliace iga by ppl that are not half as good as tri is atm and bragging about things in this forum. I wonder if frege is 1 of the 2 hardcore pvp alliances tri wants to allign with, cause the last time ive seen a frege fight it was pretty much the worst showing of a .0 entity since ascn hobbits in their early pvp days - tri should have kept the mcgreddy ppl those at least dropped good loot.
This is truth. FREGE is the worst 0.0 alliance.
RISE would beg to differ
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Vasili Z
Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.27 00:46:00 -
[218]
Originally by: 5n4keyes I think FREGE are smart enough not to unanchor the POS holding the cyno jammer, and are also smart enough to put stront in the only remaining POS which gives sov to a station system...
I think they also put up atleast a little fight...
*ponders*
Nice system, ill pew pew it 
Hey 5n4keyes! Your irrelevance to the fight for CR cannot be overstated. You weren't in any of the battles. Don't let that keep you from mooching off Triumvirate's success though. -------
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5n4keyes
Sacred Templars DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Vasili Z
Originally by: 5n4keyes I think FREGE are smart enough not to unanchor the POS holding the cyno jammer, and are also smart enough to put stront in the only remaining POS which gives sov to a station system...
I think they also put up atleast a little fight...
*ponders*
Nice system, ill pew pew it 
Hey 5n4keyes! Your irrelevance to the fight for CR cannot be overstated. You weren't in any of the battles. Don't let that keep you from mooching off Triumvirate's success though.
Hmmmm no... whilst you were fighting in CR, me and my guys have been going around all your POS and popping them one by one.
And well.. slowly, with the help of Mostly Harmless claiming P-2... which by my working, looses sov tomorrow... But your going to claim you didnt want that system anyways, however wildcard dropping a tower after we popped the one that was there the other night says differently.
So mooching off Tris Success, no, Dancing in my own success, i am 
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Vasili Z
Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.27 01:06:00 -
[220]
Originally by: 5n4keyes
Originally by: Vasili Z
Originally by: 5n4keyes I think FREGE are smart enough not to unanchor the POS holding the cyno jammer, and are also smart enough to put stront in the only remaining POS which gives sov to a station system...
I think they also put up atleast a little fight...
*ponders*
Nice system, ill pew pew it 
Hey 5n4keyes! Your irrelevance to the fight for CR cannot be overstated. You weren't in any of the battles. Don't let that keep you from mooching off Triumvirate's success though.
Hmmmm no... whilst you were fighting in CR, me and my guys have been going around all your POS and popping them one by one.
And well.. slowly, with the help of Mostly Harmless claiming P-2... which by my working, looses sov tomorrow... But your going to claim you didnt want that system anyways, however wildcard dropping a tower after we popped the one that was there the other night says differently.
So mooching off Tris Success, no, Dancing in my own success, i am 
Damn, I was wrong, obviously DeStInY is the pvp elite in this crowd, dropping a couple POS in P-2, and shooting some random POS with MH's cap fleet, is quite impressive, and that was most definitely the straw that broke -Y-'s back; it wasn't the 25+ random corps that don't do anything, or the 80 capital ships in XZH, it was DeStInY throwing up some POS in P-2. Obviously you would have done the same thing if Tri wasn't attacking XZH right? Oh wait, no, you're just here to mooch.
You're only here as a byproduct of someone else's war, get over yourself. -------
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5n4keyes
Sacred Templars DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 01:15:00 -
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The only POS we have shot at with Mostly Harmless is in P-2, and our caps where there too, tho had some of YW showed up you would of seen that.
Also note, we started the attack on P-2 before the fall of XZH.
Meh, good to see ive atleast upset one member of YW tonight, any more wanna come bash me
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Indispongo Assai
Minmatar Da Korp
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Posted - 2007.10.27 03:23:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Maximoff too late i leave first than this happen )
You have a great experience on that. You always leave the ship right before it sinks.
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Juha85
Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.27 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: 5n4keyes The only POS we have shot at with Mostly Harmless is in P-2, and our caps where there too, tho had some of YW showed up you would of seen that.
Also note, we started the attack on P-2 before the fall of XZH.
Meh, good to see ive atleast upset one member of YW tonight, any more wanna come bash me
Anything that destiny has done in this war of theirs has in no way contributed to what has happened. If it wasnt for trium and the other entities destiny wouldnt have done jack ****. On a side note I dont know how much fun you will get out of frege once their settle in cloud ring, I dont know them too good. On the other hand if Trium would have given us a month or two to get the **** together after the merge they would have gotten more fights out from us and surely a more interesting war. So it's absolute bull**** to claim that you started the war to get good fights.
Furthermore just for Trium: a) Dont claim you did it alone, since there were alot of entities going against -y-. The standard alliance blob, however I can give it to you that if it wasnt for trium the rest of the guys wouldnt have mattered b) Dont claim you didn't use any lowlife tactics like spies. It was sure fun to see one of our corp members dropping stuff to our corp chat from one of the triums channels. And on this trium channel you were discussing about the stuff -y- was saying in their alliance chat. I dont care that you used spies, but just dont go claiming that you didn't. (in some topic, maybe even this one)
And to frege, lets see how long you will hold cloud ring if -y- decides to come back. Personally im enjoying my vacation from this pos **** and am doing some very fun pewpew, cu in space  ---------------------------------------
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Thargat
Caldari North Star Networks Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sith Bandon I personaly hope that Y will hire mc
We were actually hoping for something like that. Fights would have been nice.... or so we said at the time atleast.
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touchvill
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 10:37:00 -
[225]
A little report of what has happened (it's hard to make it sound all that interesting after the first night though so I won't)
First and foremost, it still stands, it's boring as hell in XZH. Am I suprised? No. I am sure You What knew they had troubles if we got that cyno jammer down which we did on our first ever planned op and not a spur of the moment "get your ass in gang we gonna kill the jammer" op. 160 battleships from a Tri only gang made me smile. It was a sight to be seen, when we took the cyno jammer down, a large chunk of the sniper headed home to ready their caps whils the remaining snipers were charged with delaying the rep of the jammer.
First time we warped in it had most it's shields back and about 1/3 of it's armor back and had 3 carriers repping it. We ignored the carriers as they would make it back in the bubble. Instead we all focussed fire on the jammer. We lost a lot of our numbers to the cap gang that we were forming, though at a random guess with losses and the other gang I would say we still had 80-90 left and 30ish support.
Second time we went there, it was not cyno hitting time, it was carrier hitting time. Support was ordered to warp to pos at close range but only if they had a web, whilst covert ops was making more sniper spots for the battleships. A carrier got webbed and he snipers came in and Slaqrs Archon didn't last very long at all. Next we was told to take on Wildcard, we got him to about half armor but he managed to get into the bubble, so then it was kalgarth's Thanatos remained outside the bubble, he got webbed to 1 m/s and was going down fast, I somehow think he lacked a damage control because he went from half armor to popping. We were all very confused as to whether he had died, after a minute or so of random, "nah he is dead", "no he made it" it was confirmed he had been destroyed.
Then the capitals were ready. The exact number I am unsure of I heard it was 76, either way it was in the 70-80 bracket. One dreadnaught got himself into all sorts of problems because he warped to the nasty pos full of neuts when he was told not to and Carriers had to support him suntil he could get out. Then carriers proceded taking out the neut baterries until it was safe for the dreads to warp in.
About 24 hours later and all pos had hit reinforced, and that's where we stand. Upto now You What has not been able to do anything to stop us. They have been shafted by the Fallen Souls/Sparta corps that have joined them and they are now in a deep crisis. War over? Not by a long stretch, there is still a long way and a long time to go if we do this unopposed. If You What can formulate a defense then it can take even longer. I for one hope they will try make a last stand or something. I know it's hard for them as they are unable to get any decent force together but for the good of my mental state, please give me something to shoot at. ----------
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Gordon Red
SteelVipers YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.27 10:40:00 -
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I can dont agree with all of your points Juha.
That BS fleet that TRI deployed was outstanding and there is no alliance in the the north that could withstand that kind of stuff on theit own. So at this point I would TRI gratulate for being able to mobilize so much members!
Sure with all that people there are some spies, but I can not see that IF TRI used spies that this would have done any difference.
On a sidenote I would like to say to the people that talking our size is ridiculous. We are not a "paper tiger", but much of the corps/members are never been seen in 0.0 at any time. We are filtering since the merge has been done. The minority of the members that left -Y- let on their own so far. And if you want to state that it was not a good decision to merge with FS, I would NOT agree. There are a lot of great people that I like to fly with and with those people alone we are stronger. About our actual "strength" I would say that we are be able to field half of the size that TRI can field.
So we are NOT the bigger alliance here! (And our member count that will reflect that soon )
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Gordon Red
SteelVipers YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.27 10:47:00 -
[227]
I can confirm Touchvill's report.
To solve your confusion about the two carriers, they had a frozen screen. So no moving back into the forcefield in time or turning on the reppers and such.
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Gamesguy
Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Juha85
Anything that destiny has done in this war of theirs has in no way contributed to what has happened. If it wasnt for trium and the other entities destiny wouldnt have done jack ****. On a side note I dont know how much fun you will get out of frege once their settle in cloud ring, I dont know them too good. On the other hand if Trium would have given us a month or two to get the **** together after the merge they would have gotten more fights out from us and surely a more interesting war. So it's absolute bull**** to claim that you started the war to get good fights.
We attacked you because your alliance leaders(although we hear it might've been just Krall acting on his own now, we didn't know at the time) decided to ask other alliances about forming a coalition to invade deklein.
We literally had 24 hours of notice for the attack. One day dark just said "get your ships, we're gonna go kill someone", and so we did.
Quote: Furthermore just for Trium: a) Dont claim you did it alone, since there were alot of entities going against -y-. The standard alliance blob, however I can give it to you that if it wasnt for trium the rest of the guys wouldnt have mattered
The biggest MH roaming gang that I've seen was around 20 ships, compared to our fleet the other day of 160 odd battleships and 40 or so support. Now they might have taken down p-2(I have no idea whats going on over there), but we had already taken fade by the time they started and you guys were pretty much confined to CR.
All the heavy lifting was done by us. You really think the extra 30 or so frege shooting station services really made any difference at all? We took down the cyno jammer solo(ok there was 1 ATF guy) and ours caps sieged all the pos.
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Zephyr Zhang
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Juha85
Originally by: 5n4keyes The only POS we have shot at with Mostly Harmless is in P-2, and our caps where there too, tho had some of YW showed up you would of seen that.
Also note, we started the attack on P-2 before the fall of XZH.
Meh, good to see ive atleast upset one member of YW tonight, any more wanna come bash me
So it's absolute bull**** to claim that you started the war to get good fights. your spys fail you so hard right now, did you know darknesss has made the reason for this attack public, hell everyone who reads these threads knows we attacked you because we heard of your plans to get an old schhol northern alliance blob to take down tri. preemptive strike.
Furthermore just for Trium: a) Dont claim you did it alone, since there were alot of entities going against -y-. The standard alliance blob, however I can give it to you that if it wasnt for trium the rest of the guys wouldnt have mattered- how can you say we are alliance blobbing you, our fleets are 99.999998% tri, with the odd tag along blue.
b) Dont claim you didn't use any lowlife tactics like spies. It was sure fun to see one of our corp members dropping stuff to our corp chat from one of the triums channels. And on this trium channel you were discussing about the stuff -y- was saying in their alliance chat. I dont care that you used spies, but just dont go claiming that you didn't. (in some topic, maybe even this one) - "DONT JOOZ SAY U DONYZ USE SPIEZ CUZ OUR SPIEZ TOLD US YOOO DOO U LIARS" right.....
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Juha85
Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.27 10:57:00 -
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If you look at my post you can see two points in there. First of all I do give most of the credit to trium as I said. But there were numerous other things contributing to all that and I dont mean mostly harmless. I mean the reckoning locking down our supply routes and all the empire wars we had which made it further more difficult.
And to Gordon, no I didnt say it would have been any different if they hadn't used spies and I agree most alliances do it anyway. The only thing was that I saw trium here on forums claiming that they didnt have any spies and thats what gets on my nervous. People lying. ---------------------------------------
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Gordon Red
SteelVipers YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.27 11:15:00 -
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Maybe your own OPs containing only 99% TRI, but we are facing a lot of different alliances since some of the old -Y- want to leave to the south.
- 1-4 (steady) wardecs since 2 month - Outbreak and Red Alliance roaming the low sec areas since the diversion of the old -Y- They shoot a lot of the guys that wanted to leave, so I don't complain much, but the material flow from and to our space have been limited (mostly a problem for the smaller corps). - TRI attacking - MH and Destiny attacking p-2 on their own - Frege deployed some posses and personal (POS in the station systems got kicked) - Outbreak and Evoke gangs roaming also CR (but they were fun to fight against)
NOTE - this is not a whine, just some information that some people might want to notice. It is "normal" what is happening or happened so far.
I can not complain much, people attacking when some one apears to be weak. That's natural selection. What will be left from -Y- will be stronger and I am looking forward to.
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Kenion
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.27 12:06:00 -
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You turncoats act like everyone should feel sorry for you. Turncoats will get what turncoats deserve. Triumvirate will end your pathetic excuse for an alliance.
Flamebait ftw!  ---------------------------------------------- Fight BoB because all women love the strong who falls, but also the weak that stands. |

Darknesss
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 12:13:00 -
[233]
Of course we use spies, every alliance with half a brain in the game uses spies. But we dont rely on them, none of our victories were because of a spy or spying.
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Ben Nato
Merchants Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2007.10.27 12:50:00 -
[234]
For a while I've done my best not to post here but I would like to make my feelings towards YW and the current war known.
I have the utmost respect for most corps in YW and concider the people in Beast of Burden friends. I flew with them for a few weeks and I like those guys and gals and think they are professional and people who deserve respect.
However STV and Wildcard are the ones I have a problem with. I once lost 500 million isk due to their immense stupidity and have no intention to forgive them or forget what they have done. When the incident took place I realised that there is a big difference between the leadership in YW (this was before FSP & co left). I learned at this time that STV are nothing more than arrogant noobs who assume that the alliance belongs to them and that they can do as they wish. Eventually this noobish attitude, coupled with their stupidity, led to TRI invading and taking Fade from STV. I told STV that I hope they lose ten times more than I did but I wasn't expecting their losses to be this big, well done TRI.
I'm not happy that my former comrades and the new people who have joined YW not knowing what kind of a people STV are are suffering and hope the conflict comes to an end soon. I will be delighted and rejoice when STV have been utterly crushed and destroyed but for the sake of all others I prey for a swift end either way.
The reason why I'm posting here as an ex YW member is that I had no intentions of fighting on behalf of an alliance ran by those useless wastes of space in STV. I really felt bad when I left but I was not in the mood to bankrupt myself just because STV have no idea how to command fleet battles and how to treat other alliance members in general.
Beast of Burden I hope you put up a stubborn fight and not give way to those Tri. STV I hope you all get bankrupted, lose all friends and are forced to leave the game. You will not be missed.
I recommend all of YW stop following STV and either kick them from the alliance or leave the alliance and form a new one. Then throw STV to TRI like slaves to lions and be done with them. Maybe then TRI will end the siege and YW can rebuild and prepare for the next war and conflict.
LOLZ and lots of LOLZ at the "FC's and CEO's only are allowed to post in COAD or the forums". What're you going to do YW? Kick members if they post here? I'd love to see you do that, it's this idiocy that got you in the war in the first place now please start kicking pilots and corps because they can't use tech 2 425mm rails for fleet ops. Please keep making posts like that, they make my day. N00BZ.
Ben.
P.S. As my sig says this is my own personal view and has nothing to do with my corp, if you have a problem with me you can take it up with me in the game. I will not respond to stupid posts here.
My views do not represent those of my corp/alliance and if they don't like them they can selfdestruct. |

Gordon Red
SteelVipers YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.27 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kenion You turncoats act like everyone should feel sorry for you. Turncoats will get what turncoats deserve. Triumvirate will end your pathetic excuse for an alliance. Flamebait ftw! 
Get a clue!
We changed the standings sides when BoB don't looked that wella nd no one attacked D2 in the north during that time => so no bandwagon.
We don't attacked D2 after that change of standings. Two days later D2 was in CR and left FLA in CR to finish us off, after D2 was only half finished there with the POSes.
And the most important "turncoats" or "backstabbers" are people that changing their minds all time and attacking blues.
Were it has been written that once I set someone to blue, that this should remain like this for ever?!? It was a long journey to like BoB more as D2. (BoB has been for US a honorable enemy). And so someday BoB has been near as the people we haveing on blue.
We were no D2-pets and it was uppon us to choose.
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Louis DelaBlanche
Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.27 12:57:00 -
[236]
this forum seems to lose all grace & civility when one sides tower starts to crumble & the other knows it.
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.27 13:06:00 -
[237]
Originally by: Gordon Red
Originally by: Kenion You turncoats act like everyone should feel sorry for you. Turncoats will get what turncoats deserve. Triumvirate will end your pathetic excuse for an alliance. Flamebait ftw! 
Get a clue!
We changed the standings sides when BoB don't looked that wella nd no one attacked D2 in the north during that time => so no bandwagon.
We don't attacked D2 after that change of standings. Two days later D2 was in CR and left FLA in CR to finish us off, after D2 was only half finished there with the POSes.
And the most important "turncoats" or "backstabbers" are people that changing their minds all time and attacking blues.
Were it has been written that once I set someone to blue, that this should remain like this for ever?!? It was a long journey to like BoB more as D2. (BoB has been for US a honorable enemy). And so someday BoB has been near as the people we haveing on blue.
We were no D2-pets and it was uppon us to choose.
pulse your schildbooster about it
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Kenion
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.27 13:24:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Gordon Red
Get a clue!
We changed the standings sides when BoB don't looked that wella nd no one attacked D2 in the north during that time => so no bandwagon.
We don't attacked D2 after that change of standings. Two days later D2 was in CR and left FLA in CR to finish us off, after D2 was only half finished there with the POSes.
And the most important "turncoats" or "backstabbers" are people that changing their minds all time and attacking blues.
Were it has been written that once I set someone to blue, that this should remain like this for ever?!? It was a long journey to like BoB more as D2. (BoB has been for US a honorable enemy). And so someday BoB has been near as the people we haveing on blue.
We were no D2-pets and it was uppon us to choose.
Yes and that choice is coming to bite you in the back. Because BoB obviously doesn't care at all what happens to you now. I'm just saying it's karma.
You turn on D2 The north gets "choo-choo'ed" New entities appear. Remnants of the old north reappears. The remnants deal with the new entities. All traitors like Sparta etc, is dealt with by TRI together with temporary nap pacts. North is cleansed. North remembers you switching sides. TRI mops you up.
Moral of story? Had you not switched sides, the north most likely would have aided you. And you would have lived to see another day in YouWhat.
So, byebye YouWhat, you deserve no less. ---------------------------------------------- Fight BoB because all women love the strong who falls, but also the weak that stands. |

Gordon Red
SteelVipers YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.27 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: Gordon Red on 27/10/2007 13:53:09
Originally by: Kenion
Yes and that choice is coming to bite you in the back. Because BoB obviously doesn't care at all what happens to you now. I'm just saying it's karma.
You turn on D2 The north gets "choo-choo'ed" New entities appear. Remnants of the old north reappears. The remnants deal with the new entities. All traitors like Sparta etc, is dealt with by TRI together with temporary nap pacts. North is cleansed. North remembers you switching sides. TRI mops you up.
Moral of story? Had you not switched sides, the north most likely would have aided you. And you would have lived to see another day in YouWhat.
So, byebye YouWhat, you deserve no less.
We don't asked BoB for help so far, a) because we knew that they have their hands full atm. b) because people don't deserve space, if they aren't able to hold it.
We are no alliance that is twice as big as TRI (in power). In fact it is vice versa from the actual strength. You can't look only at the numbers an alliance has on eve-maps.
And I can't agree with your morale.
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touchvill
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 13:56:00 -
[240]
Amongst all the You What hate going on in here, I would like to say respect to the ones who have tried to defend their home. To the ones who abandoned them, don't you dare come on here calling us backstabbers, you left your guys when they needed you most you bunch of ******* hypocrits!
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