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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2007.10.20 14:23:00 -
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Well thanks for the heads up. I did go and check my CC statement. Nothing there that I can see.
However, odds are this was someone you gave your CC number to over the phone or in a shop.
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Leonidas Rex
Amarr
FM Corp
Insomnia.
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Posted - 2007.10.20 14:40:00 -
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Well.. let's see here..
On average there is about 0.2 daily issues with credit cards for every 1000 persons having a card (or 1 in 5000 to make it easy). These issues are normal day issues and not related to EVE in any sense, they involve people loosing their cards, number theft, card theft and a wide range of other things, all whom more or less leads to that the card number becomes "public". The statistics here only involve the use of cards in "public areas", areas such as shops and outdoor activity, electronic theft is not included.
Most EVE players have a credit card to pay their accounts, I think EVE has about 180 000 subscribers/accounts, as many people have multiple accounts we can round this down to about 150 000 unqiue persons (cards).
This means that about 30 people in EVE will have some problem with their card every day, problems not tied to EVE at all, these problems range from number theft, fraud, lost cards etc etc..
So that the issue with you credit card coinciding with the downtime of eve yesterday is not really that surprising. With 30 daily issues among the EVE players alone it means that there is on average more than 1 each hour..
Bah, sorry, I just made all of that up, have fun playing.
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caldaricitizin000011
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:36:00 -
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Where else have you used your card? A spouse or family member perhaps?
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Verlaine Glariant
The Seventh Ring
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:43:00 -
[34]
If you want to help, please file a petition.
Verlaine Glariant. Tactical Weapons Specialist.
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Scathson
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:46:00 -
[35]
 Originally by: Thufir Hawats
One thing that disapoints me is that I can't directly pay through Paypal. It's only the largest internet payment system, so why bother? Sure, I can pay with Paybycash and use Paypal to pay THEM, but that adds nearly 25% to the cost alltogether resulting in a payment of $18.19 instead of $14.95. Very customer unfriendly. Hek, I know smallish internet shops that work directly with Paypal, why not CCP?
And does anyone know why I was billed $19.95 instead of $14.95 this month? Petitioned to ask, but didn't get an answer yet and I really very much like to know.
yes, i would much prefer to pay through paypal - the fewer transactions i do where i have to once again supply my card info the better
on top of that my credit union blocks all transactions with the UK (which apparently our payments for this game run through) because of huge fraud issues orginating there - i have to call several days before my game time is up to get my card unblocked for a few days
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Hickock
Caldari
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:02:00 -
[36]
This tread is full of loss.
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Transcendant One
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:05:00 -
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The OP's posting has not improved.
Weren't you quitting eve?
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 20/10/2007 11:47:49
Then how does the credit card get billed automatically to pay up subs?
WTS: Understanding of online billing systems.
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Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Booooo!!! Tarminic sux!!!
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:12:00 -
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Tarminic, go on. Impress me.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:14:00 -
[40]
*whistle tweet*
Jenny Spitfire, 10 yard penalty for lame
Forum Warrios, first down
I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear
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Vaklash
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:25:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Varia Net
CCP, I got a call from my credit card company on Thursday,
asking me to confirm a transaction done that very day.
It wasn't done by me, thus fraud.
As a result my number and card had to be blocked, for replacement, with all the hassle that brings.
And now I read of your security breach?
That is NO coincidence.
You apparently haven't tracked everything down yet.
PLEASE don't downplay the severity of your db leak, and have another look a the info that got leaked out, to make sure.
Any others who got credit card issues these days?
You idiot, first post is "OMG CCP LOST MY CREDIT CARD NUMBER LETS START A ****STORM" and then a few posts later you simply say "well it could be".
Screw you and your drama, trying to get attention and make up problems.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Tarminic on 20/10/2007 16:33:04
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Tarminic, go on. Impress me.
I've only had experience paying with a credit card, so I'll relate to you what probably goes on.
When you setup a payment with a credit card, you fill out the appropriate form with your card number, type, expiration date and other required information. Once this happens, CCP sends that information over a secure channel (HTTPS if I recall) to a third party that will actually make the transactions at CCP's behest. That third party will store the credit card and give CCP and ID that represents said credit card. CCP will then store that ID number in your account information.
Before this, CCP (so you know which card you used) will store the last 4 digits of your card and the card type. If you change your credit card, the process repeats and CCP will store the new ID number with your account info along with the new 4 digits/card type.
To Summarize:
CCP receives the data, sends it over a secure channel to a third party, and the third party sends back an ID number that represents said credit card. CCP associates that ID number with your account and sends a billing request to said third party to actually carry out the transaction (also over a secure channel). CCP touches your credit card info only long enough to pass it on, and never actually stores it.
EDIT: Of course, I can't absolutely verify this as I haven't had any direct experience with e-commerce transactions, but I'm fairly certain this is how it works.
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Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Booooo!!! Tarminic sux!!!
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:34:00 -
[43]
*whistle tweet*
Tarminic, responding to Jenny, 3 day suspension
I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:35:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
*whistle tweet*
Tarminic, responding to Jenny, 3 day suspension
Damn. 
But it was about internet stuff, and I like talking about internet stuff!
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Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Booooo!!! Tarminic sux!!!
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:36:00 -
[45]
Arguing with ref, thats it find yourself a new league 
I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:42:00 -
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Tarminic, good explanation but you missed the point. I do understand how it works at that level before you have explained it to me.
I want an option to have my card details - actual or meta-details from CCP's server. I don't care about the first 4 and last 4 digits, bank name and name on card. I also prefer an option to have my card details not stored on a third party computer. The point, is I do not want any card detail to be stored on any party's server. I do not feel safe.
I do not mind keying in card details every time my sub is due.
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I 100% agree with Avon.
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Crazy Broad
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:44:00 -
[47]
Then um.. cancel after you pay? It deletes your information off their server. Jesus...
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This thread isn't delivery its digorno
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:47:00 -
[48]
Does cancel really remove details from CCP's server and the third party's? Could a CCP representative please confirm?
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Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng.
I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |
Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:49:00 -
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no, they can't, this is a message board not a customer service representitive, if you WANT an official CCP response you are REQUIRED to submit your question to an official CCP representitive, IE petition
now stfu and go away
I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear
What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan! |
Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:50:00 -
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Fine. I will petition and ask.
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Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng.
I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |
Pudnucker
Boennerup Banden
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Posted - 2007.10.22 01:57:00 -
[51]
OP
Did you know that Solitaire is used as a form of cryptography?
CC information stored on any server worth its salt would only be accessible by logging on using tokens (IE a Dongle), one-time 'pads' and finally proper authentication and control measures. And don't forget the encryption. Or possible re-encryption.
Also, all illegal spendings on a credit card are reimbursed if the person has taken adequate safety measures (IE using antivirus software, ensuring the site being used uses SSL2 etc) to prevent theft/fraud.
I knew that degree in IT security was worth it! 
So: If your CC information is nicked from you and it wasn't due to a mugging or RL subterfuge then you're a ******* careless moron 
P.S. You were supposed to leave EVE 4 months ago.
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Kessiaan
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Posted - 2007.10.22 02:37:00 -
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Quote:
That is NO coincidence.
As this is the first I've heard of this, I'd have to say, yes, it probably is a coincidence.
Besides only a complete ****** would keep CC #s and other customer info in the same database the game runs off of.
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peroxide chase
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Posted - 2007.10.22 03:27:00 -
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Edited by: peroxide chase on 22/10/2007 03:32:15
I do work with payment gateways and merchant accounts.
The following MUST be submitted for a CC to be charged ( note this is not the same as to capture a pending charge)
Send the request to the merchant with the CC#, EXP date and postal code.
IE if i was so inclined i could put a charge on my own CC with a payment gateway with the name "omg wthhax", address of "123 anytown, usa, ca 90210" but have the valid CC#, exp date and postal code and it will process (have done this done before by mistake)
Pending capture requests need cvv2 #'s. People do not store CVV2 #'s
I would bet CCP stores the name, address postal code, exp date and CC# in full and in the clear (not encrypted)
However i do agree they use a unique DB for the CC info as the secure site is under a unique IP.
hopefully this is more secure and only viewed from secured locations.
UPDATED
Also i recommend every one to use American express, they will charge back WITH OUT notice to the merchant nor will they allow a merchant to submit a counter claim.
All other merchants allow the merchant to submit counter claim and review it per the terms the charge was submitted under.
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