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Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.21 01:23:00 - [61] Originally by: maCH'EttE You're lucky you didn't get banned, TBH. Personally, I think you should be. Dude, I bust out laughing at your sig pic. That thing is hilarious beyond description. ----------- Support fixing the EVE UI
Aphotic Raven Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.10.21 01:29:00 - [62] Originally by: Celvice Klein I bet 10 isk (without reading the OPs employement history) that this is an alt of some anti-isk farmer trying to warn possible customers of said farmers about the consequences. Heck, it could even be a CCP employee. My guess is the alt of a major GTC seller... Isk farmers are good for eve (in 0.0 where you can hunt them), its stabbed/cloaking/logging ravens that are bad Originally by: Dr Cupid Let me tell you all that I'm really enjoying eve-beta, and can't wait for the real game to come out!
MindDragon Caldari The Flaming Sideburn's	Posted - 2007.10.21 02:08:00 - [63] Ways of fixing the isk sellers 1) Within chat and forums scan for the keywords and known domain names and email addresses. 2) Add a report post / report isk seller button that sends the associated chat logs directly to a forum admin or in game admin that can then ban those accounts. 3) In game, they have to pay for those accounts anyway, even on a "free trial" they provide credit card details. Charge the card and close the account -- modify the EULA if you have to that states that ISK sellers will have to pay for one month of service and have the account locked. Add a routine that monitors new sign ups for those credit card / address details. 4) Provide bounties (say 25 million isk) for anyone that reports a verified ISK seller account. I'm sure there's many more ideas...those are just a few to start with. ------ This space for rent.
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.21 02:13:00 - [64] Originally by: Celvice Klein I bet 10 isk (without reading the OPs employement history) that this is an alt of some anti-isk farmer trying to warn possible customers of said farmers about the consequences. Heck, it could even be a CCP employee. and maybe not I know along time friend in eve who quit recently cause he ended up like this worst still was he had enough assets to get himself out of trouble but I guess he must have felt ashamed, but he was a billion in negative. Join The Fight With Promo Today
Wigglytuff Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.21 03:52:00 - [65] Originally by: Lady Disortium 2. reroll your character Just don't cheat (again) by using loaded dice that always give you 18s. I'd have probably banned your account forever for buying isk.
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.10.21 04:21:00 - [66] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 20/10/2007 16:58:55 You are either a brave man to admit it, or a very foolish one. QFT - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online
Kon sama	Posted - 2007.10.21 04:37:00 - [67] guy i know got banned for the so called "isk buying" what happened is some welknown isk seller(ccp if you know he is an isk seller why do you not ban him) sent isk to his account. This guy i know was a billionair already and certainly didnt need to buy isk. and he didnt get the billiones from buying isk either. he got it from doing cosmos and mining. but becoz the isk seller sent isk to his account,(accident or set up by other people) he got banned. wich is pretty *** coz he certainly did not buy isk. And no it isnt my alt Anyway this little mistake is costing him iskies though. from not being able to mine or farm cosmos or whatever. CCP are investigating this now. What i am interested in knowing is if CCP does find out it was a mistake and unban him. What will CCP do to make of for his lost play time, his payed account and him not able to make money?
Rilder Caldari THC LTD Dogs of War.	Posted - 2007.10.21 05:05:00 - [68] Originally by: DHB WildCat The punishment you recieved is just. I bet you dont do it agian 8). Dont listen to the omg ban him babies. The lesson was learned, the punishment hard, and the ability to inform the public about what will happen beneficial. As I frown and scoled you on the isk buying, I apload your courage to admit the fault. Learn from it, and trust me. The shiney toys are not worth it. 8) This. --
Pieter Patrick	Posted - 2007.10.21 05:37:00 - [69] You can always contact me in game if you really need ammo.
gojwer	Posted - 2007.10.21 05:39:00 - [70] Edited by: gojwer on 21/10/2007 05:44:40 Edited by: gojwer on 21/10/2007 05:40:03 since isk farmers can get around bans by proxies and using rotating IP ISPs (think AOL dialup, shouldnt be too hard to afk mine on that), the only recourse is to go after buyers. buyers themselves are showing low standards in buying isk from a group that is completely unaffiliated with CCP. every day theres ads for isk buying and none of the URLs are even close to anything like something legitimate from CCP. so you're saying you're giving money to a third party, and that means CCP probably isnt going to see any of it. that right there should be the tipoff its a bad idea. then theres the fact that accounts get hacked by giving these people their account info so they can transfer money to them. in the end they'll lose out anyway, thus forfeiting the ISK and the real money they paid for a game they were cheating at. also, any person who joins the game HAS to have seen the occaisional "buying isk is against the rules" spam from an ISD or GM, because rookie chat is full of that because its full of ISK seller spam. I wish you had been banned completely, because making a new account is an available job to you, but forfeiting the time investment in the character, as well as being forced to pay another 15 is a far harsher lesson than afk ratting your way out of the negatives, or dumping all your expensive modules in a safespot for new character to pick up and leave you where you left off, but with the advantage of having used that billion isk on modules that then get transferred over to a new character and still cheating the system. there's a lot telling people not to buy isk, anyone else who says otherwise either cant read or is a troll. isk buyers should be banned completely, it removes the character that cheated from the game, all the modules and momney from the game, and while the isk sellers get money, banning the buyers keeps the economy from getting screwed, and keeps cheaters out. isk sellers can still make money, but the objective is at least to keep that from affecting the game, which is what taking the isk out of the game is about, but the modules bought and the cheating character should also be removed. remember, isk sellers wont have a market to sell to if their market gets nuked to hell where they belong by a GM banning their accounts for this serious act of breaking a MMO for their own amusement because they are too lazy to play the game legitimately. If you want to play the game, do ti right, if you only want to play if you get to score some massive isk by paying real money, you're fooling yourself as this game isnt for you, and you're cheating the system and you deserve to be hung upside down and **ed on, doused in gasoline and set on fire. consider the fact that he even has a negative balance, that right there says he's already spent the money on a lot of stuff. what does 1 bil isk buy you in this game? that means hes ahead of the curve, and that one bil is much easier to make when you're ahead of your peer group through cheating, even if you're in a negative balance now. I used to play a game where multiing over equipment to another character( the act of giving eq from one of your owned chars to another) would get you banned, because those were the rules. well people stopped cheating pretty fking quick. this game was one where a single piece of EQ could overpower you compared to others, so people who sucked at playing the tactical part of the game would usually cheat to get better EQ to be on even terms with excellent players, because of this rule they get banned immediately, and rightfully so. cheating to win is bull**, there should be no leniency here either. allowing players who cheated once to remain in the game with the tainted character is just as good as having done nothing at all.
Cyana Fox	Posted - 2007.10.21 06:01:00 - [71] Edited by: Cyana Fox on 21/10/2007 06:02:52 I had a buddy who bought 3bil and then went -3bil a few days later, I thought it was kind of amusing since I never liked the idea of people using RL cash to buy In-Game $$$. I came from L2 and that is what killed the game in the long run. Honest players just couldn't make it. Eve is much different, the isk is easy to come by heck I had 6bil in a years time. The GTC market is even keeping the value of isk so low that there are very few isk farmers in eve than compared to other games. This is a great game, granted people bend the rules and do screw up but at least ccp is still giving them a chance to continue playing and give them money =p and I honestly dont mind the people staying around. They have to get their character out of debt but yea, it definitely stops them from buying isk outside the gtc market and keeps players in the game, which isnt a bad thing. My advice to you Lady Disortium is to train amarr, lasers don't run out of ammo unless they are T2 or faction ^^ EDIT all you people screaming ban ban ban, i hope you know you are trying to prematurely kill this game by eliminating the player base. I'd rather have people to pvp with/against than to pve because everyone got banned at one point or another for a single mistake
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.10.21 06:03:00 - [72] Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 20/10/2007 17:04:49 Yes, you should be banned. Forever. There is a legitimate way to buy ISK (GTC), and you chose to support the ISK sellers which are destroying EVE. You are making their spamming attempts worth it. No, the problem with EVE is people like you Voogru. You continue to think that because you have an opinion, and some sort of borderline megalomaniac persuasion, that you are in any position to tell others how to play this game. You are not CCP, you have absolutely no authority over EULA enforcement, and yet you continually go out of your way to get your hands into someones elses pie. I see no problem with someone buying their way through EVE, as with most real life people who do the same, they burn out very quickly as nothing has any value to them. Lost a multi-billion dollar mothership? Whoop-de-friggin do, put the next one on my VISA. Everyone benefits from their excesses, and the only reason that CCP punishes them at all is because they didn't get their cut (which happens to be 100% or slightly less on time cards). I've never personally bought anything in a game for real life money, because my priorities are different than those who do. I do however come to the table with my opinion of whats what in one hand, and the understanding that others think and act differently in the other. As such, I base my judgements of them on how the handle themselves, and quite frankly, I'd sooner have a game full of ISK farmers going about their business and leaving me to mine than one of you (Voogru) stomping around in the background telling me that I'm not having fun like you want me to. If you read nothing else of this post, than read this: ** off, you **er.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2007.10.21 11:16:00 - [73] You have done something immoral, and got rightfully punished for it. Next time you want to cheat and destroy other people's game experience, make sure to pay CCP instead of the ISK farmers and everything will be fine. By the way, if you spend $156, your problems will go away. Just buy 4 90d GTC from absolution4u.com and set them to me for 350m each.
Pooka Caldari United Space Aillance USA	Posted - 2007.10.21 14:29:00 - [74] Edited by: Pooka on 21/10/2007 14:29:48 Originally by: Cyana Fox Edited by: Cyana Fox on 21/10/2007 06:02:52 I had a buddy who bought 3bil and then went -3bil a few days later, I thought it was kind of amusing since I never liked the idea of people using RL cash to buy In-Game $$$. I came from L2 and that is what killed the game in the long run. Honest players just couldn't make it. Eve is much different, the isk is easy to come by heck I had 6bil in a years time. The GTC market is even keeping the value of isk so low that there are very few isk farmers in eve than compared to other games. This is a great game, granted people bend the rules and do screw up but at least ccp is still giving them a chance to continue playing and give them money =p and I honestly dont mind the people staying around. They have to get their character out of debt but yea, it definitely stops them from buying isk outside the gtc market and keeps players in the game, which isnt a bad thing. My advice to you Lady Disortium is to train amarr, lasers don't run out of ammo unless they are T2 or faction ^^ EDIT all you people screaming ban ban ban, i hope you know you are trying to prematurely kill this game by eliminating the player base. I'd rather have people to pvp with/against than to pve because everyone got banned at one point or another for a single mistake "permaturely kill this game by eliminating the player base" ?? But thin it out a little for the better of the honest players, yes PROMISES MADE PROMISES KEPT IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN...TRUST NO ONE
citizen amarr33sd3g4	Posted - 2007.10.21 15:02:00 - [75] Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 20/10/2007 23:19:49 Originally by: citizen amarr33sd3g4 So after a few weeks of ratting you will have learned nothing. (real life $$$$$$$$$$$$ is gone, he has just had eve turned into a job mate) Some people enjoy ratting.
Cyana Fox	Posted - 2007.10.21 15:12:00 - [76] Originally by: Pooka Edited by: Pooka on 21/10/2007 14:29:48 "permaturely kill this game by eliminating the player base" ?? But thin it out a little for the better of the honest players, yes I'm not trying to flame or troll you,, most everyone in this game breaks rules whether they are ethical or technical where some have punishments and others don't. By thinning out, you mean banning people and saying 'no you can't play or have second chances'...you want ccp to lose money so we lose the servers sooner? By all means. I say keep'em so we can play for a little longer, but that's just my own selfish devil on my shoulder. =)
citizen amarr33sd3g4	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:17:00 - [77] Originally by: Cyana Fox Originally by: Pooka Edited by: Pooka on 21/10/2007 14:29:48 "permaturely kill this game by eliminating the player base" ?? But thin it out a little for the better of the honest players, yes I'm not trying to flame or troll you,, most everyone in this game breaks rules whether they are ethical or technical where some have punishments and others don't. By thinning out, you mean banning people and saying 'no you can't play or have second chances'...you want ccp to lose money so we lose the servers sooner? By all means. I say keep'em so we can play for a little longer, but that's just my own selfish devil on my shoulder. =) You are the monst transparent and hopelessly lost isk buyer yet. While you make it obvious that you buy isk you seem to forget the fact that those that get banned will be back each and every time. Most of the time they will learn their lesson and not buy more isk.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.21 20:44:00 - [78] Originally by: Adonis 4174 Can you transfer assets with negative money? We've established you can't convo or sell items on the market. Yes, by direct trade (if both characters are online at the same time in the same station) or via a corp hangar. Contracts are out of the question, because a deposit of 10,000 isk is required even if no isk changes hands. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Boomershoot Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2007.10.21 20:51:00 - [79] Pwnd, that's all you're a brave man admitting your bad actions or you're just following point 4, whatever ----------------------------------------------- "1, 2, 3, shuttle reprocessing is right for me"
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.21 21:16:00 - [80] Originally by: feiht'd'ero Originally by: Celvice Klein I bet 10 isk (without reading the OPs employement history) that this is an alt of some anti-isk farmer trying to warn possible customers of said farmers about the consequences. Heck, it could even be a CCP employee. I wouldnt have thought so as a CCP employee would know you have to pay a deposit when accepting a mission, when this chap says he will be missioning and ratting his way out. could just be a begger. Paying a deposit for missions depend on standing, so it is possible he don't need to do that. If you think about that, the worst punishment is that he can't buy skill books so unless he has a lot of half trained skills he will lose some training time. While a statistic of the number of accounts banned and isk sequestrated would be nice, names shouldn't be published. The comment in the first posts of this thread give a fairly good reason not to publish them: people will kill the character repeatedly, without the possibility for him to set up a clone or buy a ship. At that point banning would be more merciful than stripping the character of isk. As people get second chances for fairly serious behaviours (a good example is Ginger Magician that got his first permaban lifted as people was willing to pardon him true life threats of harm) even isk buyers have the right to a second chance. At the same time the negative wallet should be in force for all the characters on the account, so he couldn't simply delete a character and create a new one to get a "out of jail" ticket.
Plokk	Posted - 2007.10.21 21:24:00 - [81] I do respect your honesty (unlike most in game)and for coming out and admitting the said crime , and feeling remorseful.... i say you should be allowed to saty . But as long as you do not do it again . Also you are here telling others not to and the consequences . Kudos !
Phelan Lore Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.21 21:29:00 - [82] 6. Skill the character up to be a wicked pilot, then sell it to somebody. :laugh: -
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.21 21:32:00 - [83] Originally by: Major Death So CCP punish players for selling and buying isk, then give the offenders an easy way out by buying isk from CCP? Is there no word in Icelandic for hypocrisy? Thinking about it I doubt I can do it. No isk for starting convo or sending mails to costumers. Not impossible to sell GTC, but hard and fairly evident for the costumers he has a negative wallet. Would you risk buying GTC from someone with a negative wallet? I wouldn't.
Lady Disortium	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:26:00 - [84] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Originally by: Adonis 4174 Can you transfer assets with negative money? We've established you can't convo or sell items on the market. Yes, by direct trade (if both characters are online at the same time in the same station) or via a corp hangar. Contracts are out of the question, because a deposit of 10,000 isk is required even if no isk changes hands. Wrong, I can not do in station trades either.
Archa Caldari Chickens with an Attitude	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:58:00 - [85] Interesting. I believe this negative wallet syndrome is starting to work. Perhaps going after the buyers instead of the sellers isn't really fair to those people who truely want to play the game and enjoy it so much that they actually spend real money on it. However the scare tactic is terrific. I do believe that buying isk these days is alot less easy then it used to be. Hence the super cheap prices for isk these days. The legit way of buying isk by using gametime cards seem to work quite well. So why would you go for the illegal isk selling sites? Why eve goes for punishing just the buyers is very simple. They can't prove it when someone is selling something. They can't prove when a macro mining is actually macro mining. We all know it. But proving it is alot tougher than it looks. However. CCP does know who they are. Who they are linked to and where the money is going. So they simple can spot the character selling the money to various players. And after a short while they can simply remove the money from these accounts. Punishing the buyer. The buyer is severly punished and will spread the danger of buying isk. Mission accomplished. people don't want to buy isk no more:)
Asilah Na'kani Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:04:00 - [86] I just don't see why people take the risk and buy ISK through these nab spammers when there is a perfect legitimate way to do it (GTC's).
cioran wyborowa	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:44:00 - [87] Originally by: gojwer isk buyers should be banned completely I am very surprised that ccp has these policies on isk buying/selling. The game is so open, its definitely trying for "free market" principles. Sure ban macroers, no one should be alowed to play actively while afk with no consequences. But ISK buyers? As a LEGAL gtc buyer, I see nothing wrong with exchanging real money for GTC's (for all intents and purposes ISK). I make an OK living, im not a fourm troll who lives in my parents basement, mining all day. If i lose a 200mil ship, i want to be able to plunk down 15 dollars (or whatever current GTC rate is) and get a new one. The reason these black market sales of ISK are banned is purely because CCP doesnt get a cut. Thats fine, thats their game, gotta play by the rules, but dont get on your high horse trying to make a moral statement about ISK buying. There is a very nice LEGAL gtc system for buying isk. To make the claim that all ISK buyers should be banned is ridiculous. Real cheating is what goes on with corporations like bob. Save your outrage for them.
Sky Grunthor Minmatar Core Element	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:12:00 - [88] Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 20/10/2007 17:19:55 Originally by: Celvice Klein I bet 10 isk (without reading the OPs employement history) that this is an alt of some anti-isk farmer trying to warn possible customers of said farmers about the consequences. Heck, it could even be a CCP employee. If he submits his character to my api tool it will expose a negative wallet. http://www.voogru.com/characters Quote: I think that should actually be the terms CCP gives someone when they remove their isk. They cannot buy GTCs, and they must announce their infraction on the forums if they want to stay in eve. Otherwise boot em. I think there should be name and shame. I'd recomend in-eve over this tbh. Don't know this site so don't trust it. That being said. doesn't mean it isn't legit. Search: Sky Grunthor
Savesti Kyrsst Minmatar White-Noise Skunk-Works	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:32:00 - [89] Mad props for ~~bringing it~~ posting here. Punishment deserved, now you're trying to give something back by being hopelessly ~~flamed~~ honest about the consequences here.
Bralstov	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:36:00 - [90] CCP Should ban your account withtout warning. They are way too kind. Hope you will quit eve soon.

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