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Lady Disortium	Posted - 2007.10.20 16:58:00 - [1] I an the one, becuase by judging by everyones attitude no one else has done this. This is a cautionary tale. I bought 1.5b isk a couple of weeks ago and was merrily ploding along and playing my game. I logged on a few days ago to a -1.34b isk wallet (I bought some goodies with the isk). Now I can not initiate convo's, I can not do in station trades, I can not put anything on the market. Be warned that if you decide to buy isk the consequences are kinda hard to deal with and you will be left with 5 options. 1. buy GTC's to bring your wallet back to a positive level. 2. reroll your character 3. mission and rat until you have a positive wallet (keep in mind ammo is going to be a problem) 4. quit eve 5. hope your friends and corpmates will bail you out I know, I am a terrible person and you are all doing the lmao/rofl thing and that is fine. I have elected to mission and rat my way out of it but that isnt the point here, DONT BUY ISK is the point. The consequenses arent worth the shiney new toys.
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.20 16:59:00 - [2] Edited by: DubanFP on 20/10/2007 16:58:55 You are either a brave man to admit it, or a very foolish one. ___________ Desolacer> Who the heck gives YOU the right to ruin it for others buy blowing them up. Zaqar> CCP
darklegionca Caldari OrdoDraconis Dark Matter Empire	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:01:00 - [3] Originally by: Lady Disortium I an the one, becuase by judging by everyones attitude no one else has done this. This is a cautionary tale. I bought 1.5b isk a couple of weeks ago and was merrily ploding along and playing my game. I logged on a few days ago to a -1.34b isk wallet (I bought some goodies with the isk). Now I can not initiate convo's, I can not do in station trades, I can not put anything on the market. Be warned that if you decide to buy isk the consequences are kinda hard to deal with and you will be left with 5 options. 1. buy GTC's to bring your wallet back to a positive level. 2. reroll your character 3. mission and rat until you have a positive wallet (keep in mind ammo is going to be a problem) 4. quit eve 5. hope your friends and corpmates will bail you out I know, I am a terrible person and you are all doing the lmao/rofl thing and that is fine. I have elected to mission and rat my way out of it but that isnt the point here, DONT BUY ISK is the point. The consequenses arent worth the shiney new toys. any corp that would bail you out would be the most ******** corp ever you should be banned for buying isk ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend.
maCH'EttE Veto.	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:01:00 - [4] You're lucky you didn't get banned, TBH. Personally, I think you should be. Originally by: Devil Hanzo (ISD) I got pwned!
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:03:00 - [5] You bought ISK, you deserve to be banned with no compensation. It is clearly against the EULA (or maybe it's the TOS, can't remember), it breaks the game economy, and it's really wimpy to do. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:04:00 - [6] Edited by: voogru on 20/10/2007 17:04:49 Yes, you should be banned. Forever. There is a legitimate way to buy ISK (GTC), and you chose to support the ISK sellers which are destroying EVE. You are making their spamming attempts worth it. I'm dangerous! Watch out!
darklegionca Caldari OrdoDraconis Dark Matter Empire	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:11:00 - [7] i say if anyone sees him he should be KOS ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend.
Celvice Klein Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:12:00 - [8] I bet 10 isk (without reading the OPs employement history) that this is an alt of some anti-isk farmer trying to warn possible customers of said farmers about the consequences. Heck, it could even be a CCP employee.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:13:00 - [9] Imz da alt in da op I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
Krystal Vernet Minmatar Midnight Captains	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:14:00 - [10] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 20/10/2007 16:58:55 You are either a brave man to admit it, or a very foolish one. This.
E Vile Fifth Exiled Legion SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:17:00 - [11] Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 20/10/2007 17:04:49 Yes, you should be banned. Forever. There is a legitimate way to buy ISK (GTC), and you chose to support the ISK sellers which are destroying EVE. You are making their spamming attempts worth it. Well the gtc selling thing don't help the game. Looks like ccp punished him that way. What's messed up is watching the last tournament I kept seeing isk selling websites adds. WTF ccp you advertise something on your site that will get you banned from game? How are people supposed to know it's wrong when YOU ADVERTISE IT!
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:17:00 - [12] You guys are a bunch of asses. He had no obligation to tell us anything, yet he did. He did the crime, now he is going to do the time. I personally appreciate the openness he has shown, as it may help to deter others from buying isk from the illegal sellers. Just purely based on the fact that he sold isk but came here to announce his mistake I say he should get a second chance, as he understands what he did wrong and now instead of buying his way out of it he is owning up to his punishment. I think that should actually be the terms CCP gives someone when they remove their isk. They cannot buy GTCs, and they must announce their infraction on the forums if they want to stay in eve. Otherwise boot em.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:18:00 - [13] Edited by: voogru on 20/10/2007 17:19:55 Originally by: Celvice Klein I bet 10 isk (without reading the OPs employement history) that this is an alt of some anti-isk farmer trying to warn possible customers of said farmers about the consequences. Heck, it could even be a CCP employee. If he submits his character to my api tool it will expose a negative wallet. http://www.voogru.com/characters Quote: I think that should actually be the terms CCP gives someone when they remove their isk. They cannot buy GTCs, and they must announce their infraction on the forums if they want to stay in eve. Otherwise boot em. I think there should be name and shame. I'm dangerous! Watch out!
Nadjar WING MAN INC	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:19:00 - [14] lol _____________ No sig here, move along.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:19:00 - [15] Originally by: E Vile Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 20/10/2007 17:04:49 Yes, you should be banned. Forever. There is a legitimate way to buy ISK (GTC), and you chose to support the ISK sellers which are destroying EVE. You are making their spamming attempts worth it. Well the gtc selling thing don't help the game. Looks like ccp punished him that way. What's messed up is watching the last tournament I kept seeing isk selling websites adds. WTF ccp you advertise something on your site that will get you banned from game? How are people supposed to know it's wrong when YOU ADVERTISE IT! CCP didn't host the videos numbnuts I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:21:00 - [16] Announcement was made by State War Academy alt, does that count? Regardless, Im just glad we didnt get another "Hai guys, wear all my isk go. lol." Thread. If op is speaking truths, gj owning up to it (sorta). If OP is speaker of LIES, well, carry on.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:23:00 - [17] Quote: He had no obligation to tell us anything, yet he did. He did the crime, now he is going to do the time. I personally appreciate the openness he has shown, as it may help to deter others from buying isk from the illegal sellers. Hah, he'll probably transfer assets to a new character, pocket the proceeds from the sales and reroll the character. 1.5B isk is a lot for a 2 month old char and it may just be worth re-rolling. I'm dangerous! Watch out!
Snake Doctor Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:26:00 - [18] Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 20/10/2007 17:04:49 Yes, you should be banned. Forever. There is a legitimate way to buy ISK (GTC), and you chose to support the ISK sellers which are destroying EVE. You are making their spamming attempts worth it. Voogru's back! Where've you been man?!? Rifter Flight Manual!
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:27:00 - [19] Edited by: shinsushi on 20/10/2007 17:28:04 Originally by: voogru Quote: He had no obligation to tell us anything, yet he did. He did the crime, now he is going to do the time. I personally appreciate the openness he has shown, as it may help to deter others from buying isk from the illegal sellers. Hah, he'll probably transfer assets to a new character, pocket the proceeds from the sales and reroll the character. 1.5B isk is a lot for a 2 month old char and it may just be worth re-rolling. I don't know about that. Do you think (honest question here) that CCP doesn't monitor the accounts from that point forward to make sure this isn't the case? Also, it would be nice if CCP sent out a monthly blotter report detailing the amount of isk seized and accounts banned thru this process.... I mean that isk had to come from somewhere. IP bans should be imminent.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:31:00 - [20] Edited by: voogru on 20/10/2007 17:32:01 Originally by: Snake Doctor Voogru's back! Where've you been man?!? No, I'm not back. I'm just on the forums posting in threads related to farmers to further my agenda against farmers to maybe encourage CCP to become a little bit more proactive in ridding them from the game. I won't play EVE until I see farmers getting dealt with, and my accounts are timecoded up for years, so I might as well try to improve EVE. Originally by: shinsushi I don't know about that. Do you think (honest question here) that CCP doesn't monitor the accounts from that point forward to make sure this isn't the case? If they had the manpower to do that, they'd have the manpower to just ban farmers left and right. We wouldn't see them farming for months and months and months. That is why I favor a ban instead of negative wallets. I'm dangerous! Watch out!
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:33:00 - [21] Can you transfer assets with negative money? We've established you can't convo or sell items on the market. ----- Visible Implants - good for so many occasions
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:36:00 - [22] Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 20/10/2007 17:32:01 Originally by: Snake Doctor Voogru's back! Where've you been man?!? No, I'm not back. I'm just on the forums posting in threads related to farmers to further my agenda against farmers to maybe encourage CCP to become a little bit more proactive in ridding them from the game. I won't play EVE until I see farmers getting dealt with, and my accounts are timecoded up for years, so I might as well try to improve EVE. Originally by: shinsushi I don't know about that. Do you think (honest question here) that CCP doesn't monitor the accounts from that point forward to make sure this isn't the case? If they had the manpower to do that, they'd have the manpower to just ban farmers left and right. We wouldn't see them farming for months and months and months. That is why I favor a ban instead of negative wallets. Oh... yeah maybe you have a point. You wanna know how to instigate change? Same why those damn hippies did it in the 60s... get this information out there.
feiht'd'ero	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Celvice Klein I bet 10 isk (without reading the OPs employement history) that this is an alt of some anti-isk farmer trying to warn possible customers of said farmers about the consequences. Heck, it could even be a CCP employee. I wouldnt have thought so as a CCP employee would know you have to pay a deposit when accepting a mission, when this chap says he will be missioning and ratting his way out. could just be a begger.
Lady Disortium	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:40:00 - [24] Yes this is an alt It happened to my main I am not rerolling my main I am missioning and ratting until my wallet is in the black again. I will not buy GTC's to get out of this and I bought isk, I did not sell isk. I did not post this for anyones entertainment but as a cautionary tale to those who have considered buying isk from sources outside ccp.
Faith Black Minmatar Rolls Roids	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:40:00 - [25] Originally by: Lady Disortium Be warned that if you decide to buy isk the consequences are kinda hard to deal with and you will be left with 5 options. 1. buy GTC's to bring your wallet back to a positive level. This is actually quite ironic. Sorry.
Maltere Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:43:00 - [26] at the end of the day, he didnt mureder someone, he bought isk. Theres a fine line between buying isk and selling time codes, and i bet there are people in here lsating this guy when they have sold the odd time code themselves. no i say, lesson learned, much better than a ban
Occara	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:44:00 - [27] Originally by: feiht'd'ero Originally by: Celvice Klein I bet 10 isk (without reading the OPs employement history) that this is an alt of some anti-isk farmer trying to warn possible customers of said farmers about the consequences. Heck, it could even be a CCP employee. I wouldnt have thought so as a CCP employee would know you have to pay a deposit when accepting a mission, when this chap says he will be missioning and ratting his way out. could just be a begger. This is wrong for everything but courier missions. since the original poster mentioned ratting, it is obviously a combat character. Therefore missioning would be combat missions ;)
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.20 18:27:00 - [28] Hahahahahaha ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.10.20 18:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Lady Disortium I an the one, becuase by judging by everyones attitude no one else has done this. This is a cautionary tale. I bought 1.5b isk a couple of weeks ago and was merrily ploding along and playing my game. I logged on a few days ago to a -1.34b isk wallet (I bought some goodies with the isk). Now I can not initiate convo's, I can not do in station trades, I can not put anything on the market. Be warned that if you decide to buy isk the consequences are kinda hard to deal with and you will be left with 5 options. 1. buy GTC's to bring your wallet back to a positive level. 2. reroll your character 3. mission and rat until you have a positive wallet (keep in mind ammo is going to be a problem) 4. quit eve 5. hope your friends and corpmates will bail you out I know, I am a terrible person and you are all doing the lmao/rofl thing and that is fine. I have elected to mission and rat my way out of it but that isnt the point here, DONT BUY ISK is the point. The consequenses arent worth the shiney new toys. i admire your honesty, yet i do not feel sorry for what has happened to you --------------------------- ALL HAIL TO THE TECHNOVIKING forum warrior in training unofficial forum @$$hole
Supi	Posted - 2007.10.20 18:49:00 - [30] This is stupid. Going after individual buyers, the people who like the game enough to spend more of their own money on the games fake currency, when you have whole corporations full of people who are obvious ISK farmers is ******* mind boggling. Taking queue from the US war on drugs?
PrettyGirlsMakeGraves	Posted - 2007.10.20 18:56:00 - [31] YOU SHOULD BE PERMA-BANNED and YOUR PERSONAL INFO SHOWN FOR ALL TO SHAME.
Jacque DeCoure	Posted - 2007.10.20 19:14:00 - [32] Originally by: Supi This is stupid. Going after individual buyers, the people who like the game enough to spend more of their own money on the games fake currency, when you have whole corporations full of people who are obvious ISK farmers is ******* mind boggling. Taking queue from the US war on drugs? Wrong. In this case it isn't comparable to the War on Drug Users - it is closer to an attempt (by most countries) to discourage a Black Market Economy. A player who wished to purchase Isk can just Purchase GTC's and then sell them for ISK easy enough - much different from a US Citizen who wished to smoke a joint legally.
Dax Jarvanus Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.10.20 19:16:00 - [33] yes buying isk is lame. But, true, going after the buyers is pointless, because, in reality, these are just people looking for a different kind of shortcut, which may still be cheating, but buying the isk is alot less of an infraction than selling it IMHO. Anyway, this whole thread reminds of people in jail. They're always the dumb ones, cause they're the ones that got caught. It always made me laugh when people in jail act tough, cause its like, "Ok, tough guy, but you're still a bonehead cause YOU GOT CAUGHT!!!". Anyway, kudos for being honest and willing to share your experience. I also think that after all is said and done, for how long this type of thing has been going on, people that get caught now should probably be banned. I mean, we all know better by NOW, right? DONT BUY ISK!!! EARN IT, or STEAL IT (bu stealing ore, maybe?), just don't buy it.
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.20 19:33:00 - [34] Originally by: Lady Disortium I am missioning and ratting until my wallet is in the black again. Isn't it usually called "in the green"? ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
citizen amarr33sd3g4	Posted - 2007.10.20 19:42:00 - [35] So after a few weeks of ratting you will have learned nothing.
Skraeling Shortbus Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.20 20:08:00 - [36] Originally by: Lady Disortium insert lots of fail here. Short answer "DUH". Long answer "LOTS OF DUH" Love to the Assault Frigate!
Ethan Bejorn Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.10.20 20:12:00 - [37] Same thing happened to me, but the difference is I did not buy ISK. I have 1 billion ISK removed from my main's account and now he is at -827m and is the CEO of a large corporation. I don't know what I did that makes them think I bought ISK, but they say I sold an item to an ISK seller and they have revered all of his transactions. I can't even update my clone at this point and will lose skill points if I am to get podded. I would think that busting the ISK sellers would be the answer, but I guess CCP wants to punish their long time paying customers for their ignorance.
Lemptie Gallente Glass House	Posted - 2007.10.20 20:20:00 - [38] I wanna thank all the isk buyers,for the isk sellers spam on all public channels.i wanna bet you will see them soon on all forums also . Thank you isk buyer,that eve is looking day by day a bit more like WoW.
Valea Wrath Of Khaine	Posted - 2007.10.20 20:22:00 - [39] Shame on you for buying directly! This is totally unfair, people with more cash should not have an advantage at eve. This is why game time cards are a totally fair altern-oh wait...
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.10.20 20:24:00 - [40] Originally by: Valea Shame on you for buying directly! This is totally unfair, people with more cash should not have an advantage at eve. This is why game time cards are a totally fair altern-oh wait... QFT. Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated [PIA] Recruitment Thread
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.20 20:29:00 - [41] Originally by: Ethan Bejorn Same thing happened to me, but the difference is I did not buy ISK. I have 1 billion ISK removed from my main's account and now he is at -827m and is the CEO of a large corporation. I don't know what I did that makes them think I bought ISK, but they say I sold an item to an ISK seller and they have revered all of his transactions. I can't even update my clone at this point and will lose skill points if I am to get podded. I would think that busting the ISK sellers would be the answer, but I guess CCP wants to punish their long time paying customers for their ignorance. [ ] Can I have your stuff? [ ] Go back to WoW. [X] Hello Kitty >>> That way. [ ] It's a Templar, an Amarr fighter. [X] STFU [X] Post with your main [ ] . [ ] Signed! [ ] Bump [X] /fail [ ] (Kitten thumbnail) [X] No one cares [ ] Tarminic needs a job. [ ] Capital ships are not solo 'pwnmobiles. [ ] Big shiny ships take big shiny SP totals. [ ] Erm... what? [ ] Nanoships are not really gods. [ ] No, for god's sake you can't get a <insert rare ship here> [X] Ebayer [ ] WINS TEH TOPIC! [ ] Wins EVE [ ] /approve [ ] Needs new Hampsters [X] Flame ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
Cipher7 OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.20 20:30:00 - [42] You bought Isk from farmers. In pennance for your crime, you must buy Isk from CCP.
Bella Oxmyx	Posted - 2007.10.20 21:24:00 - [43] How the heck is a new player to know that buying ISK isn't cool? The first thing you see is the spam on the rookie channel, *right in the game*! The Eula? Who reads the Eula? Prior to Eve, the only MMORPG I'd played was Second Life, where buying stuff off site was part of the fun, and encouraged. The way I got clued in that it was a no-no was by talking to a guy in a game store who was a long time player. Shouldn't CCP put it in the tutorial or something? Or maybe it's me, maybe I'm a little F'd up maybe...
Teraos Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.10.20 21:30:00 - [44] Your lucky you didnt get banned...
Ebodhisatva Gallente hunter killers	Posted - 2007.10.20 21:38:00 - [45] Originally by: Lady Disortium I an the one, becuase by judging by everyones attitude no one else has done this. This is a cautionary tale. I bought 1.5b isk a couple of weeks ago and was merrily ploding along and playing my game. I logged on a few days ago to a -1.34b isk wallet (I bought some goodies with the isk). Now I can not initiate convo's, I can not do in station trades, I can not put anything on the market. Be warned that if you decide to buy isk the consequences are kinda hard to deal with and you will be left with 5 options. 1. buy GTC's to bring your wallet back to a positive level. 2. reroll your character 3. mission and rat until you have a positive wallet (keep in mind ammo is going to be a problem) 4. quit eve 5. hope your friends and corpmates will bail you out I know, I am a terrible person and you are all doing the lmao/rofl thing and that is fine. I have elected to mission and rat my way out of it but that isnt the point here, DONT BUY ISK is the point. The consequenses arent worth the shiney new toys. You are a CCP member to check the moral issue's on this matter, PROPS for you m8, now get back to work Originally by: CCP Prism X You wont have any LPs. You need LPs with said Corp and like I said I just nuked your LPs.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.20 21:47:00 - [46] Originally by: Lady Disortium I an the one, becuase by judging by everyones attitude no one else has done this. This is a cautionary tale. I bought 1.5b isk a couple of weeks ago and was merrily ploding along and playing my game. I logged on a few days ago to a -1.34b isk wallet (I bought some goodies with the isk). Now I can not initiate convo's, I can not do in station trades, I can not put anything on the market. Be warned that if you decide to buy isk the consequences are kinda hard to deal with and you will be left with 5 options. 1. buy GTC's to bring your wallet back to a positive level. 2. reroll your character 3. mission and rat until you have a positive wallet (keep in mind ammo is going to be a problem) 4. quit eve 5. hope your friends and corpmates will bail you out I know, I am a terrible person and you are all doing the lmao/rofl thing and that is fine. I have elected to mission and rat my way out of it but that isnt the point here, DONT BUY ISK is the point. The consequenses arent worth the shiney new toys. Normally I would be in favour of banning ISK buyers, but since you have been good enough to admit that you were wrong (even if it was only because you got caught), I'll just say thank you for publicising the fact that ISK buyers DO get caught and DO get punished. By doing this, you help undo some of the harm you have caused. I hope your corpmates will give you enough ammo to help you honestly restore your ISK balance. It shouldn't take all that long if you can 0.0 rat or run L4s. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.20 21:49:00 - [47] Originally by: Dax Jarvanus yes buying isk is lame. But, true, going after the buyers is pointless, because, in reality, these are just people looking for a different kind of shortcut, which may still be cheating, but buying the isk is alot less of an infraction than selling it IMHO. Anyway, this whole thread reminds of people in jail. They're always the dumb ones, cause they're the ones that got caught. It always made me laugh when people in jail act tough, cause its like, "Ok, tough guy, but you're still a bonehead cause YOU GOT CAUGHT!!!". Anyway, kudos for being honest and willing to share your experience. I also think that after all is said and done, for how long this type of thing has been going on, people that get caught now should probably be banned. I mean, we all know better by NOW, right? DONT BUY ISK!!! EARN IT, or STEAL IT (bu stealing ore, maybe?), just don't buy it. You're wrong. Going after the buyers is the ONLY way to stop this problem. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.10.20 22:24:00 - [48] Originally by: Acoco Osiris Originally by: Lady Disortium I am missioning and ratting until my wallet is in the black again. Isn't it usually called "in the green"? Not in the UK certainly. Your balance used to get printed in red or black depending which side of zero it was. Probably another practice to fall by the wayside courtesy of the colourblind but the term remains. ----- Visible Implants - good for so many occasions
Major Death Caldari Space Salvage Incorperated	Posted - 2007.10.20 22:34:00 - [49] Quote: You're wrong. Going after the buyers is the ONLY way to stop this problem. Probably right, as long as there is a market there will be isk sellers. However until the buyers get wiped out, the isk sellers are hurting the people caught in the middle, so measures need to be taken against the sellers as well. Quote: Be warned that if you decide to buy isk the consequences are kinda hard to deal with and you will be left with 5 options. 1. buy GTC's to bring your wallet back to a positive level. So CCP punish players for selling and buying isk, then give the offenders an easy way out by buying isk from CCP? Is there no word in Icelandic for hypocrisy? My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;)
Chr0nosX Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.20 22:41:00 - [50] Stupid thing to have done tbh. Though GTCs are almost as bad.
Toria Nynys Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.20 22:44:00 - [51] You guys don't get it, do you. CCP supports ISK for GTC sales to combat ISK for $. They know that people will spend $ to get an advantage in game so they provide an out that doens't encourage massive farming ops overseas. The GTC sale proceeds go directly to the company providing you this game instead of the pocket of some sleazebag with roomfuls of starving farmers slaving away 23 hours a day. People can do the math on working an extra hour at a fast food joint vs. ratting for a month. They will be tempted to take shortcuts every so often. Hate it or loathe it, it's life. At least CCP has a creative solution to the problem that benefits the game (more development $) rather than harming it (massive and ever increasing farmer presence).
Major Death Caldari Space Salvage Incorperated	Posted - 2007.10.20 22:48:00 - [52] Edited by: Major Death on 20/10/2007 22:47:53 Quote: They know that people will spend $ to get an advantage in game so they provide an out that doens't encourage massive farming ops overseas. The GTC sale proceeds go directly to the company providing you this game instead of the pocket of some sleazebag with roomfuls of starving farmers slaving away 23 hours a day. The problem is more that people who buy isk are allowed to dig themselves out of the hole by buying more isk, instead of having their character deleted. Its a pointless punishment. Plus ISK sales, no matter what the source, hurt non-isk buying customers. My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;)
Ed Anger Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.10.20 22:51:00 - [53] CCP please block any use of the term WoW from now on, for everyone's sanity.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.20 23:18:00 - [54] Edited by: MotherMoon on 20/10/2007 23:19:49 Originally by: citizen amarr33sd3g4 So after a few weeks of ratting you will have learned nothing. (real life $$$$$$$$$$$$ is gone, he has just had eve turned into a job mate) ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.20 23:19:00 - [55] Originally by: Major Death Quote: You're wrong. Going after the buyers is the ONLY way to stop this problem. Probably right, as long as there is a market there will be isk sellers. However until the buyers get wiped out, the isk sellers are hurting the people caught in the middle, so measures need to be taken against the sellers as well. Quote: Be warned that if you decide to buy isk the consequences are kinda hard to deal with and you will be left with 5 options. 1. buy GTC's to bring your wallet back to a positive level. So CCP punish players for selling and buying isk, then give the offenders an easy way out by buying isk from CCP? Is there no word in Icelandic for hypocrisy? not really, if you do it again, it's a ban no matter what. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Sir Trinks	Posted - 2007.10.20 23:25:00 - [56] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 20/10/2007 16:58:55 You are either a brave man to admit it, or a very foolish one. this.isTrue(true);
Roast Bifcurtains	Posted - 2007.10.20 23:40:00 - [57] Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 20/10/2007 17:32:01 Originally by: Snake Doctor Voogru's back! Where've you been man?!? No, I'm not back. I'm just on the forums posting in threads related to farmers to further my agenda against farmers to maybe encourage CCP to become a little bit more proactive in ridding them from the game. Lol! He's so self righteous he's willing to pay for an account just to protest. Voogru should get a golden mall cop trophy or somefink. \/ ================================================ Endless Love
DHB WildCat 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.10.20 23:54:00 - [58] The punishment you recieved is just. I bet you dont do it agian 8). Dont listen to the omg ban him babies. The lesson was learned, the punishment hard, and the ability to inform the public about what will happen beneficial. As I frown and scoled you on the isk buying, I apload your courage to admit the fault. Learn from it, and trust me. The shiney toys are not worth it. 8)
Fuazzole	Posted - 2007.10.21 00:51:00 - [59] Edited by: Fuazzole on 21/10/2007 00:52:26 That's not all the consequenses, your only counting what happend to you, you forgot that you just... Funded terrorism, now some one in a Rogue state like North Korea, America or Irac now has the funds to slap together a bomb. Also thier would be no <in-game-money> farmers if their were no custormers, and their will always be the "I learn by doing"
Terex193 Amarr Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.10.21 01:20:00 - [60] this post is merely a warning,DONT BUY ISK! buy gtcs snip Sig contains inappropriate words. - hutch O come on its Censored! A dev called me a Forum Warrior :)
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.21 01:23:00 - [61] Originally by: maCH'EttE You're lucky you didn't get banned, TBH. Personally, I think you should be. Dude, I bust out laughing at your sig pic. That thing is hilarious beyond description. ----------- Support fixing the EVE UI
Aphotic Raven Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.10.21 01:29:00 - [62] Originally by: Celvice Klein I bet 10 isk (without reading the OPs employement history) that this is an alt of some anti-isk farmer trying to warn possible customers of said farmers about the consequences. Heck, it could even be a CCP employee. My guess is the alt of a major GTC seller... Isk farmers are good for eve (in 0.0 where you can hunt them), its stabbed/cloaking/logging ravens that are bad Originally by: Dr Cupid Let me tell you all that I'm really enjoying eve-beta, and can't wait for the real game to come out!
MindDragon Caldari The Flaming Sideburn's	Posted - 2007.10.21 02:08:00 - [63] Ways of fixing the isk sellers 1) Within chat and forums scan for the keywords and known domain names and email addresses. 2) Add a report post / report isk seller button that sends the associated chat logs directly to a forum admin or in game admin that can then ban those accounts. 3) In game, they have to pay for those accounts anyway, even on a "free trial" they provide credit card details. Charge the card and close the account -- modify the EULA if you have to that states that ISK sellers will have to pay for one month of service and have the account locked. Add a routine that monitors new sign ups for those credit card / address details. 4) Provide bounties (say 25 million isk) for anyone that reports a verified ISK seller account. I'm sure there's many more ideas...those are just a few to start with. ------ This space for rent.
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.21 02:13:00 - [64] Originally by: Celvice Klein I bet 10 isk (without reading the OPs employement history) that this is an alt of some anti-isk farmer trying to warn possible customers of said farmers about the consequences. Heck, it could even be a CCP employee. and maybe not I know along time friend in eve who quit recently cause he ended up like this worst still was he had enough assets to get himself out of trouble but I guess he must have felt ashamed, but he was a billion in negative. Join The Fight With Promo Today
Wigglytuff Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.21 03:52:00 - [65] Originally by: Lady Disortium 2. reroll your character Just don't cheat (again) by using loaded dice that always give you 18s. I'd have probably banned your account forever for buying isk.
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.10.21 04:21:00 - [66] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 20/10/2007 16:58:55 You are either a brave man to admit it, or a very foolish one. QFT - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online
Kon sama	Posted - 2007.10.21 04:37:00 - [67] guy i know got banned for the so called "isk buying" what happened is some welknown isk seller(ccp if you know he is an isk seller why do you not ban him) sent isk to his account. This guy i know was a billionair already and certainly didnt need to buy isk. and he didnt get the billiones from buying isk either. he got it from doing cosmos and mining. but becoz the isk seller sent isk to his account,(accident or set up by other people) he got banned. wich is pretty *** coz he certainly did not buy isk. And no it isnt my alt Anyway this little mistake is costing him iskies though. from not being able to mine or farm cosmos or whatever. CCP are investigating this now. What i am interested in knowing is if CCP does find out it was a mistake and unban him. What will CCP do to make of for his lost play time, his payed account and him not able to make money?
Rilder Caldari THC LTD Dogs of War.	Posted - 2007.10.21 05:05:00 - [68] Originally by: DHB WildCat The punishment you recieved is just. I bet you dont do it agian 8). Dont listen to the omg ban him babies. The lesson was learned, the punishment hard, and the ability to inform the public about what will happen beneficial. As I frown and scoled you on the isk buying, I apload your courage to admit the fault. Learn from it, and trust me. The shiney toys are not worth it. 8) This. --
Pieter Patrick	Posted - 2007.10.21 05:37:00 - [69] You can always contact me in game if you really need ammo.
gojwer	Posted - 2007.10.21 05:39:00 - [70] Edited by: gojwer on 21/10/2007 05:44:40 Edited by: gojwer on 21/10/2007 05:40:03 since isk farmers can get around bans by proxies and using rotating IP ISPs (think AOL dialup, shouldnt be too hard to afk mine on that), the only recourse is to go after buyers. buyers themselves are showing low standards in buying isk from a group that is completely unaffiliated with CCP. every day theres ads for isk buying and none of the URLs are even close to anything like something legitimate from CCP. so you're saying you're giving money to a third party, and that means CCP probably isnt going to see any of it. that right there should be the tipoff its a bad idea. then theres the fact that accounts get hacked by giving these people their account info so they can transfer money to them. in the end they'll lose out anyway, thus forfeiting the ISK and the real money they paid for a game they were cheating at. also, any person who joins the game HAS to have seen the occaisional "buying isk is against the rules" spam from an ISD or GM, because rookie chat is full of that because its full of ISK seller spam. I wish you had been banned completely, because making a new account is an available job to you, but forfeiting the time investment in the character, as well as being forced to pay another 15 is a far harsher lesson than afk ratting your way out of the negatives, or dumping all your expensive modules in a safespot for new character to pick up and leave you where you left off, but with the advantage of having used that billion isk on modules that then get transferred over to a new character and still cheating the system. there's a lot telling people not to buy isk, anyone else who says otherwise either cant read or is a troll. isk buyers should be banned completely, it removes the character that cheated from the game, all the modules and momney from the game, and while the isk sellers get money, banning the buyers keeps the economy from getting screwed, and keeps cheaters out. isk sellers can still make money, but the objective is at least to keep that from affecting the game, which is what taking the isk out of the game is about, but the modules bought and the cheating character should also be removed. remember, isk sellers wont have a market to sell to if their market gets nuked to hell where they belong by a GM banning their accounts for this serious act of breaking a MMO for their own amusement because they are too lazy to play the game legitimately. If you want to play the game, do ti right, if you only want to play if you get to score some massive isk by paying real money, you're fooling yourself as this game isnt for you, and you're cheating the system and you deserve to be hung upside down and **ed on, doused in gasoline and set on fire. consider the fact that he even has a negative balance, that right there says he's already spent the money on a lot of stuff. what does 1 bil isk buy you in this game? that means hes ahead of the curve, and that one bil is much easier to make when you're ahead of your peer group through cheating, even if you're in a negative balance now. I used to play a game where multiing over equipment to another character( the act of giving eq from one of your owned chars to another) would get you banned, because those were the rules. well people stopped cheating pretty fking quick. this game was one where a single piece of EQ could overpower you compared to others, so people who sucked at playing the tactical part of the game would usually cheat to get better EQ to be on even terms with excellent players, because of this rule they get banned immediately, and rightfully so. cheating to win is bull**, there should be no leniency here either. allowing players who cheated once to remain in the game with the tainted character is just as good as having done nothing at all.
Cyana Fox	Posted - 2007.10.21 06:01:00 - [71] Edited by: Cyana Fox on 21/10/2007 06:02:52 I had a buddy who bought 3bil and then went -3bil a few days later, I thought it was kind of amusing since I never liked the idea of people using RL cash to buy In-Game $$$. I came from L2 and that is what killed the game in the long run. Honest players just couldn't make it. Eve is much different, the isk is easy to come by heck I had 6bil in a years time. The GTC market is even keeping the value of isk so low that there are very few isk farmers in eve than compared to other games. This is a great game, granted people bend the rules and do screw up but at least ccp is still giving them a chance to continue playing and give them money =p and I honestly dont mind the people staying around. They have to get their character out of debt but yea, it definitely stops them from buying isk outside the gtc market and keeps players in the game, which isnt a bad thing. My advice to you Lady Disortium is to train amarr, lasers don't run out of ammo unless they are T2 or faction ^^ EDIT all you people screaming ban ban ban, i hope you know you are trying to prematurely kill this game by eliminating the player base. I'd rather have people to pvp with/against than to pve because everyone got banned at one point or another for a single mistake
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.10.21 06:03:00 - [72] Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 20/10/2007 17:04:49 Yes, you should be banned. Forever. There is a legitimate way to buy ISK (GTC), and you chose to support the ISK sellers which are destroying EVE. You are making their spamming attempts worth it. No, the problem with EVE is people like you Voogru. You continue to think that because you have an opinion, and some sort of borderline megalomaniac persuasion, that you are in any position to tell others how to play this game. You are not CCP, you have absolutely no authority over EULA enforcement, and yet you continually go out of your way to get your hands into someones elses pie. I see no problem with someone buying their way through EVE, as with most real life people who do the same, they burn out very quickly as nothing has any value to them. Lost a multi-billion dollar mothership? Whoop-de-friggin do, put the next one on my VISA. Everyone benefits from their excesses, and the only reason that CCP punishes them at all is because they didn't get their cut (which happens to be 100% or slightly less on time cards). I've never personally bought anything in a game for real life money, because my priorities are different than those who do. I do however come to the table with my opinion of whats what in one hand, and the understanding that others think and act differently in the other. As such, I base my judgements of them on how the handle themselves, and quite frankly, I'd sooner have a game full of ISK farmers going about their business and leaving me to mine than one of you (Voogru) stomping around in the background telling me that I'm not having fun like you want me to. If you read nothing else of this post, than read this: ** off, you **er.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2007.10.21 11:16:00 - [73] You have done something immoral, and got rightfully punished for it. Next time you want to cheat and destroy other people's game experience, make sure to pay CCP instead of the ISK farmers and everything will be fine. By the way, if you spend $156, your problems will go away. Just buy 4 90d GTC from absolution4u.com and set them to me for 350m each.
Pooka Caldari United Space Aillance USA	Posted - 2007.10.21 14:29:00 - [74] Edited by: Pooka on 21/10/2007 14:29:48 Originally by: Cyana Fox Edited by: Cyana Fox on 21/10/2007 06:02:52 I had a buddy who bought 3bil and then went -3bil a few days later, I thought it was kind of amusing since I never liked the idea of people using RL cash to buy In-Game $$$. I came from L2 and that is what killed the game in the long run. Honest players just couldn't make it. Eve is much different, the isk is easy to come by heck I had 6bil in a years time. The GTC market is even keeping the value of isk so low that there are very few isk farmers in eve than compared to other games. This is a great game, granted people bend the rules and do screw up but at least ccp is still giving them a chance to continue playing and give them money =p and I honestly dont mind the people staying around. They have to get their character out of debt but yea, it definitely stops them from buying isk outside the gtc market and keeps players in the game, which isnt a bad thing. My advice to you Lady Disortium is to train amarr, lasers don't run out of ammo unless they are T2 or faction ^^ EDIT all you people screaming ban ban ban, i hope you know you are trying to prematurely kill this game by eliminating the player base. I'd rather have people to pvp with/against than to pve because everyone got banned at one point or another for a single mistake "permaturely kill this game by eliminating the player base" ?? But thin it out a little for the better of the honest players, yes PROMISES MADE PROMISES KEPT IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN...TRUST NO ONE
citizen amarr33sd3g4	Posted - 2007.10.21 15:02:00 - [75] Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 20/10/2007 23:19:49 Originally by: citizen amarr33sd3g4 So after a few weeks of ratting you will have learned nothing. (real life $$$$$$$$$$$$ is gone, he has just had eve turned into a job mate) Some people enjoy ratting.
Cyana Fox	Posted - 2007.10.21 15:12:00 - [76] Originally by: Pooka Edited by: Pooka on 21/10/2007 14:29:48 "permaturely kill this game by eliminating the player base" ?? But thin it out a little for the better of the honest players, yes I'm not trying to flame or troll you,, most everyone in this game breaks rules whether they are ethical or technical where some have punishments and others don't. By thinning out, you mean banning people and saying 'no you can't play or have second chances'...you want ccp to lose money so we lose the servers sooner? By all means. I say keep'em so we can play for a little longer, but that's just my own selfish devil on my shoulder. =)
citizen amarr33sd3g4	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:17:00 - [77] Originally by: Cyana Fox Originally by: Pooka Edited by: Pooka on 21/10/2007 14:29:48 "permaturely kill this game by eliminating the player base" ?? But thin it out a little for the better of the honest players, yes I'm not trying to flame or troll you,, most everyone in this game breaks rules whether they are ethical or technical where some have punishments and others don't. By thinning out, you mean banning people and saying 'no you can't play or have second chances'...you want ccp to lose money so we lose the servers sooner? By all means. I say keep'em so we can play for a little longer, but that's just my own selfish devil on my shoulder. =) You are the monst transparent and hopelessly lost isk buyer yet. While you make it obvious that you buy isk you seem to forget the fact that those that get banned will be back each and every time. Most of the time they will learn their lesson and not buy more isk.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.21 20:44:00 - [78] Originally by: Adonis 4174 Can you transfer assets with negative money? We've established you can't convo or sell items on the market. Yes, by direct trade (if both characters are online at the same time in the same station) or via a corp hangar. Contracts are out of the question, because a deposit of 10,000 isk is required even if no isk changes hands. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Boomershoot Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2007.10.21 20:51:00 - [79] Pwnd, that's all you're a brave man admitting your bad actions or you're just following point 4, whatever ----------------------------------------------- "1, 2, 3, shuttle reprocessing is right for me"
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.21 21:16:00 - [80] Originally by: feiht'd'ero Originally by: Celvice Klein I bet 10 isk (without reading the OPs employement history) that this is an alt of some anti-isk farmer trying to warn possible customers of said farmers about the consequences. Heck, it could even be a CCP employee. I wouldnt have thought so as a CCP employee would know you have to pay a deposit when accepting a mission, when this chap says he will be missioning and ratting his way out. could just be a begger. Paying a deposit for missions depend on standing, so it is possible he don't need to do that. If you think about that, the worst punishment is that he can't buy skill books so unless he has a lot of half trained skills he will lose some training time. While a statistic of the number of accounts banned and isk sequestrated would be nice, names shouldn't be published. The comment in the first posts of this thread give a fairly good reason not to publish them: people will kill the character repeatedly, without the possibility for him to set up a clone or buy a ship. At that point banning would be more merciful than stripping the character of isk. As people get second chances for fairly serious behaviours (a good example is Ginger Magician that got his first permaban lifted as people was willing to pardon him true life threats of harm) even isk buyers have the right to a second chance. At the same time the negative wallet should be in force for all the characters on the account, so he couldn't simply delete a character and create a new one to get a "out of jail" ticket.
Plokk	Posted - 2007.10.21 21:24:00 - [81] I do respect your honesty (unlike most in game)and for coming out and admitting the said crime , and feeling remorseful.... i say you should be allowed to saty . But as long as you do not do it again . Also you are here telling others not to and the consequences . Kudos !
Phelan Lore Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.21 21:29:00 - [82] 6. Skill the character up to be a wicked pilot, then sell it to somebody. :laugh: -
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.21 21:32:00 - [83] Originally by: Major Death So CCP punish players for selling and buying isk, then give the offenders an easy way out by buying isk from CCP? Is there no word in Icelandic for hypocrisy? Thinking about it I doubt I can do it. No isk for starting convo or sending mails to costumers. Not impossible to sell GTC, but hard and fairly evident for the costumers he has a negative wallet. Would you risk buying GTC from someone with a negative wallet? I wouldn't.
Lady Disortium	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:26:00 - [84] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Originally by: Adonis 4174 Can you transfer assets with negative money? We've established you can't convo or sell items on the market. Yes, by direct trade (if both characters are online at the same time in the same station) or via a corp hangar. Contracts are out of the question, because a deposit of 10,000 isk is required even if no isk changes hands. Wrong, I can not do in station trades either.
Archa Caldari Chickens with an Attitude	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:58:00 - [85] Interesting. I believe this negative wallet syndrome is starting to work. Perhaps going after the buyers instead of the sellers isn't really fair to those people who truely want to play the game and enjoy it so much that they actually spend real money on it. However the scare tactic is terrific. I do believe that buying isk these days is alot less easy then it used to be. Hence the super cheap prices for isk these days. The legit way of buying isk by using gametime cards seem to work quite well. So why would you go for the illegal isk selling sites? Why eve goes for punishing just the buyers is very simple. They can't prove it when someone is selling something. They can't prove when a macro mining is actually macro mining. We all know it. But proving it is alot tougher than it looks. However. CCP does know who they are. Who they are linked to and where the money is going. So they simple can spot the character selling the money to various players. And after a short while they can simply remove the money from these accounts. Punishing the buyer. The buyer is severly punished and will spread the danger of buying isk. Mission accomplished. people don't want to buy isk no more:)
Asilah Na'kani Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:04:00 - [86] I just don't see why people take the risk and buy ISK through these nab spammers when there is a perfect legitimate way to do it (GTC's).
cioran wyborowa	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:44:00 - [87] Originally by: gojwer isk buyers should be banned completely I am very surprised that ccp has these policies on isk buying/selling. The game is so open, its definitely trying for "free market" principles. Sure ban macroers, no one should be alowed to play actively while afk with no consequences. But ISK buyers? As a LEGAL gtc buyer, I see nothing wrong with exchanging real money for GTC's (for all intents and purposes ISK). I make an OK living, im not a fourm troll who lives in my parents basement, mining all day. If i lose a 200mil ship, i want to be able to plunk down 15 dollars (or whatever current GTC rate is) and get a new one. The reason these black market sales of ISK are banned is purely because CCP doesnt get a cut. Thats fine, thats their game, gotta play by the rules, but dont get on your high horse trying to make a moral statement about ISK buying. There is a very nice LEGAL gtc system for buying isk. To make the claim that all ISK buyers should be banned is ridiculous. Real cheating is what goes on with corporations like bob. Save your outrage for them.
Sky Grunthor Minmatar Core Element	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:12:00 - [88] Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 20/10/2007 17:19:55 Originally by: Celvice Klein I bet 10 isk (without reading the OPs employement history) that this is an alt of some anti-isk farmer trying to warn possible customers of said farmers about the consequences. Heck, it could even be a CCP employee. If he submits his character to my api tool it will expose a negative wallet. http://www.voogru.com/characters Quote: I think that should actually be the terms CCP gives someone when they remove their isk. They cannot buy GTCs, and they must announce their infraction on the forums if they want to stay in eve. Otherwise boot em. I think there should be name and shame. I'd recomend in-eve over this tbh. Don't know this site so don't trust it. That being said. doesn't mean it isn't legit. Search: Sky Grunthor
Savesti Kyrsst Minmatar White-Noise Skunk-Works	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:32:00 - [89] Mad props for ~~bringing it~~ posting here. Punishment deserved, now you're trying to give something back by being hopelessly ~~flamed~~ honest about the consequences here.
Bralstov	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:36:00 - [90] CCP Should ban your account withtout warning. They are way too kind. Hope you will quit eve soon.
Tzar'rim Minmatar Eve University	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:37:00 - [91] Well, I didn't read the EULA when I started out but having played several other MMO's I automatically assumed that buying isk is a big nono, unless proven otherwise. I don't understand that whole GTC thing, personally I see no difference between that and Isk sellers but that's probably just me. Act quickly, think slowly.
Aprudena Gist Caldari Capital Development and Security Industries	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:38:00 - [92] so why is it they didn't bad you.
Vele Nori Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.24 04:14:00 - [93] Originally by: Lady Disortium Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Originally by: Adonis 4174 Can you transfer assets with negative money? We've established you can't convo or sell items on the market. Yes, by direct trade (if both characters are online at the same time in the same station) or via a corp hangar. Contracts are out of the question, because a deposit of 10,000 isk is required even if no isk changes hands. Wrong, I can not do in station trades either. wow, this is harsh ... it's like being semi-banned
Kbg2008	Posted - 2007.10.24 08:53:00 - [94] Originally by: Lady Disortium I an the one, becuase by judging by everyones attitude no one else has done this. This is a cautionary tale. I bought 1.5b isk a couple of weeks ago and was merrily ploding along and playing my game. I logged on a few days ago to a -1.34b isk wallet (I bought some goodies with the isk). Now I can not initiate convo's, I can not do in station trades, I can not put anything on the market. Be warned that if you decide to buy isk the consequences are kinda hard to deal with and you will be left with 5 options. 1. buy GTC's to bring your wallet back to a positive level. 2. reroll your character 3. mission and rat until you have a positive wallet (keep in mind ammo is going to be a problem) 4. quit eve 5. hope your friends and corpmates will bail you out I know, I am a terrible person and you are all doing the lmao/rofl thing and that is fine. I have elected to mission and rat my way out of it but that isnt the point here, DONT BUY ISK is the point. The consequenses arent worth the shiney new toys.
Kbg2008	Posted - 2007.10.24 08:56:00 - [95] I feel your pain it happened to me too!
Bacci Galu Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.10.24 08:58:00 - [96] i like proof or stfu...its my fave sain in the whole wide world ::
Kbg2008	Posted - 2007.10.24 09:00:00 - [97] @ Bralstov Your an *******!
Daddy Xerox	Posted - 2007.10.24 09:08:00 - [98] Fix farming... ... render all NPC corps war-declarable. Under sufferage of constant war camps they will form PC corps, get wardecced, loose their farming fleets of haulers, and quit. Farming eliminated.
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.10.24 09:18:00 - [99] I think this is a good post and i think people criticising him are idiots personally. In the majority of games you start with stuff, die, dont really lose anything and begin again. not eve. In eve you start with nothing and gain through hard work and / or intelligence. Either way eve is a hard graft and its feasible to lose everything fairly easily. But in my view this makes eve a great game, you have to struggle, but once your on top it makes everything worthwhile. Also it makes fighting with something expensive a real adrenaline rush, unlike most games. During my time in various corps in eve i have known people that have bought isk and sold / bought characters on ebay. it is more common than people think and is bet everyone knows someone that has done it, whether they are aware or not. Im sure a lot of people dont know the eula and dont even realise its illegal ingame. As some other people have pointed out with lots of outgame sites selling isk it often appears legitimate. Also its difficult to see how selling gtc is different than buying isk direct. People are periodically warned about buying isk, but people often dont realise the consequences. Its good to see the consequencesin this post. if it puts people off then it serves a purpose, and thats what the op is trying to do. I personally think there will always be people willing to buy isk whatever posts are made. The most important thing to put people off buying isk is a realistic chance of being caught. The more posts like this showing people being caught the less people will buy isk, so they are a good thing.
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.10.24 09:24:00 - [100] Originally by: Daddy Xerox Fix farming... ... render all NPC corps war-declarable. Under sufferage of constant war camps they will form PC corps, get wardecced, loose their farming fleets of haulers, and quit. Farming eliminated. so so wrong. the only way to fix farmers is to nerf cloaks, and introduce npc aggression. i see farmers in 0.0 all the time, lots of them in fact, you enter local they safespot, cloak, log off or any combination of these. how will being able to war dec them change this. the sane will happen in highsec / lowsec as well, dont underestimate the farmers they are intelligent, and probably more intelligent than you.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.10.28 06:56:00 - [101] Edited by: voogru on 28/10/2007 06:58:10 Originally by: Sky Grunthor I'd recomend in-eve over this tbh. Don't know this site so don't trust it. Yeah, I've only been in EVE for 4 years. So i'm totally trying to scam people. I made this tool when in-EVE did not use the API, this tool is intended to thwart character scammers. And its also exposes some scammers who tried to sell characters with negative 1+ billion characters which I was able to find their threads, find out that due to the disclosure of the wallet they chose to use in-EVE instead of my tool, and I was able to bust their scam attempt. I'm dangerous! Watch out!
Dirk Magnum Red Light Enterprises Eastern Star Federation	Posted - 2007.10.28 08:54:00 - [102] Hopefully Augumene will be a killer ore that fixes the macro miner problem. If they nerf cloaks hopefully it won't be with the oft-suggested "make all of them have 10000 CPU", but instead just make the cloaks hurt all the ship stats they currently hurt, but more. If they made it so that it caused a large capacitor reduction (maybe 33-50% or something) and reduced lock time down to like three or four minutes (for battleships), it would make them undesirable for use on things with bad scan res. It won't make cloaking completely obsolete, which is apparently what some people want, but it will make farmers less likely to use them since they cut back on ratting productivity so badly. Making NPC corps deccable won't help, since the farmers will just form up a new player corp whenever the corp they're in gets decc'd.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.28 09:06:00 - [103] Edited by: Telemicus Thrace on 28/10/2007 09:06:56 Soryy if someone has already suggested this. Wouldn't it be a ***** up though if cheats like this got to grind their way back through 1.3bil then got their account banned. Now that my friends is punishment.
Jaikar Isillia Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.28 09:26:00 - [104] ^^ rofl hell yeah. Second the wallet turns positive it aura says "haha sucked in, account permanent shutdown in 5,4,3,2,1". Just the look on the person's face.. priceless.
Dirk Magnum Red Light Enterprises Eastern Star Federation	Posted - 2007.10.28 09:40:00 - [105] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 28/10/2007 09:41:20 I don't know why I didn't think of this earlier. CCP should infiltrate the ISK selling market at EBay and wherever else such transactions take place and offer their own ISK for sale (obviously from a character who seems like the run of the mill ISK farmer), and subsequently hardcore ban everyone that buys any. Distrust over ISK buying will become so great that the market effectively shuts down, eventually. Between this and making in-game changes that make farming harder, it should eliminate a large percentage of bought ISK from Eve.
CraicWhore	Posted - 2007.10.28 11:17:00 - [106] Heyy, for every raging white-knight-armchair-economist in EVE that gets an farmer account banned, or farming Raven shot up, some fella in a developing country just lost his wages (25US cents) for his (twelve hour) shift! Yaaay! Farmers damage the player balance and the immersion of EVE. However I don't grudge them, because the most of them are doing nothing more than making a precarious living out of it. For this reason I'm pretty reluctant to jump on the KILL AND *****ALL FARMERS bandwagon. So OP, while you're going to feel ashamed of what you've done, and you're going to have a lot of work bringing your wallet back into the black, look at the silver lining - you probably helped some poor sod keep their job.
Dirk Magnum Red Light Enterprises Eastern Star Federation	Posted - 2007.10.28 11:35:00 - [107] As demeaning and dare I say pointless a life is if spent sewing shoes together for Nike, it's still better than spending it generating fake money in a computer game.
Hellspawn01 Amarr Shadow Rebellion	Posted - 2007.10.28 11:57:00 - [108] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 28/10/2007 09:41:20 I don't know why I didn't think of this earlier. CCP should infiltrate the ISK selling market at EBay and wherever else such transactions take place and offer their own ISK for sale (obviously from a character who seems like the run of the mill ISK farmer), and subsequently hardcore ban everyone that buys any. Distrust over ISK buying will become so great that the market effectively shuts down, eventually. Between this and making in-game changes that make farming harder, it should eliminate a large percentage of bought ISK from Eve. I suggested this almost 2 years ago and look what happened. Easy solutions are not gonna happen in eve. Ship lovers click here
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2007.10.28 12:00:00 - [109] It's against the rules, so whatever punishment is applied is fine I guess. Seems a bit odd because it's not like buying isk is "imbalancing" when it's done legally. It's not like this game suffers from inflation when it has artificial mechanisms for inserting capital (I.E. bounties for Rats who die by the hundreds of thousands a day, valuable ore that comes back every day) and it seems to me that the trend has been a DECREASE in the price of goods since I've been playing rather than an increase. I suppose it's being done to protect profits from CCP's end, and I'm sure at least one accountant is very worried about the matter but it doesn't bother me in the slightest that it happens.
CraicWhore	Posted - 2007.10.29 12:06:00 - [110] Originally by: Dirk Magnum As demeaning and dare I say pointless a life is if spent sewing shoes together for Nike, it's still better than spending it generating fake money in a computer game. Not really. For all it's worth, gaming sweatshops tend to be safer than most industrial work environments (no fumes, chemicals, dangerous machinery or the like) and pay slightly more because because of the 'skilled' nature of the work. It's a better living, though a really precarious one. I've never bought isk, but I'd hesitate to take action against farmers unless they were proven to cause grave damage to the game.
nosy one	Posted - 2007.10.29 13:25:00 - [111] GTC sales are just as wrong as isk buying. CCP has double standards. I have no problem of people buying isk as they are only ruining their own gameplay. Making billions of your own isk ingame is rather fun. Then again, some people have real lifes and grinding their nuts off to field a pvp ship is not always an option. CCP, STOP NEFRING EVE! Fix APOC!

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