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arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.20 23:39:00 - [1] PLEASE CCP Fix this, its ***** anoying and starting to become more rule than exception. It just is ***** impossible to move ANYTHING expensive through highsec nowadays..... Please fix this crap, i was already on the verge of quitting eve with all its crappy mechanics and bugs. ========================= No cookies for you! Mr Nerf-O-Whine himself =========================
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.20 23:56:00 - [2] Escorted freighters (best escort would probably be a few loggy cruisers to take the edge off the pain), interceptors, nanoed T1 frigates, cov ops (the ninja flicker), not carrying too much at one time... there are PLENTY of ways to get expensive stuff through highsec. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
LemonHamster	Posted - 2007.10.21 00:06:00 - [3] please dont go i will miss your whine threads and ridiculously oversized sigs of a meme that should have died years ago _____________ NYAH ^_^
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.21 00:09:00 - [4] Originally by: arbalesttom PLEASE CCP Fix this, its ***** anoying and starting to become more rule than exception. It just is *** impossible to move ANYTHING expensive through highsec nowadays..... Please fix this crap, i was already on the verge of quitting eve with all its crappy mechanics and bugs. Bull**. Only idiots don't know how to move stuff in highsec safely. I just finished moving 6 bil of goods in my alt's viator 20 jumps to jita, never got scanned once. Here's a hint, dont autopilot and use a fast ship.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2007.10.21 14:22:00 - [5] Edited by: Qui Shon on 21/10/2007 14:32:17 Originally by: arbalesttom ... starting to become more rule than exception. This is a strong reason for "fixing" it, making adjustments of some kind. Routes into Jita are seemingly always camped during evenings, by yellows with SB's these days. Not just Jita gates, but adjoining systems too, which suggests it so common that suicide gank competition is already in effect, making people seek less crowded systems for their risk free and costfree ganks. It's not that it isn't supposed to happen, but rather that it is a rule, not an exception. Not a tool for warfare, but more like, well, a fishing trip. And that it's also at no risk whatsoever to the ganker, unless it's a crap ganker with a crap plan. Insurance fix would still make it low to no risk, just make suiciding highsec gate camps less of a rule and more of an exception. When you can use battleships and loose at most 5-6million or so, in best cases nothing at all, when you get it blown up, on purpose, that's nuts. This is before any profits, any target loot, in case anyone was confused about that. And no, it doesn't affect me personally. I don't trade much and don't carry around lots of expensive stuff. The odd Itty V filled with crap missionloot, maybe once a month. Not something anybody is likely to bother with. Not because they couldn't make a profit, but because it's a hassle dealing with large quanities of crap stuff, and lots more profitable, easier targets around. I wonder what this game would be like with no highsec. And no insurance. Frig swarms all around maybe.
Mudkest MetaForge Ekliptika	Posted - 2007.10.21 15:05:00 - [6] maybe someone got annoyed at your siggie and decided to get revenge? ----- GIEV custom ship paint jobs! I want my hello-kitty-kessie!
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.10.21 15:25:00 - [7] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: arbalesttom PLEASE CCP Fix this, its ***** anoying and starting to become more rule than exception. It just is *** impossible to move ANYTHING expensive through highsec nowadays..... Please fix this crap, i was already on the verge of quitting eve with all its crappy mechanics and bugs. Bull**. Only idiots don't know how to move stuff in highsec safely. I just finished moving 6 bil of goods in my alt's viator 20 jumps to jita, never got scanned once. Here's a hint, dont autopilot and use a fast ship. Most people can't fly a viator, let alone have a second account with an alt that can fly a viator. Honestly, it's not the suicide gankers that are the problem, it's the LAG. You can run a regular cloaking hauler through any suicide camp IF the lag isn't atrocious. The problem is sometimes you just don't even load Jita and die while black screened, or you try to do the cloak-align trick and the cloak/AB just don't respond to you due to the lag. Or you get to your destination and the dock command doesn't respond.
Kim Stone	Posted - 2007.10.21 15:51:00 - [8] I don't know how serious the OP's problem is but I've always found it a bit weird that your insurance company pays if your ship is destroyed by CONCORD when you are trying to do something illegal... It's just so not RL-like... Changing it would solve the whole suicide ganking problem (don't hate me suicide gankers ).
Dianeces Minmatar The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.10.21 15:59:00 - [9] Originally by: Kim Stone I don't know how serious the OP's problem is but I've always found it a bit weird that your insurance company pays if your ship is destroyed by CONCORD when you are trying to do something illegal... It's just so not RL-like... Changing it would solve the whole suicide ganking problem (don't hate me suicide gankers ). Well then we should probably get rid of insurance payouts for when you lose a ship in a mission, go to lowsec/0.0, or mine (we all know how dangerous those belt rats can be). Or...we could leave it alone and quit flying expensive things in T1 haulers and then coming to the boards and ***ing because we got ganked. Quote:** Cristobalus DeMora > so what do the forums say? Jaleean Atheria > smack smack smack flame smack flame smack smack flame alt post flame flame flame smack flame click
turnschuh Viper Squad	Posted - 2007.10.21 16:17:00 - [10] Edited by: turnschuh on 21/10/2007 16:17:43 I spent a whole week scanning afk pilots and all I got was a loosy t1 plated hauler wich I didnt manage to kill in a bs before I blew up. nerf concord.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2007.10.21 17:04:00 - [11] Edited by: Qui Shon on 21/10/2007 17:04:19 Originally by: turnschuh Edited by: turnschuh on 21/10/2007 16:17:43 I spent a whole week scanning afk pilots and all I got was a loosy t1 plated hauler wich I didnt manage to kill in a bs before I blew up. nerf concord. Not even a t-shirt? Man, you suck.
Corrosus	Posted - 2007.10.21 17:05:00 - [12] Edited by: Corrosus on 21/10/2007 17:05:40 I have lost an itty load of gear at the jita gate through my own stupidity, but nothing that i could not have avoided had i been paying attention and fitted properly. My main regularly flies through jita in a charon freighter with no problems whatsoever. Adapt
Kim Stone	Posted - 2007.10.21 18:04:00 - [13] Originally by: Dianeces Well then we should probably get rid of insurance payouts for when you lose a ship in a mission, go to lowsec/0.0, or mine (we all know how dangerous those belt rats can be). Or...we could leave it alone and quit flying expensive things in T1 haulers and then coming to the boards and *****ing because we got ganked. Please at least try to understand what i said. Have you ever got blown up in a mission or in 0.0 by CONCORD? (If your answer is yes then I guess you petitioned it ) And since when beltratting is illegal? I've got nothing against insurance payouts but seriously? After blown up by CONCORD? It's just so unreal. (FYI I do not fly t1 haulers with billions of goods in it. But seeing that suicide ganking is a business now makes me a bit uneasy...)
Dubious Drewski	Posted - 2007.10.21 18:27:00 - [14] Originally by: Gamesguy I just finished moving 6 bil of goods in my alt's viator 20 jumps to jita, never got scanned once. Playing devil's advocate here for a bit. You can't possibly know that you weren't scanned. Um, passive targeter? Originally by: Slayton Ford a Drake is normally primaried last And that's why I love that homely boat!
Okkie2	Posted - 2007.10.21 18:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: arbalesttom PLEASE CCP Fix this, its ***** anoying and starting to become more rule than exception. It just is *** impossible to move ANYTHING expensive through highsec nowadays..... Please fix this crap, i was already on the verge of quitting eve with all its crappy mechanics and bugs. Bull**. Only idiots don't know how to move stuff in highsec safely. I just finished moving 6 bil of goods in my alt's viator 20 jumps to jita, never got scanned once. Here's a hint, dont autopilot and use a fast ship. Then you were lucky, 1 competent gank squad and your fast ship is also killed. The reason a fast ship works atm is because most gankers are lazy and they know they will find an autopilot indy soon. The real problem is the gankers can know in front if attacking will be profitable or not. They just do a cargo/shipscan, calculate and know the profit. It's high-sec, it should be pretty safe (not totally safe, this is not WoW but Eve). The fact you see more and more of those camps says it all......
Sedai Hara The Forsakened Companions Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:24:00 - [16] Correct me if i am wrong. But i think i read something about this in patch notes / a dev blog or something. not sure though. But instead of the time it takes for concord to warp in to the crime scene and let out punishment, they will simply spawn INSTANT as the crime is comitted. And insta jamming/nosing/transforming the ship into space dust. Would be a good fix indeed, but i only got a small memory of seeing it somewhere. Any1one else seen this? ----------------------------- Originally by: Ozzie Asrail A mega without 3 magstabs fitted is like kladdkaka without chocolate.
Dianeces Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.10.21 19:28:00 - [17] Originally by: Kim Stone Originally by: Dianeces Well then we should probably get rid of insurance payouts for when you lose a ship in a mission, go to lowsec/0.0, or mine (we all know how dangerous those belt rats can be). Or...we could leave it alone and quit flying expensive things in T1 haulers and then coming to the boards and ***ing because we got ganked. Please at least try to understand what i said. Have you ever got blown up in a mission or in 0.0 by CONCORD? (If your answer is yes then I guess you petitioned it ) And since when beltratting is illegal? I've got nothing against insurance payouts but seriously? After blown up by CONCORD? It's just so unreal. (FYI I do not fly t1 haulers with billions of goods in it. But seeing that suicide ganking is a business now makes me a bit uneasy...) I was commenting on the fact that by trying to compare RL to Eve, you open this sort of argument up to the fact that RL insurance companies would not pay for your car if you were doing something intentionally dangerous, i.e. fighting any sort of rats, be they in a mission or a belt, or going to a warzone. And I didn't accuse you of complaning, I just get tired of seeing all the people who CBA to take care of themselves and want CCP to coddle them with a totally safe highsec because they don't want to work. Quote:** Cristobalus DeMora > so what do the forums say? Jaleean Atheria > smack smack smack flame smack flame smack smack flame alt post flame flame flame smack flame click
Shadar Logreth	Posted - 2007.10.21 20:59:00 - [18] Another fix to make would be to make it so that you get NO insurance money AT ALL if you are popped by CONCORD.
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.10.21 22:23:00 - [19] Originally by: Shadar Logreth Another fix to make would be to make it so that you get NO insurance money AT ALL if you are popped by CONCORD. Cant say thats a bad thing. Just, dont make sentryguns or things like that count as concord. Just the +0.4 shootings. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.21 22:42:00 - [20] Anything worth more than ~50mil in t1 hauler is profitable gank in empire. Ofc depends if stuff is spread out (not like 1 recon but 10 stacks of something etc). In the end, you have more people camping empire than 0.0
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.10.22 02:49:00 - [21] Originally by: Sedai Hara Correct me if i am wrong. But i think i read something about this in patch notes / a dev blog or something. not sure though. But instead of the time it takes for concord to warp in to the crime scene and let out punishment, they will simply spawn INSTANT as the crime is comitted. And insta jamming/nosing/transforming the ship into space dust. Would be a good fix indeed, but i only got a small memory of seeing it somewhere. Any1one else seen this? CONCORD is basically instant in 0.9 and 1.0 sec space. You only get one volley off before you're jammed. That's enough to kill a lot of things, though. In 0.5 and 0.6 sec space there's a significant delay before CONCORD shows up, making ganking easier.
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.10.22 02:53:00 - [22] Originally by: arbalesttom PLEASE CCP Fix this, its ***** anoying and starting to become more rule than exception. It just is ***** impossible to move ANYTHING expensive through highsec nowadays..... Please fix this crap, i was already on the verge of quitting eve with all its crappy mechanics and bugs. holy crap i cant believe your sig hasn't been nerfed yet 0_o --------------------------- ALL HAIL TO THE TECHNOVIKING forum warrior in training
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.22 02:54:00 - [23] Edited by: Gamesguy on 22/10/2007 02:54:53 Originally by: Okkie2 Then you were lucky, 1 competent gank squad and your fast ship is also killed. The reason a fast ship works atm is because most gankers are lazy and they know they will find an autopilot indy soon. The real problem is the gankers can know in front if attacking will be profitable or not. They just do a cargo/shipscan, calculate and know the profit. It's high-sec, it should be pretty safe (not totally safe, this is not WoW but Eve). The fact you see more and more of those camps says it all...... Quote: Playing devil's advocate here for a bit. You can't possibly know that you weren't scanned. Um, passive targeter? My viator has an alignment time of 2.4 seconds, the shortest scan cycle for a cargo scanner is 3 seconds, now add another 2 seconds for lock time/module activation delay. So you have no clue wtf you're talking about? I used to suicide gank for isk, I know EXACTLY what suicide gankers can and cannot gank. And a blockade runner that warps faster than a shuttle falls firmly in the latter category. You simply cannot scan it, and even if by some miracle you get a scan its impossible to kill it due to its extreme warp speed.

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