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Rollotamasi
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Posted - 2007.10.21 01:19:00 -
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I have finally got to the point where I will be able to start doing a "decent" job soloing lvl 4's. Right now I am using a domi and its painfully slow. In addition, drone control bugs are REALLY starting to annoy me so I am looking at either getting a hyperion or a megathron. This is hopefully the ship I am going to use for lvl 4's for a LONG time to come so I want to try to make the best choice possible. I have been playing with both in EFT and have come up with a few setups I like but I am still iffy.
Megathron. Pros are the tracking bonus really helps with the long range setups which is what I like to use for missions. The slightly larger drone bay also gives a bit more flexibility in drone load outs. The major down side is it has a less then stellar tank and I don't really want to lose my major investment.
Hyperion. Pros are the rep bonus is REALLY nice. Tanking will go a lot smoother. It also has more base armor which will help. The downside is that its really not designed to be a long range combat ship. Even with a tracking comp I doubt it will perform as well at range which means missions will take more time. I considered trying blasters but travel time to targets will take even more time and I would also have to fit a AB which would give me grid issues.
For those of you that have flown both of these ships whats your opinion on which is most effective for solo lvl 4's?
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Darkstar Deceiver
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Posted - 2007.10.21 01:49:00 -
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TBH your problems with missions won't decrease by using either a mega or a hyp. Stick with the Dominix, or train up for a Raven.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2007.10.21 01:50:00 -
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I've never flown a megathron, though if/when I pick up a naval one I might consider it, but from everything I've heard it's much preferred over the hyperion for mission running.
Based on my experience with the hyperion using a tracking computer to boost optimal range on decent damage ammo is useful and at that range tracking isn't as important. The tank on what I tried out was okay but not too sure how well it'd work for solo as I was in a group.
Of course I only have gallente battleship 3 too so if you're at 4 or 5 you'll get a lot more mileage than me.
From what I understand of the megathron if you keep moving you'll be okay and the drone space lets you do significantly more DPS than the hyperion if you mount 4 heavies and 5 lights while the tracking bonus means that moving around won't gimp your aim as much.
The telling point as I see it is that you'll see more megathrons heading out for missions than hyperions, at least in the busier mission hubs, from what I've seen.
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Xaen
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.10.21 02:02:00 -
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I had the exact same dilemma man. I got all the way to Ogre IIs and drone interfacing V before I finally gave up the dominix. The drone control bugs make missioning in a drone boat a PITA at best and a half the time outright suicide.
I even made a post just like you asking for advice on Hyperion vs. Myrmidon. You know what ship I picked? Raven. It's easy mode by comparison. Though sweet drone skills are highly beneficial.
Just give it up man, get an ugly ass raven, do enemies abound 1-5 and get yourself a CN XL booster. It's easy mode. Trust me.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2007.10.21 02:04:00 -
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TBH your problems with missions won't decrease by using either a mega or a hyp. Stick with the Dominix, or train up for a Raven.
Tch, don't be a sheep and don't train for the raven. ;-)
Seriously, based on my experiences and what I've heard/seen from others you'll get a 30% reduction in mission time at most and far less overall time decrease if you salvage/loot afterwards too.
The ships are, all things considered, cheap enough and you and likely recycle several mods from both ships on each other so save up a bit of money and get both and give them both a shot.
If the hyperion runs better tank-wise but you prefer the megathron better but can't use it due to tank issues just save up LP with a gallente corporation and get a naval megathron if you don't buy one outright.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2007.10.21 02:09:00 -
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It's easy mode. Trust me.
In comparison to the drake/abaddon tag team I normally pull on missions no raven is "easy mode," ever.
Of course that requires two accounts so it's not the most practical setup for some people.
Right now I'm doing a dominix/abaddon tag to see how well I like the abaddon and while it's not quite as good as the drake for whole-room aggro gathering I'm quite pleased with the results so far.
I've had to run solo with the dominix for a bit and while annoying (my drone skills are under 1m and a chunk is in multiple racial spec. skills, logistics, and some mining) due to the time involved it's not been horrid in comparison to a drake/abaddon team.
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LUH 3471
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Posted - 2007.10.21 02:32:00 -
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in general
megathron=gank
hyperion=tank
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Letifer Deus
A Astroid Belt
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Posted - 2007.10.21 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: LUH 3471
in general
megathron=gank
hyperion=tank
Meh, my gank hyp has a higher dps than my gank mega. If you use navy AM instead of void (and a web, naturally), not having the tracking bonus of the mega is really a moot point.
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Kai Shinkachi
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Posted - 2007.10.21 05:11:00 -
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I was also in that boat as well. And against all recommendation I got a Megathron. Been loving myself ever since. The Raven may be the mission grinder. But the Megathron is the way to go. Tracking bonus, 425mm rails... a full tank and a Magstab to boot. Plus using that drone bay for all sorts of things helps greatly. The DPS is still very high with those guns. Getting into range is usually never a problem.
And a word of advice, always keep antimatter charges handy... why? Well if that pesky rat gets too close, just switch to anti matter. DPS up, Rat screwed.
And you could go for the Hyperion, which would work. The massive tanking ability is nice, and if you want to REALLY tank your brains out, use only 350mm rails. And focus allout on tanking. The Hyp is really an overlooked ship.
Although the Dominix is not a bad ship by any means for missions. It just has to rely on drones. Which can be a pain. (Stay Gallente, Ravens look funny!!!!)
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Rayne Starfire
Amarr
Intergalactic Mining And Trade Corp.
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Posted - 2007.10.21 05:30:00 -
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Edited by: Rayne Starfire on 21/10/2007 05:30:51
Word of advise from a veteran mission runner. Any level 4 mission(outside of drones) only requires 3 active hardeners + LAR T2. You have to pay attention to the mission and change which 3 you're using but that's it. That means at most your tank uses 4 low slots. On a Hype you have 2 MFS and on a Mega you get 3. If you can afford a faction LAR you're golden. I do missions in an Abaddon myself. Omni tank over 70% everything and 10x damage on 8 pulse with 74km max range on Radio L. Cap can get scary sometimes but my goal is to melt my enemies before that becomes an issue. I'm pretty sure I can run any level 4 mission in under 30 minutes if I don't stop to loot and salvage.
EDIT: before omni passive tanking Abaddon I ran level 4's in an Armageddon with 3 actives like I suggested. Sometimes I'd have to warp out if I agro'd too much but not very often. If you used Hype with the rep bonus you'd be better off than I was in the Geddon.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2007.10.21 07:27:00 -
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Well, I don't know about anyone else but I need ships with massive tanks because I have a tendency to get aggro, a lot.
Right now my dominix is running 2xLAR2, 4xT2 hardeners, Amarr Navy EANM, 5xCap Recharger II, and 3 medium and large vampires to provide additional power.
Furthermore I have my alt's abaddon with a cap recharge so high that I slap all of my vampires on her and she can fire all her lasers and still not drop below 45% cap and if that's not enough she has 3 heavy armor repair drones.
So far I've already managed to come close to needing that much tank. Of course in the same mission when I got to the last room I had to putz around at 130m/s until I got within 20km of a battleship and vamp it just to get it to aggro me and not my drones. I tried getting into medium vampire range of the other 3 ships but they aggro'd at 13km. Kinda sad because I've never had that problem with my drake.
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.21 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Shereza
Well, I don't know about anyone else but I need ships with massive tanks because I have a tendency to get aggro, a lot.
Right now my dominix is running 2xLAR2, 4xT2 hardeners, Amarr Navy EANM, 5xCap Recharger II, and 3 medium and large vampires to provide additional power.
Furthermore I have my alt's abaddon with a cap recharge so high that I slap all of my vampires on her and she can fire all her lasers and still not drop below 45% cap and if that's not enough she has 3 heavy armor repair drones.
So far I've already managed to come close to needing that much tank. Of course in the same mission when I got to the last room I had to putz around at 130m/s until I got within 20km of a battleship and vamp it just to get it to aggro me and not my drones. I tried getting into medium vampire range of the other 3 ships but they aggro'd at 13km. Kinda sad because I've never had that problem with my drake.
Why don't you just fit cap Xfer arrays on the Abbadon? Much more high-slot efficient.
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Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.21 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Shereza
So far I've already managed to come close to needing that much tank. Of course in the same mission when I got to the last room I had to putz around at 130m/s until I got within 20km of a battleship and vamp it just to get it to aggro me and not my drones. I tried getting into medium vampire range of the other 3 ships but they aggro'd at 13km. Kinda sad because I've never had that problem with my drake.
You might want to consider fitting a small gun so as to get aggro. You don't have to hit the guy, just one shot that misses by a mile will be enough.
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Rex Wolfen
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.21 14:02:00 -
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Howdy,
i had the same fuzz about the domi. got 25 mio sp, nearly 8 mio in gunnery allone, and can use t2 med drones. and i like the gunships alot more then the drone-boats.
i took the hyperion for lvl 4 missions because of the excellent rep bonus. at gallente BS 5 i get 1265 armor repaired from a T2 Large repper. tracking is never that big deal, even compared to a mega, just watch transversal and keep range. fast orbitting stuff is drones job.
right now im about to get me a faction repper. prefered core types, 400 energy activation like t2 variants and my repper keeps going 23/7.
never used a mega for missions, just for ratting in 0.0, was a good fun too.
my advice, get a Hyperion, train up BS skill and ur good to go for every mission if u dont screw it up and misshandle aggro.
its straight and fast shooting and much more fun then a raven or domi petcaster thingy 
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Shereza
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Posted - 2007.10.21 17:19:00 -
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Why don't you just fit cap Xfer arrays on the Abbadon? Much more high-slot efficient.
I was working to get a solo-capable build for my dominix working first, something that I knew was capable of handling the crap I put it through before, before making it gang-dependant.
Another advantage of this setup is that I don't have to micromanage the vampire use if I leach off of my alt's abaddon. I can set them and forget them and not worry about killing her cap like I can if I run a large transfer and get busy micro-managing the dominix. I run two clients on one machine so that's a strong possibility.
I could easily boost DPS by a good chunk, almost twice what I'd lose, but it'd be at the cost of decreased tank sustainability without the support ship and if/when I get whole room aggro without the abaddon in the area (since the abaddon has minimal tank) I need every last second of tank.
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You might want to consider fitting a small gun so as to get aggro. You don't have to hit the guy, just one shot that misses by a mile will be enough.
I'd thought of that. With a CCC rig in the third rig slot I could afford to drop the 3 medium vampires and slot in 3 small or medium rails (I was thinking smalls for frigate work) to manage that.
By the same token, however, if I take the above poster's suggestion of using a cap transfer array I'd lose 52 raw DPS on the abaddon from swapping out a mega beam for the transfer but I could slot in 5 dual 250s on the dominix and get another 116 max raw DPS.
Or, for that matter, since cap cost won't be an issue (to a degree) I could just fit 4 dual heavy modal pulse and 2 heavy modal beam (mid-range named for cost-effectiveness and a more realistic DPS range) and get another 142 max raw DPS.
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