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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.21 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Icome4u on 21/10/2007 15:53:30 I'll make it simple. NO!
I understand your point of view (even tho weak) of Carriers and Motherships. But you CANNOT take something away this drasticaly. What makes carriers and motherhsips well... carriers and motherhsips? One BIG thing is the amount of drones/fighters they can use. Taking that away takes the essence of what they are away.
Find another way to nerf them (they don't even need a nerf common... 2-3 BS with smartbombs takes care of all those drones/fighters...)
You guys seriously need to STOP throwing the nerf bat blindly. This 'idea' has NOT been thought of, it looks like it's one new guy on the DEV team thinking of making a big impact. Well you it is a big impact, and a couple hundred less customers for CCP if this stupid idea goes through.
I honestly can't even think what is going through your mind(s) when posting this... 'thing'... What's next? Cut all damage high slots by half and give all boosters and reppers a 200% boost to make fights last longer? Oh and how about limiting 2 fleets per system with capping each fleet to 50 people! Their goes huge lag wars! Stop blobing by not allowing ships to stay around gates anymore!...
Rethink the idea CCP. I'm not getting paid to do your job (i pay to play and enjoy the game) so honestly this idea goes down the drain, very very bad idea.
Edit: Want to nerf it like this? Give fighters a 600% role damage bonus WHEN in control by the carrier. Oh and boost their hp since they will be very easy to kill and primaried. Unless you do this, the hundreds of posts of 'wtf ccp' will keep comming. ______
Originally by: Vyger If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner?
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.21 16:46:00 -
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CCP is scared of solowtfpwnmobile Carriers and Motherships. Well their's a price for that, they die. ______
Originally by: Vyger If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner?
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.21 19:06:00 -
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CCP if you keep this nerfing bullsh*t EVE will end up like SWG. Almost no players and dead in the water.
Thats a word of warning for you CCP.
I say NO to this nerf/change and so does most of the player base.
So keep this up and you won't have anyone left in this game. Don't think it can happen? Look around at big impressive games that got to many big nerfs and now they are dead. Players can only take a certain amount of crap from Dev's, and you are just about to cross that line. ______
Originally by: Vyger If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner?
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.21 21:09:00 -
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IBTL
Worst idea to date. Even worst that playing WoW! ______
Originally by: Vyger If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner?
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.21 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: Icome4u on 21/10/2007 21:36:21 Badddd idea.
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.21 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Icome4u on 21/10/2007 21:38:59 Edited by: Icome4u on 21/10/2007 21:37:58
Originally by: DeadDuck My only concern is the lag the actual Carrier/Mom system causes...
I dont mind if CCP increases fighter damage for a big percentage and in return reduces the amount of drones carriers they can carry and deploy at a time...
I just dont want to see the clouds of drones that more and more populate fleet fights.
I think this solution would be good, to keep all the ones that trained for carriers/moms happy and on the same time everybody happy with the lag reduction that this solution would bring.
Heh not our fault... Why take our fighters away? Take t1/t2 Frigates and t1/t2 cruisers (and maybe t1/t2 BC) ability to use drones away... stupid? yes! Just like this idea from CCP!
Edit: At WORST, give fighters control by carriers a big bonus to drone dps and hp.
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.21 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Icome4u on 21/10/2007 21:43:21 People who say carriers/ms are solowtfpwnmachines are noobs and idiots. It's far from that, just because your friend that has been playing 2 month longer than you said that, it doesn't make it true.
Edit: Carriers and Motherships are great for ONE reason. They give the ability to someone who spent a lot of time training and a lot of isk the ability to show force. Hey it's a capital ship after all. And tbh the show of force isn't that great...
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.22 00:25:00 -
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Nytemaster... lol are you serious or simply stupid?
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.22 01:22:00 -
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So we have a good 1100 posts saying NO. And a couple repetitive posts from a couple noobs saying yes.
So hmm it's something like 900 people say NO and 15 people say yes. Only difference now is the number of people that will say NO.
So CCP, your idea was very bad, so please don't implement it. I can guarantee you will only accomplish one thing: People will stop paying you.
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.22 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria The problem though, is that Devs ARE playing their own game, and that's whats frightening. Also..all the people who tell CCP to play their own game, please go slap anyone you know that complains about people having devs in their alliance/corp.
Well SOME Dev's play EVE. The one with this idea clearly doesn't. It's not the first time ether we get a stupid 'idea' from a Dev. Scary thing is even tho 99% of the people say no to the idea they still do it. They DON'T care about us... :(
You guys better watch it at Fanfest, if this idea goes through i'll f*cking slap the **** out of every single one of you DEV guys.
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.22 02:11:00 -
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Edited by: Icome4u on 22/10/2007 02:13:54
Originally by: Strategos
Originally by: Icome4u
Originally by: Das Lol
Originally by: R1pp3r Someone in this thread has already mentioned it but I like the idea of fighters having a hard time tracking battleships. This would still allow for the tactical repair advantage...
You forgot the part where nobody smart uses carriers for that.
Considering any good pilot in a BS (if you suck at it don't freaking fly it) can tank fighters. Maybe not a MS full of fighters but hey... just GTFO. If you are tackled hey guess what! You deserve to die.
The carrier pilot is very unskilled SP wise if a battleship is tanking a full set of his fighters, but keep talking out of your ass, it doesn't make you look stupid at all. Only way a BS could tank a full set of carrier fighters is if the carrier only uses 1 damage type fighter and the BS it fully tanked vs that one type of damage.
Didn't see your noobiness :)
Considering where Genco stands on the skill tree i shouldn't bother replying but heh. Fighters are not uberness wtfpwn drones, sorry to burst your bubble. Sur if you got a NYX or a Thanatos at level 5 you will be doing some damage, but with my Chimera at level 5, fighters at level 4 and a Dominix thats t2 fitted is tanking me for a very very long time, it clearly shows BS (heck a tier 1 BS) can tank a carrier. HECK! My drake can tank 2 thanatos (at level 3, so thats ~15 fighters +dmg bonus) and its only t2 fitted with 1 t2 rig and 2 t1 rigs! So again, only idiots and noobs die to carriers. Clearly you are one of them.
Oh and the reason carriers and MS fly around with support: Because they aren't that great solo! Oh and you can simply stick 2-3 damps on a carrier and he becaumes useless. For a MS? Heh smartbomb his fighters and drones!
Can anyone tell me what happen to the solo MS low sec gate campers? Yupp they died!
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.22 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Clavius XIV
Originally by: Icome4u So we have a good 1100 posts saying NO. And a couple repetitive posts from a couple noobs saying yes.
So hmm it's something like 900 people say NO and 15 people say yes. Only difference now is the number of people that will say NO.
Yeah, let's decide balance changes by popular vote and who can yell the loudest on the forums.
The #1 complaint people have with the change is it impacts people who have already invested considerable gametime and isk into training someting that now will be nerfed (well actualy dps will be the same but it will require more pilots to weild it effectively).
Ultimatly we will have to see if CCP is more interested in appeasing the masses and keeping subs and leading us to Capitals Online or if they are actualy interested in a balanced game with mixed fleets.
They will probably cave though, CCP has gotten to big and too corporate to put game balance in front of the bottom line... as much as I'd love to be proven wrong.
Well considering the masses say NO to this idea its pretty clear that carriers DON'T need this nerf. So far masses keep whining about X thing and CCP listens, we hopefully they listen to us and they DON'T nerf carriers and MS.
Iv flown with CVA a couple times, even helped keep your space yours, im impress a stupid post like this comes from a CVA member. Maybe you should get in contact with your carrier pilots and have a talk with them. I'm sure they will enlighten you on the stupidity of CCP's idea.
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.22 03:21:00 -
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Edited by: Icome4u on 22/10/2007 03:21:59 Edited by: Icome4u on 22/10/2007 03:21:27
Originally by: TheSystem
Originally by: Bruno Bonner well i'm not a carrier pilot, but i agree with what most MC pilots say, they are a projection of power IN the battlefield not outside of it. And fighters are their weapon.
How about:
-Only 1 drone control unit module allowed to be active/fitted (bringing the maxed quantity of drone/fighters deployed to 6), reducing lag.
-Carrier skill gives out a good boost to fighter HP/Speed/Damage.
The above would make valuable to assign a SINGLE fighter to a pilot as it would still deal a good chunk of damage without having a massive cloud of fighters deployed around.
Regular drones will not get any bonuses from the carrier skill or ship, they would only be affected by the pilot skills in that area.
With the above the carrier pilot can choose to command all 6 deployed fighters himself or in a move to counter being dampened, assign the 6 fighters to 6 different pilots and deal damage.
Assigned fighters should still count as controlled drone units btw.
a naive non-carrier pilot suggestion Bruno
I agree
Fighters/Drones are not the cause to lag. 500 people in system is.
Whats next? Nerf missiles because they cause lag? HAHAHAHHAHA!
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.22 06:51:00 -
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Edited by: Icome4u on 22/10/2007 06:54:24 Can't beleive i actually counted... well 95% of the posts say NO to this nerf.
There you go CCP back to the drawing board. For you guys to even think that idea is good is completely stupid. Also why does a QA guy gets this job? I mean wtf... so like he gets 100 questions from noobs asking 'Why did my cruiser get wtfpwn vs that guy's carrier' and he decides that carriers and motherships need to be nerf??? LOL FAILED i say.
Sorry to burst your bubble CCP, but TomB and Tuxford would have NEVER proposed something idiotic like that. Which is why they aren't backing this CRAP up. While your at it, just ask the cleaning crew about 'balancing' BS vs Cruisers fights.
Oh and i won't bother replying to the morons who think carriers/ms are solowtfpwnmachines. Get a clue noobs.
Edit: This game is starting to feel like WoW... Carriers = Paladins right? Healing + DPS, so now you are proposing we take the sword away? lol they tried to do that with WoW Paladins and a couple thousands players left until Blizzard realize how STUPID they were for trying changing a class so much.
You want a uber logistic ship? Introduce one, don't be lazy and change an existing class thats been around almost 2 years to suit your 'dreamEVE'. Last time i checked we paid for OUR dreamEVE not YOURS. You have a private test server for that AFAIK.
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.22 08:01:00 -
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Edited by: Icome4u on 22/10/2007 08:02:13
Originally by: Vandalias
Originally by: Nyack hmm some of us actually has skilled full time on carrier skills i know alot of people (me included) that has:
carrier 5 jump fuel 5 jump calibration 5 capital rep 5 capital remote armor rep 5 fighters 5
personally only got 2 of the above left to skill.. all these skills dont effect much more then carriers and a few might apply to dreads but other then that i cant use these skills to anything but carriers...
Congrats, you are pretty well set to fly a dread as well.
Capital Ships I Advanced Spaceship Command V Spaceship Command V Secondary Skill required Carrier III Capital Ships III Advanced Spaceship Command V Spaceship Command V Battleship V Spaceship Command IV Cruiser IV Spaceship Command III Frigate IV Spaceship Command I Drone Interfacing V Drones V Tertiary Skill required Jump Drive Operation I Navigation V Warp Drive Operation V Navigation I Science V
Thats what i had to train to just GET in a Mothership. Imagine ALL the other skills i NEED to train to even stand a chance. Imagine the BILLIONS of isk i spent. Oh wait you can't imagine... your probably still working on BS level IV.
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.22 08:04:00 -
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Also need to train up all your drone skills to 4 or 5 since you can use all kind of drones. Couple million sp in drones ftw... I doubt anyone bothers to get them at level 5, well carrier pilots do because having those t2 drones at level 5 x15 makes a big difference.
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.22 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Vandalias
Originally by: Icome4u Carrier III
Thats what i had to train to just GET in a Mothership. Imagine ALL the other skills i NEED to train to even stand a chance. Imagine the BILLIONS of isk i spent. Oh wait you can't imagine... your probably still working on BS level IV.
Well you could argue that skill was wasted, but everything else on that list is useful for other ships.
Lol idiot... it's not just about the time wasted its about the isk wasted. Carrier skill book, fighter skill book, carrier, capital modules, hundreds of drones, dozens of fighters cost a lot of isk. To even think about getting in a carrier you better have 1 year under your belt of skills, then you start to train. So almost 2 years after starting your Carrier pilot you get in a pilot and you have another goot 6-8 month to get the skills up etc etc.
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.22 08:12:00 -
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Edited by: Icome4u on 22/10/2007 08:13:01
Originally by: Vandalias
Originally by: Nyack we were talking about carrier skills not many wioudl skill em to 5 but they cant be used to anything but carriers right?
Cap remote reps can be used on any cap ship... carriers (and rorqual) are the only ones that get a bonus to them though.
lol idiot (again). 15km range... i'm sure a Titan is going to bother moving into range? Or maybe a dread with all its high slots to spare...
Edit: Vandalias just stop posting here, you failed at this topic.
Oh and i have 1337 topic # :P
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.22 08:48:00 -
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Vandalias wins the FAILED award for being the biggest noob in this thread!
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.22 08:53:00 -
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Edited by: Icome4u on 22/10/2007 08:55:08
Originally by: Yaay Edited by: Yaay on 22/10/2007 08:45:55
Originally by: Ale Tricio
Originally by: CCP Zulupark Righto then.
So a lot of people missed the point of this blog. The idea we had is: 'Should Carriers and Motherships be more support role oriented then they are now?' Then we thought, what's a way to do that, and came up with this one.
That's when we decided to just blog the idea, and get some feedback on 2 things: 1. Do you like this idea (that is the more-support-oriented idea)? 2. If so, do you like the approach we're thinking about (fighter deployment limits)? 3. If you liked the idea but no the solution, what propositions do you have? 4. If you don't like the idea at all, why not?
Now to answer a few questions that have arisen in this thread.
Are you an idiot? No, but thanks for posting constructively
Are you doing this to decrease lag No, this is purely balancing ideas, nothing to do with lag or server load
Have you even played EVE or taken part in a fleet fight? Yes
Why shouldn't a mothership be able to defend itself????
For you real-life analogy aficionados: Do you ever see a aircraft carrier travel anywhere without a blob of smaller support ships? Bad analogy, my mistake, move along, nothing to see. For you others: It can still defend itself, but let's be real, why would you ever get yourself into a situation where the last line of defense between you and an attacking fleet are you fighters?
There won't be any difference between a Carrier and a Mothership!! If this change nullifies the difference between those two ships, what's the difference today?
OMFG, you're really gonna fight back with that one huh. You dont' really seem to get the point these forums are yelling about. Your post show'd no real insight, understanding of the game, or comprehension of what said actions might result in. The fact that you made it to the stage where your own team couldn't realize it was a bad idea before even asking us is what's so upsetting to most here.
Stop talking, you're only making it worse now for yourself and your company.
The kid has balls to fight back considering +1000 people are telling him NO (and idiot was also mention among many other names). I'm guessing his the type of people that answer 'maybe' to the age old question of 'should i bring a knife to a gun fight?'
Edit: Go back to QA for another year or two or change your name if you intend of NOT being publicly lynch.
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.22 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Vandalias Edited by: Vandalias on 22/10/2007 08:53:42
Originally by: Rusty PwnStar Then post with your main.
My other account is inactive at the moment, but again the character I post with isn't relevant to the discussion.
Edit: by all means enlighten me.
FAILED. Go join Zulupark in the corner for a sit out.
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.22 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: jokerb More logical fallacy, nice try though :) Next.. You appear to be baiting people with rhetoric that only seeks to inflame.
His an iddiot and a noob that just discovered he can bother people OOG also. Someone take his posting privileges away please.
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.22 09:24:00 -
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Edited by: Icome4u on 22/10/2007 09:25:11
Originally by: Vandalias
Originally by: Icome4u His an iddiot and a noob that just discovered he can bother people OOG also. Someone take his posting privileges away please.
Forum Rules:
4. Be respectful of others at all times. The purpose of the forum is to provide a platform for the exchange of ideas. Occasionally, there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Be courteous when disagreeing with others. It is possible to disagree without being insulting.
Then stop posting your crap kid. You are a troll baiting for flames. You were warned a couple times to stop posting/trolling. Keep going and you'll end up with a nice ban from the forums.
Edit: How many people does it take for you to understand you are wrong and just trolling? 10? 20? 30? I'm couting almost 15 right now, keep going toward the ban kiddo.
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.22 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: Icome4u on 22/10/2007 10:41:04 Most of the posts that say no nerf are actualy pretty constructive. No need for 2 pages long constructive posts. People are direct to the point. (We are doing your job atm CCP. You amazed a lot of people with the stupidity of this idea and raised concerns about the future of this game if their's any...)
So NO to this bias idea, and no to Verone's childish comments.
'We don't have enough firepower so nerf MS!' lol i hope it's not VETO you are representing here.
So glad to see another CCP dev that should get his/hers work contract re-evaluated.
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.22 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: Icome4u on 22/10/2007 10:50:45 If the enemy drops a couple carrier on you, do the same. If you can't then you DON'T deserve to win. Same deal with ANY other ship... they bring in 10 frigs, well bring in 10 and 5 cruisers. They got 20 BS, well bring 5 carrier and 10 BS. Or just bring in 30 BS. If anything carriers help people bring less people.
This idiotic nerf will cause more lag since we need to bring more people to support the carrier. Not to mention it won't be fun to use a carrier or MS anymore... yeah CCP this game is suppose to be FUN so stop making it dull and un-fun to play...
This thread is full of people who whine b/c they don't have the skill/isk/numbers to beat capital ships. Well to bad for you... why should we get nerf because of your incompetence?? Maybe for Formula 1 races the guy in the VIAGRA F1 should ask the Ferrari F1 to slow down because his race car can't keep up... lol wtf... You guys can always chose your fights better and if you can't keep up well move aside and let people who can keep up give a shot at killing the capital ships. Hey go hire MC, i heard they are looking for contracts!
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Posted - 2007.10.22 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sin mez
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia Verone gets a cookie
Also it would help if people could try to look passed their own bias when they reply with constructive criticism.
Takk
PS for the right bribe I can slap, kick or throw stuff at him because he sits right beside me
Do you even play the game? And talking about bias like that when it's pretty obvious you're full of it is disgraceful. What are you thinking? Do you even understand your own playerbase, or for that matter your own game? If one would look at the dev comments without bias they would realize the devs have lost touch in a big way.
/Signed. You just hit the thoughts of a couple thousand players!
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Posted - 2007.10.22 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Icome4u on 22/10/2007 11:03:24
Originally by: The Economist In terms of everything else....leave well alone. Carriers and MS are being used on the front lines (good); carriers and MS are dying left, right and center (good); solo carriers and MS are flying coffins (good); their firepower is, as has been stated many times already neither Godly nor tiny but just about right (good) while itself being vulnerable (good); carriers and ms are simple to counter if you know what you're doing (good); they don't make BS obsolete despite your concerns, just look at average fleet makeups, especially where capitals are involved (good); they aren't solopwnmobiles (good); they can choose between being on the front line, remote repping and comtrolling their fighters directly or sitting back in relative safety and delegating (choice = good); and I don't know wtf you're smoking but a MS cannot kill a BS in 0.2 seconds, obviously you were indulging in hyperbole, but even so....that's a ridiculous and unrealistic claim.
^^That
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Posted - 2007.10.22 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Aenis Veros post
You're missing my point completely.
To be honest, I'm going to sit back and watch this thread.
It's clear to me that there is too much bias... and I admit my own is included there.
For the 0.0 alliances, it's the sheer laziness of not having to delegate fighters in large engagements and the want to win at all costs.
For the small gang combatants who actually want more of an enjoyable engagement than a slideshow and a cynoblob it's the fact they're sick of being carrier bombed at every opportunity even when outnumbered.
Like I said in my first post, it's hilarious that the same people we simply walk away from an engagement with are the ones whining about the changes in this thread.
To clarify... Veto Corp have carrier pilots, we use those carriers when we see fit to SUPPORT A GANG.
Personally, I think these changes are awesome, and I'm gonna get more of my guys into capitals if this comes along.
I use my carriers to support my gang. Never flown it alone i don't want to die. I can say the same thing about 90% of the carrier/MS pilots i know. One MS pilot does use his to pirate in low sec, and i'm sure everyone knows what happen to him...
If you guys keep getting blobed by carriers, STOP PICKING FIGHTS WITH THOSE GUYS. Or simply bring your carriers/dreads. Again, if you can't LEAVE. No need to nerf an entire class of ships because you guys can't kill them w/o bringing the adequate ships/numbers!
EVE = New SWG i tell yah...
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Icome4u
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Posted - 2007.10.22 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
Originally by: Sin mez
Do you even play the game? And talking about bias like that when it's pretty obvious you're full of it is disgraceful. What are you thinking? Do you even understand your own playerbase, or for that matter your own game? If one would look at the dev comments without bias they would realize the devs have lost touch in a big way.
with bias I mean that you need look further then your own win button, that now might become harder to click, we think it will do some good in general but if you disagree then explain why you think it will not meet our goals. That is constructive criticism.
I was hired because Ive been playing for a long time and I am training up for captital ships, we all have here but sometimes you have to do things that even hurt your own win button if you believe it will benefit gameplay on a larger scale.
Go through the 1300ish posts then. The post you made before made you look like a total ass.
You are stating you have been playing for a long time, but not been using capital ships, correct? Well try them out. You will see carriers and motherships are not 'I WIN' buttons, far far from it. Well actually... they are I WIN vs a BS just like a BS is I WIN vs a cruiser... The bigger better ship wins... i think thats normal right?
Their's a good 1300 posts saying no to this nerf, at least 50% of them are constructive. Have fun reading them, I HAVE and it's clear this is a bad idea from CCP.
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Posted - 2007.10.22 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Funkadelic
Originally by: DeadDuck About 1 week ago we were hitting a pos with conventional fleet... a certain alliance cynoed in 6 Motherships and 26 carriers with minimal support... thats where the present status drove things in 0 space... Very nice indeed... we packed things and walk away, they packed things and walk away... lots of fun for bioth sides
And they spent atleast 50 times the amount of isk on ther fleet than you did - Why should they not be sucessful in defending the pos?
Way more than 50 times. But hey if they can't afford it, NERF IT!!! Damn noobs ruining this game...
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Posted - 2007.10.22 23:49:00 -
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UBER FAILED
Man i'm going to be **** (and so will others) if anything like this happens...
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Posted - 2007.10.23 00:07:00 -
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Man tbh re-reading all those posts (blah) i see people are just whining about how they are scared of carriers/MS that get cyno on them (tbh those freash cyno ships are freaking easy to kill with 80ish% of their cap gone...).
To make everyone happy: DON'T do this stupid idea. JAM cyno's near gates.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Wyliee
Originally by: Acacia Everto
No. I wouldn't be dropping a solo carrier on anyone. Is it wrong to want to be able to control my own damn drones though? How about we make it so only three of your guns are user controllable, and make the other three controlled by your gang. And since the Vaga shouldn't be a solopwnmobile either, lets make its MWD gang controllable. After all, it's a gang ship, why should it need to control its own MWD?
what is the purpose of capships? if they ment to be a soloWTFpwn all ship then the way they are is great...
little story... i recently jumped into a low sec system in my pilgrim. inside the gate i sat and watched a wyvern ganking ship after ship with 20+ drones..
every ship that came through that gate died, and should a large fleet turn up..all they can hope to do is chase it away, the amount of mom kills in low sec can be counted on one hand.
is that what moms are for..i dont think so.
Use a scout? Only idiots die to a MS or a carrier. Heck bring a large fleet, bump him and kill him. But to be honest take Titans and MS out of low sec and voila no more noob whining their t1 frigate died to a 1 billion isk officer smartbomb.
Something you guys don't realize, those 'drones' aka fighters cost 20 million isk a peice. He aggros the sentries = those fighters will pop. So he killed a couple ships and lost lets say 4 fighters. Thats 80 million isk down the drain.
Oh and for the 'is that what mooms are for..i dont think so.' Well LOL hey lets make mining modules ONLY work on mining ships. Limit shield modules to certain ship/races oh and everyone MUST fit and use their BS the same way. Last time i checked, when you use an item for another way than it was created for, it's called creativity (within reasons of course). I'm not a 'drone' i do what i want in this game. Heck i live in 0.0 for that reason. I want to use my 60 billion isk officer fitted Wyvern to gank some people. LET ME. I want to mine in it? Who the hell are you to tell me it's wrong?
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Posted - 2007.10.23 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Moraguth
Originally by: Icome4u
Originally by: Wyliee
Originally by: Acacia Everto
No. I wouldn't be dropping a solo carrier on anyone. Is it wrong to want to be able to control my own damn drones though? How about we make it so only three of your guns are user controllable, and make the other three controlled by your gang. And since the Vaga shouldn't be a solopwnmobile either, lets make its MWD gang controllable. After all, it's a gang ship, why should it need to control its own MWD?
what is the purpose of capships? if they ment to be a soloWTFpwn all ship then the way they are is great...
little story... i recently jumped into a low sec system in my pilgrim. inside the gate i sat and watched a wyvern ganking ship after ship with 20+ drones..
every ship that came through that gate died, and should a large fleet turn up..all they can hope to do is chase it away, the amount of mom kills in low sec can be counted on one hand.
is that what moms are for..i dont think so.
Use a scout? Only idiots die to a MS or a carrier. Heck bring a large fleet, bump him and kill him. But to be honest take Titans and MS out of low sec and voila no more noob whining their t1 frigate died to a 1 billion isk officer smartbomb.
Something you guys don't realize, those 'drones' aka fighters cost 20 million isk a peice. He aggros the sentries = those fighters will pop. So he killed a couple ships and lost lets say 4 fighters. Thats 80 million isk down the drain.
Oh and for the 'is that what mooms are for..i dont think so.' Well LOL hey lets make mining modules ONLY work on mining ships. Limit shield modules to certain ship/races oh and everyone MUST fit and use their BS the same way. Last time i checked, when you use an item for another way than it was created for, it's called creativity (within reasons of course). I'm not a 'drone' i do what i want in this game. Heck i live in 0.0 for that reason. I want to use my 60 billion isk officer fitted Wyvern to gank some people. LET ME. I want to mine in it? Who the hell are you to tell me it's wrong?
HA! I'll tell you it's wrong every time i see you, but i'm sure as hell not going to try to change the rules of the game because i think you're being an idiot (mining with a mom) or an ass hole (camping a gate in lowsec). hehe, not actually calling you those things, cause i doubt you're doing them, but the point is you CAN do that because that's what this game is about. If I don't like it, I'm just gonna have to get some friends and come kill you to make you change your ways, THAT'S what this game is about.
=D
Yupp so you see my point! People whine about gate campers (i personaly ONLY kill reds thats it. I don't go looking for fights unless you **** me off then you die with absolutely no chance :)). I also don't mine in my epeen :p
But yeah, CCP is really disgusting me. They think that it's THEIR game and they want everyone to fit in their EVEDream... well thats not how it works. They provide a service we PAY for. They really need to wake up from their little clouds before it's to late and they kill this game. It's way way to late to comepletly change a class around. What they should do (if they want to keep their jobs) is just make support a better role... 70 pages of information they can use here. Heck they open a convo with me i'll be glad to tell them what to do for free. They get to fire the dumbass who had the idea stated in the Dev Blog and their their 'support class ships' they always wanted w/o ****ing off 95% of the community... but heh CCP = FAILS atm.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Baun Carriers are definitely solo pwn mobiles that can wtf*****all ships smaller than them without any support.
O wait: http://killboard.net/details/201246/
This carrier didn't even have a single BS contribute to its death and it still died to less than a dozen ships, only half of which were t2!
Holy crap carriers are way too awesome, lets just delete them all from the game!
That carrier stood no chance.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 03:39:00 -
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How to 'balance' carriers and MS w/o ****ing off 95% of the EVE community:
Simple things to be done: #1 Supercapitals can't go in low sec. #2 Carriers can't be damp. #3 When in triage mode you are immune to all form of electronic warfare and support (like siege mode). +50% cap regenaration bonus. #4 Gate jams cyno, so no more dropping capital ships on gates. #5 Capital Shield Transporter (CST) should have the same fitting requirement as the Capital Remote Armor Repairer (CRAR), #6 More range for CST and CRAM (50km max range just isn't enough). #7 50% less usage for CST and CRAM (Might be to much especially with the +50% cap regen in Triage mode)
Voila, Carriers and MS will now DPS support and Logistic (heal) support their gang/fleet! You won't also have a couple thousand people canceling their subscription.
If you are still scared that everyone will be flying carriers, then augment their price OR introduce new capital ships or new BS modules to fight capital ships.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Knarfis Edited by: Knarfis on 23/10/2007 03:46:57 Stufff
Ok... thanks for stating the oblivious. Still doesn't change the fact that CCP's idea is stupid/idiotic.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: Vandalias Edited by: Vandalias on 23/10/2007 05:22:54
Originally by: Cadela Fria And I don't like straw minded people with nothing better to do then try and sound clever where they obviously have their butt attached to their brain. Whether you like it or not Manas, the argumant is true and relevant, and I honestly thought you of all people knew better.
I make solid arguments against the idea, I do so constructively and I constantly urge people not to attack Zulupark as he is just the messenger, and this isn't his idea alone. If you have a problem with that, then I say, too bad, go troll somewhere else.
Whaa!! my carrier costs infinite times more than 1 billion ibis, but the 1 billion ibis still can kill my carrier....
Its not a valid argument since the situations are completely different. 1 carrier is not equivalent to 10 hacs for the simple fact that the 10 hacs require 10 pilots to fly them, so comparing them isn't useful.
Edit: Technically it might be closer to a false analogy than an actual strawman if you prefer.
Dude you have already been warned to stop trolling. LEAVE.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 18:00:00 -
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Guys cancel your accounts, you are being treated like SH*T. CCP has ZERO respect for it's customers.
If this goes through ill be contacting newspapers. Maybe if CCP gets a lot of bad rep from it's own customers they will realize we DON'T appreciate being treated like sh*t.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 18:10:00 -
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Just cancel them now. This will teach them not to treat us like crap. If they don't implement this then just resubscribe you won't lose any money.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 18:12:00 -
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Your account is set to expire on 29. October 2007 Your account is set to expire on 27. October 2007 Your account is set to expire on 29. October 2007
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Posted - 2007.10.23 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Abathur Edited by: CCP Abathur on 23/10/2007 18:40:56
Ladies and Gentlemen, this has to do with the upcoming drone and fighter bandwidth and is not related to the delegation idea. The test server gets updated daily and as Trinity gets closer to release you will likely see a lot of things happening there. We are also working on an updated new dev blog to outline our concerns and plans for carriers. Please do not jump to conclusions and be patient. Thank you.
Not good enough. All 3 cancelation still pending. Ball is in your court CCP, you have A LOT of angry customers.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Cyan Nuevo I hope all of you threatening to cancel your accounts actually do. I am totally disgusted to even be associated with this "community" right now.
Grow up?
1/10 for trolling. Seen much better.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: SirMolly
Originally by: Icome4u
Originally by: CCP Abathur Edited by: CCP Abathur on 23/10/2007 18:40:56
Ladies and Gentlemen, this has to do with the upcoming drone and fighter bandwidth and is not related to the delegation idea. The test server gets updated daily and as Trinity gets closer to release you will likely see a lot of things happening there. We are also working on an updated new dev blog to outline our concerns and plans for carriers. Please do not jump to conclusions and be patient. Thank you.
Not good enough. All 3 cancelation still pending. Ball is in your court CCP, you have A LOT of angry customers.
And a lot of customers that are actually satisfied with the comming change. "Capital Ships Online" ftl.
Well if they want the minority (someone stated it was 0.5% or 5% of the community that want this to happen) to be happy then good for you. CCP will lose a couple thousand players and probably end up like SWG (that would be dead fyi).
Also impersonating someone else is a violation of the EULA. Maybe you should look into that before you get your account ban.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:32:00 -
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As far as i know those things need to be done:
#1 Not go through with this idea. #2 Public apology from CCP for proposing this 'idea'. #3 Public apology from the Dev's that posted rude/disrespectful comments (one of them being CCP Eris) toward their customers. #4 Supercapitals shouldn't be allowed in low sec. #5 Put Rev III and Trinity II online.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Baloan Edited by: Baloan on 23/10/2007 19:33:36 lol, its quite funny to read...so many ppl whines....eve is more than carrier fights...but...u SEE..the dumb ppl, that whining about that nerf. they cancel there acc..roofl...
but...i think eve is nothing for there, if they cant kill SOLO any others.
and btw: we fought many wars WITHOUT the carriers - and it works. the nerf is to bind the carriers in a GROUP, not as a solo weapon. imho its a good nerf for groupplaying and ANOTHER tactical ways.
so stop whining about - and cancel ure accs...its like in a wow forum...
I do what i want with my ships. You have no rights, same with CCP, to FORCE me what to do.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kartala Edited by: Kartala on 23/10/2007 19:36:58
Quote: I do what i want with my ships. You have no rights, same with CCP, to FORCE me what to do.
u can do, what ccp is want to do..;)
I can if i want to. But i don't want to be FORCE to do it. Especialy when their idea sucks (logistic modules aren't good enough to put a carrier/MS at risk).
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: SirMolly Don't get soft CCP, otherwise there will be endless amount of whineage every nerf. You know what's best for your game.
Apparently they don't. Especially when you have people that have been playing the game from day 1 canceling their accounts. But hey you wouldn't know anything about that noob.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ztrain
Originally by: Icome4u
Originally by: SirMolly Don't get soft CCP, otherwise there will be endless amount of whineage every nerf. You know what's best for your game.
Apparently they don't. Especially when you have people that have been playing the game from day 1 canceling their accounts. But hey you wouldn't know anything about that noob.
No he's 100% correct. They need to fix lag. But they don't have the programming skills to fix their software so they only way they can reduce lag is by reducing the population.
Z
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria Edited by: Cadela Fria on 23/10/2007 21:17:51
Originally by: CCP Abathur Update - We've been working hard to address your concerns. There will be a new dev blog up very soon which should hopefully clarify things a bit. Hang in there, guys and gals.
Clarfying does not imply abandoning the idea, only saying it in another way while still sticking to the original plan, or something similar.
^^That!
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Arshes Nei This is really getting out of hand. Whatever you think about these changes, getting angry and calling devs names wont help anybody. Those guys at ccp are doing their job, they dont want to ruin your gameplay, murder your dog or snatch your girlfriend from you, so everybody calm down a bit.
And those people who have lost all faith in the devteam, who cancel their accounts over mere ideas getting discussed, and are ready to always believe the worst. This change is not the problem. Your government is not trying to read your mind, and ccp is not trying to ruin their own game for some wicked agenda. If you think the guys at ccp are such lowlifes, for the sake of god, just quit already and spare all of us thinking otherwise having to read that crap again and again.
For the record, im against the change also. But that is no excuse to act like a ******, i can disagree with people without questioning their sanity/qualification for life/job. In the end its just a game, and its ccp's job to try making it fun for everyone. You dont have fun? Quit. But give them a damn chance to atleast explain their reasons, and no that doesnt mean pointing a gun to their head saying "do it now".
Sorry but that had to get out.
Being nice doesn't work. They only answer to threats. So the threats are here, hundreds of accounts being canceled. Give it a weak and it will be thousands. Lets see if CCP actually has some smart DEV's and NOT go through with this stupid idea.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Wigglytuff Personally I like the nerf to carriers.
Whine all you people want at me, they're imbalanced as far as PVP goes, just like the moros, and both are imbalanced for the same damn reasons.
However I think the nerf should only apply to two things:
1. Drones 2. MS max fighters, make the pilot able to control 15, and the other 0-10 they can delegate to others.
No more carriers being able to smite every ship they see, MS stay stronger in offense and still more useful via delegation of as many fighters as they want, and they still have their immunities and ecm of doom.
Only idiots die to a carrier or a MS. You ether can tank them, or run away. Sure you can't kill them but you CAN kill their fighters. 20 million isk a peice, i say thats pretty damn freaking fun to kill.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: 0R1NOCO WTB: The ships the devs are confusing with carriers. Seriously.
^^THAT!
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Hysidee
Originally by: Icome4u In 1 year everyone will be in dreads. Lets have gang mates control the dread guns like they control POS guns! The coding is pretty much ready!
2 theories: You are looking to be hired by ccp for this nerf, i men great idea to reduce lag or You have inside info on the next big step in "balancing" capital ships
Does this mean a titan will need a support fleet worshipping (orbitting) around it to gain enough power to let a DD off? (have an image of worshippers from Black and White now in my head)
Titans next balance is quite simple (we don't work hard at CCP m'kay). You need +100 people in gang to be able to DD.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Abathur Update - We've been working hard to address your concerns. There will be a new dev blog up very soon which should hopefully clarify things a bit. Hang in there, guys and gals.
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Posted - 2007.10.24 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mundem Pashdale Icome4u, I lol'd
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Posted - 2007.10.24 01:01:00 -
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Edited by: Icome4u on 24/10/2007 01:01:48 To summon it up.
No they are not nerfing it like this now. Yes they will nerf it in the future (but in a 'different' way).
Edit: i'm still waiting for my apology from CCP.
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Posted - 2007.10.24 01:06:00 -
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My accounts are staying canceled until i see something satisfactory. You guys should do the same.
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