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Gyle Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.10.21 18:02:00 - [1] Check out the worst idea ever The worst idea ever Ok so youve spent 30 bill buying a mothership. Youve spent another 20-30 kitting it. You think "i know theyve been uber nurfed with the dictors and all and yes they are dropping like flies all over the galaxy" But they still at least have the ability to defend themselves and in the right situation there aweome. Not anymore if this change goes through. A mothership will officialy now just be the equivelent to two carriers. way to go guys great thinking. !he titans are already pointless (now dictors can tank DD) and now you want to make moms useless as well. Stop crapping over the older players guys. Make this change and ill quit eve.
Gyle Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.10.21 18:07:00 - [2] I know there is another thread. And there is gonna be many more. this is an example of how poor this idea is
Gyle Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.10.21 18:38:00 - [3] Originally by: Norjia Blacksteel Originally by: Jacob Castillo I like it. Just deal with the fact that your Nyx won't be the solopwnmobile it once was. Agreed. I like their idea the carriers are really big, bad-ass support ships. Makes a lot more sense to me than being a solopwnmobile. Its all interesting that you guys are presenting you opinions but since you have never flown a cap you dont really know enough about thier roles to be commenting on it. Trust me its a terrible terrible idea.
Gyle Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.10.21 20:02:00 - [4] Edited by: Gyle on 21/10/2007 20:03:05 Originally by: Vandalias Quit trying to balance based on ship price. Its not about price its about class of vessle and wiping one 2 off the fface of the planet. since you dont fly em you therefor dont know much about them you shouldnt be commenting.
Gyle Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.10.23 01:10:00 - [5] Originally by: Vandalias Edited by: Vandalias on 21/10/2007 21:56:05 Originally by: Gyle Its not about price its about class of vessle and wiping one 2 off the fface of the planet. since you dont fly em you therefor dont know much about them you shouldnt be commenting. Also quit with this "you don't fly them so stfu" stuff as well... not only is it a big assumption on your part, but its pretty irrelevant to the argument. Carriers don't need 20 drones to kill a BS. They don't need 20 fighters to kill a BS. A carrier will beat a BS quite handily with 5 drones/fighters, granted it will take longer but the carrier will still win in the end. Its pretty obvious that CCP doesn't want them to be solo ships so its pretty useless to argue that they won't be able to solo properly after the change... that seems to be the entire point. Fly with support or fly something else. I made the assumption on a very clear point. You are defneding the prospect of this nerf. This in itself proves my point and the fact that you havent tried tell us different proves it even further. At the end of the day most of the people who are commenting in all these threads have long term experiance with carriers and or motherships themsleves. Hence the outrage at this whole prospect as these are the people that it affects and also know what they are talking about. In one of the other posts one of he devs asks people to stop being biased. And yet the only people that are defending this are people that havent showed the commitemnt or loyalty to ccp to actualy atain these ships. Thes are the "real" biased players. They are the ones rubbing their hands together saying. "HAHA, now no-one will have a larger ship then me" BTW many BS setup right can tank ten fighters from a thanatos. Proving a carrier will now be defenceless. do a bit more homework before posting next time bro...
Gyle Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.10.23 01:16:00 - [6] Originally by: kessah Im sorry but no amount of isk should permit a solo pwnmobile - most of the super rich are rich because of fluke, t2 bpo drop before invention or a chance officer spawn even a lucky kill, but very few earn it threw mining or from actually 'working' for them and if they do they do so with a fleet of miners and group activity. With that fleet comes gang warfare which is what there for. Not someone buying isk or finally selling that valuable t2 bpo becus of the recent nerf and being able to buy the biggest and best ship in game. In fairness though - most use these ships in Lowsec because theres no real risk (x13 killed a nubbin mom pilot not taking anything away from that, still a good kill) I shall be happy to see any nerf agaisnt these ships, am seeing far to many of them in lowsec let alone 0.0 where ive tried to escape this sort of combat completely by remaining in low sec. This im my opinion anyways. Your an idot. becuase you dont understand that carriers and even motherships are NOT solopwnmobils. You may have lost a BS to one but guess what its out of your class and thats normal. takes these suckers into a cap on cap fight and you would have a better understanding. Jezzus all you need to disable a friken carrier is one DAM ARAZU!!! so explain how you have put them on this pedestal? Oh and keep up with the news. motherships are dropping like flies all over the friken galaxy. X13 killed Mpires one in lowsec the other day for gods sake!!!! please guys post if you know what your talking about. If your not sure just be quiet.
Gyle Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.10.23 03:09:00 - [7] sign my petiition you anti-nerfers The best petition in the world
Gyle Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.10.23 05:25:00 - [8] Originally by: Vandalias Originally by: Gyle I made the assumption on a very clear point. You are defneding the prospect of this nerf. This in itself proves my point and the fact that you havent tried tell us different proves it even further. At the end of the day most of the people who are commenting in all these threads have long term experiance with carriers and or motherships themsleves. Hence the outrage at this whole prospect as these are the people that it affects and also know what they are talking about. In one of the other posts one of he devs asks people to stop being biased. And yet the only people that are defending this are people that havent showed the commitemnt or loyalty to ccp to actualy atain these ships. Thes are the "real" biased players. They are the ones rubbing their hands together saying. "HAHA, now no-one will have a larger ship then me" BTW many BS setup right can tank ten fighters from a thanatos. Proving a carrier will now be defenceless. do a bit more homework before posting next time bro... Very good example of a situational ad hominem. Basically you are saying I don't fly carriers therefore I am for the changes purely for that reason and my thoughts on the matter are therefore invalid, likewise it could be said that you fly carriers therefore you are against the changes purely for that reason and your thoughts on the matter are equally invalid. Well both of those statements are invalid arguments. You/my particular situation is irrelevant to the discussion. Argue the points made, not the person making the points. I, like everyone else posting in these threads, have made copius arguments why this should not happen. The fact that everyone else is in aggreement with me is a point in itself. But there is another simple factor. The ludicrous proposal itself. Just by stating that you are for it proves you dont know what your talking about. If you had any significant pvp or logistical experience with carriers then you quiet simply wouldnt be for these proposals. QED I know you will find this hard to understand but im affraid it will just validate my points further
Gyle Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.10.23 06:28:00 - [9] Originally by: Vandalias Originally by: Gyle I, like everyone else posting in these threads, have made copius arguments why this should not happen. The fact that everyone else is in aggreement with me is a point in itself. But there is another simple factor. The ludicrous proposal itself. Just by stating that you are for it proves you dont know what your talking about. If you had any significant pvp or logistical experience with carriers then you quiet simply wouldnt be for these proposals. QED I know you will find this hard to understand but im affraid it will just validate my points further Not a terribly convincing point though. Well, for one, I don't believe I have ever stated that I am for this change (feel free to prove me wrong), but even if I had your conclusion does not logically follow. One could have plenty of experience with carrier ships and still support the proposed changes for a variety of reasos. Your personal opinions of the change are not necessarily fact and your personal opinions of what others should believe are not necessarily correct. Actualy the logic behind it is sound. Forgive me if i misinterpreted you. But i naturaly assumed that since you were playing devils advocate to everyone that had somthing negative to say about these proposals that you thought them a good idea. you have made several comments such as "quit trying to balance ships on isk price" or words to that effect. In that perticular statment you were rebuffing the comments of one individual who happened to bring isk in the equation. TBH i aggree with him to a point. One ship type that is more costly to use, more difficult to use and requires excesivly more time to train for should OMGWTFPWN somthing that a noob can get into inside of 2 weeks. You can say what you like about that but sorry thats the case and there is no debate. I apologise for getting slightly irrate later and accusing you of knowing too little to comment. But in a way I have another valid point as later in the same post you go on to say a carrier will still beat a BS with 5 fighters. It wont (unless the BS pilot is an idiot). 1 BS wont beat it either. But it will be a stalemate. By you not knowing that and by playing devils advocate and coming accross as pro-proposal you cant be surprised by my reaction. if you are sitting on the fence and have not real comment to say for or against it then why are you posting? Fact is that the overwhelming majority of eve beleive this is a terrible idea. So maybe nobody can ever state anything as fact but it is hard to argue with the entire community. And in rebutle to your earlier point It is not only that carrier pilots vs the non carrier pilots in this. There are plenty of no cap pilots posting against these proposals. But virtualy none from actual carrier pilots saying they are for it. At the end of the day i challenge you to pick a side rather then argunig with people who have thousands of man hours invested through ingame playtesting of these ships and know in their hearts that this will mark the demise of eve.

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