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Barbens
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Posted - 2007.10.22 08:17:00 -
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Back in the days when you had to go to the other side of the gate at 15 - 20 km alligned with the gate you just came from...oh wait, you never had to make your gate to gate BM's. Quit being lazy, and fly your ship there. If you dont have the time to watch it, then 15km should be no problem...
BaRbEnS
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Typhoon Class
Celta's Cross
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Posted - 2007.10.22 08:20:00 -
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Autopilot Skillbook sounds good to me.
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.22 08:44:00 -
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Who here complains about not being able to pass 'Go' in Monopoly when a card says you can't, while your opponent waltzes on through and collects his 200 bucks? ---
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.22 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: LuzArius If you sit there and manually travel it would be the same thing as going on autopilot through high sec. What is the difference? Instead of having to worry about clicking you can do other things like monitor the market or chat with your friends. I don't see the harm.
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Unvisibility
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Posted - 2007.10.22 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: LuzArius I heard that at one point players were allowed to autopilot within 0m of a gate, but now for some reason CCP changed it to 15km.
Sorry, but you heard wrong. Infact, as I'm sure you've gathered from the usual collection of rude responses that is characteristic of the EVE forums, it's the other way round. You didn't used to be able to warp to 0 at all, you could only warp to 15km, even manually, hence all the instabookmarks people are talking about.
As for why you can't autopilot to 0, well, it's so that the few remaining lowsec pirates in the game still have *some* chance to get targets - people so lazy and stupid that they AFK autopilot through lowsec get ganked, and rightly so.
EVE is about learning things the hard way, it's supposed to be about risk vs reward (although that's been pretty broken for a long time now) and it's supposed to be a harsh, dangerous, cold, dark, scary place. Autopilot-to-0 would remove the last vestiges of that fear and adrenaline, so no, it's never going to happen.
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Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.10.22 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: LuzArius I heard that at one point players were allowed to autopilot within 0m of a gate, but now for some reason CCP changed it to 15km. I would like to say that this really sucks. There is no logical explanation for making autopilot warp within 15km of a gate.
You heard wrong. Prior to Revelations everything was warp to 15km. CCP only added WTZ to get rid of all the instant warp bookmarks that people made to warp right on top of warpgates. This was done mainly because since people were already evading the 15km restriction by jumping manually, making it an official feature didn't change gameplay significantly, and by making all those instas obsolete a lot of server capacity could be freed up. AP was left at 15 because people on AP weren't using instas anyway, and it was considered a fair compromise between on one hand allowing people that warped manually to reduce their travel time and exposure, while on the other not making unattended travel worry free.
Next time, please do not get angry over something just because you heard the wrong version of how a feature was changed. Get your facts straight first. AP never supported WTZ zo complaining about it being changed to that is idiotic.
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Bacci Galu
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.22 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: LuzArius I heard that at one point players were allowed to autopilot within 0m of a gate, but now for some reason CCP changed it to 15km. I would like to say that this really sucks. There is no logical explanation for making autopilot warp within 15km of a gate.
You would think in the 423rd century technology would be advanced enough to allow a ship to autopilot within a close range of a jumpgate and jump. Come on people you know i'm right.
I'm asking CCP to change autopilot so it will warp to within 0m. If that is seriously too much to ask then AT LEAST let us train a skill called "Autopilot", for each level your ship warps 3km closer to a gate and can handle the highly technological demands of warping close to a gate automatically. LOL. AT LEAST GIVE US THE AUTOPILOT SKILL.
I know this may not bother a lot of you, but it bothers me a great deal. I want to be able to autopilot in high sec space within 0m of a jump gate.
Luzarius
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Eck Stacy
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Posted - 2007.10.22 14:16:00 -
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We could just make it like guild wars
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Maltitol
Gallente Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.22 14:20:00 -
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lol
did you play the game when wtz didnt exist? if so, then you have no grounds for your complaint, and if not.. well.. what you have now is a blessing and a real pain in the ass depending on how you look at it.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well boohoo.
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RaTTuS
BIG Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.10.22 14:32:00 -
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There was a time when the Auto-pilot did not exist.
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Dkorg
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Posted - 2007.10.22 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: LuzArius Oh yea? CCP wants you to play the game? Are you high? Look at the skill training system, it promotes AFK SKILL LEVELING. CCP wants you to be able to go afk and still train your skills. What is the difference between that and going afk while traveling? So your point is moot.
I love when newbs think this way. You are missing a fundamental part of EvE. If you hand a 40m sp character to player with no experience and a 10m sp character to a vet the vet will pwn. Player skill is vastly more important than skill points.
Quote: As for human error, you must realize the ships in 423rd century RELY a lot on "Automated" Systems. In the games logics there are systems 98239123 times more complex than a silly autopilot mechanism.
RL examples are The Fail. You're talking about a game where you have limited speed in space. You have sound. What about faster than light communication and travel? Since you're arguing realism you have to argue against all these things.
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Shakuul
Caldari O RLY corp YTMND.
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Posted - 2007.10.22 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ackaroth I said trading was fun for people, not travelling. After your first month in eve, you have seen just about all it has to offer as far as system backgrounds and planets. I dont know anyone who enjoys travelling long distances through eve. If you would have just read what I typed, I said people enjoy trading. Once you do in fact get to your destination, cornering the market, or getting in on a juicy profit because you had the foresight to stock up on some module, is apparently fun to a niche crowd. So let them sit at their computer and rush to what they consider fun, or let them go afk and it take longer.
Surely you aren't debating that traders enjoy what they do...
I'm just suggesting that a boring, worthless part of trading and moving around in general (excessive travel times/excessive attention required to reduce travel times) be removed.
Originally by: Ackaroth Unless I'm mistaken, datacores arent all that heavy, plenty of people move them around in interceptors. If you are old enough in eve to be hauling around expensive stuff, upgrade your gear. T2 haulers are a pain in the backside to suicide gank, ask around. Passive tank it and afk your way around if you so choose, you will probably be fine.
Why punish others because you choose to fly t1 haulers with too much money floating around inside them?
How is anyone punished if you add autopilot WTZ?
Originally by: Vitrael
Originally by: LuzArius I know this may not bother a lot of you, but it bothers me a great deal.
Then quit now. CCP never wanted you to be able to play the game on autopilot and you never will.
Chances are you don't remember when warping to 0 was impossible without a hilariously complicated system of bookmarks and are taking the luxury for granted.
Its not a luxury, its a feature that should have been added a long time ago. If you think 'right click> warp to within 0km' constitutes playing EVE, I don't know where you get your idea of fun from.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest BROTHER'S WORD
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Posted - 2007.10.22 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Frug on 22/10/2007 21:50:33 There sure are a lot of pointless annoying stupid trolls flaming newbies in this thread. "OMG the OP must be a moron or a troll because he said he heard autopilot used to wtz" He's a moron or a troll because he hasn't been playing that long? seriously, stfu.
And this comparison that "modern aircraft can't autopilot to land on aircraft carriers or to dodge missiles" is likewise pretty stupid. Modern aircraft CAN land automatically in most situations.
He's making a valid request, and the olbies in here are just showing their stripes flaming like babies.
Also, the new player experience does nothing to explain what warp to 0 is or the fact that AP doesn't do it. At the very least, that needs addressing.
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Christari Zuborov
Amarr Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.22 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Frug Edited by: Frug on 22/10/2007 21:50:33 There sure are a lot of pointless annoying stupid trolls flaming newbies in this thread. "OMG the OP must be a moron or a troll because he said he heard autopilot used to wtz" He's a moron or a troll because he hasn't been playing that long? seriously, stfu.
And this comparison that "modern aircraft can't autopilot to land on aircraft carriers or to dodge missiles" is likewise pretty stupid. Modern aircraft CAN land automatically in most situations.
He's making a valid request, and the olbies in here are just showing their stripes flaming like babies.
Also, the new player experience does nothing to explain what warp to 0 is or the fact that AP doesn't do it. At the very least, that needs addressing.
We'll address what needs to be addressed at the time an announcement is announced. You're officially now on a need to know basis, as of yet there's no basis or need for you to know.
In short, stfu>fo.
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Vodka Neat
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.10.22 22:38:00 -
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Okay so either:
A) CCP does not promote AFK play. In which case it is working since you are not as effective as you would be not AFK.
B) CCP does promote AFK play. In which case they gave you a tool that allows you to go AFK it may take slightly longer and more importantly be riskier but they gave you the option.
Either way you look at it CCP will not allow any AFK player to be as effective as one that sits at the PC while playing.
Why are you still reading? Its over. Continue to the next post.
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