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TheBlueMonkey Natural Progression 8	Posted - 2012.01.25 15:49:00 - [1] - Quote So in WoW you chose a PvE server, killed lots of big monsters and felt like a boss. Eve's different, it's just one PvP server. No matter what you do from buying 1 unit of tritanium to leading a 2000 man fleet it's all rooted in PvP. This is something you need to accept, sure there are ways of mitigating the chances that someone will turn up and shoot at you but ultimately if you want to lone wolf and do no PvP, go play the X3: The Threat. This really isn't a troll post, I just don't get why people would sign up to a PvP game (even mining and selling the ore is pvp) and then complain about it.
Ursula LeGuinn 85	Posted - 2012.01.25 15:51:00 - [2] - Quote TheBlueMonkey wrote: Eve's different, it's just one PvP server. No matter what you do from buying 1 unit of tritanium to leading a 2000 man fleet it's all rooted in PvP. But I can get 1 unit of trit by docking in a pod.... "The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community."-áGÇö-áEVElopedia
TheBlueMonkey Natural Progression 8	Posted - 2012.01.25 15:53:00 - [3] - Quote Ursula LeGuinn wrote: TheBlueMonkey wrote: Eve's different, it's just one PvP server. No matter what you do from buying 1 unit of tritanium to leading a 2000 man fleet it's all rooted in PvP. But I can get 1 unit of trit by docking in a pod.... want me to edit that to "selling 1 unit of trit"
Jafit McJafitson Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 194	Posted - 2012.01.25 15:55:00 - [4] - Quote The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game?
Tiberius Sunstealer Phantom Soulreavers Axiom Solaris 86	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:03:00 - [5] - Quote Jafit McJafitson wrote: so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? I thought there was a whole trailer dedicated to it.
Ocih Space Mermaids 67	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:05:00 - [6] - Quote Feel free to lobby CCP to make all of New Eden null sec.
TheBlueMonkey Natural Progression 8	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:08:00 - [7] - Quote Ocih wrote: Feel free to lobby CCP to make all of New Eden null sec. It used to be, know your history
Ocih Space Mermaids 67	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:10:00 - [8] - Quote TheBlueMonkey wrote: Ocih wrote: Feel free to lobby CCP to make all of New Eden null sec. It used to be, know your history Is it now? Why?
TheBlueMonkey Natural Progression 8	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:20:00 - [9] - Quote Ocih wrote: TheBlueMonkey wrote: Ocih wrote: Feel free to lobby CCP to make all of New Eden null sec. It used to be, know your history Is it now? Why? I'm not saying everywhere should be null. There are advantages of having areas that make it easier to get into the game now the community has grown to the size it is. This doesn't stop it from being a pvp game though and by signing up you need to accept this.
Ocih Space Mermaids 67	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:23:00 - [10] - Quote TheBlueMonkey wrote: Ocih wrote: TheBlueMonkey wrote: Ocih wrote: Feel free to lobby CCP to make all of New Eden null sec. It used to be, know your history Is it now? Why? I'm not saying everywhere should be null. There are advantages of having areas that make it easier to get into the game now the community has grown to the size it is. This doesn't stop it from being a pvp game though and by signing up you need to accept this. Again, lobby CCP because they are the ones who say it isn't a PvP game. It is sold as a sandbox with PvP freedom.

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4545	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:30:00 - [11] - Quote Ocih wrote: Again, lobby CCP because they are the ones who say it isn't a PvP game. It is sold as a sandbox with PvP freedom. A.K.A a PvP game where everything it it being some form of PvP, feeding a PvP market that is fed by a (PvP) war economy. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
TheBlueMonkey Natural Progression 8	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:30:00 - [12] - Quote Ocih wrote: TheBlueMonkey wrote: Ocih wrote: TheBlueMonkey wrote: Ocih wrote: Feel free to lobby CCP to make all of New Eden null sec. It used to be, know your history Is it now? Why? I'm not saying everywhere should be null. There are advantages of having areas that make it easier to get into the game now the community has grown to the size it is. This doesn't stop it from being a pvp game though and by signing up you need to accept this. Again, lobby CCP because they are the ones who say it isn't a PvP game. It is sold as a sandbox with PvP freedom. Links or it didn't happen. To me "sandbox with PvP freedom" means "PvP Sandbox" which means "a game with PvP at it's core". If they really mean that "It's not pvp in high sec" why are Concord a consequence to your action and not a prevention? oh and quit going on about "lobbying" people, like I'm that invested in the game. If they turn it pure PvE or PvP only in 0.0 I'll just quit and go play something else.
Ocih Space Mermaids 67	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:38:00 - [13] - Quote Tippia wrote: Ocih wrote: Again, lobby CCP because they are the ones who say it isn't a PvP game. It is sold as a sandbox with PvP freedom. A.K.A a PvP game where everything it it being some form of PvP, feeding a PvP market that is fed by a (PvP) war economy. And I will say it again. Throw down the gauntlet. It doesn't matter what I think it is. Talk to CCP. It's thier game and they don't agree.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4545	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:40:00 - [14] - Quote Ocih wrote: It doesn't matter what I think it is. Talk to CCP. It's thier game and they don't agree. GÇªexcept that they're the ones saying that. So no, they most certainly agree GÇö it's their entire sales pitch. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Valei Khurelem 226	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:41:00 - [15] - Quote Quote: This doesn't stop it from being a pvp game though and by signing up you need to accept this. I want this game to be a PVP Sandbox, not a gank-anyone-who-looks-at-you-funny box, if this game had nothing but 0.0 space I guarantee you it would be dead as the rest of 0.0 space within a month. The thing about this game is, when you die, you're done, you have to go back to grinding ISK again, no one wants to do that, you have to be in a huge group to use the cheap ass frigates effectively and while that might be fun for alliances etc. what about the people who just want to play the game every now and then or roam about in small groups? "don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium
Ocih Space Mermaids 67	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:41:00 - [16] - Quote TheBlueMonkey wrote: Links or it didn't happen. To me "sandbox with PvP freedom" means "PvP Sandbox" which means "a game with PvP at it's core". If they really mean that "It's not pvp in high sec" why are Concord a consequence to your action and not a prevention? oh and quit going on about "lobbying" people, like I'm that invested in the game. If they turn it pure PvE or PvP only in 0.0 I'll just quit and go play something else. Show me where CCP said EVE was a PvP game.
Lyron-Baktos Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle 34	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:43:00 - [17] - Quote lol, eve is not listed as solely a PVP game google has - EVE allows you to discover, explore and dominate an amazing science fiction universe while you fight, trade, form corporations and alliances with other players. On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4545	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:44:00 - [18] - Quote Ocih wrote: Show me where CCP said EVE was a PvP game. What is EVE Online? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Tore Vest 158	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:46:00 - [19] - Quote I want CONCORD everywhere Highsec carebear... and proud of it
Othran Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 151	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:47:00 - [20] - Quote TheBlueMonkey wrote: So in WoW you chose a PvE server, killed lots of big monsters and felt like a boss. Eve's different, it's just one PvP server. No matter what you do from buying 1 unit of tritanium to leading a 2000 man fleet it's all rooted in PvP. This is something you need to accept, sure there are ways of mitigating the chances that someone will turn up and shoot at you but ultimately if you want to lone wolf and do no PvP, go play the X3: The Threat. This really isn't a troll post, I just don't get why people would sign up to a PvP game (even mining and selling the ore is pvp) and then complain about it. People don't believe that Eve is actually what game forums say. ie they don't believe that you can kill anyone anywhere or scam anyone and that's fine. That and we periodically get the fallout from failed/failing space games - eg Celestial Horizon was the corp for people from EaB and the "griefer scum" wailing was epic then. Some of them adapted (very well) but most quit. Eve is a Darwinian game at heart - adapt (evolve) or die (quit) and most anything goes. I think that's why it still exists - unlike most MMOs launched 9 years ago.

Ocih Space Mermaids 67	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:49:00 - [21] - Quote Tippia wrote: Ocih wrote: Show me where CCP said EVE was a PvP game. What is EVE Online? Checked your link. PvP - Text not found Player versus Player - Text not found http://www.eveonline.com/features/ I checked there too. Never saw mention of PvP only or PvP at all for that matter.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4545	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:49:00 - [22] - Quote Ocih wrote: Checked your link. Try reading it as well. Just because people are too illiterate to read or to stupid to understand what they read doesn't change the fact that CCP markets and presents the game as a near-100% PvP envronment. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Ocih Space Mermaids 67	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:52:00 - [23] - Quote Tippia wrote: Ocih wrote: Checked your link. Try reading it as well. Just because people are too illiterate to read or to stupid to understand what they read doesn't change the fact that CCP markets and presents the game as a near-100% PvP envronment. "In EVE you are free to choose your own destiny. You start out as a character from one of four races that inhabit the EVE universe but apart from slightly different starting skills you are free to take your character in any direction you want. You are not restricted by predefined character classes or professions. You can trade to make a living, conduct mining operations, market your fighting skills as a mercenary, camp the spacelanes for profit as a pirate, conduct espionage and infiltration, focus on research and manufacturing, or perform increasingly profitable missions for NPC (non player controlled, run by the EVE system) agents. What you choose to do day by day is up to you. You can play alone, form a corporation (equivalent of clan or guild) with a close group of friends or seek entrance to any of the large player run corporations and alliances already established. The EVE Unviverse and its 5000 unique solar systems are yours to explore and conquer. " Doesn't sound like PvP to me.
MeestaPenni Mercantile and Stuff 148	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:54:00 - [24] - Quote TheBlueMonkey wrote: I just don't get why people would sign up to a PvP game (even mining and selling the ore is pvp) and then complain about it. I don't get a lot of game time. Job and all. So I spend a lot of time on the forums. And I'm not picking up on people complaining about the existence of pew pew PvP. What I am perceiving are expressions of stress and frustration that accompany a lack of ability to exact some revenge or "get some back". There's also a level of helplessness that only serves to exacerbate the situation. Face it, not all players are willing to engage in the PvP that involves pew pew....but all players deserve the right to play the game by subscription. Really, must we continue to suffer the delusion that of 40,000 players logged in to Tranquility that the majority of them pay any attention at all to the recommendations posted on the forums? No, and it really is delusional. Crowds don't work that way. I find it bizarre that in a server population of this size, and with its global reach, that some find it annoying to encounter a full range of human responses; including risk/loss aversion, introversion, etc. The solo hauler gets ganked and loses a large chunk of ISK. Quick, what's he do? What's he do that doesn't involve waiting for better combat skills (even if he's uninterested in that part of play), joining a corp (even if he does not want to join a corp), or hiring mercenaries (even if he's been aware enough to learn to trust no one). One method could alleviate a chunk of the frustration and reduce the feelings of helplessness. A real, working bounty system. Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Aruken Marr BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 29	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:55:00 - [25] - Quote Pedant.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4545	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:57:00 - [26] - Quote Ocih wrote: "You can trade to make a living, conduct mining operations, market your fighting skills as a mercenary, camp the spacelanes for profit as a pirate, conduct espionage and infiltration" Doesn't sound like PvP to me. You need to have your ears checked. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
TheBlueMonkey Natural Progression 8	Posted - 2012.01.25 16:57:00 - [27] - Quote Lyron-Baktos wrote: lol, eve is not listed as solely a PVP game google has - EVE allows you to discover, explore and dominate an amazing science fiction universe while you fight, trade, form corporations and alliances with other players. Did I say "solely PvP" ?? or did I say "rooted in PvP". There's a difference, eve is pvp everywhere with varying consiquences for your actions. Solely PvP would be BF3 or the like.
Ocih Space Mermaids 67	Posted - 2012.01.25 17:00:00 - [28] - Quote Here is the catch to all the people so eager to argue with me. I agree. EVE is a PvP game. My point is, it doesn't get sold as such. So back to what I said, tell CCP to **** or get off the pot. Its PvP, it isn't policed, Industry is for alts and be ready to lose a few subs when you own up.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4545	Posted - 2012.01.25 17:04:00 - [29] - Quote Ocih wrote: Here is the catch to all the people so eager to argue with me. I agree. EVE is a PvP game. My point is, it doesn't get sold as such. GÇªexcept that pretty much all the promotional material highlights the PvP, and that all the buzz surrounding the game is about the large-scale PvP and the massive affects players have on each other. Not to mention the first page of the FAQ, the player guide, the interviews they do, etc. etc. etc. Quote: So back to what I said, tell CCP to **** or get off the pot. They already do. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Nova Fox Novafox Shipyards 2949	Posted - 2012.01.25 17:07:00 - [30] - Quote It may not be sold as Player verses Player, But its definetly sold as massive player interaction! Nova Fox Shipyards Inventory



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