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Kartoir Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:07:00 - [61] Edited by: Kartoir on 23/10/2007 14:08:15 Originally by: Amuko Edited by: Amuko on 23/10/2007 12:47:12 Elitist attitude is childish, grow up, they're both totally different games, EVE is a bit harder on dying, and it's a darkish mmo, a sci-fi mmo. WoW is more pve focused, and yes, a lot of people like to pve, and is a lot more colourful (I like the graphic style in wow)than EVE. In EVE you fly in a spaceship, in a pod, with implants and all kinds of high tech crap. In wow you're playing the (standard?) fantasy setting: Wizards (that's how I call them mages/warlocks/priests anyway), warriors/knights and that kind of stuff. Seriously stop comparing these games, you can't. The reason WoW has such a big playerbase is simple, first of all, more people just like the fantasy style (over sci-fi as example. Second, blizzard already had a big fanbase. Third, market hype, just like halo 3, totrally overhyped, hell, I had never played a mmo before wow, but I read a lot about WoW in multiple gaming magazines so I gave it a try, I still didn't know about EVE back then, but when I quit a friend told me to try it (If he hadn't I probablt wouldn't be playing EVE at all). If anything, WoW has been very good for the mmo market. All those brainless idiots you're complaining about that play wow, don't worry, they won't try EVE anyway, if they'd quit WoW they'd probably try the next thing closest to WoW (aka other fantasy mmo). Edit: This might sound negative from me as well, but I do like WoW, I still play it once in a while. Lucky for Blizzard and WoW that the EQ2 team screwed up big time with the initial release. Sony did with a few months worth of patching fix EQ2's horrid state to a really good mmorpg but the damage was already done and everywhere word was flying how horrible EQ2 was. Spoke with an editor the other month asking why he never reviewed EQ2 and he kept refering to his first impressions from the first week with EQ2 and because of that never would touch the game again. However, I play both EVE and EQ2, I do know what the OP is after. The same thing that happened to EQ2 as more and more WoW players realised which game actually was better. The carebear mentality from WoW got carried over and today dying in EQ2 is like getting a slap in your face. Just speculating but if EQ2 hadn't made a mess of the initial release I think it would had been a bit closer to the original EQ where dying in the wrong place did hurt a lot.
Esmenet	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:09:00 - [62] Originally by: Sun Ra Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Sun Ra WoW pve is as bad if not worse than eve pve just the whole 'ill get epixxx at least once every few weeks' keeps people doing wow pve Wow PVE can be pretty fun actually if you are in a guild with a good raidgroup. However that is pretty much all the fun that wow has to offer. Rubbish, most classes raids = 3-4 hours everynight pressing one button over and over, trust me people only do it for dkp to geet epixxx Thats like claiming EVE is just pressing f1-f8 once every 2 minutes or so. I was doing pve raids for a long time in wow, as its the only thing that is a challenge and require decent teamwork and classknowledge in the game. I stopped playing after a while in BC as it pushed the focus away from the actual bossencounters and onto endless grinding outside and inside instances.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:20:00 - [63] Originally by: Grapez Funny story. A friend of mine plays WoW, and I suggested that she try Eve. She just looked at me and said, "I heard people in Eve are mean!" I suggest that we start a counter-attack. We all get WoW forum accounts and spam Blizzard's forums with whines and garbage. That way, WoW will get easier, and no carebears will ever think of leaving it. The wow community handles whine threads very well without added "help". There is basically no idea or suggestion thread. Everything is a big whine, hate and im so uber posts.
George Richards Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:21:00 - [64] Originally by: Futureface01 Originally by: Rollotamasi This game really is the pinnacle of elitism. Well considering this games roots come from a game called "Elite" its not surprising. Wikipedia - Elite the Game This will be more akin to Elite if they ever get it off the ground. Its an ambitious attempt at Elite Online. "...need a cig"
Daphne Oboe	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:32:00 - [65] I've played EVE for over a year, and WoW for 3. Very different games. Recently quit WoW though in favor of focusing on EVE. You're wise not to underestimate the whining ability of WoW players though, it's legendary and unsurpassed. Unfortunately, it's inevitable that CCP will give into the whines, and you'll see the game change quite a bit as more and more WoWers flow in. To do otherwise would be bad business. There's a virtually unlimited amount of wealth to be found in nomadic ex-WoW players, and it's unreasonable to expect any company to not alter its product to appeal to them. Eventually, and sadly, EVE will unavoidably become "WoW in space", but around that time a new game will most assuredly be made that brings back the true EVE playstyle, giving folks like you somewhere to go. Such is the way of things.
Veguz Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:02:00 - [66] Edited by: Veguz on 23/10/2007 15:02:35 Originally by: Daphne Oboe Eventually, and sadly, EVE will unavoidably become "WoW in space". I think thats already started. Every time I see the server records increase week after week I shudder to think how many of those new subscribers are ex-wow players coming to dilute CCP's once great vision.
Sun Ra Grumpy Old Farts Gruntfuttocks	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:43:00 - [67] Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Sun Ra Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Sun Ra WoW pve is as bad if not worse than eve pve just the whole 'ill get epixxx at least once every few weeks' keeps people doing wow pve Wow PVE can be pretty fun actually if you are in a guild with a good raidgroup. However that is pretty much all the fun that wow has to offer. Rubbish, most classes raids = 3-4 hours everynight pressing one button over and over, trust me people only do it for dkp to geet epixxx Thats like claiming EVE is just pressing f1-f8 once every 2 minutes or so. I was doing pve raids for a long time in wow, as its the only thing that is a challenge and require decent teamwork and classknowledge in the game. I stopped playing after a while in BC as it pushed the focus away from the actual bossencounters and onto endless grinding outside and inside instances. lol how much class knowlegdge do you need to spam frostbolt, dots etc ? dont make me laugh dood most pve players are keyboard turners, all ou really need to do is to be paying at least some attention so you dont wipe your group, maybe 1 in 10 encounters if your lucky you have to do something special like sheep something or banish something WOOPYDOO really if u want something to do that takes team work and good class knowledge(yours and others) at least play arenas. btw im not saying eve pve is any better its jsut as dull as wows just you do it on ur own which for alot of people makes it even worse & also theres no items with purple titles to get excited about :P
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.10.23 17:19:00 - [68] Originally by: Daphne Oboe You're wise not to underestimate the whining ability of WoW players though, it's legendary and unsurpassed. It's a numbers game. Say 1% of players post heavily on the game forums. Say there are 100k Eve players, and 8 million WoW players. That's 1,000 Eve forum posters and 80,000 Wow forum posters. Imagine that 1% of THESE are the world's biggest and best whiners. That's 10 Eve top class whiners, and 800 (Eight HUNDRED) WoW top class whiners! Imagine 1% of THESE are super duber uber mental A++++ WOULD USE AGAIN whiners. At 1% of 1% of 1%, That's NO Eve whiners of this eschelon, and 8 WoW whining gods! Proof - do the maths!
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:10:00 - [69] Originally by: Fink Angel Sheriff Jones for President! Ooh, no thanks. Now Emperor Jones on the other hand... Presidency only gets you muchos iskies, little work and secretaries you can...no wait... My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Norma Stitz	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:23:00 - [70] WoW is the greatest thing to hit mmorpg ever. It dragged people into the genre, who have since got bored with wow. Those people are looking for a better game, and many end up in eve. I personally only ever played e&b and eve. The only things i know about wow come from the southpark episode. Every ceo of a mmo company must be thanking their personal gods that wow exists. It turned a very small market into quite a fat market.

Grim Vandal Caldari Burn Proof	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:29:00 - [71] VERY valid point! I really dont want a WoW player to touch EVE with a 10 feet pole! It just not their playstyle! And yes I definately can judge about that on my own. Off Topic: XNCReman ... god dam.n it you have TEH finest/sexiest looking character in the whole eve universe. my all new phobos will fly straight to the sky Greetings Grim
Bistot Kid The First Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:01:00 - [72] Have you ever stopped and thought anyone leaving WoW to play Eve might be because WoW is not the game for their playstyle, not because they want to come over here and splurt hot Hello Kitty Carebear Love Sauce all over your pod window? --------------------------------- Dyslexics of the World Untie! ---------------------------------
Scel Eratus	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:34:00 - [73] I honestly do not understand the hatred of WoW and its broad spectrum of players. WoW was and still is one of the best MMO's on the market. It's easy to start playing, offers a variety of gameplay options, has a huge playerbase, and has aged into a fun, reliable experience. Props for making a game that can appeal to all gamers: casual, hardcore, or completely new. Eve is just a different experience, and you can't hate based entirely on difference. That's how stereotyping, prejudice, and racism are born.
Jack Target Koshaku Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.23 20:29:00 - [74] I played WoW for a year, then I stopped and played Eve instead. I was once a carebear at Eve University, but now I fight PvP for BoB. Does this prove the OP is right, or disprove it?!
Krows	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:11:00 - [75] We need to stop people coming from WoW, they're taking our jobs and some people even want to give them free insurance while they start their own corporations who speak in l33t speak. It's absurd CCP, plz fix kthnx. What I say here... does not reflect on my corp or alliance.
Grim Vandal Caldari Burn Proof	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:45:00 - [76] Originally by: Jack Target Edited by: Jack Target on 23/10/2007 20:43:49 I used to play WoW. Now I play Eve and fight for BoB. Does this prove the OP is right, or disprove it?! I bet you appreciated the WTZ change if so it proves the OP's point an mine... Greetings Grim
Snake Jankins Minmatar German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:24:00 - [77] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 23/10/2007 22:25:32 I've been in Neocron, then EVE, than back Neocron, then EVE and Planetside, then played WoW like mad for half a year, until I had enough of it, and now I'm already back in EVE again for over 2 years EVE again. Actually more than half of my Neocron clan, who were notorious pvp'ers/killers in Neocron, converted to monsterbashing at WoW release. Some got addicted to it some not and started playing other pvp games again. Btw. compared with the boring asian mmorpgs that only offer grinding - I've just tried out the 5th or so today - WoW is so much better that I lack the words to describe it. Even if some people would disagree, women with cat-ears don't make a good game alone So yes, WoW can be quite entertaining. Not every WoW player is a carebear and dislikes other games with more consequences. And EVE is/was not the only extreme pvp mmorpg. Neocron had harsh consequences, too, especially if you risked pvp'ing with something like -30 ... -40 soullight. Would have dropped 8 of my 10 most expensive items I think. Besides that the game didn't have a single safe levelspot for carebears. Don't know, how it is now, I've left already 2005 after playing it for 2 1/2 years or so. ___________ I've never been so serious as I am now. No, really.
Blind Man Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:29:00 - [78] i play wow don't see anything wrong with it, no fun in eve for me so why should I force myself not to play a game I find fun
Maestro Ulv Phaze-9	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:36:00 - [79] Lol at the elitist bull**** that crops up in these forums sometimes! A corp mate of mine has played Eve since beta and has played wow since it came out, he still plays both. I have played this game since beta too and occasionaly enjoy a trip round Middle Earth in LOTRO, another "safe enviroment" compared to Eve. Get a clue you bloody morons and grow a brain to go with that pair of balls you just love to roll around on. I'm not bored, I'm merely in the Queue.
Squatdog	Posted - 2007.10.24 09:59:00 - [80] Raiding in WoW can actually be fun and rewarding, provided you are with a competent guild who aren't gibbering idiots. Clearing the trash is always tedious but most of the boss fights are fun as hell. Even if you're ranged DPS and alternate between pressing three buttons, at least you have the goal of topping the DPS Meter each fight. Melee DPS, Healing and Tanking is a lot more enjoyable, even stressful at times.

mallina Caldari Core Contingency	Posted - 2007.10.24 10:20:00 - [81] I'm sure both games have their appeal, but the fact of the matter is EVE has been getting softer and softer over time so that it can 'appeal' to a wider audience (Which is highly likely to be influenced by WoW and their massive playbase). If every MMO company in the world does that (as they seem to be doing), then that Niche will be gone completely, which is a sad thing because I like it ---
Haks'he Lirky Dominion Imperium	Posted - 2007.10.24 10:57:00 - [82] whaaaat??? noooooo! bring more fodder! more fodder! I need more n00bs to grief! Whining can be ignored or smacked when your bored :)
Buford Early Wild Talents	Posted - 2007.10.24 11:17:00 - [83] I'm actually very tempted to try this World Of World-dominating-mmorpg... How many customers do they have now... 10M ? Since RMR I feel this game is going downhill. It is getting more and more complex, and I have stopped telling friends how great it is. They all stop playing before the trial period is over :( The grind for getting SP is not worth it. As a new player, you will never catch up with the older players. Capitals, Command ships and now the new T2 BS, it takes years before you are able to use them. And when you finally can use them they are changed into something else. The nerfbat has been used too much in recent years! If you could buy a starter char from CCP with a bigger set of skills in a specific area, it might be easier to attract new players. But today I see very few new players who hang on after the first months of playing. . Now that food has replaced sex in my life, I can't even get into my own pants. .
John Blackthrone Caldari Fnord Works	Posted - 2007.10.24 11:24:00 - [84] lol what a stupid tread
mallina Caldari Core Contingency	Posted - 2007.10.24 12:02:00 - [85] Originally by: Buford Early The grind for getting SP is not worth it. As a new player, you will never catch up with the older players. Capitals, Command ships and now the new T2 BS, it takes years before you are able to use them. And when you finally can use them they are changed into something else. The nerfbat has been used too much in recent years! Funny, someone in my Corp is only 7 months old and is an Absolution pilot who's managed to take out many 2003 players by himself. Of course you're never going to have as much SP as older players, but SP is just a number at the end of the day. If you specialise, SP means nothing. Saying that you'd never "Catch Up" with older players (as if it mattered in some way) is an extremely ignorant thing to complain about. ---
Chrysalis D'lilth	Posted - 2007.10.24 12:11:00 - [86] Originally by: Sun Ra lol how much class knowlegdge do you need to spam frostbolt, dots etc ? dont make me laugh dood most pve players are keyboard turners, all ou really need to do is to be paying at least some attention so you dont wipe your group, maybe 1 in 10 encounters if your lucky you have to do something special like sheep something or banish something WOOPYDOO really if u want something to do that takes team work and good class knowledge(yours and others) at least play arenas. btw im not saying eve pve is any better its jsut as dull as wows just you do it on ur own which for alot of people makes it even worse & also theres no items with purple titles to get excited about :P Well, I think your over simplifying pve, but yeah certainly where grinding is concerned, its generally not rocket science. At the higher end when your doing a bit more than grinding, the raid content usually requires alot more to be going on than mashing 1 or 2 buttons. Tbh, EvE could learn alot from other MMO's when it comes to PvE - right now the hardest pve in eve is probably the more difficuly complexes (ones that most ppl can't solo and are forced to take 3-4 ppl along). But even them are no more difficult to beat than the easiest group tank&spank encounters in a fantasy MMO (tank, healer/shield transfer + dps). Where EvE shines is the way ships are built modularly, thats where the real work is, in getting your ship to do what you want it to do (and making it all fit). Thats where eve is incredibly more in depth than other MMO's and one of its best aspects imo. PvP is also another great aspect of EvE - I mean, arena's are fun in WoW, but they have no lasting consequence, where as the huge soverignty wars in EvE make you feel like your taking part in something that actually will change the political landscape of the game.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Hooligans Of War Insurgency	Posted - 2007.10.24 12:17:00 - [87] Originally by: XNCReman We need to start an ebil campaign to stop WoW players from coming to EVE. No need to, just point them to one of the carrier nerf threads and they will be scarred for life watching such a high concentration of whine. Jita fix: The distributed market hub
Rilder Caldari THC LTD Dogs of War.	Posted - 2007.10.24 12:28:00 - [88] A friend of mine forced me to play WoW during a vacation from EvE, was okay till about level 10 then it just became a worthless grindfest. --
Susan Acid	Posted - 2007.10.24 12:36:00 - [89] Originally by: Plaetean Originally by: Susan Acid Edited by: Susan Acid on 23/10/2007 09:52:38 Why on earth would you want to stop CCP getting more paying customers? Because the game is already far too big as it is. What do you mean 'far too big'?
Susan Acid	Posted - 2007.10.24 12:41:00 - [90] Originally by: Buxaroo Originally by: XNCReman Edited by: XNCReman on 23/10/2007 07:07:16 We need to start an ebil campaign to stop WoW players from coming to EVE. Why? The cruel nature of eve is not working, its failing to Harden them or make them quit the game. Instead they are whining on EVE-Online forums about not being able to gank a solo carrier, even when they had more fire power. Discourage WoW players from playing EVE to reduce the amount of ****** nerf, stemmed from their ***ing. Now Go Fourth and Spread the word. Amen brother. But if the devs go through with the carrier/fighter thing......it won't matter WoW players don't nerf carriers Devs do.



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