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Excido Charon
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Hyakuchan
Edited by: Hyakuchan on 23/10/2007 19:04:06
Originally by: marakor
How many low sec MS gate camps are there in eve lol you make it sound like every entry gate is camped.
CCP is clearly assuming that will eventually be the case if nothing is done about it.
In the absence of any check on the dominance of motherships, that is the eventual outcome.
Considering the time and resources required to construct and train up for one, I highly doubt that.
But obviously since we're worried about gatecamps we should nerf Mobile Warp Disruptors, and the range of warp scramblers!
Hell, I have an idea.
Let's keep on nerfing eve.
Amarr will become Rock.
Minmitar will become Paper.
Caldari will become Scissors.
And Gallente will become Water, but then will be removed since that's unbalanced for Rock and Scissors.
THAT is the inevitable gameplay result of excessive nerfing.
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Hyakuchan
Earth Federation Space Force
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Excido Charon
Considering the time and resources required to construct and train up for one, I highly doubt that.
Then you are a dangerously shortsighted WoW reroller.
The list of people with MoM piloting skills is growing, not shrinking. As there are a finite number of gates to camp and a much larger number of current and potential players, anyone who doesn't believe that there could potentially be a mom gatecamp at every gate in lowsec in the fullness of time... well... must believe that eve will someday be shut down.
Which is a rather fatalistic view of the product, if you ask me.
Your clarivoyance has not given you the day CCP will offline TQ, or tell you how long it will take for the number of mom pilots will outnumber the number of systems in lowsec.
This ship class is now the ultimate power in EVE. I suggest we nerf it.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente
The JORG Corporation
Methods of Mayhem Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Hyakuchan
Edited by: Hyakuchan on 23/10/2007 19:04:06
Originally by: marakor
How many low sec MS gate camps are there in eve lol you make it sound like every entry gate is camped.
CCP is clearly assuming that will eventually be the case if nothing is done about it.
In the absence of any check on the dominance of motherships, that is the eventual outcome.
lol theres about 1000 low sec entry points in eve so on the day they are all camped by MS we will all be flying dreads.
gratz on the daftest reason to nerf carriers and MS so far.
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marakor
Gallente
Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:20:00 -
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Have you noticed that the threads hating the idea have reached 40 pages of negative remarks about it and this thread has 2 pages of ppl mostly cutting down the very very few who like the idea.
lol
Theres you answer
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Coolgamer
Minmatar
Res Publica
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Icome4u
Never. Now go cry about losing your T1 frigate to a Mothership.
lol yea that sum up the thing about mom ^^
and the sigs say it all :
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Etil DeLaFuente
Res Publica
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:20:00 -
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boost noob ships ! i can't kill a bs with it
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stummer
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:21:00 -
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Moms in lowsec is a problem and i think most people would acknowldge that , but what there proposing has very little to do with that i think making moms scramable in lowsec is the easiest answer, simple.
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Icome4u
Caldari
Dark and Light inc.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:27:00 -
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Hyakuchan your inexperience in this game shows a lot. Maybe you should be more worried about learning about the game than trolling on the forum?
Also, it doesn't matter if the list of people who can fly Mom's grow. Theirs a big difference between 'I can fly it' and 'I can buy it'. Something like 1/100 carrier pilot can afford a Mom, and lately seeing how they pop all over the place they probably won't spend 35 billion isk for one + fittings.
if they can afford one, GOOD FOR THEM. They earned it (unless they bought isk, well then ban them). You guys want to nerf people who worked their @$$ to fly a ship... wtf? Go quit EVE.
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Hyakuchan
Earth Federation Space Force
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Hyakuchan on 23/10/2007 19:36:57
Originally by: marakor
Have you noticed that the threads hating the idea have reached 40 pages of negative remarks about it and this thread has 2 pages of ppl mostly cutting down the very very few who like the idea.
The change is on SiSi.
Have a nice day.
You see, my inexperience matters very little here. The root of the matter is, I'm arguing in favor of something the devs are already putting into effect. Which means whether my reasoning is right or wrong, in the end I'll have the last laugh because the devs aren't apt to reverse direction.
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Razor Jaxx
Minmatar
Cosmic Odyssey
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Icome4u
Hyakuchan your inexperience in this game shows a lot. Maybe you should be more worried about learning about the game than trolling on the forum?
Also, it doesn't matter if the list of people who can fly Mom's grow. Theirs a big difference between 'I can fly it' and 'I can buy it'. Something like 1/100 carrier pilot can afford a Mom, and lately seeing how they pop all over the place they probably won't spend 35 billion isk for one + fittings.
if they can afford one, GOOD FOR THEM. They earned it (unless they bought isk, well then ban them). You guys want to nerf people who worked their @$$ to fly a ship... wtf? Go quit EVE.
1. I take it from your post you don't oppose the changes being applied to carriers only, then?
2. Nobody held a gun to your head asking you to "work your @$$ off to get that ship". You did it because you wanted to. Hence the effort you put into getting that ship does not make it untouchable.
3. According to your own pledges, you're the one quitting EVE right now, aren't you?
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Armoured C
Gallente
Deviance Inc
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:44:00 -
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hey people keep thinking they are i win buttons when they are not you obvisiouly dont see eve tv even though it free in the last 2 months 12 motherships have died they can be stopped from warping by bumping if you organise a fleet they can be killed hell some corp did it with planning and tactiful decisions they nosed it so it couldnt ump out bumped it so it couldnt warped and then killed of it fighter and then killed it all in under 4 minutes
never say it can be done they arnt invincible stop being a noob and train better skills instad of expecting everything to come to you
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low sec is low sec for a reason and that is that there is VERY LITTLE OR NO PROTECTION FOR YOU, if you know you dont have the skills to survive then DONT GO IN. if you cant afford to loose it dont risk it >_>
noobs  you can easily live with out them
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Excido Charon
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Hyakuchan
Then you are a dangerously shortsighted WoW reroller.
Shortsighted? I have doubts that I'm the one who is shortsighted in this matter, seeing as it is you who uses the logic 'It is powerful, it must be nerfed'. The build requirements for the mom are HUGE, and the time to train up for one is months, and then some if you want to be decent at handling it. The mom is a 'Super Capital', just like the Titan is. It's the top of the food chain. Either blob it, or use another Super Capital to take it down.
Originally by: Hyakuchan
The list of people with MoM piloting skills is growing, not shrinking. As there are a finite number of gates to camp and a much larger number of current and potential players, anyone who doesn't believe that there could potentially be a mom gatecamp at every gate in lowsec in the fullness of time... well... must believe that eve will someday be shut down.
Seeing as many moms have been destroyed lately, I think that mom pilots and mom pilots in-training will be more careful about leaving their precious POS's safety and doing something as petty as gatecamping.
Originally by: Hyakuchan
Your sad devotion to that overpowered ship class has not helped you conjure up a reason why it should stay overpowered, or given you clairvoyance enough to know when there will be more mom pilots then gates to camp...
This ship is now the ultimate power in EVE. I suggest we nerf it.
I will say it again. It's a super cap. Super cap eats cap. Cap eats BB. BB eats CC. CC eats...well I'm sure you get how this works.
Moms aren't the only thing gatecamping. Blobs and bubbles are even more common in low sec / no sec from what I've seen, and I'm much more afraid of those than moms.
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Nexnecis Umbra
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Posted - 2007.10.23 19:59:00 -
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OMG Because YOU SEE A MOTHER SHIP AT EVERY GATE IN LOW SEC ...... wtf dude... im a low sp player.. and im not surprised that a bs gets insta popd ive seed cruisers insta popd by battle ships.. its the food chain and the whole SO MANY MOTHER SHIP PILOTS EVE WILL BE SHUT DOWN.... -_-...yah cuz at one time there were soooo many battle ship pilots.. oh wait then people got dreds mommies ext people always find a way to kill it or get a ship thats better.. .its like saying people will one day all camp with Titans... your whining because one frigate cant take on a dessy... thats about what im getting out of this... ether train up and get one.. or learn how to kill em ...thats what every one els has done...
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Hyakuchan
Earth Federation Space Force
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: Hyakuchan on 23/10/2007 20:07:12
Originally by: Excido Charon
or use another Super Capital to take it down.
Fine.
Convince the devs to give EVE a capship class that's up to the task. Titans are anti-fleet ships and dreads are anti-station ships. EVE needs a capship killing capship with a single target superweapon.
Something with no tanking to speak of that can be used to queen-trade a dread or carrier in a single shot, and a mom/titan in gangs.
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Excido Charon
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:12:00 -
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I am a much larger fan of the idea of an anti-cap ship than I am of the nerf-bat being swung hard yet again.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Deviance Inc
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:12:00 -
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err dreads kill mom just fine you need a few since IT A SUPERCAP dip****
if a CORP not ALLIANCE A CORP can kill a MOM in under 4 minutes using only one dread then there is no problem and that proves that they arnt a i win button as this guy lost watch latest episode to find out more of eve tv
actually know what your talking about noob
you need to have a stragity .. a attack plan not a noob who wishes he had a nerf bat
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Hyakuchan
Earth Federation Space Force
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
actually know what your talking about
Don't need to.
The devs are doing what I want them to do, which means I can just stand here and gloat about it. Your indignation won't save your overpowered mechanic from the bat.
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:23:00 -
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Mods, I ask that you close this thread. The OP's last post shows just how much Troll Bait this thread is.
He makes no pretense of actually wanting balance - just that it benefits himself personally. Pure Troll.
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JonVe
Gallente
FireTech
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:31:00 -
[49]
ANTI SIGNED
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CareBeer
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Posted - 2007.10.23 20:52:00 -
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/Signed
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Senghir
Amarr
Deep Space Security
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:07:00 -
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/signed.
A nerf to overpowered ships is always good.
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Buckeroo Bonzai
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:12:00 -
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I will never support this idea.
/NOT SIGNED
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BugxEarl
Amarr
Division 9 Golden Leaves
Izanagi Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:40:00 -
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This thread fails on a massive scale.
/NOT signed
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Bryandale Lewis
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: Bryandale Lewis on 23/10/2007 22:06:44
I'd prefer they just get rid of them as they are now. All Caps. And remove the idea of these cyno jumps completely. It is a lousy idea. Dreadnought should be a step up from battleships. Carriers should be weak in defense and strong in offense. Point defense should work and drones should have an 'attack enemy drones' option. POS offense and defense needs to be downgraded to a level where a normal (read doesn't have any caps of the present game) fleet can engage them. Remove the current skills needed for caps and refund the skills point to be re-allocated.
Just my opinion.
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Secure Container
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:11:00 -
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so.. basically ccp says that the carrier is just a really expensive, skill intensive logistics ship..
90% of bs can easily tank 5 fighters so it has little to no attack ability
a logistics can rep more,is expendible, cost less for ship,modules & skills & takes so much less time to train for
assigning fighters is only really useful on ships that dont have much drone space so it nerfs gallente more than the rest & actually becuz of that a moros has more drone dps than a thanatos or a nyx & that seems extremely out of line..
omg wait i shouldnt have said that now every noob will want to nerf dreads so there 3mil sp bs pilot can permitank a 50m sp moros pilot with t2 sentries.
i do think that super caps should be ajusted..but that easily done by no longer allowing them in low sec..perhaps a new cyno generator that only works in 0.0 or if that isnt enough maybe a pos cyno gen that only allows super caps to operate withen systems you have soviernty of?
theres tons of ways that could help even gameplay without nerfing everyship becuase its doing what exactly its name implies
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Armoured C
Gallente
Deviance Inc
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Secure Container
so.. basically ccp says that the carrier is just a really expensive, skill intensive logistics ship..
90% of bs can easily tank 5 fighters so it has little to no attack ability
a logistics can rep more,is expendible, cost less for ship,modules & skills & takes so much less time to train for
assigning fighters is only really useful on ships that dont have much drone space so it nerfs gallente more than the rest & actually becuz of that a moros has more drone dps than a thanatos or a nyx & that seems extremely out of line..
omg wait i shouldnt have said that now every noob will want to nerf dreads so there 3mil sp bs pilot can permitank a 50m sp moros pilot with t2 sentries.
i do think that super caps should be ajusted..but that easily done by no longer allowing them in low sec..perhaps a new cyno generator that only works in 0.0 or if that isnt enough maybe a pos cyno gen that only allows super caps to operate withen systems you have soviernty of?
theres tons of ways that could help even gameplay without nerfing everyship becuase its doing what exactly its name implies
that a idea but to hard for the noobies as they will want to come into 0.0 next with out being attacked, asww life is hard suck it up stop whining about blobs i never seen a MOM blob and you go on like here everywhere, apart in the fact that 12 mom have been destroyed in the last 2 month should tell you that they are weak enough why nerf them some more
yeah 12 not 0 like the SOLOPWNMOBILEWTFBBQSPITTINGHELLDRAGON you think they are 12
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente
The JORG Corporation
Methods of Mayhem Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.24 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Hyakuchan
In the end, TQ will wind up as I believe it will because the devs are already working towards that end. Which means in the long run, I'll come out of this with credibility for picking the winner and you'll come out like an obstinate griefer crying about losing his insta-win gimmick.[/i]
Since when is a MS a insta win ship?.
1) 30+ billion un-fitted
2) Needs a big alliance to even build one and defend it while it cooks.
3) A player who wants one is in it until its popped
PPL like you are the worst kind of gamers and have no idea what eve is about as you think you need to lower others rather than build yourself up.
This carrier nerf is making a capital hauler from what should be a very effective combat ship. And the idea that low sec will be camped by fleets of motherships is the most ******** and unknowledgable statment ive ever heard.
And i suggest you get online and look up the word credibility cos you have none and backing ccp in this makes you a sheep not a visionary or what ever else you think you are.
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