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Hyakuchan Earth Federation Space Force	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:42:00 - [1] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=619601 This is the mirror of the linked petition thread. Tired of being momblobbed in lowsec? Tired of seeing ewar immune *****s instapop battleships solo only to run when you show up to give them what for? Sign and support the inevitable nerf. Show your unflagging support for the wisdom of CCP. -------------------------------------------------- "Only the stupid rob the poor."
Durgan Kael Gallente Disillusioned Perfection Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:47:00 - [2] I will NEVER sign that thread... And no, I do not fly a capital of any kind. Just like in most situations in low sec... if you fly smart you will never die (use a scout, stabs, etc). BS + low sec = risk, don't you dare start complaining when people kill you because you were an idiot. :P
Angor The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:56:00 - [3] Edited by: Angor on 23/10/2007 14:57:50 Originally by: Hyakuchan http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=619601 This is the mirror of the linked petition thread. Tired of being momblobbed in lowsec? Tired of seeing ewar immune *****s instapop battleships solo only to run when you show up to give them what for? Sign and support the inevitable nerf. Show your unflagging support for the wisdom of CCP. Mr Garason said it best... "You go to hell and you die!" _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
Dead Soldier Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:00:00 - [4] Five words: NEVER and use an SCOUT
Hyakuchan Earth Federation Space Force	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:04:00 - [5] Edited by: Hyakuchan on 23/10/2007 15:06:05 Originally by: Dead Soldier NEVER and use an SCOUT Never use "an" against a word that starts with a consonant unless it has a silent "h". -------------------------------------------------- "Only the stupid rob the poor."
Canine Fiend Minmatar Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:06:00 - [6] Originally by: Hyakuchan http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=619601 This is the mirror of the linked petition thread. Tired of being momblobbed in lowsec? Tired of seeing ewar immune *****s instapop battleships solo only to run when you show up to give them what for? Sign and support the inevitable nerf. Show your unflagging support for the wisdom of CCP. Sounds like your gripe is with moms, not carriers. You've yet to argue otherwise. -------------------
Canine Fiend Minmatar Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Hyakuchan Edited by: Hyakuchan on 23/10/2007 15:06:05 Originally by: Dead Soldier NEVER and use an SCOUT Never use "an" against a word that starts with a consonant unless it has a silent "h". Wow, thanks language patrol, perhaps English is not his first language. You should not be so quick to ridicule. -------------------
Hyakuchan Earth Federation Space Force	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:11:00 - [8] Edited by: Hyakuchan on 23/10/2007 15:12:44 Originally by: Canine Fiend Sounds like your gripe is with moms, not carriers. You've yet to argue otherwise. I don't plan on arguing that. I'll admit my beef is with moms. Carriers are quite mortal as they are today and honestly I think this is unacceptably bad for them. But their bigger brothers are simply too powerful. The best solution would be to nerf the immunity to ewar in lowsec. But you take what you get. In America we call that politics. It's not about signing for the actual solution, it's about signing the lesser of two evils. -------------------------------------------------- "Only the stupid rob the poor."
Jinmie	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:12:00 - [9] Maybe he should make English his first language then and stop being such a noob @ life.
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:15:00 - [10] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 23/10/2007 15:17:38 Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 23/10/2007 15:17:03 Originally by: Hyakuchan http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=619601 This is the mirror of the linked petition thread. 1) Tired of being momblobbed in lowsec? 2) Tired of seeing ewar immune *****s instapop battleships solo only to run when you show up to give them what for? No but i am tired of noob morons and others who wanna make more isk by flying through/mining/mission running in low sec and think it should be as safe as empire and do not use a scout when they jump into it. Im also bored with low SP ppl who want their ships to be equal to high SP guys and instead of using e-war(against carriers) and smart tactics, but instead seem to want nerf after nerf so they drag us down instead of building themselves up. My views may represent those of my corp/alliance but you will have to ask em to be sure.

Hyakuchan Earth Federation Space Force	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:19:00 - [11] Edited by: Hyakuchan on 23/10/2007 15:23:33 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Im also bored with low SP ppl who want their ships to be equal to high SP guys and instead of using e-war and smart tactics seem to want nerf after nerf so they drag us down instead of building themselves up. Look, all I want to see is that if I jump in on a lowsec mom with several dreads and several dozen battleships, that it dies as it would in 0.0. I don't care if CCP does this by allowing cyano jamming, or nerfing immunity to ewar, or whatnot. But lowsec should not be a ** free lunch for one class of ship to operate with absolute impunity. If a score of corpmates and I jump in on a mom in lowsec with the means to make it dead and the intent to do so, it should **ing die. -------------------------------------------------- "Only the stupid rob the poor."
Meleia Satanic Red	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:19:00 - [12] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 23/10/2007 15:17:03 Originally by: Hyakuchan http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=619601 This is the mirror of the linked petition thread. 1) Tired of being momblobbed in lowsec? 2) Tired of seeing ewar immune ****s instapop battleships solo only to run when you show up to give them what for? No but i am tired of noob morons and others who wanna make more isk by flying through/mining/mission running in low sec and think it should be as safe as empire and do not use a scout when they jump into it. Im also bored with low SP ppl who want their ships to be equal to high SP guys and instead of using e-war(against carriers) and smart tactics seem to want nerf after nerf so they drag us down instead of building themselves up. Why use a scout? Everyone already knows the gates to low sec are perma-camped by ebil piwat motherships 23/7. And thats why the nerf is coming you fool. "But, the psychiatrist adds that griefers could also just be mentally ill, whether they're depressed, have a psychotic disorder, or substance abuse problems*."
Gyle Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:22:00 - [13] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 23/10/2007 15:17:38 Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 23/10/2007 15:17:03 Originally by: Hyakuchan http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=619601 This is the mirror of the linked petition thread. 1) Tired of being momblobbed in lowsec? 2) Tired of seeing ewar immune *****s instapop battleships solo only to run when you show up to give them what for? No but i am tired of noob morons and others who wanna make more isk by flying through/mining/mission running in low sec and think it should be as safe as empire and do not use a scout when they jump into it. Im also bored with low SP ppl who want their ships to be equal to high SP guys and instead of using e-war(against carriers) and smart tactics, but instead seem to want nerf after nerf so they drag us down instead of building themselves up. AMEN!
Gyle Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Meleia Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 23/10/2007 15:17:03 Originally by: Hyakuchan http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=619601 This is the mirror of the linked petition thread. 1) Tired of being momblobbed in lowsec? 2) Tired of seeing ewar immune *****s instapop battleships solo only to run when you show up to give them what for? No but i am tired of noob morons and others who wanna make more isk by flying through/mining/mission running in low sec and think it should be as safe as empire and do not use a scout when they jump into it. Im also bored with low SP ppl who want their ships to be equal to high SP guys and instead of using e-war(against carriers) and smart tactics seem to want nerf after nerf so they drag us down instead of building themselves up. Why use a scout? Everyone already knows the gates to low sec are perma-camped by ebil piwat motherships 23/7. And thats why the nerf is coming you fool. lolza. a handful of systems out of all low sec and suddenly you cant jump from one system to another without seeing a mom? Yeah they arent quiet that common yet. oh and BTW you can kill them in lowsec. or havent you heard?
Hyakuchan Earth Federation Space Force	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:59:00 - [15] Edited by: Hyakuchan on 23/10/2007 15:59:05 Originally by: Gyle oh and BTW you can kill them in lowsec. or havent you heard? Only if they **** up on their part. Therein lies the problem. If they and their alt do what they have to do correctly, they don't die. Ever. -------------------------------------------------- "Only the stupid rob the poor."
Durgan Kael Gallente Disillusioned Perfection Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.23 16:15:00 - [16] Originally by: Hyakuchan Edited by: Hyakuchan on 23/10/2007 15:59:05 Originally by: Gyle oh and BTW you can kill them in lowsec. or havent you heard? Only if they **** up on their part. Therein lies the problem. If they and their alt do what they have to do correctly, they don't die. Ever. I would never die in this game if I never made mistakes... Thats WHY you die, you make a stupid mistake, enemies capitalized, that goes for any class ship.
Hyakuchan Earth Federation Space Force	Posted - 2007.10.23 16:48:00 - [17] Edited by: Hyakuchan on 23/10/2007 16:53:40 Originally by: Durgan Kael I would never die in this game if I never made mistakes... Thats WHY you die, you make a stupid mistake, enemies capitalized, that goes for any class ship. No, you see that's where you're wrong. For purposes of argument I'm limiting mistakes to the scope of "upon sighting the enemy". If I go into a dangerous situation the the assumption that I'll need to get out of it then yes you're correct that you can avoid all traps. However, the problem is that a mothership does not have to avoid anything and can still get off free. A titan has to choose it's fights carefully. Since it's ability to obliterate fleets directly impacts it's ability to jump out, a titan pilot must make a painstaking choice as to whether to fight or run. Typically, they run. Partly because if he doesn't his alliance will tear off his limbs and beat him to death with them, and partly because the forums will repeat the process with his reassembled corpse. The mothership pilot does not need to make this decision because it costs the mothership pilot nothing in terms of cap to bring his full armament to bear. He sits, dishing out immense dps knowing full well that he can jump out the second the battle turns against him because he's in lowsec and has an alt waiting to give him a cyano. No other ship is singularly immune to death. Even the titan, with it's own ewar immunity, cannot fight and retain the ability to run. And every other ship in the game is vunerable to defeat in one way or another. Certainly there are ways to mitigate the threat but not eliminate it entirely. MOMs are invunerable in lowsec if the pilot isn't a moron. People have known this for more then a year now and have been screaming about it just about as long. With CCP planning to eventually use lowsec as the grounds for eventual faction warfare, it makes sense that they're aiming to take out the lowsec solo pirate trash by taking away the biggest "I win" button in the game. If they don't do this, then when they do introduce faction warfare it will be ONLY mothership pilots who partake in it because they'll be the only ones equipped to survive the environment. -------------------------------------------------- "Only the stupid rob the poor."
Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.10.23 17:06:00 - [18] Never. Now go cry about losing your T1 frigate to a Mothership.
Tillek Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.23 17:17:00 - [19] Know what **es me off. Devs see a problem and take away peoples I win buttons and instead of be logical then * and moan about it. You know what, The game isn't made for you to have an i win button. It's made for people to have fun playing. You don't like it. You don't like devs keeping the game balanced. Then hit that cancel button. And be gone you little kids. I swear. They should require intelligence test before letting***stains like you guys online. Signed approved and lets hope the moaners don't give enough head to get it changed. -------------------------------------- CRY HAVOC AND LET SLIP THE DOGS OF WAR
Druadan Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.10.23 17:36:00 - [20] Originally by: Hyakuchan http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=619601 This is the mirror of the linked petition thread. Tired of being momblobbed in lowsec? Tired of seeing ewar immune *****s instapop battleships solo only to run when you show up to give them what for? Sign and support the inevitable nerf. Show your unflagging support for the wisdom of CCP. Don't circumvent your own inadequacies by nerfing a completely unrelated tool. The problem with moms in lowsec is that they smartbomb on the gates. If they deployed their fighters the fighters would just get creamed by sentries, unless they were in a large group of BSs too, when the whole issue is negated by the fact that it is no longer solopwn.

Davlin Lotze STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2007.10.23 17:40:00 - [21] Originally by: Hyakuchan TROLL BABBLE Did your ibis get popped whilst afking through low sec?
Gyle Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.10.23 17:49:00 - [22] Originally by: Hyakuchan Edited by: Hyakuchan on 23/10/2007 16:53:40 Originally by: Durgan Kael I would never die in this game if I never made mistakes... Thats WHY you die, you make a stupid mistake, enemies capitalized, that goes for any class ship. No, you see that's where you're wrong. For purposes of argument I'm limiting mistakes to the scope of "upon sighting the enemy". If I go into a dangerous situation the the assumption that I'll need to get out of it then yes you're correct that you can avoid all traps. However, the problem is that a mothership does not have to avoid anything and can still get off free. A titan has to choose it's fights carefully. Since it's ability to obliterate fleets directly impacts it's ability to jump out, a titan pilot must make a painstaking choice as to whether to fight or run. Typically, they run. Partly because if he doesn't his alliance will tear off his limbs and beat him to death with them, and partly because the forums will repeat the process with his reassembled corpse. The mothership pilot does not need to make this decision because it costs the mothership pilot nothing in terms of cap to bring his full armament to bear. He sits, dishing out immense dps knowing full well that he can jump out the second the battle turns against him because he's in lowsec and has an alt waiting to give him a cyano. No other ship is singularly immune to death. Even the titan, with it's own ewar immunity, cannot fight and retain the ability to run. And every other ship in the game is vunerable to defeat in one way or another. Certainly there are ways to mitigate the threat but not eliminate it entirely. MOMs are invunerable in lowsec if the pilot isn't a moron. People have known this for more then a year now and have been screaming about it just about as long. With CCP planning to eventually use lowsec as the grounds for eventual faction warfare, it makes sense that they're aiming to take out the lowsec solo pirate trash by taking away the biggest "I win" button in the game. If they don't do this, then when they do introduce faction warfare it will be ONLY mothership pilots who partake in it because they'll be the only ones equipped to survive the environment. Actualy he isnt wrong dude. That x13 kill was textbook. With those BS that warped in as you can see dont seem to pose a threat in itself. But the engaging fleet had somthin rediculous like 20 neuts on him. By the time he realised he was in trouble he no longer had the cap to jump. Just because people cant be bothered to put the effort in to kill a 30-60 (fittings included) billion isk ship, doesnt mean that you should be abel to scramble them in a punnisher. Get the messege dude. no one is signing your petition.
Excido Charon	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:01:00 - [23] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean No but i am tired of noob morons and others who wanna make more isk by flying through/mining/mission running in low sec and think it should be as safe as empire and do not use a scout when they jump into it. Im also bored with low SP ppl who want their ships to be equal to high SP guys and instead of using e-war(against carriers) and smart tactics, but instead seem to want nerf after nerf so they drag us down instead of building themselves up. Exactly my thoughts. I learned awhile ago the way to counter higher SP characters is either with several buddies, or using these things called 'tactics'...something that the noobs can't seem to understand. Even 2 new players with the right e-war can take on guys years older than them. Sigh. But I guess it's so much easier to scream 'nerf!' instead of improving yourself. Let someone else do the work for you, that's ingenious. Since it actually works, I guess I'm only being partially sarcastic on that last bit. >_>
General Oniell Rulers Of Mankind Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:18:00 - [24] wow you are (almost) officially the dumbest ****** in eve right bout now. granted the dev with the idea on nerfing the carrier's ability to control all of its fighters is right up there with you :) the x13 guys did an amazing job at taking down that mom in lowsec. which just goes to show you how vulnerable they actually are. with the right force and the right tactics, it can be done. and they just proved it. next time, use a scout. dont go crying nerf for some stupid mistake you made. nOOb
Hyakuchan Earth Federation Space Force	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:33:00 - [25] Originally by: General Oniell the x13 guys did an amazing job at taking down that mom in lowsec No. The pilot simply boofed his exit strategy and got stuck. They didn't kill him, he killed himself and they just held the blade. -------------------------------------------------- "Only the stupid rob the poor."
Druadan Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:51:00 - [26] Edited by: Druadan on 23/10/2007 18:51:17 Originally by: Hyakuchan Edited by: Hyakuchan on 23/10/2007 18:40:25 Originally by: General Oniell the x13 guys did an amazing job at taking down that mom in lowsec No. The pilot simply boofed and got stuck without an escape. They didn't kill him, he killed himself and they just held the blade. Consider: You have a steamroller driving towards a rabbit. It's driving really slow and the rabbit can run fast. Rabbit gets crushed. All we can deduce is that the rabbit was an idiot. We can all be glad that such a stupid rabbit got darwinned before it could make more stupid offspring. I could not begin to express in mere words how bad your logic is, and how you are blinding yourself to things you simply wish to ignore.
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:53:00 - [27] Edited by: marakor on 23/10/2007 18:55:22 Originally by: Hyakuchan Edited by: Hyakuchan on 23/10/2007 18:40:25 Originally by: General Oniell the x13 guys did an amazing job at taking down that mom in lowsec No. The pilot simply boofed and got stuck without an escape. They didn't kill him, he killed himself and they just held the blade. Consider: You have a steamroller driving towards a rabbit. It's driving really slow and the rabbit can run fast. Rabbit gets crushed. All we can deduce is that the rabbit was an idiot. We can all be glad that such a stupid rabbit got darwinned before it could make more stupid offspring. pretty much like a diched who jumps into low sec without a scout and sticks around long enough for a MS to lock him. How many low sec MS gate camps are there in eve lol you make it sound like every entry gate is camped. The opinions that i give are the opinions of my corp although my alts opinions may differ as this
Local Her0 Minmatar La Mancha Corp	Posted - 2007.10.23 18:55:00 - [28] /signed
Hyakuchan Earth Federation Space Force	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:03:00 - [29] Edited by: Hyakuchan on 23/10/2007 19:04:06 Originally by: marakor How many low sec MS gate camps are there in eve lol you make it sound like every entry gate is camped. CCP is clearly assuming that will eventually be the case if nothing is done about it. In the absence of any check on the dominance of motherships, that is the eventual outcome. -------------------------------------------------- "Only the stupid rob the poor."
ITTigerClawIK Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:06:00 - [30] NOT sighned use a scout and use your logic and fire on fighters not the carrier first.... need a say more? Sig space reclaimed in the name of me -courtesy of Tiggy ([email protected])

Excido Charon	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:08:00 - [31] Originally by: Hyakuchan Edited by: Hyakuchan on 23/10/2007 19:04:06 Originally by: marakor How many low sec MS gate camps are there in eve lol you make it sound like every entry gate is camped. CCP is clearly assuming that will eventually be the case if nothing is done about it. In the absence of any check on the dominance of motherships, that is the eventual outcome. Considering the time and resources required to construct and train up for one, I highly doubt that. But obviously since we're worried about gatecamps we should nerf Mobile Warp Disruptors, and the range of warp scramblers! Hell, I have an idea. Let's keep on nerfing eve. Amarr will become Rock. Minmitar will become Paper. Caldari will become Scissors. And Gallente will become Water, but then will be removed since that's unbalanced for Rock and Scissors. THAT is the inevitable gameplay result of excessive nerfing.
Hyakuchan Earth Federation Space Force	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:14:00 - [32] Originally by: Excido Charon Considering the time and resources required to construct and train up for one, I highly doubt that. Then you are a dangerously shortsighted WoW reroller. The list of people with MoM piloting skills is growing, not shrinking. As there are a finite number of gates to camp and a much larger number of current and potential players, anyone who doesn't believe that there could potentially be a mom gatecamp at every gate in lowsec in the fullness of time... well... must believe that eve will someday be shut down. Which is a rather fatalistic view of the product, if you ask me. Your clarivoyance has not given you the day CCP will offline TQ, or tell you how long it will take for the number of mom pilots will outnumber the number of systems in lowsec. This ship class is now the ultimate power in EVE. I suggest we nerf it. -------------------------------------------------- "Only the stupid rob the poor."
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:16:00 - [33] Originally by: Hyakuchan Edited by: Hyakuchan on 23/10/2007 19:04:06 Originally by: marakor How many low sec MS gate camps are there in eve lol you make it sound like every entry gate is camped. CCP is clearly assuming that will eventually be the case if nothing is done about it. In the absence of any check on the dominance of motherships, that is the eventual outcome. lol theres about 1000 low sec entry points in eve so on the day they are all camped by MS we will all be flying dreads. gratz on the daftest reason to nerf carriers and MS so far. My views may represent those of my corp/alliance but you will have to ask em to be sure.
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:20:00 - [34] Have you noticed that the threads hating the idea have reached 40 pages of negative remarks about it and this thread has 2 pages of ppl mostly cutting down the very very few who like the idea. lol Theres you answer The opinions that i give are the opinions of my corp although my alts opinions may differ as this
Coolgamer Minmatar Res Publica R i s e	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:20:00 - [35] Originally by: Icome4u Never. Now go cry about losing your T1 frigate to a Mothership. lol yea that sum up the thing about mom ^^ and the sigs say it all : SAVE carrier and Moms
Etil DeLaFuente Res Publica R i s e	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:20:00 - [36] boost noob ships ! i can't kill a bs with it
stummer	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:21:00 - [37] Moms in lowsec is a problem and i think most people would acknowldge that , but what there proposing has very little to do with that i think making moms scramable in lowsec is the easiest answer, simple.
Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:27:00 - [38] Hyakuchan your inexperience in this game shows a lot. Maybe you should be more worried about learning about the game than trolling on the forum? Also, it doesn't matter if the list of people who can fly Mom's grow. Theirs a big difference between 'I can fly it' and 'I can buy it'. Something like 1/100 carrier pilot can afford a Mom, and lately seeing how they pop all over the place they probably won't spend 35 billion isk for one + fittings. if they can afford one, GOOD FOR THEM. They earned it (unless they bought isk, well then ban them). You guys want to nerf people who worked their @$$ to fly a ship... wtf? Go quit EVE.
Hyakuchan Earth Federation Space Force	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:35:00 - [39] Edited by: Hyakuchan on 23/10/2007 19:36:57 Originally by: marakor Have you noticed that the threads hating the idea have reached 40 pages of negative remarks about it and this thread has 2 pages of ppl mostly cutting down the very very few who like the idea. The change is on SiSi. Have a nice day. You see, my inexperience matters very little here. The root of the matter is, I'm arguing in favor of something the devs are already putting into effect. Which means whether my reasoning is right or wrong, in the end I'll have the last laugh because the devs aren't apt to reverse direction. -------------------------------------------------- "Only the stupid rob the poor."
Razor Jaxx Minmatar Cosmic Odyssey	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:42:00 - [40] Originally by: Icome4u Hyakuchan your inexperience in this game shows a lot. Maybe you should be more worried about learning about the game than trolling on the forum? Also, it doesn't matter if the list of people who can fly Mom's grow. Theirs a big difference between 'I can fly it' and 'I can buy it'. Something like 1/100 carrier pilot can afford a Mom, and lately seeing how they pop all over the place they probably won't spend 35 billion isk for one + fittings. if they can afford one, GOOD FOR THEM. They earned it (unless they bought isk, well then ban them). You guys want to nerf people who worked their @$$ to fly a ship... wtf? Go quit EVE. 1. I take it from your post you don't oppose the changes being applied to carriers only, then? 2. Nobody held a gun to your head asking you to "work your @$$ off to get that ship". You did it because you wanted to. Hence the effort you put into getting that ship does not make it untouchable. 3. According to your own pledges, you're the one quitting EVE right now, aren't you?

Armoured C Gallente Deviance Inc DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:44:00 - [41] hey people keep thinking they are i win buttons when they are not you obvisiouly dont see eve tv even though it free in the last 2 months 12 motherships have died they can be stopped from warping by bumping if you organise a fleet they can be killed hell some corp did it with planning and tactiful decisions they nosed it so it couldnt ump out bumped it so it couldnt warped and then killed of it fighter and then killed it all in under 4 minutes never say it can be done they arnt invincible stop being a noob and train better skills instad of expecting everything to come to you /not signed low sec is low sec for a reason and that is that there is VERY LITTLE OR NO PROTECTION FOR YOU, if you know you dont have the skills to survive then DONT GO IN. if you cant afford to loose it dont risk it >_> noobs you can easily live with out them
Excido Charon	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:55:00 - [42] Originally by: Hyakuchan Then you are a dangerously shortsighted WoW reroller. Shortsighted? I have doubts that I'm the one who is shortsighted in this matter, seeing as it is you who uses the logic 'It is powerful, it must be nerfed'. The build requirements for the mom are HUGE, and the time to train up for one is months, and then some if you want to be decent at handling it. The mom is a 'Super Capital', just like the Titan is. It's the top of the food chain. Either blob it, or use another Super Capital to take it down. Originally by: Hyakuchan The list of people with MoM piloting skills is growing, not shrinking. As there are a finite number of gates to camp and a much larger number of current and potential players, anyone who doesn't believe that there could potentially be a mom gatecamp at every gate in lowsec in the fullness of time... well... must believe that eve will someday be shut down. Seeing as many moms have been destroyed lately, I think that mom pilots and mom pilots in-training will be more careful about leaving their precious POS's safety and doing something as petty as gatecamping. Originally by: Hyakuchan Your sad devotion to that overpowered ship class has not helped you conjure up a reason why it should stay overpowered, or given you clairvoyance enough to know when there will be more mom pilots then gates to camp... This ship is now the ultimate power in EVE. I suggest we nerf it. I will say it again. It's a super cap. Super cap eats cap. Cap eats BB. BB eats CC. CC eats...well I'm sure you get how this works. Moms aren't the only thing gatecamping. Blobs and bubbles are even more common in low sec / no sec from what I've seen, and I'm much more afraid of those than moms.
Nexnecis Umbra	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:59:00 - [43] OMG Because YOU SEE A MOTHER SHIP AT EVERY GATE IN LOW SEC ...... wtf dude... im a low sp player.. and im not surprised that a bs gets insta popd ive seed cruisers insta popd by battle ships.. its the food chain and the whole SO MANY MOTHER SHIP PILOTS EVE WILL BE SHUT DOWN.... -_-...yah cuz at one time there were soooo many battle ship pilots.. oh wait then people got dreds mommies ext people always find a way to kill it or get a ship thats better.. .its like saying people will one day all camp with Titans... your whining because one frigate cant take on a dessy... thats about what im getting out of this... ether train up and get one.. or learn how to kill em ...thats what every one els has done...
Hyakuchan Earth Federation Space Force	Posted - 2007.10.23 20:03:00 - [44] Edited by: Hyakuchan on 23/10/2007 20:07:12 Originally by: Excido Charon or use another Super Capital to take it down. Fine. Convince the devs to give EVE a capship class that's up to the task. Titans are anti-fleet ships and dreads are anti-station ships. EVE needs a capship killing capship with a single target superweapon. Something with no tanking to speak of that can be used to queen-trade a dread or carrier in a single shot, and a mom/titan in gangs. -------------------------------------------------- "Only the stupid rob the poor."
Excido Charon	Posted - 2007.10.23 20:12:00 - [45] I am a much larger fan of the idea of an anti-cap ship than I am of the nerf-bat being swung hard yet again.
Armoured C Gallente Deviance Inc DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.10.23 20:12:00 - [46] err dreads kill mom just fine you need a few since IT A SUPERCAP dip**** if a CORP not ALLIANCE A CORP can kill a MOM in under 4 minutes using only one dread then there is no problem and that proves that they arnt a i win button as this guy lost watch latest episode to find out more of eve tv actually know what your talking about noob you need to have a stragity .. a attack plan not a noob who wishes he had a nerf bat
Hyakuchan Earth Federation Space Force	Posted - 2007.10.23 20:18:00 - [47] Originally by: Armoured C actually know what your talking about Don't need to. The devs are doing what I want them to do, which means I can just stand here and gloat about it. Your indignation won't save your overpowered mechanic from the bat. -------------------------------------------------- "Only the stupid rob the poor."
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.10.23 20:23:00 - [48] Mods, I ask that you close this thread. The OP's last post shows just how much Troll Bait this thread is. He makes no pretense of actually wanting balance - just that it benefits himself personally. Pure Troll.
JonVe Gallente FireTech Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.23 20:31:00 - [49] ANTI SIGNED
CareBeer	Posted - 2007.10.23 20:52:00 - [50] /Signed

Senghir Amarr Deep Space Security	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:07:00 - [51] /signed. A nerf to overpowered ships is always good.
Buckeroo Bonzai	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:12:00 - [52] I will never support this idea. /NOT SIGNED
BugxEarl Amarr Division 9 Golden Leaves Izanagi Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:40:00 - [53] This thread fails on a massive scale. /NOT signed
Bryandale Lewis	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:06:00 - [54] Edited by: Bryandale Lewis on 23/10/2007 22:06:44 I'd prefer they just get rid of them as they are now. All Caps. And remove the idea of these cyno jumps completely. It is a lousy idea. Dreadnought should be a step up from battleships. Carriers should be weak in defense and strong in offense. Point defense should work and drones should have an 'attack enemy drones' option. POS offense and defense needs to be downgraded to a level where a normal (read doesn't have any caps of the present game) fleet can engage them. Remove the current skills needed for caps and refund the skills point to be re-allocated. Just my opinion.
Secure Container	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:11:00 - [55] so.. basically ccp says that the carrier is just a really expensive, skill intensive logistics ship.. 90% of bs can easily tank 5 fighters so it has little to no attack ability a logistics can rep more,is expendible, cost less for ship,modules & skills & takes so much less time to train for assigning fighters is only really useful on ships that dont have much drone space so it nerfs gallente more than the rest & actually becuz of that a moros has more drone dps than a thanatos or a nyx & that seems extremely out of line.. omg wait i shouldnt have said that now every noob will want to nerf dreads so there 3mil sp bs pilot can permitank a 50m sp moros pilot with t2 sentries. i do think that super caps should be ajusted..but that easily done by no longer allowing them in low sec..perhaps a new cyno generator that only works in 0.0 or if that isnt enough maybe a pos cyno gen that only allows super caps to operate withen systems you have soviernty of? theres tons of ways that could help even gameplay without nerfing everyship becuase its doing what exactly its name implies
Armoured C Gallente Deviance Inc DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:46:00 - [56] Originally by: Secure Container so.. basically ccp says that the carrier is just a really expensive, skill intensive logistics ship.. 90% of bs can easily tank 5 fighters so it has little to no attack ability a logistics can rep more,is expendible, cost less for ship,modules & skills & takes so much less time to train for assigning fighters is only really useful on ships that dont have much drone space so it nerfs gallente more than the rest & actually becuz of that a moros has more drone dps than a thanatos or a nyx & that seems extremely out of line.. omg wait i shouldnt have said that now every noob will want to nerf dreads so there 3mil sp bs pilot can permitank a 50m sp moros pilot with t2 sentries. i do think that super caps should be ajusted..but that easily done by no longer allowing them in low sec..perhaps a new cyno generator that only works in 0.0 or if that isnt enough maybe a pos cyno gen that only allows super caps to operate withen systems you have soviernty of? theres tons of ways that could help even gameplay without nerfing everyship becuase its doing what exactly its name implies that a idea but to hard for the noobies as they will want to come into 0.0 next with out being attacked, asww life is hard suck it up stop whining about blobs i never seen a MOM blob and you go on like here everywhere, apart in the fact that 12 mom have been destroyed in the last 2 month should tell you that they are weak enough why nerf them some more yeah 12 not 0 like the SOLOPWNMOBILEWTFBBQSPITTINGHELLDRAGON you think they are 12
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.24 00:23:00 - [57] Originally by: Hyakuchan In the end, TQ will wind up as I believe it will because the devs are already working towards that end. Which means in the long run, I'll come out of this with credibility for picking the winner and you'll come out like an obstinate griefer crying about losing his insta-win gimmick.[/i] Since when is a MS a insta win ship?. 1) 30+ billion un-fitted 2) Needs a big alliance to even build one and defend it while it cooks. 3) A player who wants one is in it until its popped PPL like you are the worst kind of gamers and have no idea what eve is about as you think you need to lower others rather than build yourself up. This carrier nerf is making a capital hauler from what should be a very effective combat ship. And the idea that low sec will be camped by fleets of motherships is the most ******** and unknowledgable statment ive ever heard. And i suggest you get online and look up the word credibility cos you have none and backing ccp in this makes you a sheep not a visionary or what ever else you think you are. My views may represent those of my corp/alliance but you will have to ask em to be sure.


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