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Willige Sklavin69	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:00:00 - [1] pve: drake would be better as golem by killing BS.. most of golem missiles would be destroyed by defender from npc's. torps are useless by short range. pvp: pvp with target painter? no thanks. there are more important things to fit in med-slots.
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:03:00 - [2] Edited by: lofty29 on 23/10/2007 21:03:44 Again I'll say don't NPC vs guristas. GTFO of motsu. Other NPCs have nowhere near as much defender spam. --- Latest Video : FAT- Camp
Azuse The Brotherhood Of The Blade Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:05:00 - [3] fly gallente? No bs is a wtf pwn machine for all npcs. If one race isn't great use another, difficult to work out? --------------------------
Willige Sklavin69	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:13:00 - [4] you forgot: golem is caldari ship, so it should be good vs guristas. for now it is't.
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:23:00 - [5] You guys do realize NPC ECM is straight chance based and does not care about your sensor strength, right?
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:27:00 - [6] Originally by: Xequecal You guys do realize NPC ECM is straight chance based and does not care about your sensor strength, right? Wait, what? ECCM would be useless on a missions boat? ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
Closer Still	Posted - 2007.10.24 00:33:00 - [7] well then, nobody can complain about ravens, or their older brother, being the pve king.. so in essence now the pve race gets out pve'ed.. touche ccp, touche..
shinsushi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.10.24 00:35:00 - [8] As per the devs, rat's ECM is percentage based. Either it hits you or it doesn't, sensor stregnth doesn't help. (according to them anyway) (oh its in the dev blog thread somewhere) AMARR - Taking it up the butt since 2005
Commander Prishe Caldari The LoneStar Corp Edge Of Sanity	Posted - 2007.10.24 01:17:00 - [9] When we asked for a salvage ship we didnt mean incorporate it into the T2 mission BS's Congratulations on the huge failure
bldyannoyed Un4seen Development	Posted - 2007.10.24 01:37:00 - [10] It's got nothing to do with guristsas. Every NPC race magically seems to be able to vomit defenders at an alarming rate. With torps out of the PvE picture a golem is going to lose 50% of its dps to defender spam. **** aint it? http://eve.thefotb.com/rev3/oct17/New_pirate_implants.jpg
Closer Still	Posted - 2007.10.24 02:43:00 - [11] Originally by: bldyannoyed It's got nothing to do with guristsas. Every NPC race magically seems to be able to vomit defenders at an alarming rate. With torps out of the PvE picture a golem is going to lose 50% of its dps to defender spam. **** aint it? yep yep.. guess training minmatar battleship for pvp will also help me run missions.
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.24 02:44:00 - [12] Originally by: Closer Still Originally by: bldyannoyed It's got nothing to do with guristsas. Every NPC race magically seems to be able to vomit defenders at an alarming rate. With torps out of the PvE picture a golem is going to lose 50% of its dps to defender spam. **** aint it? yep yep.. guess training minmatar battleship for pvp will also help me run missions. only if that includes being able to fly a cnr:)
Vitrael Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.24 02:47:00 - [13] Originally by: bldyannoyed It's got nothing to do with guristsas. Every NPC race magically seems to be able to vomit defenders at an alarming rate. With torps out of the PvE picture a golem is going to lose 50% of its dps to defender spam. **** aint it? Unless, heaven forbid! the Caldari actually have to start thinking to use their weapons and get within 30km of their targets? Granted NPC defender spam is unfair, and it's not just limited to Guristas. I have had a Serpentis battleship take out 5 of 6 cruise missiles in a particular salvo. It's out of hand if you ask me.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2007.10.24 02:53:00 - [14] I lawl at people trying to balance ships in PVE by arguing for a Caldari missile boat buff.
Kon sama	Posted - 2007.10.24 04:31:00 - [15] Edited by: Kon sama on 24/10/2007 04:31:51 Originally by: Vitrael Originally by: bldyannoyed It's got nothing to do with guristsas. Every NPC race magically seems to be able to vomit defenders at an alarming rate. With torps out of the PvE picture a golem is going to lose 50% of its dps to defender spam. **** aint it? lol. slowboating in a raven. Caldari is the heaviest and slowest already
Xaldor	Posted - 2007.10.24 04:49:00 - [16] All NPCs spam defenders, I haven't noticed a higher rate of defender spam from Guristas. Reading the CCP info on the NPC ships, none get defender bonuses. Even if you add in a bonus reducing the chance of a defender from taking out a missile by 50%, it will still be very streaky and if you have a BS down to 30% shields and get a crap run then the ship will be back to 80% shields before you know it. The 100% damage principal was fine for all other weapon types but for Caldari they should have been a 100% RoF bonus and 100% launcher capacity bonus.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.24 04:56:00 - [17] Originally by: Willige Sklavin69 pve: drake would be better as golem by killing BS.. most of golem missiles would be destroyed by defender from npc's. torps are useless by short range. pvp: pvp with target painter? no thanks. there are more important things to fit in med-slots. Stop posting. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Mattadore	Posted - 2007.10.24 05:08:00 - [18] Stfu, Golem is fine. You just have to know how to fit/use it.
Ararius EP0CH Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.10.24 05:59:00 - [19] Originally by: Mattadore Stfu, Golem is fine. You just have to know how to fit/use it. Do you know from first hand experience? And the golem has 7 mids, 5 slot tank, cap booster and painter. And the painter helps everyone too! Thats pretty much PWNAGE for any battleship tbh. But what do I know? Im ugly, just look at my face!
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.24 06:04:00 - [20] Aside from doing less damage than a CNR, the ship is not so bad. It is the best of the three not-so-hot Marauders. A far cry from the Gal one though. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Italian Wedding Soup Of The Day	Posted - 2007.10.24 06:06:00 - [21] Caldari and Close Range don't mix people. When I NPC in missions I usually have atleast 2 cruise missile on average get shot down by defenders if range is 35km or greater. If two missiles get shot down by defenders vs the Golem, it would be pretty sad. Caldari are very slow and very heavy and rely on mid slots for tank, not a painter, an AB, a webber, and a cap injector. That leaves a very, very crappy tank.
Xaldor	Posted - 2007.10.24 06:07:00 - [22] Originally by: Ararius Originally by: Mattadore Stfu, Golem is fine. You just have to know how to fit/use it. Do you know from first hand experience? And the golem has 7 mids, 5 slot tank, cap booster and painter. And the painter helps everyone too! Thats pretty much PWNAGE for any battleship tbh. But what do I know? It doesn't matter what you fit onto it, it wont stop defenders shooting your missiles down and with you only shooting 4 at a time that is a fair chunk of your dps being blown up before it gets there.
Dapanman1 Amarr Beets and Gravy Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.24 06:09:00 - [23] Correct me if I'm wrong, but at first glance I see equal dps to a regular Raven, if not less, due to defenders. Also, the one and only raven that I ever bought, is still living, and has done countless level 4 missions and I have 17k sp in shield skills and level 1 cruise missiles. So I can't exactly see the advantages of a Golem in solo pve, unless it can tank and break level 5 npcs. Beets, you're among friends.
Xaldor	Posted - 2007.10.24 06:22:00 - [24] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Aside from doing less damage than a CNR, the ship is not so bad. It is the best of the three not-so-hot Marauders. A far cry from the Gal one though. I like the Vargur, if I had to pick one of the ships to train up for it would definitely be that one. The only concern is it's pretty sucky powergrid atm.
Catelco Segunda Fundacion O X I D E	Posted - 2007.10.24 06:22:00 - [25] Then just use a Raven or a CNR. Caldari have the best ZOMG-PVE-AFK-PWN-MOBILE BS and BC no need for a third easy-mode mission running ship
Riho Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.10.24 06:25:00 - [26] Originally by: Acoco Osiris Originally by: Xequecal You guys do realize NPC ECM is straight chance based and does not care about your sensor strength, right? Wait, what? ECCM would be useless on a missions boat? only if u want to make urself harder to probe out :)
Xaldor	Posted - 2007.10.24 06:48:00 - [27] Originally by: Catelco Then just use a Raven or a CNR. Caldari have the best ZOMG-PVE-AFK-PWN-MOBILE BS and BC no need for a third easy-mode mission running ship PvE is the only thing Caldari is good for. :P If the ships don't have that advantage then they have nothing going for them. ;)
Lumelame	Posted - 2007.10.24 06:49:00 - [28] Originally by: Xequecal You guys do realize NPC ECM is straight chance based and does not care about your sensor strength, right? A lot of people doesn't know how defenders works on NPC NPC Defender is also straight chance based.
Gnord	Posted - 2007.10.24 07:14:00 - [29] Originally by: Commander Prishe When we asked for a salvage ship we didnt mean incorporate it into the T2 mission BS's Congratulations on the huge failure I have to say in fact that is BRILLIANT. I really hated having to switch ships. I wouldn't have thought of it myself, and if I had, I wouldn't have expected it to be implemented, but I REALLY LIKE the idea that I won't have to switch ships to salvage.

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