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fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.24 10:30:00 - [31] Edited by: fire 59 on 24/10/2007 10:30:32 Originally by: Dysfunctionality S**t happens. Don't haul expensive cargo in paper thin ships. Lesson learned, move on. This sums it up nicely. Concorde provide consequence, not protection from lack of preparedness. They are many many ways to survive with valuables in hi-sec, do a search or something and learn some tips. Been moving stuff around for almost 3 years now and have never been suicide ganked, but i take precautions, although there have been attempts, my preparations saved me. When the dust settles, who will be standing...
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.24 10:38:00 - [32] If you do buy another tower ill happily fly escort for you with remote reps and things. be warned my and my guys will have to keep you locked the whole time so we can rep you if your in danger
Grunanca Fusion Mercenaries	Posted - 2007.10.24 10:38:00 - [33] Edited by: Grunanca on 24/10/2007 10:38:42 Lesson learned... Suicide gankers tend to take on anything that will give just a small income. Personally I got more than 20 solo ganks in my time. If any of these haulers had just had a medium shield extender in the ship, they would have been left alone. Also... Dont leave covert ops ships afk at gates. That shiny covert ops cloaking device II in a paper ship makes my F buttons hot!
Plaetean Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.10.24 10:42:00 - [34] No. Darwin > You. Just stop being stupid. -----
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.24 10:59:00 - [35] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 24/10/2007 10:59:18 Can I have the rest of your stuff? Seriously, hauling 500 M in a 1M ship (probably not tank-fit, either) is sheer lunacy, and especially doing it AFK. Cargo insurance is a bad, bad idea. Also, congratulations on making the (nearly) perfect forum whine, with the 'I'll cancel my X accounts' threat in the end, but you really should've cited more accounts to make it really epic. Saying "If you don't fix it, CCP, I'll cancel my 94 alt accounts!" would've been better from the drama aspect. Ah, well. You'll get it right when you lose another 500M industrial
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.10.24 10:59:00 - [36] Originally by: Plaetean No. Darwin > You. Just stop being stupid. Dammit, I was going to be the one who put the great Darwinian game that is EVE > You. Some players are just not supposed to survive, goodbye to you: wassname? ============================================
RoSsCs Caldari Jupiter Mining Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2007.10.24 11:12:00 - [37] I may be wrong, but by the looks of it he didn't really work for the isk for that tower, well not in eve anyway: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=610970&page=1#2 Time to sell some more timecodes?
Celeritas 5k Caldari Initrode The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.10.24 11:19:00 - [38] Originally by: RoSsCs I may be wrong, but by the looks of it he didn't really work for the isk for that tower, well not in eve anyway: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=610970&page=1#2 Time to sell some more timecodes? 500 mil, how much is that in GTC's? How much RL Cash did he lose for being stupid? - Always be Happy, Never be satisfied.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.24 11:24:00 - [39] Originally by: Celeritas 5k Originally by: RoSsCs I may be wrong, but by the looks of it he didn't really work for the isk for that tower, well not in eve anyway: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=610970&page=1#2 Time to sell some more timecodes? 500 mil, how much is that in GTC's? How much RL Cash did he lose for being stupid? I'd say around $60 in GTCs.
Celeritas 5k Caldari Initrode The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.10.24 11:29:00 - [40] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan I'd say around $60 in GTCs. Absolutely beautiful! I love when people get punished for being stupid, it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside... Except of course when I'm the one that was stupid - Always be Happy, Never be satisfied.
Unvisibility	Posted - 2007.10.24 11:29:00 - [41] This, IMO, is the only good thing about the RMT via GTC's that EVE has now - the idiot tax is now applied to real life wallets instead of just imaginary ones
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.24 11:32:00 - [42] Originally by: Unvisibility This, IMO, is the only good thing about the RMT via GTC's that EVE has now - the idiot tax is now applied to real life wallets instead of just imaginary ones Idiot tax... I like it.
u die Minmatar Sugarcane Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.24 11:37:00 - [43] Originally by: Kretin Arnon Can I have your insurance? lol'd hard ________________________________________________
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.24 11:48:00 - [44] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 24/10/2007 11:48:42 Well an insurance, rouhgly, could be a reasonable thing in these numbers: 30% of your cargo base market value(or some such) will be the cost to insure your cargo. If the cargo is moved to another character, jettisoned, repacked, OR leaves your ships cargohold in any other way, the insurance is nulled. You do NOT regain your the ISK it cost to take the insurance in case of pewpew accident OR incase you deliver the goods. The insurance only covers for the duration the items remain in the "insurance box", as in, your cargohold. When your ship is destroyed, with the cargo in it, and you do not regain the cargo with the same character, you gain 70% of the value. This way, delivering goods will cost 130% of the value, but if it gets destroyed, you get back some, and it doesn't encourage exploitation. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.24 12:00:00 - [45] I think people should take precautions with their cargo. Just because you're stupid with hundreds of millions of ISK worth of goods doesn't mean there needs to be insurance to cover your stupidity. Being someone that lives in low sec, I know all about having to be cautious. When I need to move 600m in Salvage, do I buy a hauler, fit no modules and have a go across 5 jumps of low sec and hope for the best? Of course not. I shovel it all into a Buzzard, fit as good of a tank as grid will allow, check local intel channels, and go quietly. If I need to move a hauler through there, I make sure it's a Badger Mark II with the best shield tank I can shoehorn in, along with a Cloak. If a corp mate is on, I ask for a scout. If not, I toss an alt out there. If you're going to haul valuable stuff, but can't be arsed to spend a few hundred thousand ISK in "insurance" in the form of Shield Extenders/hardeners, then you deserve to lose everything you've stuffed into your fresh off the market Iteron I.
Freya Selene Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.24 12:12:00 - [46] Originally by: Chronnick Bladerunner CCP DEVS If I can't insure ships mods and contents I'll be gone period I have lost all interest... Letting my 4 accounts expire. I will check forums once a month until I see cargo insurance is in game.. Until then.. buh bye.. Here i stopt feeling sorry. You got shot "again", so basicly your to blund to learn and adept. Can i have your stuff?
abbagabba Gallente Monster Raving Loonies	Posted - 2007.10.24 12:23:00 - [47] 2007.10.24 02:11 Victim: ***** Alliance: NONE Corp: *** System: *** Security: 0.5 Involved parties: Name: abbagabba (laid the final blow) Security: -4.4 Alliance: NONE Corp: Monster Raving Loonies Ship: Brutix Weapon: Regulated Neutron Phase Cannon I Destroyed items: Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II True Sansha Control Tower (Cargo) Other fittings : 1 istab You've almost made me feel bad by your whine fest of a post. But then I come back to thinking 'how could anyone have earned 500M and remained so stupid?' This toon (not the OP but an alt) was one and a half years old and is involved in POS construction. Time for a transport ship?
Nohl Faugh a Ballagh	Posted - 2007.10.24 12:25:00 - [48] Quote: Tabula Rasa here I come Might want to try World of Warcraft instead. The only penalty for being a ****** there is a couple minutes running back to your corpse.
Danzig256k Caldari Mortal Devastating Kin	Posted - 2007.10.24 12:32:00 - [49] Edited by: Danzig256k on 24/10/2007 12:33:25 Originally by: Neth'Rae you only have yourself to blame.. You could have gotten a more secure hauler and maybe friendly logistic or someone with remote reps.. could of put a few T2 cargo mods on a domi, sure ya would of have to make a few trips, but BS's rarely are instapopped in hi sec. look at it this way, now ya got kill rights on the mo fo, bring a few friends ;)
Fswd	Posted - 2007.10.24 12:35:00 - [50] Concord provides consequences, no protection. Can i have your stuff? --- Free exotic dancers for mods that mod my sig Snip Please do not discuss moderation in your signature. -Yipsilanti ([email protected]) <-- freebie for you
Iyanah Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem R i s e	Posted - 2007.10.24 12:38:00 - [51] Originally by: Chronnick Bladerunner This is the LAST straw!!! Im SICK and @#$%^&* tired of getting blown up in 0.5 with lazy ass cops watching as some twisted sadistic scum once again screws months of my work..THIS time by destroying the True Sansha Tower I had FINALLY been able to buy... (no doubt only in hopes it would survive for the looting, lazy ass scab) WELL!!! So much for having my own POS... thats down the toilet now. AND YAY I get 200k compensation!!! I can maybe purchase a whole FRIGATE with THAT! I'll be UBER!!!! Not bad for losing 505 million worth of True Sansha Control tower! I feel like I just wasted 6 months of my life. This game is getting old WAY fast. CCP DEVS If I can't insure ships mods and contents I'll be gone period And to THINK I was just gearing up to invest even MORE time and money into EVE!! Losing 500 million worth months of work in a flash to some greedy lazy human scum has laid the last straw on the camels back. I have lost all interest... Letting my 4 accounts expire. I will check forums once a month until I see cargo insurance is in game.. Until then.. buh bye.. Tabula Rasa here I come well why did you haul an expensive tower unprotected in a paperthin ship? you got hisec ganked? serves you right, tbh. also tabula rasa is awful, it's all well and good for about the first 10 levels, then it's the same old constant grind and gets boring fast. also it's got more bugs than a 100 foot tall ant hill. i've been in the beta for ages, and i gave up on it, i was so sick of glitching through every bit of terrain and getting stuck, having missions get borked, instances going nuts, crafting not working whatsoever. good luck with that, tbh. in future, if you're moving something expensive like that, using a t1 hauler is probably not your best bet. and doing it solo is BEGGING to be ganked. to be fair, i immagine the gankers are also gutted - your tower exploded so they couldn't loot it and recover the losses of their concordoken. of course if they were war targets, then you really earned that loss. ========================================== Iy please remember: I AM a sarcastic ******* and nothing i say has ever represented the thoughts or feelings of my corp, alliance, or anyone really. read
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.24 14:31:00 - [52] Originally by: Iyanah well why did you haul an expensive tower unprotected in a paperthin ship? Because he's stupid.
Yakoff Star Scream Inc. Ultima Rati0	Posted - 2007.10.24 15:00:00 - [53] Originally by: Tortun Nahme dont let the docking platform hit you on the way out yay! EvE is free on one more useless database entry! You are incorrect in your assessment, sir. He is letting 4 - count them - 4 accounts expire. That is 4 less useless database entries. And for those asking for his stuff, sounds like he has no stuff left - some ebil piwates have it all.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2007.10.24 15:14:00 - [54] Ok that's it! I'm going to get in on this suicide ganking action while I still have sec status to spare. OP: Please stay, or get friends to join. Don't want to run out of targets before I even start. Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.10.24 15:24:00 - [55] Edited by: SoftRevolution on 24/10/2007 15:29:58 Edited by: SoftRevolution on 24/10/2007 15:27:50 I know RL comparisons generally fail but don't couriers IRL have insurance? Just curious. Personally I'd work it as a monthly fee and the higher the amount to be insured the higher the fee, obviously. I'm trying to work out how you could include some variable where your premium would go up for losing cargo in a ship that wasn't a T2 Hauler of some variety. PS Tabula Rasa is ** Souffle by all accounts. Planetside is **balls too, but that is all-PVP and non-instanced.
abbagabba Gallente Monster Raving Loonies	Posted - 2007.10.24 15:27:00 - [56] Originally by: Ki An Ok that's it! I'm going to get in on this suicide ganking action while I still have sec status to spare. OP: Please stay, or get friends to join. Don't want to run out of targets before I even start. I recommend all suiciders join together and make a Common Fisheries Policy for the Jita highways. We don't want to farm these haulers until they suffer a massic population collapse like the North Atlantic Cod. How about you can only put your Brutix to sea one day a week and no more than 10000m3 of loot can be landed? Can someone make a few 'I Autopilot through Jita with 5B all the time and I've never been ganked, bad luck mate' posts as well.
Taint Caldari The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.10.24 15:33:00 - [57] Originally by: Chronnick Bladerunner This is the LAST straw!!! Im SICK and @#$%^&* tired of getting blown up in 0.5 with lazy ass cops watching as some twisted sadistic scum once again screws months of my work..THIS time by destroying the True Sansha Tower I had FINALLY been able to buy... (no doubt only in hopes it would survive for the looting, lazy ass scab) WELL!!! So much for having my own POS... thats down the toilet now. AND YAY I get 200k compensation!!! I can maybe purchase a whole FRIGATE with THAT! I'll be UBER!!!! Not bad for losing 505 million worth of True Sansha Control tower! I feel like I just wasted 6 months of my life. This game is getting old WAY fast. CCP DEVS If I can't insure ships mods and contents I'll be gone period And to THINK I was just gearing up to invest even MORE time and money into EVE!! Losing 500 million worth months of work in a flash to some greedy lazy human scum has laid the last straw on the camels back. I have lost all interest... Letting my 4 accounts expire. I will check forums once a month until I see cargo insurance is in game.. Until then.. buh bye.. Tabula Rasa here I come This is just priceless :D keep up the good work.
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.24 15:34:00 - [58] Lol...Pwned. Certainty of death...small chance of success...what are we waiting for? - Gimli
Dretzle Omega Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.24 15:39:00 - [59] Originally by: SoftRevolution Edited by: SoftRevolution on 24/10/2007 15:29:58 Edited by: SoftRevolution on 24/10/2007 15:27:50 I know RL comparisons generally fail but don't couriers IRL have insurance? Just curious. Personally I'd work it as a monthly fee and the higher the amount to be insured the higher the fee, obviously. I'm trying to work out how you could include some variable where your premium would go up for losing cargo in a ship that wasn't a T2 Hauler of some variety. PS Tabula Rasa is ** Souffle by all accounts. Planetside is **balls too, but that is all-PVP and non-instanced. Your comparison here is more like Collateral on courier contracts. If the courier you hired does get blown up, you get to keep the collateral, which is just like getting an insurance pay out. ------------------- 4 8 15 16 23 42 108
Durn Loze	Posted - 2007.10.24 15:42:00 - [60] Firstly, if everything was insured and there was no risk of loss this would be pretty much like so many MMOs out there were dying carries no risk of real loss. That risk of loss is what makes EVE different. Secondly, if it takes you months to make 500 mil ISK, you are doing it the hard way. Join a decent 0.0 corporation and you can earn that much easily in 2-3 weeks. Much faster if you really want to work at it. Durn

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