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Qual
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Posted - 2004.03.03 09:30:00 -
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I cannot agree more. I have been supremely disappointed with the T2 research system. The halt missions are CONSTANT and often involve alot of travel. Furthermore I trained up an alt to the point of doing T2 research as well since I didn't seem to be getting anywhere with my main. So hours and days and even a month later, I have invested countless ISK and time and have nothing to show for it....
I was excited about this when Castor came out but now the fun has ended- it's a drudge without a reward. Guess I'll go do my 77th halt mission now. 
Ok, first rule. Check whats actuallu happening in the game!
THe missions DOES NOT halt your research. They serve two purposes.
1) They give bonus point. Alas if you care to do the missions you will get more point. If you dont np.
2) They blok for bp offers. As long as you have a mission you wont be shown a waiting bp offer. The offer will show up as soon as you do or decline the mission. This prevent lazy people from just having agents they NEVER visit.
Declining a mission is pretty harmless. If the mission is the least bit a hassel to me on a given day i always just decline.
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Qual
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Posted - 2004.03.03 09:31:00 -
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isn't it luck based on skill points. i thought the way it worked is that people with loads of RP's got offered BP's first. if they rejected it the bp is offered to the next highest etc. Its more just luck in terms of which corp gets them and who rejects them i s'pose
Wrong. Its an actual lottery based on points.
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Gun Kata
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Posted - 2004.03.03 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: Gun Kata on 03/03/2004 14:36:08
So, who here on a daily basis logs on, checks their research agent, does the mission and then logs off for the day AND has received a BP? Does the system favour those that are online more than others?
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.03.03 15:43:00 -
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The more you do them more you get.
You dont have to do the missions you still can get a bp. The chances of getting a better bp is reduced by the effort you put in.
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Doppleganger
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Posted - 2004.03.03 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Doppleganger on 03/03/2004 18:20:13
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I have amassed +16,000 RP points for Carthum Conglomerate in Amarrian Starship Engineering.
I also know someone who trained ASEngineering to Lvl 5 and has now ammassed +30,000 RP points with a Carthum agent.
I put the effort in in the hope of getting hold of a BP for the Crusader the Amarrian Interceptor produced by Carthum. However, I now find out the BP is already out and about...
As a result I have a few questions...
1)Will we ever get to see a list of Tech 2 BP's that have actually been released into the game? Surely this is not to hard to do CCP? If this is already in then please could someone direct me to it?
2)Is there any point continuing my ASEngineering research with Carthum now the BP that I wanted has been released? Will more copies be released? What other BP's can we expect from ASEngineering? Is that it now - have I 'lost' and may as well give up doing my agent's reserach missions every night?
3) On EVE-DB the Crusader was the only Amarr elite-frig listed as Carthum produced... Did this mean that only those doing research with Carthum Research agents were entered into the lottery or were Viziam agent runners also included? If this is the case then do the Carthum agent runners still have a chance of getting the 'Viziam' produced interceptor BPs and are there any BP's for them which have not been released yet?
It would really help if this whole process was a lot more transparent (and I apologise if I have missed something). How many BP's have been released - how many copies of these BP's have been released - will there be future releases of the same blueprints to people in the same field - is there a guide to which module BP's have not been released yet and in which field so people can decide if they want to swap research fields?
Basically I want to know if there is still a point or should I just abandon my research agent now?
I see you might have answered your own question since PIE has started selling an interceptor... did your research pay off or someone elses in PIE?
I noticed you didn't seem to get the interceptor you mentioned in the post above, so did it come from a carthum agent or another one?
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foster
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Posted - 2004.03.03 22:27:00 -
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Every RP has an equal chance at the BP, so somebody with 240 RP still has a chance against somebody with 24000 RP. Only 1% of the big guy's chance, but still a chance.
i have about 12000 points now with roden shipyards, doing gallente starship. if the ship bp's designed by roden can be issued by other corps and someone with 200 points stands a chance of getting a bp instead of me........ well **** it. i'm ignoring my agent and will stay with 12k point til i can have more than 1 agent or move my points to another. And it's quite clear ccp are controlling who gets the bp's......... |
foster
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Posted - 2004.03.03 22:36:00 -
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Every RP has an equal chance at the BP, so somebody with 240 RP still has a chance against somebody with 24000 RP. Only 1% of the big guy's chance, but still a chance.
i have about 12000 points now with roden shipyards, doing gallente starship. if the ship bp's designed by roden can be issued by other corps and someone with 200 points stands a chance of getting a bp instead of me........ well **** it. i'm ignoring my agent and will stay with 12k point til i can have more than 1 agent or move my points to another. And it's quite clear ccp are controlling who gets the bp's.........
my guess now is that a dev will read this and i will never get any bp ever!
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.03.03 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: Wraeththu on 03/03/2004 23:16:16
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my guess now is that a dev will read this and i will never get any bp ever!
Only in video games would a system, so equitable and fair that people complain about it, would someone complain about clandestine practices.
For the nth time
- 1 RP Point is equal to 1 Lottery Ticket in your Field
- When a BP is nominated for dispersal, it goes into two fields. Every ticket from those two fields goes into a hat. One ticket is pulled out. That person wins
- Your corporation doesn't matter
- The number of RPs you have doesn't have anything to do with anything beyond giving your more tickets/shots at winning
- Your name doesn't matter
- The time of day doesn't matter
- Your race doesn't matter
- Your mother's maiden name doesn't matter
- Please insert any other reason you're currently thinking of that DOESN'T include "1 RP = 1 Ticket" and that doesn't matter either
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Hardin
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Posted - 2004.03.04 01:03:00 -
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I see you might have answered your own question since PIE has started selling an interceptor... did your research pay off or someone elses in PIE?
I noticed you didn't seem to get the interceptor you mentioned in the post above, so did it come from a carthum agent or another one?
Okay yes things did move on.
While I slogged my guts out doing my RP agent missions, training all my social skills to 5 and amassing around the 16,000 SP points, one of our currently inactive members had also started Amarrian Starship Engineering with the same agent that I had.
I did not see this person for three weeks and was sort of assuming he may have quit EVE.
Then about 6 days ago I log in to find that this person had come online and been offered a BP - At this stage he had amassed 9,000 ASEngineering research points while afk.
I have to admit I feel a bit better about the whole system now (but then I would say that) as I have had direct eveidence that the 'lottery' does pay out - even if in my specific case it hasn't...
For people's information the BP that my colleague got was a Malediction Interceptor BP - a Khanid Innovations ship - even though the RP agent was Carthum - Icelandic logic I guess 
With regard how many Malediction BP's were given out we are aware of at least two other Corps who also got Malediction BP's. I dont know which agents they got them from. I am kinda hoping that no more Malediction BP's come out for a while so we can make a little cash - if someone will get us some more tech 2 components that haven't been hoovered up by the uber mega corps
As I have seen the system works even if in a weird way I am just about to buy the RPM skill and start 5 more research fields. Like my colleague who got the BP I dont think I will bother answering the daily email - maybe playing hard to get helps ur chances
Finally for those out there who are getting frustrated I know a dude who has +30k ASEngineering points now after training the skill to level 5 (+25 days) as soon as he got it.
He has now used RPM to start ASEngineering with another 2 agents (all bringing in a basic +250 RP per day each).
By doing just one mission per day he will be able to ammass 1,000 ASEngineering points per day - now that is what I call dedication and blind faith  He aint got anything yet but I really hope he does
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.03.04 01:20:00 -
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Level 5 Graviton Physics. 4 agents running atm, 5th otw (spread over two corps to get the best of the best). Lots of points - nothing at all.
Our chap who got the Signal Amp II BP got it with 72 points after 3 days 
Its a real lottery 
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Doppleganger
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Posted - 2004.03.04 01:22:00 -
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Thnx for answering a few things Hardin 
I personally got rocket science and sometimes feel this thing will never pay off and it might not... just a wait and see game.
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Albar Gray
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Posted - 2004.03.04 11:04:00 -
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Well at least you'll get your monies worth with the RPM skill. It may cost 40 mil, but it'll take about 40 days to learn it
On a related point, is anyone actually mad enough to try and support 6 R&D agents every day
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Roulette
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Posted - 2004.03.04 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Roulette on 14/03/2004 20:33:04
30k in Caldari Starship Engineering
almost 300 million ISK wasted on homeless and Science graduates..
Absolutely nothing to show for it.
I really don't see much point in continuing this when someone who invests one day in research can instantly benefit.
I don't buy the "collosal bad luck" excuse.. you kept telling us that about the Homeless problem until we basically dragged you out back and beat the facts into your head and you admitted there was a bug.
**eddited my RP total as I was wrong about it, as pointed out by Morkt :)**
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Roulette
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Posted - 2004.03.14 20:01:00 -
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bumped to support my 1405 patch note post
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