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yuancongxin01's Wife
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:32:00 -
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Has GM the right to see our Windows Product ID or Physic IP-Adress??
Has EULA said, GM has that right??
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SentryRaven
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:35:00 -
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As far as I am aware.... Your Microsoft Product ID is none of a GM's business at all...
With best regards, SentryRaven KIA Noobship Pilot
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Gner Dechast
Gallente Flashman Services
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:36:00 -
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Windows Product ID is none of GM's business, but your IP is not a great secret, I'm afraid...
I'm kind of curious who on earth would ask you for the COMBINATION of those two and via what medium... For one, the GM's are quite able to read your IP off the logs, and the product ID is (again) absolutely none of their business, so whoever is asking is most likely up to no good...
my 2 cents
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Unvisibility
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:37:00 -
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Your IP address however... er... why would you be opposed to a GM seeing that? I'd say that was crucial for them to be able to see.
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Morrow Disca
Macrocosm Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Morrow Disca on 24/10/2007 11:38:27 Your IP is in the public domain, most corporate websites you visit records it in some way.
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u die
Minmatar Sugarcane Technologies
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: yuancongxin01's Wife Has GM the right to see our Windows Product ID or Physic IP-Adress??
Has EULA said, GM has that right??
So you have an illegal copy of XP on your PC. I call Microsoft right now. ________________________________________________
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ZeroMbutCannotJump
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: yuancongxin01's Wife Has GM the right to see our Windows Product ID or Physic IP-Adress??
Has EULA said, GM has that right??
You smell farmerish.
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yuancongxin01's Wife
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:46:00 -
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I think so, GM dont have the right to see our Windows ID. But they are doing that, as I known I am lucky, that I am not in China. And I am not a Farmer. But some of my best friend were be banned. because 'your Windows Product ID is same as isk seller, how can you explain that?'
Can anyone explain that to me?
I think, almost everyone know, that in China, almost no one using original-Windows System, even the other Software. That mean, its possibly they have all the same Windows ID.
GM, you wanna Ban them all?
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yuancongxin01's Wife
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:48:00 -
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Edited by: yuancongxin01''s Wife on 24/10/2007 11:48:19 I cant repeat the words, said by GM, as I know. if I do it, I will be banned. EULA said, that GM has also that right?
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: yuancongxin01's Wife I think so, GM dont have the right to see our Windows ID. But they are doing that, as I known I am lucky, that I am not in China. And I am not a Farmer. But some of my best friend were be banned. because 'your Windows Product ID is same as isk seller, how can you explain that?'
Can anyone explain that to me?
I think, almost everyone know, that in China, almost no one using original-Windows System, even the other Software. That mean, its possibly they have all the same Windows ID.
GM, you wanna Ban them all?
Well I guess using pirate copys of windows does suck in some cases, oh well... ---- \0/ CCP SlideShow Games \0/
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Chrysalis D'lilth
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:55:00 -
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If a GM wanted to know my windows product ID, i'd want a real good explaination as to why....
And believe me, it would have to be good.
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yuancongxin01's Wife
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:01:00 -
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I read EULA once more. I had just found, that CCP reserved all the rights. I mean all. We paid for gaming, we are customer. What kind of rights we have?
Something like, petition can only vai online?
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Secretary
Bargain consumables
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Secretary on 24/10/2007 12:01:50 ibtl.
and while we're at it : windows product ID + IP matched an isk seller....
well that's good to know. ---------------------------
The signature. Here i can type my Bio.
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Morrow Disca
Macrocosm Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:06:00 -
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Don't torrent your windows install? buy it?
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Macro Slasher
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: yuancongxin01's Wife I read EULA once more. I had just found, that CCP reserved all the rights. I mean all. We paid for gaming, we are customer. What kind of rights we have?
Something like, petition can only vai online?
Get a genuine Windows. Or, play using Linux. (Yes, it should work already)
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Freya Selene
Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: yuancongxin01's Wife I read EULA once more. I had just found, that CCP reserved all the rights. I mean all. We paid for gaming, we are customer. What kind of rights we have?
Something like, petition can only vai online?
Regardless what they have stated in there EULA, they are still bound by goverment and international law.
They may ask from you to provide your windows ID, and you can be willingly to provide it. But you can also decline there request.
As for them scanning your system for the ID, if they do so they are breaking laws. Regardless if they stated in the EULA that you are giving permission or not when playing the game (anyone remembers the microsoft authentication software incident?).
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yuancongxin01's Wife
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:16:00 -
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I know that GM are trying everything to reduce the amounts of Farmer, to ban them. Thats good.
But I just feeling, that GM are starting doing something wrong.
I saw the return from GMs. But I cant just copy them here, and let all to see them. If I do, I will be banned with no discuss.
But as a friend. I read it. And I just feel angry.
From the Words. I feel, GM is god, is judge.
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Gner Dechast
Gallente Flashman Services
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:17:00 -
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"all rights reserved" refers to the intellectual and property rights of the product/service. It doesn't involve your basic rights as a customer or individual (data protection act, Directive 95/46/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 24 October 1995 on the protection of individuals with regard to the processing of personal data and on the free movement of such data and derived local legistlations in EU memberstates).
At any rate, EULA's and any other kind of agreement in conflict with local legistlation is null and void if it conflicts with local legistlation (in it's entirety), so they can't contain obscene conditions or take freedoms over your privacy. But as far as I see, CCP is honoring EU directives very well indeed.
On the subject of Product ID, I called up ministry of justice (help line) and confirmed the status on this. Product ID is not considered equal to your actual product license, and may be obtained as a proof of purchase by the provider. However, not even the provider can obtain your actual license without your approval, as it is considered as your asset and doing so constitutes theft.
So, I guess using Product ID and IP based screening is well within the legal boundaries. ...this also makes alot of sense why would such a thing exist in the first place, as Product ID (over using License key).
So in short, I am convinced no rights are violated. Infact, rather nice to hear about actual moves against the scourge that is ISK farming and sales
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Macro Slasher
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Freya Selene
Regardless what they have stated in there EULA, they are still bound by goverment and international law.
They may ask from you to provide your windows ID, and you can be willingly to provide it. But you can also decline there request.
As for them scanning your system for the ID, if they do so they are breaking laws. Regardless if they stated in the EULA that you are giving permission or not when playing the game (anyone remembers the microsoft authentication software incident?).
International laws do not apply to this case. As an integral part of an online service it is common agreement that the applying laws are of the hosting place. Which afaik is UK, and the EULA and disagreements between CCP and the users in this case would have to be handled in the UK (unless if the eula contains an agreement of an other place) and with the UK's law system.
I can not talk of the UK (I don't know it well) but in most European countries service providers are legally allowed to scan your computer to the extent that is required for them to be able to quarantee sufficient security and the level of service. Anti-cheat measures such as "punkbuster" and whatever Eve uses are plain legal and are allowed to scan your system, including the Windows ID. No law system could explicitly prevent from them doing that as it would make many if not most of the online services extremely hard to implement.
Please note thought that it is possible to have disagreement about the extent of this scanning (limited to the only really necessary software & hardware components etc) and the practices of the storage of this data. They should not be linked to specific end user information pieces etc. Needless to say it is extremely tricky area.
To bottom line is: It is perfectly legal, and you can choose not to play Eve if you don't like it.
Ethically.. Using pirated Windows.. It's wrong.
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Strak Yogorn
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:23:00 -
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dont sell isk then.. problem solved
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Hooligans Of War Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:24:00 -
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I'm curious why you even would talk to a GM about that. Have you been banned or tried to circumvent the restriction of number of trial accounts? Please let us know, would be interesting to know.
Jita fix: The distributed market hub
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Sopha Serpentia
Core Dynamics
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Sopha Serpentia on 24/10/2007 12:28:38
ISPs are protected by private data protection laws, while Microsoft product numbers are protected by copyright laws.
A GM is an agent for a corporate body you have a contract with, that corporate body may or may not be working in partnership with Microsoft and/or local/international authorities to not only protect thier intellectual property but also stamp out crime.
Isk selling is a crime, piracy is a crime, don't do the crime then come whinging on here looking for a clause to get you out.
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yuancongxin01's Wife
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: yuancongxin01''s Wife on 24/10/2007 12:33:05
Originally by: Mashie Saldana I'm curious why you even would talk to a GM about that. Have you been banned or tried to circumvent the restriction of number of trial accounts? Please let us know, would be interesting to know.
:D I have never be banned, oder did something wrong.
Just because of the thing happened on my friend, I m starting to interpellate the whole things. about EULA, GM ....
The things I said here, has happened and is happening. so CCP or GM should come out, and explain for that. I dont want to be blind all the time. even the next 20 years. And you? you all?
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Macro Slasher
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sopha Serpentia ISPs are protected by private data protection laws, while Microsoft product numbers are protected by copyright laws.
A GM is an agent for a corporate body you have a contract with, that corporate body may or may not be working in partnership with Microsoft and/or local/international authorities to not only protect thier intellectual property but also stamp out crime.
Isk selling is a crime, piracy is a crime, don't do the crime then come whinging on here looking for a clause to get you out.
The Windows installation IDs itself are not protected by anything. It is different from the numbers you use for installing the Windows. Whether CCP has any connection with Microsoft or not is mostly irrelevant in this issue.
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Fswd
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Fswd on 24/10/2007 12:41:22
Originally by: yuancongxin01's Wife I think so, GM dont have the right to see our Windows ID. *snip
GM, you wanna Ban them all?
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yuancongxin01's Wife
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: yuancongxin01''s Wife on 24/10/2007 12:42:15
Originally by: Macro Slasher
Originally by: Sopha Serpentia ISPs are protected by private data protection laws, while Microsoft product numbers are protected by copyright laws.
A GM is an agent for a corporate body you have a contract with, that corporate body may or may not be working in partnership with Microsoft and/or local/international authorities to not only protect thier intellectual property but also stamp out crime.
Isk selling is a crime, piracy is a crime, don't do the crime then come whinging on here looking for a clause to get you out.
The Windows installation IDs itself are not protected by anything. It is different from the numbers you use for installing the Windows. Whether CCP has any connection with Microsoft or not is mostly irrelevant in this issue.
for example. Microsoft has the right to know his Product ID. Apple has the right to know which iPod be sold to me. and CCP?
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: yuancongxin01's Wife
for example. Microsoft has the right to know his Product ID. Apple has the right to know which iPod be sold to me. and CCP?
have the right to ban whoever they like for whatever reason, Hell they could ban me right now and give the reason that members of my family hate giving DEV's oral.
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Ather Ialeas
Amarr Exercitus Solus
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Gner Dechast "all rights reserved" refers to the intellectual and property rights of the product/service. It doesn't involve your basic rights as a customer or individual (data protection act, Directive 95/46/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 24 October 1995 on the protection of individuals with regard to the processing of personal data and on the free movement of such data and derived local legistlations in EU memberstates).
At any rate, EULA's and any other kind of agreement in conflict with local legistlation is null and void if it conflicts with local legistlation (in it's entirety), so they can't contain obscene conditions or take freedoms over your privacy. But as far as I see, CCP is honoring EU directives very well indeed.
On the subject of Product ID, I called up ministry of justice (help line) and confirmed the status on this. Product ID is not considered equal to your actual product license, and may be obtained as a proof of purchase by the provider. However, not even the provider can obtain your actual license without your approval, as it is considered as your asset and doing so constitutes theft.
So, I guess using Product ID and IP based screening is well within the legal boundaries. ...this also makes alot of sense why would such a thing exist in the first place, as Product ID (over using License key).
So in short, I am convinced no rights are violated. Infact, rather nice to hear about actual moves against the scourge that is ISK farming and sales
You seem to be an experience Internet Lawyer.
The only thing that's making me go "whuh?" at the moment is how CCP has gotten the Windows PID in the first place since that may be on the gray zone legally. Then again, if the EVE client is a data miner and it's stated clearly in the install program then I guess it's OK too, just a bit devious. -
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Macro Slasher
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: yuancongxin01's Wife
for example. Microsoft has the right to know his Product ID. Apple has the right to know which iPod be sold to me. and CCP?
Has the right to see your Windows product ID for anti-cheating purposes such as thwarting RMT. Most likely is not allowed to store the non-banned IDs extensively over years etc, but is allowed to store the banned IDs and check the connecting clients ID against the ban list and store the previous ID of users for a short while.
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GM Grimmi
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:14:00 -
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Hello everyone,
I just want to clear this up real quick. GMs are NOT able to see users' Windows Product IDs. What we are able to see, is a hashed value of Windows Product ID key. We have no way to see the actual Windows Product ID key but we can cross reference the hashed value and see if a given user shares that with another user.
Thank you all,
GM Grimmi
Lead Game Master
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