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Titus Lewis Viziam	Posted - 2007.10.24 13:02:00 - [1] I was thinking about the race in general, and why there are so many complaints about it, and why nothing is done to address the issue. Then it dawned on me that maybe its intentional. WHAT? Amarr are weaker than other races by design. CCP knows this, they are not stupid, its just a part of the business plan. There is a reason they refuse to make changes patch after patch year after year. There is a reason they avoid all threads about the Amarr problem like the plague. There is a reason why the dozens upon dozens of suggestions to help fix the problem are ignored completely. Amarr are the least used ships in game, so if any race is going to be bonked, its going to be them. This way, when others think about whining about their race, they can always say, "well at least I'm not Amarr" Its a simple good business decision, as most roleplay or "immersionist" players are Amarr anyway and would fly them no matter what. Everybody has a reason to keep playing and paying. In fact, if you were CCP and had to pick one group to be the weakest, wouldn't you pick Amarr? I was thinking about when I used to play Anarchy Online many, many years ago. There is this class there called the Fixer. They were the worst class for the whole time I played. The joke was "run fixer run" as all they could do well was run fast. My class was enforcer, (Tank) an I remember thinking, well at least I'm not a fixer. There were so many complaints that everybody knew that fixers kinda sucked, but it didn't change while I was there. I think its part of what makes a successful MMO. Having a group that is perpetually somewhat broken, so the main dues paying playerbase always knows that it could always be worse. Part of the success of EVE is the broken race, just like all other MMO's. They all have a class or race that is the worst. Their devs, just like EVE's devs, know the class is broken and why its broken, yet pretend they don't. There must be a reason. It must be good for business. Is this possible? Thoughts? Freedom is Slavery
Polcor Rodal Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.24 13:29:00 - [2] I agree with you oppinion, that Amarr will never see a real fix, but i dont agree with your reason for that. The problem is a balance problem, with "un-nerfing lasers" more balncing issues will show up, people have to (shield)harden against EM, which leaves less room for other hardening, if thermal damage also effect armor, whic might lleasd to low slot problems etc... Thats the reason why laserships where (in fact) taken out of game for the masses, they have the potential to bypass the balancing for all other 3 races, or would at least create a load of work to balance 4 races instead of 3. With the need to add more content, better graphics etc. to be competitive, there is really no reason why they should do this. Imagine the only Amarrships that work pretty good are not the (pure) laser boats. And the recent Khanid MK II changes, ignored the Laser issue completly as they got rid of them and replaced them by missiles, and made them short range only, so again none of the other races got affected. Sure the nos nerf had affected Amarr ships as well, but it balanced out the other 3 races. So face it as it is: Amarr wont get a real fix or "Ooomph" they would need a complete redesign, but then again...in which direction with any other aspects are already being covered by the other races ?? It is a problem by design from the very beginning of this game, as as advanced as eve is nowadays its far too late to fix or to admit this. Go Gallente...errm wait, no, go Minmatar. Pol If in danger, or in doubt, run in cricles, scream and shout
Sarah Aubry Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:10:00 - [3] Give amarr more cap recharge, the rep bonus gallente got and buff their hp more and they will look like the race they were depicted to be. Big slow heavy tanking laser ships. I worry about the new t2 frig with more drones than gallente :\
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:23:00 - [4] There is a very simpel fix called swaping em over for thermal "Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time"
Mr Li The Graduates	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:25:00 - [5] one thing that most people seem to take for granted is that the Devs know more than we ever will. There's a reason Amarr are the way they are and there's a reason they haven't implemented the ideas put forth. They have a better idea than anyone why they won't do something, whether it's about amarr or not. at least i hope so
Titus Lewis Viziam	Posted - 2007.10.24 20:52:00 - [6] Originally by: Sarah Aubry Give amarr more cap recharge, the rep bonus gallente got and buff their hp more and they will look like the race they were depicted to be. Big slow heavy tanking laser ships. I worry about the new t2 frig with more drones than gallente :\ There are many, many good ideas that have been purposed before. The good people at CCP have seen them. We know they read these forums. They must know whats going on. It cannot be as easy as "they don't fly amarr" or "they just haven't seen it yet" There must be a reason why they remain the way they are. Either they are fine or maybe they are Working As Designed.
Mr Bodacious mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:04:00 - [7] Edited by: Mr Bodacious on 24/10/2007 21:04:44 Originally by: Titus Lewis I was thinking about the race in general, and why there are so many complaints about it, and why nothing is done to address the issue. Then it dawned on me that maybe its intentional. WHAT? Amarr are weaker than other races by design. CCP knows this, they are not stupid, its just a part of the business plan. There is a reason they refuse to make changes patch after patch year after year. There is a reason they avoid all threads about the Amarr problem like the plague. There is a reason why the dozens upon dozens of suggestions to help fix the problem are ignored completely. Amarr are the least used ships in game, so if any race is going to be bonked, its going to be them. This way, when others think about whining about their race, they can always say, "well at least I'm not Amarr" Its a simple good business decision, as most roleplay or "immersionist" players are Amarr anyway and would fly them no matter what. Everybody has a reason to keep playing and paying. In fact, if you were CCP and had to pick one group to be the weakest, wouldn't you pick Amarr? I was thinking about when I used to play Anarchy Online many, many years ago. There is this class there called the Fixer. They were the worst class for the whole time I played. The joke was "run fixer run" as all they could do well was run fast. My class was enforcer, (Tank) an I remember thinking, well at least I'm not a fixer. There were so many complaints that everybody knew that fixers kinda sucked, but it didn't change while I was there. I think its part of what makes a successful MMO. Having a group that is perpetually somewhat broken, so the main dues paying playerbase always knows that it could always be worse. Part of the success of EVE is the broken race, just like all other MMO's. They all have a class or race that is the worst. Their devs, just like EVE's devs, know the class is broken and why its broken, yet pretend they don't. There must be a reason. It must be good for business. Is this possible? Thoughts? I'll tell you what, my Fixer had GA4 and tons of raid gear, and the only thing you heard me saying was "RUN ENFO RUN" right as my 5s burst cycle finished killing you silly meatheads. Yeah but, Fixer isn't a good comparison, as they were really uber when you got to 200. The rest of EVE doesn't know that, though ;P edit: wtb eve run speed skill... :(
Christari Zuborov Amarr Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Mr Li one thing that most people seem to take for granted is that the Devs know more than we ever will. There's a reason Amarr are the way they are and there's a reason they haven't implemented the ideas put forth. They have a better idea than anyone why they won't do something, whether it's about amarr or not. at least i hope so That's akin to saying Bush is so smart he leaves us mystified in his decisions. Sometimes, just sometimes, you call a spade a spade.
Baleur Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:02:00 - [9] You are an idiot. If world of warcraft can have balanced races, so could EVE. ------------------------- This post represents my entire corporation's views and opinions. ;>
Lord Matrix Department of War	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:13:00 - [10] Story wise, Amarr are far from being weak. No weak race was ever able to enslave an entire other race. No other race in EVE fought the Jovians. No other race in EVE controls more space than the glorious Amarr Empire. We are not a weak race. CCP made us weak. There is a reason why the majority of old players are Amarr. ------------------------------------------------------------------ What good have you done for the EVE community today?

Oedus Caro Caldari Cross Roads	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:14:00 - [11] Meanwhile, "ment" is supposed to be spelled meant...
Archa Caldari Chickens with an Attitude	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:42:00 - [12] Am i the only one here who thinks that amarr does kick ass? I love my abaddon, i love my absolution, i love my damnation, i love my zealot, and the sacriledge kicks ass as well. i'm sorry but personally i think amarr kicks ass. can i get an amen?
Khandara Seraphim	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:04:00 - [13] from a lore perspective, the amarr navy description says straight up that the amarr navy relies on lots of ships to win, and that individual ships are usually decaying and obsolete. half of the amarrian ship descriptions say things like "workhorse" or "old yet still good design" while the other races have descriptions like "cutting edge doom machine" of course that doesnt apply for EVERY amarr ship, but quite a few of them do seem to be destined for failure right off the bat.
SirMoric	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Lord Matrix Story wise, Amarr are far from being weak. No weak race was ever able to enslave an entire other race. No other race in EVE fought the Jovians. No other race in EVE controls more space than the glorious Amarr Empire. We are not a weak race. CCP made us weak. There is a reason why the majority of old players are Amarr. The Minmatar rebelled and broke away and you lost the war against the Jove. You, my friend, ARE weak. rgds
Tortilla Smasher SpearMint Rhino GentleMen's Club Carpe Diem.	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:16:00 - [15] uhh Amarr CCP lorewise are supposed to be the most advanced race with frail BODIES. That doesn't really constitute them having crap ships.
Malashek Vatrii Kaminjosvig	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:18:00 - [16] Originally by: Lord Matrix Story wise, Amarr are far from being weak. No weak race was ever able to enslave an entire other race. No other race in EVE fought the Jovians. No other race in EVE controls more space than the glorious Amarr Empire. We are not a weak race. CCP made us weak. There is a reason why the majority of old players are Amarr. coughSirMollecough * * * *
Verx Interis	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:31:00 - [17] Originally by: Lord Matrix Story wise, Amarr are far from being weak. No weak race was ever able to enslave an entire other race. No other race in EVE fought the Jovians. No other race in EVE controls more space than the glorious Amarr Empire. We are not a weak race. CCP made us weak. There is a reason why the majority of old players are Amarr. Yep and if your friend wants to be evil he tells you to start playing as Amarr.... -----sig-starts-here------ I not what know I is doing.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:51:00 - [18] Whatever... The Amarr tech 1 cruisers, with one exception, are certainly somewhat crappy, and lasers (especially cruiser size) have some problems. But Amarr in general are not that bad.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:56:00 - [19] Originally by: Tortilla Smasher uhh Amarr CCP lorewise are supposed to be the most advanced race with frail BODIES. That doesn't really constitute them having crap ships. Actually, no. If you read the in game description for the Amarr navy it says: "The Amarr Navy has almost twice as many ships as the next two empire navies put together, though the quality of some of the Amarrian ships are questionable as many of them have not been refitted for decades and are almost obsolete."
Verx Interis	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:57:00 - [20] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Whatever... The Amarr tech 1 cruisers, with one exception, are certainly somewhat crappy, and lasers (especially cruiser size) have some problems. But Amarr in general are not that bad. Why oh why does the Omen's suckiness have to equal how awesome it looks? Why CCP?! I want to use one so bad because it looks so friggin awesome but it sucks too much and a Zealot is way too far away -----sig-starts-here------ I not what know I is doing.

Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.25 00:12:00 - [21] Originally by: Titus Lewis I was thinking about the race in general, and why there are so many complaints about it, and why nothing is done to address the issue. Then it dawned on me that maybe its intentional. WHAT? Amarr are weaker than other races by design. CCP knows this, they are not stupid, its just a part of the business plan. There is a reason they refuse to make changes patch after patch year after year. There is a reason they avoid all threads about the Amarr problem like the plague. There is a reason why the dozens upon dozens of suggestions to help fix the problem are ignored completely. Amarr are the least used ships in game, so if any race is going to be bonked, its going to be them. This way, when others think about whining about their race, they can always say, "well at least I'm not Amarr" Its a simple good business decision, as most roleplay or "immersionist" players are Amarr anyway and would fly them no matter what. Everybody has a reason to keep playing and paying. In fact, if you were CCP and had to pick one group to be the weakest, wouldn't you pick Amarr? I was thinking about when I used to play Anarchy Online many, many years ago. There is this class there called the Fixer. They were the worst class for the whole time I played. The joke was "run fixer run" as all they could do well was run fast. My class was enforcer, (Tank) an I remember thinking, well at least I'm not a fixer. There were so many complaints that everybody knew that fixers kinda sucked, but it didn't change while I was there. I think its part of what makes a successful MMO. Having a group that is perpetually somewhat broken, so the main dues paying playerbase always knows that it could always be worse. Part of the success of EVE is the broken race, just like all other MMO's. They all have a class or race that is the worst. Their devs, just like EVE's devs, know the class is broken and why its broken, yet pretend they don't. There must be a reason. It must be good for business. Is this possible? Thoughts? It's not a bad idea. I'd say it might even be true. I would think that there's enough separation between the different ship classes that this wouldn't HAVE to be the case though - but it certainly seems to be. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Malik Justiciar Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.25 00:55:00 - [22] Its the price we pay for having cool looking ships and a little individuality.
Titus Lewis Viziam	Posted - 2007.10.25 03:13:00 - [23] Originally by: Oedus Caro Meanwhile, "ment" is supposed to be spelled meant... Fix'd
Kyra Felann Gallente Red Eye .Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:01:00 - [24] Originally by: Tortilla Smasher uhh Amarr CCP lorewise are supposed to be the most advanced race with frail BODIES. That doesn't really constitute them having crap ships. Uh, no, that's the Jovians.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:20:00 - [25] Originally by: Reem Fairchild "The Amarr Navy has almost twice as many ships as the next two empire navies put together, though the quality of some of the Amarrian ships are questionable as many of them have not been refitted for decades and are almost obsolete."
Drenan	Posted - 2007.10.25 08:43:00 - [26] Can anyone link me to one of the multitude of 'boost Amarr' threads that actually has a response from a Dev in it? It seems fairly obvious that CCP has banned them all from posting in Amarr threads, for some reason. Even Wrangler avoids Amarr threads. All it would take to end this is one definitive Dev post stating that Amarr are 'working as intended', or that changes are in the pipeline?
amoros Dark Materials Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 08:53:00 - [27] Originally by: Titus Lewis Edited by: Titus Lewis on 25/10/2007 03:10:50 I was thinking about when I used to play Anarchy Online many, many years ago. There is this class there called the Fixer. They were the worst class for the whole time I played. The joke was "run fixer run" as all they could do well was run fast. My class was enforcer, (Tank) an I remember thinking, well at least I'm not a fixer. There were so many complaints that everybody knew that fixers kinda sucked, but it didn't change while I was there. Quote: Ahh AO, what a fun game :) I loved my Fixer, Grid armor was kewl!, ok so i looked like a smurf i but managed to twink GA1 onto my lvl 22 Fixer! but i mut admit my main was an enforcer :) Yes i fly amarr, yes we have issues but hey, one day we might get some love. A.
u die Minmatar Sugarcane Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.25 09:11:00 - [28] If you complain enough, it will come true! ________________________________________________
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.25 11:02:00 - [29] Well. takes out his holy book of amarr answers out To be Amarr, to choose Amarr, is a calling, not a "suggestion" or "choosing the ubar". Amarr is not a 100% fine, but Amarr is fine enough. Amarr is missing an emperor, and the 6th frigate. These irk us. We shall fly Amarr, even if oompf is not to be seen. We shall rejoice when oompf comes, if it comes. Until then we shall fly under our glorious banner, die under our glorious banner and give our lives over and over again for the good of the empire, unless the price is right. In which case, we shall fly under THEIR banner It has been foretold, by me, Supreme Preacher of the PEP, that with the coming of the new Empress, mark my words, the oompf will come too. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.10.25 11:16:00 - [30] Originally by: Titus Lewis Amarr are weaker than other races by design. You fail. Gankageddon. 'nuff said. It's not by design, it's by evolution. _ 1\|2\|3



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