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Titus Lewis Viziam	Posted - 2007.10.24 13:02:00 - [1] I was thinking about the race in general, and why there are so many complaints about it, and why nothing is done to address the issue. Then it dawned on me that maybe its intentional. WHAT? Amarr are weaker than other races by design. CCP knows this, they are not stupid, its just a part of the business plan. There is a reason they refuse to make changes patch after patch year after year. There is a reason they avoid all threads about the Amarr problem like the plague. There is a reason why the dozens upon dozens of suggestions to help fix the problem are ignored completely. Amarr are the least used ships in game, so if any race is going to be bonked, its going to be them. This way, when others think about whining about their race, they can always say, "well at least I'm not Amarr" Its a simple good business decision, as most roleplay or "immersionist" players are Amarr anyway and would fly them no matter what. Everybody has a reason to keep playing and paying. In fact, if you were CCP and had to pick one group to be the weakest, wouldn't you pick Amarr? I was thinking about when I used to play Anarchy Online many, many years ago. There is this class there called the Fixer. They were the worst class for the whole time I played. The joke was "run fixer run" as all they could do well was run fast. My class was enforcer, (Tank) an I remember thinking, well at least I'm not a fixer. There were so many complaints that everybody knew that fixers kinda sucked, but it didn't change while I was there. I think its part of what makes a successful MMO. Having a group that is perpetually somewhat broken, so the main dues paying playerbase always knows that it could always be worse. Part of the success of EVE is the broken race, just like all other MMO's. They all have a class or race that is the worst. Their devs, just like EVE's devs, know the class is broken and why its broken, yet pretend they don't. There must be a reason. It must be good for business. Is this possible? Thoughts? Freedom is Slavery
Polcor Rodal Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.24 13:29:00 - [2] I agree with you oppinion, that Amarr will never see a real fix, but i dont agree with your reason for that. The problem is a balance problem, with "un-nerfing lasers" more balncing issues will show up, people have to (shield)harden against EM, which leaves less room for other hardening, if thermal damage also effect armor, whic might lleasd to low slot problems etc... Thats the reason why laserships where (in fact) taken out of game for the masses, they have the potential to bypass the balancing for all other 3 races, or would at least create a load of work to balance 4 races instead of 3. With the need to add more content, better graphics etc. to be competitive, there is really no reason why they should do this. Imagine the only Amarrships that work pretty good are not the (pure) laser boats. And the recent Khanid MK II changes, ignored the Laser issue completly as they got rid of them and replaced them by missiles, and made them short range only, so again none of the other races got affected. Sure the nos nerf had affected Amarr ships as well, but it balanced out the other 3 races. So face it as it is: Amarr wont get a real fix or "Ooomph" they would need a complete redesign, but then again...in which direction with any other aspects are already being covered by the other races ?? It is a problem by design from the very beginning of this game, as as advanced as eve is nowadays its far too late to fix or to admit this. Go Gallente...errm wait, no, go Minmatar. Pol If in danger, or in doubt, run in cricles, scream and shout
Sarah Aubry Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:10:00 - [3] Give amarr more cap recharge, the rep bonus gallente got and buff their hp more and they will look like the race they were depicted to be. Big slow heavy tanking laser ships. I worry about the new t2 frig with more drones than gallente :\
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:23:00 - [4] There is a very simpel fix called swaping em over for thermal "Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time"
Mr Li The Graduates	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:25:00 - [5] one thing that most people seem to take for granted is that the Devs know more than we ever will. There's a reason Amarr are the way they are and there's a reason they haven't implemented the ideas put forth. They have a better idea than anyone why they won't do something, whether it's about amarr or not. at least i hope so
Titus Lewis Viziam	Posted - 2007.10.24 20:52:00 - [6] Originally by: Sarah Aubry Give amarr more cap recharge, the rep bonus gallente got and buff their hp more and they will look like the race they were depicted to be. Big slow heavy tanking laser ships. I worry about the new t2 frig with more drones than gallente :\ There are many, many good ideas that have been purposed before. The good people at CCP have seen them. We know they read these forums. They must know whats going on. It cannot be as easy as "they don't fly amarr" or "they just haven't seen it yet" There must be a reason why they remain the way they are. Either they are fine or maybe they are Working As Designed.
Mr Bodacious mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:04:00 - [7] Edited by: Mr Bodacious on 24/10/2007 21:04:44 Originally by: Titus Lewis I was thinking about the race in general, and why there are so many complaints about it, and why nothing is done to address the issue. Then it dawned on me that maybe its intentional. WHAT? Amarr are weaker than other races by design. CCP knows this, they are not stupid, its just a part of the business plan. There is a reason they refuse to make changes patch after patch year after year. There is a reason they avoid all threads about the Amarr problem like the plague. There is a reason why the dozens upon dozens of suggestions to help fix the problem are ignored completely. Amarr are the least used ships in game, so if any race is going to be bonked, its going to be them. This way, when others think about whining about their race, they can always say, "well at least I'm not Amarr" Its a simple good business decision, as most roleplay or "immersionist" players are Amarr anyway and would fly them no matter what. Everybody has a reason to keep playing and paying. In fact, if you were CCP and had to pick one group to be the weakest, wouldn't you pick Amarr? I was thinking about when I used to play Anarchy Online many, many years ago. There is this class there called the Fixer. They were the worst class for the whole time I played. The joke was "run fixer run" as all they could do well was run fast. My class was enforcer, (Tank) an I remember thinking, well at least I'm not a fixer. There were so many complaints that everybody knew that fixers kinda sucked, but it didn't change while I was there. I think its part of what makes a successful MMO. Having a group that is perpetually somewhat broken, so the main dues paying playerbase always knows that it could always be worse. Part of the success of EVE is the broken race, just like all other MMO's. They all have a class or race that is the worst. Their devs, just like EVE's devs, know the class is broken and why its broken, yet pretend they don't. There must be a reason. It must be good for business. Is this possible? Thoughts? I'll tell you what, my Fixer had GA4 and tons of raid gear, and the only thing you heard me saying was "RUN ENFO RUN" right as my 5s burst cycle finished killing you silly meatheads. Yeah but, Fixer isn't a good comparison, as they were really uber when you got to 200. The rest of EVE doesn't know that, though ;P edit: wtb eve run speed skill... :(
Christari Zuborov Amarr Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Mr Li one thing that most people seem to take for granted is that the Devs know more than we ever will. There's a reason Amarr are the way they are and there's a reason they haven't implemented the ideas put forth. They have a better idea than anyone why they won't do something, whether it's about amarr or not. at least i hope so That's akin to saying Bush is so smart he leaves us mystified in his decisions. Sometimes, just sometimes, you call a spade a spade.
Baleur Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:02:00 - [9] You are an idiot. If world of warcraft can have balanced races, so could EVE. ------------------------- This post represents my entire corporation's views and opinions. ;>
Lord Matrix Department of War	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:13:00 - [10] Story wise, Amarr are far from being weak. No weak race was ever able to enslave an entire other race. No other race in EVE fought the Jovians. No other race in EVE controls more space than the glorious Amarr Empire. We are not a weak race. CCP made us weak. There is a reason why the majority of old players are Amarr. ------------------------------------------------------------------ What good have you done for the EVE community today?

Oedus Caro Caldari Cross Roads	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:14:00 - [11] Meanwhile, "ment" is supposed to be spelled meant...
Archa Caldari Chickens with an Attitude	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:42:00 - [12] Am i the only one here who thinks that amarr does kick ass? I love my abaddon, i love my absolution, i love my damnation, i love my zealot, and the sacriledge kicks ass as well. i'm sorry but personally i think amarr kicks ass. can i get an amen?
Khandara Seraphim	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:04:00 - [13] from a lore perspective, the amarr navy description says straight up that the amarr navy relies on lots of ships to win, and that individual ships are usually decaying and obsolete. half of the amarrian ship descriptions say things like "workhorse" or "old yet still good design" while the other races have descriptions like "cutting edge doom machine" of course that doesnt apply for EVERY amarr ship, but quite a few of them do seem to be destined for failure right off the bat.
SirMoric	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Lord Matrix Story wise, Amarr are far from being weak. No weak race was ever able to enslave an entire other race. No other race in EVE fought the Jovians. No other race in EVE controls more space than the glorious Amarr Empire. We are not a weak race. CCP made us weak. There is a reason why the majority of old players are Amarr. The Minmatar rebelled and broke away and you lost the war against the Jove. You, my friend, ARE weak. rgds
Tortilla Smasher SpearMint Rhino GentleMen's Club Carpe Diem.	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:16:00 - [15] uhh Amarr CCP lorewise are supposed to be the most advanced race with frail BODIES. That doesn't really constitute them having crap ships.
Malashek Vatrii Kaminjosvig	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:18:00 - [16] Originally by: Lord Matrix Story wise, Amarr are far from being weak. No weak race was ever able to enslave an entire other race. No other race in EVE fought the Jovians. No other race in EVE controls more space than the glorious Amarr Empire. We are not a weak race. CCP made us weak. There is a reason why the majority of old players are Amarr. coughSirMollecough * * * *
Verx Interis	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:31:00 - [17] Originally by: Lord Matrix Story wise, Amarr are far from being weak. No weak race was ever able to enslave an entire other race. No other race in EVE fought the Jovians. No other race in EVE controls more space than the glorious Amarr Empire. We are not a weak race. CCP made us weak. There is a reason why the majority of old players are Amarr. Yep and if your friend wants to be evil he tells you to start playing as Amarr.... -----sig-starts-here------ I not what know I is doing.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:51:00 - [18] Whatever... The Amarr tech 1 cruisers, with one exception, are certainly somewhat crappy, and lasers (especially cruiser size) have some problems. But Amarr in general are not that bad.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:56:00 - [19] Originally by: Tortilla Smasher uhh Amarr CCP lorewise are supposed to be the most advanced race with frail BODIES. That doesn't really constitute them having crap ships. Actually, no. If you read the in game description for the Amarr navy it says: "The Amarr Navy has almost twice as many ships as the next two empire navies put together, though the quality of some of the Amarrian ships are questionable as many of them have not been refitted for decades and are almost obsolete."
Verx Interis	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:57:00 - [20] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Whatever... The Amarr tech 1 cruisers, with one exception, are certainly somewhat crappy, and lasers (especially cruiser size) have some problems. But Amarr in general are not that bad. Why oh why does the Omen's suckiness have to equal how awesome it looks? Why CCP?! I want to use one so bad because it looks so friggin awesome but it sucks too much and a Zealot is way too far away -----sig-starts-here------ I not what know I is doing.

Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.25 00:12:00 - [21] Originally by: Titus Lewis I was thinking about the race in general, and why there are so many complaints about it, and why nothing is done to address the issue. Then it dawned on me that maybe its intentional. WHAT? Amarr are weaker than other races by design. CCP knows this, they are not stupid, its just a part of the business plan. There is a reason they refuse to make changes patch after patch year after year. There is a reason they avoid all threads about the Amarr problem like the plague. There is a reason why the dozens upon dozens of suggestions to help fix the problem are ignored completely. Amarr are the least used ships in game, so if any race is going to be bonked, its going to be them. This way, when others think about whining about their race, they can always say, "well at least I'm not Amarr" Its a simple good business decision, as most roleplay or "immersionist" players are Amarr anyway and would fly them no matter what. Everybody has a reason to keep playing and paying. In fact, if you were CCP and had to pick one group to be the weakest, wouldn't you pick Amarr? I was thinking about when I used to play Anarchy Online many, many years ago. There is this class there called the Fixer. They were the worst class for the whole time I played. The joke was "run fixer run" as all they could do well was run fast. My class was enforcer, (Tank) an I remember thinking, well at least I'm not a fixer. There were so many complaints that everybody knew that fixers kinda sucked, but it didn't change while I was there. I think its part of what makes a successful MMO. Having a group that is perpetually somewhat broken, so the main dues paying playerbase always knows that it could always be worse. Part of the success of EVE is the broken race, just like all other MMO's. They all have a class or race that is the worst. Their devs, just like EVE's devs, know the class is broken and why its broken, yet pretend they don't. There must be a reason. It must be good for business. Is this possible? Thoughts? It's not a bad idea. I'd say it might even be true. I would think that there's enough separation between the different ship classes that this wouldn't HAVE to be the case though - but it certainly seems to be. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Malik Justiciar Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.25 00:55:00 - [22] Its the price we pay for having cool looking ships and a little individuality.
Titus Lewis Viziam	Posted - 2007.10.25 03:13:00 - [23] Originally by: Oedus Caro Meanwhile, "ment" is supposed to be spelled meant... Fix'd
Kyra Felann Gallente Red Eye .Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:01:00 - [24] Originally by: Tortilla Smasher uhh Amarr CCP lorewise are supposed to be the most advanced race with frail BODIES. That doesn't really constitute them having crap ships. Uh, no, that's the Jovians.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:20:00 - [25] Originally by: Reem Fairchild "The Amarr Navy has almost twice as many ships as the next two empire navies put together, though the quality of some of the Amarrian ships are questionable as many of them have not been refitted for decades and are almost obsolete."
Drenan	Posted - 2007.10.25 08:43:00 - [26] Can anyone link me to one of the multitude of 'boost Amarr' threads that actually has a response from a Dev in it? It seems fairly obvious that CCP has banned them all from posting in Amarr threads, for some reason. Even Wrangler avoids Amarr threads. All it would take to end this is one definitive Dev post stating that Amarr are 'working as intended', or that changes are in the pipeline?
amoros Dark Materials Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 08:53:00 - [27] Originally by: Titus Lewis Edited by: Titus Lewis on 25/10/2007 03:10:50 I was thinking about when I used to play Anarchy Online many, many years ago. There is this class there called the Fixer. They were the worst class for the whole time I played. The joke was "run fixer run" as all they could do well was run fast. My class was enforcer, (Tank) an I remember thinking, well at least I'm not a fixer. There were so many complaints that everybody knew that fixers kinda sucked, but it didn't change while I was there. Quote: Ahh AO, what a fun game :) I loved my Fixer, Grid armor was kewl!, ok so i looked like a smurf i but managed to twink GA1 onto my lvl 22 Fixer! but i mut admit my main was an enforcer :) Yes i fly amarr, yes we have issues but hey, one day we might get some love. A.
u die Minmatar Sugarcane Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.25 09:11:00 - [28] If you complain enough, it will come true! ________________________________________________
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.25 11:02:00 - [29] Well. takes out his holy book of amarr answers out To be Amarr, to choose Amarr, is a calling, not a "suggestion" or "choosing the ubar". Amarr is not a 100% fine, but Amarr is fine enough. Amarr is missing an emperor, and the 6th frigate. These irk us. We shall fly Amarr, even if oompf is not to be seen. We shall rejoice when oompf comes, if it comes. Until then we shall fly under our glorious banner, die under our glorious banner and give our lives over and over again for the good of the empire, unless the price is right. In which case, we shall fly under THEIR banner It has been foretold, by me, Supreme Preacher of the PEP, that with the coming of the new Empress, mark my words, the oompf will come too. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.10.25 11:16:00 - [30] Originally by: Titus Lewis Amarr are weaker than other races by design. You fail. Gankageddon. 'nuff said. It's not by design, it's by evolution. _ 1\|2\|3

Judas Jones Amarr Black Company	Posted - 2007.10.25 11:52:00 - [31] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Titus Lewis Amarr are weaker than other races by design. You fail. Gankageddon. 'nuff said. It's not by design, it's by evolution. Ohh gowd you talk so much crap on the forums it makes the baby in Verone's Sig cry harder! Gankgeddon has not existed in-game since stack penalty was brought in coupled with Thermal nerf on amarr Crystals. These, coupled with the lack of damage bonuses on 95% of Amarr ships and the harsh cap penalties result in gimp set-up's which lack ommmphhh. Evolution implies progress,as in moving forward, as in getting 'better', I don't think the Amarr race would consider its natural evolution to include reducing its damage capabilities and offensive ommppph in exchange for cap relays and Cap sucking Tachs you cant even fit on a ship. Can't be assed to go into great detail of a pre-existing problem with Amarr ships/lasers that has existed for years. Suffice to say, for Amarr pilots, train elsewhere, you wont regret it! Quote: You fail....'nuff said....
Ryuga VonRhaiden Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2007.10.25 12:08:00 - [32] actually i'm training amarr cruisers 'cause the Guardian is the best support ship ever for fleet pvp (apart from carriers), same goes for the Damnation... :) amarr is not that bad actually :) Do not try and find the signature... that's impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth... There is no signature.
NeoTheo Caldari Dark Materials Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 12:17:00 - [33] to the OP; Grid armor. Fixers could be uber ;) /Theo
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.10.25 12:20:00 - [34] Its bad game design to intentionally leave a class/race/etc pre-nerfed from the onset of the game and all throughout it's lifetime. Its like saying "we dont like this, so we nerfed it, and we didnt tell you". What, you want Amarr fliers to take another slap to the face? - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online
Dillius Archania Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.10.25 12:24:00 - [35] Originally by: Ryuga VonRhaiden actually i'm training amarr cruisers 'cause the Guardian is the best support ship ever for fleet pvp (apart from carriers), same goes for the Damnation... :) amarr is not that bad actually :) The Guardian and Damnation aren't that bad. Notice how neither is a laser boat.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.25 12:29:00 - [36] Originally by: Judas Jones Suffice to say, for Amarr pilots, train elsewhere, you wont regret it! This is exactly why we other Jones call you Judas, you...you...Judas! My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Sartaron Amarr LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.10.25 12:42:00 - [37] We are the most advanced civilisation, since we have to learn the technology of our enemies.
Malashek Vatrii Kaminjosvig	Posted - 2007.10.25 12:51:00 - [38] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Judas Jones Suffice to say, for Amarr pilots, train elsewhere, you wont regret it! This is exactly why we other Jones call you Judas, you...you...Judas! I guess that counts me out. I started Caldari, and then switched to Amarr... now I'm switching to Gallente or Mini. Wew go indecision! (Mind you I can fly every Amarr sub-capital ship) * * * *
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.10.25 12:59:00 - [39] Edited by: Akita T on 25/10/2007 13:06:22 Originally by: Judas Jones Gankgeddon has not existed in-game since stack penalty was brought in coupled with Thermal nerf on amarr Crystals. [...] Evolution implies progress,as in moving forward, as in getting 'better', I don't think the Amarr race would consider its natural evolution to include reducing its damage capabilities and offensive ommppph in exchange for cap relays and Cap sucking Tachs you cant even fit on a ship. ONE meaning of the world "evolution" is progress/betterment. It can also mean just "developement" or "series of changes", and not necessarily good ones. Ok, so maybe not the MOST fortunate choice of words, but still. Would you have liked it better if I would have said "It's not by design, it's just how it ended up after some old changes" ? It's the same thing, really, not my fault you misunderstood me. Fact remains, the Amarr were NOT "weak by design", and the Gankageddon IS more than ample proof for that... for as long as it existed, anyway. It's like claiming "Caldari suck at PvP by design"... well, might I remind you of the cruise Kestrels, or the "omfg-always-hit-for-full-damage" torp Ravens of old ? Things change in the game. It's a constant developement. Some race gets better, other get worse. It is evolution. Not of any race, but of the game. _ 1\|2\|3
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.25 13:15:00 - [40] Originally by: Malashek Vatrii I guess that counts me out. I started Caldari, and then switched to Amarr... now I'm switching to Gallente or Mini. Wew go indecision! (Mind you I can fly every Amarr sub-capital ship) Hehe, yeah, it was more of a "family jones" snipe at him Caldari and Amarr, as well as Gallente and Minmatar, seem to have this "we fly eachothers ships" thing. Must be the whole war thing. Most amarr train caldari ships too, mostly cause we got the whole khanid thing and most caldari train amarr too, also due to the khanid thing i believe. Makes for an easy switch. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.

Maximada Minmatar Porta Incendia 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.10.25 13:21:00 - [41] I remember years ago when everyone was crying about how crap minmatars were. Its not like there is one race that is supremely overpowered anymore like when the caldaris ruled space. I just dont realise what all the moaning on the forums is about 'my race is crap now blah blah blah' who cares tbh at the end of the day we chose our races from the off and after a year in eve i was thinking i wish i knew more before choosing minmatar but you adapt and a true eve pilot will make the best of what he has rather than the everyday forum moan that were seeing everyday.
Wild Rho Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.10.25 13:46:00 - [42] The basic design philosiphy behind Amarr ship design is brute force. Lot's of armour and lot's of damage with little room for flexibility or fancy tricks. This in itself is fine, there's nothing specifically wrong with our ships being the most vulnerable to EW as our ships are infact designed to work best as part of a group (the slot layout promotes heavily specialised setups over more general ones). The only real problem is that our ships don't do the two main things they are designed to do any better (and often worse) than other races. Granted in terms of tanking we still have some of the better ships but there are plenty that can match us in this area. In damage terms however, we've been slowly crippled through numerous changes to the game mechanics that leaves many of our ships useless in comparison.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.25 13:51:00 - [43] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 25/10/2007 13:51:42 Originally by: Wild Rho In damage terms however, we've been slowly crippled through numerous changes to the game mechanics that leaves many of our ships useless in comparison. Yeha, there's nothing wrong with our damage. We are, i think, in par with other races in damage. It's just that, over the years, the resistances somehow went against us. Kinda like "yeah, we still shoot bullets, they just developed those darn vests." My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Lucre STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2007.10.25 13:57:00 - [44] Originally by: Titus Lewis In fact, if you were CCP and had to pick one group to be the weakest, wouldn't you pick Amarr? Er, no, I'd pick Minmatar. They're the romantic rebel slaves whereas Amarr are the evil empire slavelords. People playing Minmatar want to be the underdogs so surely they're a much more logical choice? Besides, Minnie ships look like junk - surely nobody would think it unreasonable if they flew like it too?
Oosel Nightmare Holdings Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 14:11:00 - [45] dont worry about us older amarr players....we have wow for the many long months on non eve play and we have patience....it still doesnt stop my daily sales eve wise and i can rest easily knowing my skills still rack up. amarr players have time and money on their side
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.10.25 14:13:00 - [46] Originally by: Sarah Aubry Give amarr more cap recharge, the rep bonus gallente got and buff their hp more and they will look like the race they were depicted to be. Big slow heavy tanking laser ships. I worry about the new t2 frig with more drones than gallente :\ If you guys get anymore cap recharge buffs, you are gonna be insane godlike people and NOBODY is gonna use lasers. If it were me, I would setup arty/autos and afk omnitank anybody's damage. Hell alot of you guys do it now. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.10.25 14:19:00 - [47] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 25/10/2007 13:51:42 Originally by: Wild Rho In damage terms however, we've been slowly crippled through numerous changes to the game mechanics that leaves many of our ships useless in comparison. Yeha, there's nothing wrong with our damage. We are, i think, in par with other races in damage. It's just that, over the years, the resistances somehow went against us. Kinda like "yeah, we still shoot bullets, they just developed those darn vests." we are just waiting for someone to work out how to get through that vest, (torp raven with explosive?) and the gankageddon is still no match for the gankathron. at least i think not.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.10.25 14:20:00 - [48] Originally by: Sharupak Originally by: Sarah Aubry Give amarr more cap recharge, the rep bonus gallente got and buff their hp more and they will look like the race they were depicted to be. Big slow heavy tanking laser ships. I worry about the new t2 frig with more drones than gallente :\ If you guys get anymore cap recharge buffs, you are gonna be insane godlike people and NOBODY is gonna use lasers. If it were me, I would setup arty/autos and afk omnitank anybody's damage. Hell alot of you guys do it now. lol yes, lets enslave a race, and then discover they have better weaponry then us!!!
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.10.25 14:37:00 - [49] Edited by: Sharupak on 25/10/2007 14:43:05 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Sharupak Originally by: Sarah Aubry Give amarr more cap recharge, the rep bonus gallente got and buff their hp more and they will look like the race they were depicted to be. Big slow heavy tanking laser ships. I worry about the new t2 frig with more drones than gallente :\ If you guys get anymore cap recharge buffs, you are gonna be insane godlike people and NOBODY is gonna use lasers. If it were me, I would setup arty/autos and afk omnitank anybody's damage. Hell alot of you guys do it now. lol yes, lets enslave a race, and then discover they have better weaponry then us!!! But its true, they run around in their 30k armor repping tanks with 80% resist battleships (Its an exaggeration I realize that) and cry foul at minnies that try to counter with nanophoons. Perhaps lowering laser cap use would help with the problem, but would that make hybrids a non option as a weapon? Even in the scenario the OP posted. those situations happen in every single game and I dont think it has anything to do with..."lets make a crap race with the best RP storyline for all the D&D nerds to latch onto and complain since they are in the minority and that will equal less complaints by the rest of the community." It always comes down to a game mechanic that becomes difficult to balance. CAP is as vital... actually more vital than armor and shields because when you are out of it, you have nothing... no offense, defense, ew, or escapeability. Honestly, the best way to fix it would probably be to come up with another stat that is disassociated with all of that. Like (hell, I dont know what to call it) "Laser Mojo" so that when it runs out, Amarr ships still have survivability. But then it pretty much becomes an "ammo stat" but the cool thing is that it would be a "recharging" ammo stat. Maybe you should fit a lowslot module for this that increases it. But balance it so that the one module is all you would need to sustain fire to almost indefinately and it increases one weapon stat (tracking damage etc...). Take that with a grain of salt, as I dont fly Amarr ships so it could be a complete crap idea. The other thing is ranges of lasers are freakin wierd! It would definately take me some time to adjust to that maybe there is an advantage to this idk, If there isnt, perhaps this could be adjusted as well. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Alvara Kuiper Belt Industries Empire Research	Posted - 2007.10.25 14:40:00 - [50] I fly amarr almost exclusively. I switched from caldari early on. Why you may ask? Its simple. I like not worrying about ammo, and setting up ships with perma tanks with no chance of running out of ammo. ;) Slow and steady wins more battles then quick and decisive. I can do things in amarr ships, that other races can't. Like solo some incredibly hard complexes and missions in one go. If I had to choose a race other then amarr, it'd be gallente though. I'm running out of amarr T2 ships to train for, so maybe I'll go that way next. Tired of Waiting? Use Empire Research

False Myrm Minmatar F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.10.25 14:43:00 - [51] Why does the race with the most obsolete ships (amarr) have the most high tech weapons (lasers)? -------------------------------------- FalseMyrmidon of TW Fame
Christari Zuborov Amarr Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.25 15:15:00 - [52] I have a real hard time understanding why our laser turrets have tracking rates comparable to other non-laser type turrets. I mean, seriously, projectile typed turrets have barrels and ammo chains extending from their breach. It makes sense that they'd have mass to swing around and traverse. Laser turrets have none of that. I don't know why anyone would even have a 'turret' with a laser when essentially all you need is equipment built into the hull of the ship, and mirrors externally to direct the beams. Mirrors aren't light, but they're a lot lighter than ammo and huge metal bored barrels. We should have 1/4 or 1/8 the tracking of other turreted systems. Better tracking would equate out to more critical hits more often - which would be a boost to damage.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.25 15:37:00 - [53] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 25/10/2007 15:37:28 Originally by: Sharupak But its true, they run around in their 30k armor repping tanks with 80% resist battleships (Its an exaggeration I realize that) and cry foul at minnies that try to counter with nanophoons. Yeah, i only get like, around 75% resists on my abaddon Maybe i should post my idea for a HEAT producing, module targetting amarr laser turret here too My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Tia Seras	Posted - 2007.10.25 15:41:00 - [54] Of my two main characters, one is Amarr (my original pick when I started), the other is Caldari. At the time I didn't know the intricacies of the racial makeup of the player base, I just thought the Amarr as sort of duty bound Roman legionaires toward the end of the empire. Slaves are traded openly in Amarr, and even if I have 30 slaves from some mission I keep them in a hangar, drinking Quafe, as I am loathe to sell Eve flesh. (Since they aren't worth much anyway I can afford this moral stance). I'll gladly give them to a Minmitar character but I do believe there is no vehicle for actually "freeing" slaves in-game. If I try to fly them to Minmitar space I'll get busted for sure, so they play dice, ogle Amarrian women,and await their fate. Just like the 40 militants I have doing odd jobs and keeping the place clean. Since Amarrians are politically incorrect given their slaver backgrounds, are they deliberately being kept down by the Devs? Maintaining this tactical inequality may be a deliberate intent, since they seem to be an odious bunch. But a 51% good, 49% evil universe will still appeal to Carebears, so let the Amarr be the reviled ones! My Amarr character is currently satisfied with being a successful merchant, gathering ISK, flying an occasional mission to keep sharp, and ratting for loot and salvage. Joining a corporation just to get ganked to and from Jita sounds like a lot of stress to me, and having to meet at system "X" to mine ore to build the next capital behemoth for the glory of corporate and alliance warfare just seems like work. I've always liked the underdog, miserable curs we may be. But moaning because another race has an advantage? Pretty people have an advantage in the real world, and Gallente ships all look like they were designed from a pile of disembodied human organs anyway. My consciousness drifts in and out of Eve, in and out of character. Do I want to be the Caldari lab-coated mousy production and mining genius today? Or do I want to strap myself in my Arbitrator and hunt Sansha's Minions? PvP? Naw, sounds like even more work, the game is challenging enough at this point. Maybe later when I have 15m+ skills or so.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.10.25 15:49:00 - [55] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 25/10/2007 15:37:28 Originally by: Sharupak But its true, they run around in their 30k armor repping tanks with 80% resist battleships (Its an exaggeration I realize that) and cry foul at minnies that try to counter with nanophoons. Yeah, i only get like, around 75% resists on my abaddon Maybe i should post my idea for a HEAT producing, module targetting amarr laser turret here too You never know, this might be the day that you wont get flamed...the ground did feel aweful cold this morning. No. Here is the real deal folks! Its job security! If CCP fixed Amarr, then half of the moderating community would get fired due to 50% less board activity due to no more annoying Amarr whine posts! _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Dotard Minmatar Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.25 15:51:00 - [56] Metal Bored barrels? Thsi is the future man! We don't use metal. Our guns and ammo are made from composite plastics! Nerf You! Buff Me!
Khrillian	Posted - 2007.10.25 16:30:00 - [57] OP has a really good point.
Malashek Vatrii Kaminjosvig	Posted - 2007.10.25 16:56:00 - [58] Or get a free command ship from your corp mates by skilling in Gallente ASAP... lol ^^ * * * *
Andreya Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.10.25 17:51:00 - [59] new amarr missile ships are amazing.. new t2 ewar frig rules, the sacriledge is a pimp daddy.. and the redeemer is going to be the best t2 Bs in the game hands down... amarr is actually good enough now that i finished minmatar, now im doing amarr (ps the heretic is wicked, and the malediction rocks) amarr kicks arse, stop complaining _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything.
JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.25 20:13:00 - [60] Edited by: JamnOne on 25/10/2007 20:13:29 Originally by: Judas Jones Amarr pilots, train elsewhere, you wont regret it! I refuse to leave my Amarrian Brothers. I will go down with the ship and replace with another Amarrian ship if I do survive to see another battle. I even invested in Duct Tape and Bailing Wire to keep my ships together. ________________________ Originally by: CCP Prism X Hah! Vengeance is sweet!

Baron Primus	Posted - 2007.10.25 21:10:00 - [61] Originally by: JamnOne Edited by: JamnOne on 25/10/2007 20:13:29 Originally by: Judas Jones Amarr pilots, train elsewhere, you wont regret it! I refuse to leave my Amarrian Brothers. I will go down with the ship and replace with another Amarrian ship if I do survive to see another battle. I even invested in Duct Tape and Bailing Wire to keep my ships together. Can I get an amen? Worse comes to worse, cross-train ;P Or just train more? Max thine laser skills! Originally by: SoftRevolution WoW is computer AIDS.
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.10.25 23:09:00 - [62] There's a reason why the geddon and abaddon are feared on the battlefield. Then again, there's a reason why every other ship in the family gets "lol"-ed at Not to mention the lol-adin coming with Trinity 2. That's just insulting. - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online
shinsushi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.10.26 01:54:00 - [63] Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari There's a reason why the geddon and abaddon are feared on the battlefield. Then again, there's a reason why every other ship in the family gets "lol"-ed at Not to mention the lol-adin coming with Trinity 2. That's just insulting. Yes yes, the abaddon, the geddon, and the harbinger are good T1 laser boats. Where are the rest of them? The amarr race was NERFED based on one ship... the gankageddon. The only T1 ships that have worked right since then are the ones released after the nerf, doesn't that tell you all something? AMARR - Taking it up the butt since 2005
Todaki Nambura Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.26 02:42:00 - [64] I love Amarr ships. You just have to mess with the configurations until you find the sweet spot.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.26 02:48:00 - [65] Originally by: JamnOne I even invested in Duct Tape and Bailing Wire to keep my ships together. you fly minmatar? I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
Caenus	Posted - 2007.10.26 04:14:00 - [66] Originally by: SirMoric Originally by: Lord Matrix Story wise, Amarr are far from being weak. No weak race was ever able to enslave an entire other race. No other race in EVE fought the Jovians. No other race in EVE controls more space than the glorious Amarr Empire. We are not a weak race. CCP made us weak. There is a reason why the majority of old players are Amarr. The Minmatar rebelled and broke away and you lost the war against the Jove. You, my friend, ARE weak. rgds actually they were going to go back and kick Jovian ass but they had to handle the minmatar uprising so they signed a peace treaty thats really just a temporary cease fire and both sides know this. Amarr are actually pwnage incarnate. they have the most lowslots for a reason. stop tanking with long range weapons and damage boosting with short range weapons TBH. imagine what an amarr long range could do with all low slots set for laser damage boost and mid slots set for hardeners and cap rechargers with crystals that reduce your cap use uop to 45% if cap is a problem because you have multiple turret points, or if you only have 1 or 2 turret points use the crystals that are more powerful but dont have the cap reduction bonuses. its all about balance. personally they should be the ones to call if you want to BBQ some caldari
kittykatkat	Posted - 2007.10.26 04:42:00 - [67] It might be just me but Amarr are just fine and dominate in many aspects once you train over a year when you compare to other races also trained over a year. The way the different damage types and weapon types work everyone won't be equal at every sp level. Many would argue that other that Hybrid specializing Gallente have a big problem in the long term pvp while others might claim that minmatar are screwed no matter what in pvp. Others will claim that minmatar are the best at solo pvp and Gallente are the best at gang PVP. Most people will claim that Caldari are the best at missions and horrible at pvp. All of these statements are half true and half lies or misinformation based on the experiences of each user. Good Amarr pvpers don't seem to complain at all. It is always the guys who are a few months old crying about it as if they were meant to be uber since they started their trial . Race vs Race balancing is one of the areas CCP has done an amazing job at.
krrukruukruuujkh	Posted - 2007.10.26 05:25:00 - [68] fix amarr now or im cancelling 21 accounts
Caenus	Posted - 2007.10.26 06:03:00 - [69] Originally by: krrukruukruuujkh fix amarr now or im cancelling 21 accounts bye /waves
Zolian	Posted - 2007.10.26 06:04:00 - [70] Boost Amarr!

shinsushi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.10.26 16:04:00 - [71] Originally by: kittykatkat It might be just me but Amarr are just fine and dominate in many aspects once you train over a year when you compare to other races also trained over a year. The way the different damage types and weapon types work everyone won't be equal at every sp level. Many would argue that other that Hybrid specializing Gallente have a big problem in the long term pvp while others might claim that minmatar are screwed no matter what in pvp. Others will claim that minmatar are the best at solo pvp and Gallente are the best at gang PVP. Most people will claim that Caldari are the best at missions and horrible at pvp. All of these statements are half true and half lies or misinformation based on the experiences of each user. Good Amarr pvpers don't seem to complain at all. It is always the guys who are a few months old crying about it as if they were meant to be uber since they started their trial . Race vs Race balancing is one of the areas CCP has done an amazing job at. Hi, I have got 30 mil sp in amarrian stuff. Goto the ships and forums, you will see people complaining about amarr with far more sp in amarrian stuff than me. Thanks. AMARR - Taking it up the butt since 2005


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