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Lord Grim
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Posted - 2004.02.25 18:49:00 -
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Many people these days have millions of isk worth of implants in their skull.
I see this as a problem - they are not removeable without loss - This means that anyone with them may decide it isnt worth heading to dangerous space, do PVP or have fun exploring etc as it isnt worth the risk.
There needs to be a way of removing implants with a smaller risk, anyone who hasnt got a lot of money isnt going to want to lose 50m worth of implants.
What if you could remove implants at a cloning facility, for say, 1 million a pop. This would prevent peoplepulling them in and out a lot and would help those who want to take them out and have fun for a while.
are CCP going to do anything about this in the near future?
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Phoenixgurl
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Posted - 2004.02.25 18:52:00 -
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I love that idea! |
Mitchman
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Posted - 2004.02.25 18:56:00 -
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TomB has hinted at this, but 1M per pop is a bit steep.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.25 18:57:00 -
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Simple solution:
Don't put them in.
Jebus, if you're so damn worried about losing what's in your skull DON'T USE IMPLANTS. Don't buy them. If you get them from an agent, just sell them. But if you want faster training times, it comes at a price:
Risk
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Lord Grim
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:00:00 -
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Simple solution:
Don't put them in.
Jebus, if you're so damn worried about losing what's in your skull DON'T USE IMPLANTS. Don't buy them. If you get them from an agent, just sell them. But if you want faster training times, it comes at a price:
Risk
Thats a load of crap though. People have them they will use them. with them in they have MUCH better training times, lots of people have them from agents so just plug them in - they havent actually paid for them. People who DO pay for them can afford them so they probably arent as concerned about losing them.
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Jim Bond
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Bond on 25/02/2004 19:11:26
Be nice to unplug them from somones corpse, and stick them in your own head. Maybe a bit sick though 
At least people will have implants and wont be these extortionate prices and another source of getting them except from the 1 every 500 agent missions.
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Stevo
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:10:00 -
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If you want to complain about it do like the post above said...DONT PUT THEM IN! If you are worried about loosing them cause they cost so much wait untill you can afford to loose some implants...I have implants and im out in 0.0 if I loose them thats too damn bad I will save up and get more...PROBLEM SOLVED!!!Jeez someone always has something to complain about
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The Mizz
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:10:00 -
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I do not think ccp should do anything about this situation. if you are gonna buy implants and it raises attributes 3 to 4 points per imp there should also be some consequences for reaping the benifits. personally I love it when I pod kill someone and they tell me they had a full set of implants it puts a big smile on my face. With implants you will enver feel free to do as you wish. DONT GET THEM.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:21:00 -
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Quote:
Simple solution:
Don't put them in.
Jebus, if you're so damn worried about losing what's in your skull DON'T USE IMPLANTS. Don't buy them. If you get them from an agent, just sell them. But if you want faster training times, it comes at a price:
Risk
I have to agree with Jash on this one. I have implants in my head, if you pod me darn, I've lost them. I knew that could happen, I knew they're unrecoverable once they're put in. Agreed: RISK. It's part of the game.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:23:00 -
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You'd like battleships that cost 25k isk too, wouldn't you?
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Phoenixgurl
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:23:00 -
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pfft
If we could remove them, that would mean we can remove it from corpses :D
That would be awsome! |
Acix
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:27:00 -
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Jim has a great idea there. Getting implants from corpses. I have lost implants and I would have been able to get them back much easier if I could take them off the pilots I have killed during war. Would make the fun of PVP skyrocket. How about a medic skill that can take out implants with a success/failure rate from corpses. This could open a whole new market for people to make some money from just having a skill trained to a very high level. I would train my Industry character up for a month or so to get this skill.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:29:00 -
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I'm fully aware of the risk of losing the implants i have plugged in.
It's a risk i take. I get podded; dang i lost them.
No big deal. i knew it could happen
(Im with jash)
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:30:00 -
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Quote:
Quote:
Simple solution:
Don't put them in.
Jebus, if you're so damn worried about losing what's in your skull DON'T USE IMPLANTS. Don't buy them. If you get them from an agent, just sell them. But if you want faster training times, it comes at a price:
Risk
Thats a load of crap though. People have them they will use them. with them in they have MUCH better training times, lots of people have them from agents so just plug them in - they havent actually paid for them. People who DO pay for them can afford them so they probably arent as concerned about losing them.
No, people buy crap in this game that they CAN'T afford and then complain when it gets lost. It's called "living beyond your means".
If you cannot afford to lose 2 battleships, don't get 1.
If you cannot afford to lose 2 cruisers, don't get 1.
If you cannot afford to lose 2 Elite Frigates, don't get 1.
If you cannot afford to lose a complete set of implants, DON'T GET ONE.
Catering to the mentality shown by this thread negates the achievements of those that put in the work to afford that kind of equipment. If it was a straight achievement issue, I'd prolly not mind. Except that it's not.
Everytime something is made cheaper so those who will not put in the work to properly afford something 'can play too', reasons to continue doing anything are removed for those who have and will put in the work to afford them.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:31:00 -
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I'm fully aware of the risk of losing the implants i have plugged in.
It's a risk i take. I get podded; dang i lost them.
No big deal. i knew it could happen
(Im with jash)
On the other hand... You don't NEED to replace them, so saying that you lost isk isn't 100% correct IMHO.
Yes, I could have made ISK selling them instead of using them (especially my perception implant, they we're selling at 45M for a week or two!  ), but hey, I consider them a luxury and not something you really need.
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Koda
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Koda on 25/02/2004 19:32:58
Have to agree with Jash - Don't get them if you're worried about losing them. So training times take a little longer. Means you don't have to check on them as often. And I could care less about skill point totals.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:33:00 -
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I'm wiring my head with semtex, an exploding head feature in the avatar window would be nice here. I'm not prepared to give anything up to a lazy bum warming his ass on a gate if I can prevent it.
Enter suicide bombing.
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Phoenixgurl
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:36:00 -
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wow what a great reflection jash.
If you can't afford 2 bs, dont buy one! WTH!??
You really want me to mine with my thorax 250M?!? Are you crazy? I would rather buy a BS right away and mine the other one. What the hell your thinking? That's a freaking loss of time!
It's people like you, that are rich, who forgots how long it takes to buy the first cruiser, than the first BS. |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:37:00 -
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I think Jash meant "Don't fight/do anything risky with one" rather than "don't get one".
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Adliger Krieger
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:38:00 -
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Edited by: Adliger Krieger on 25/02/2004 19:39:25
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Simple solution:
Don't put them in.
Jebus, if you're so damn worried about losing what's in your skull DON'T USE IMPLANTS. Don't buy them. If you get them from an agent, just sell them. But if you want faster training times, it comes at a price:
Risk
Thats a load of crap though. People have them they will use them. with them in they have MUCH better training times, lots of people have them from agents so just plug them in - they havent actually paid for them. People who DO pay for them can afford them so they probably arent as concerned about losing them.
No, people buy crap in this game that they CAN'T afford and then complain when it gets lost. It's called "living beyond your means".
If you cannot afford to lose 2 battleships, don't get 1.
If you cannot afford to lose 2 cruisers, don't get 1.
If you cannot afford to lose 2 Elite Frigates, don't get 1.
If you cannot afford to lose a complete set of implants, DON'T GET ONE.
Catering to the mentality shown by this thread negates the achievements of those that put in the work to afford that kind of equipment. If it was a straight achievement issue, I'd prolly not mind. Except that it's not.
Everytime something is made cheaper so those who will not put in the work to properly afford something 'can play too', reasons to continue doing anything are removed for those who have and will put in the work to afford them.
Well, thats a turd of a statement, Jash. Implants do keep people from PVP'ing. And there should be a way to remove them temporarily. There should be a way to remove them at a price by means of a surgeon recommended to you by your agent. Or a new skill that would expand on the idea of the Cybernetics skill, allowing you to reverse the procedure. You can't tell me that in the future, there will be the ability to plug in implants but not remove them. But who knows? Maybe it will not be possible. The point is we dont know but this is a game so let people do it if it means they will have more fun. (Get it, GAME = FUN?)
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Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:41:00 -
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There's really no problem with removing implants unless your a forum troller..
I mean doctors in the 20th century could take out a living beating human heart and then put it back in again no problem.
If the implant has a problem. Put it on life support.
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Slinky Redfoot
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:43:00 -
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Adliger, the game is already fun - you're the one throwing up barriers to keep yourself from having it.
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Dirtball
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:44:00 -
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I've had a willpower implant sitting in my hangar for about 2 weeks now. I don't really want to sell it, but I don't want to use it cause when my ship gets blown up I like to just hit autopilot back to HQ and then if someone pods me oh well, and I like to try and get in on some action, but there are no good guys so I'm usually going solo. PS I'm only fighting in frigates atm because I realise the whole living within your means thing as Jash says, but unfortunatly the larger corps think I'm a complete noob or something and are not interested in a frigate pilot even though I'm probably smarter than a lot of cruiser pilots and I won't ever be begging for money for a new ship because I was living outside of my means. I have all frigate 3's just because I haven't bothered getting the cruiser skill yet since I can't really afford to replace them yet, I got all skills a frigate pilot could want and trained them all instead of trying to get a cruiser. I'm the living within my means poster boy.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:44:00 -
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I'm just waiting for some idiot to squeal "CCP, please insure my ore in case I accidentally blow up my jettisoned can or someone steals it" or "CCP, please insure my modules because I paid 50M isk for a XL C5-L shield booster and I just self-destructed".
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Lord Grim
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:44:00 -
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No its not like losing a ship really is it. you can insure them as well.
Anyways, its a problem because players dont have as much fun = less reason to keep playing the game..
You can do anything you like with your ships, you can remove valuable modules if you think you will die, you can insure you ship, you cannot do anything about 50m of implants. This is flawed, regardless of whether or not you can afford to use them.
People who DONT have a lot of money, think implants are a good idea - they are for new players they can get a useable character much faster, then they realise oh ****, i dont want to lose these and stay in secure space.
Do you want people to stick to secure space, or go to 0.0 more often ? more fights, more fun, CCP gets more people enjoying the game.
just because YOU can afford them doesnt mean everyone can.
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Lord Grim
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:50:00 -
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The whole implants thing is like tying a great big rock to people, they dont want to leave empire.
They dont mind losing there ship, they can insure that they can have a lot of fun with it and be able to replace it relatively easily.
Implants, well, who flys a 65m battleship in 0.0 without insuring it, and wants to do PVP? You tell me.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:53:00 -
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But I have fun when pirates lose implants. The stuff in my head is worth more than the contents in my wallet and still that says nothing about what implants or how many there are. I still fly into battle in a cruiser and I cruise around in a frigate. If I can have fun with an implant I'm sure you can.
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Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:53:00 -
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then dont use them i dont mind 3-4 less points on my memory... a +4 complete set could probaly buy me like 2 bs's. since i dont think i will quit eve anytime soon i dont mind the wait... i dont even feel a driffrence
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:55:00 -
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wow what a great reflection jash.
If you can't afford 2 bs, dont buy one! WTH!??
You really want me to mine with my thorax 250M?!? Are you crazy? I would rather buy a BS right away and mine the other one. What the hell your thinking? That's a freaking loss of time!
It's people like you, that are rich, who forgots how long it takes to buy the first cruiser, than the first BS.
Keenon and Psychopath took my Typhoon. I grabbed a Reaper, headed back and started manufacturing a Tempest immediately. Josh is correct in modifying my statement, however. If you plan to mine in high sec space with your battleship, knock yourself out with just one
I started the game at a different point and still adhere by those rules however. Because I cannot anticipate what might happen and I will NEVER place myself into a position where I have something I cannot replace immediately. Let alone a position where a loss will break me.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Phoenixgurl
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Posted - 2004.02.25 19:59:00 -
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I agree
But still, the implant loss is considerable, we should be able to remove it.
Oh god.. just had a silly thought, about the actress who insured her butt... |
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