Pages: 1 [2] 3 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 2 post(s) |
Nogsocks
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
|
Posted - 2007.10.25 10:31:00 -
[31]
Well, did you really want the new dictors to completely overshadow the old ones? As it is, destroyers are rare and interdictors fill a very niche role. Give them some reason to fly a destroyer
|
Andreya
Murder-Death-Kill
|
Posted - 2007.10.25 18:21:00 -
[32]
i will snap if they make normal dictors obsolete with the heavy dictors... as it is, they have very different roles... but at the same time.. the heavy dictor is lacking something..... it seems too vulnerable at the moment... but dear gawd, dont replace my destroyer dictors!!! _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything. |
Itzcoatl
Minmatar The Guild of Calamitous Intent
|
Posted - 2007.10.25 22:18:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Itzcoatl on 25/10/2007 22:18:07 LAWLS no dictor for you monkey boy.
|
Black Necris
Minmatar Black Watch Legionnaires
|
Posted - 2007.10.25 22:19:00 -
[34]
I have been a dictor pilot for more than 5 months now, they are fast they do the task and they are good in killing the small ships, BUT they are paper thin.
When i heard bout heavy dictors coming out i said "finally" i will be able to solo in my ship or to actually engage in the battle, but upon reading this im just plain disapointed.
Its absolutly stupid IMO to penalise a ship for droping a bubble in his speed, fark i would be all up for it if it does the same to all ships, but just the dictor pilot penalized??? come on!! that thing will be the same function as having my small dictor:
Get at gate at 0 drop a bubble jump out.
When will CCP start to think about the small roaming gangs and stop thinking about the large uber capitals ships engagements WICH BTW YOUR SERVER CANT HANDLE.
Im a new player only a year old, but i have been in POS wars and belive me i dont want to see another POS or 50vs50 ever again, IT SUCKS, plain and simple IT SUCKS. Run a poll with your clients about what they think about this and ill think we all agree on this. "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) |
Azuse
The Brotherhood Of The Blade Pure.
|
Posted - 2007.10.25 22:28:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Black Necris I have been a dictor pilot for more than 5 months now, they are fast they do the task and they are good in killing the small ships, BUT they are paper thin.
When i heard bout heavy dictors coming out i said "finally" i will be able to solo in my ship or to actually engage in the battle, but upon reading this im just plain disapointed.
Its absolutly stupid IMO to penalise a ship for droping a bubble in his speed, fark i would be all up for it if it does the same to all ships, but just the dictor pilot penalized??? come on!! that thing will be the same function as having my small dictor:
Get at gate at 0 drop a bubble jump out.
When will CCP start to think about the small roaming gangs and stop thinking about the large uber capitals ships engagements WICH BTW YOUR SERVER CANT HANDLE.
Im a new player only a year old, but i have been in POS wars and belive me i dont want to see another POS or 50vs50 ever again, IT SUCKS, plain and simple IT SUCKS. Run a poll with your clients about what they think about this and ill think we all agree on this.
Whine Whine ***** *****.
And before you come back at me just go back and actually read what the bloody ship does before trolling. --------------------------
|
Black Necris
Minmatar Black Watch Legionnaires
|
Posted - 2007.10.25 22:32:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Black Necris on 25/10/2007 22:35:35 edited "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) |
Khan Soriano
Beyond Divinity Inc Terra Incognita.
|
Posted - 2007.10.25 23:08:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Azuse
Originally by: Black Necris I have been a dictor pilot for more than 5 months now, they are fast they do the task and they are good in killing the small ships, BUT they are paper thin.
When i heard bout heavy dictors coming out i said "finally" i will be able to solo in my ship or to actually engage in the battle, but upon reading this im just plain disapointed.
Its absolutly stupid IMO to penalise a ship for droping a bubble in his speed, fark i would be all up for it if it does the same to all ships, but just the dictor pilot penalized??? come on!! that thing will be the same function as having my small dictor:
Get at gate at 0 drop a bubble jump out.
When will CCP start to think about the small roaming gangs and stop thinking about the large uber capitals ships engagements WICH BTW YOUR SERVER CANT HANDLE.
Im a new player only a year old, but i have been in POS wars and belive me i dont want to see another POS or 50vs50 ever again, IT SUCKS, plain and simple IT SUCKS. Run a poll with your clients about what they think about this and ill think we all agree on this.
Whine Whine ***** *****.
And before you come back at me just go back and actually read what the bloody ship does before trolling.
Exactly what a person that already is on the whole Carrier-Mothership bandwagon would say
I say nerf capitals to hell and back, make HIs able to solo kill a carrier without support (they can suck vs all other ship classes) and this will teach all you MS wannabes to use them only in fleet battles ----- Arbitrator - Life & Death |
Gaogan
Gallente Solar Storm Sev3rance
|
Posted - 2007.10.26 03:50:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Tiny Carlos
Unless the carrier pilot sucks totaly you'll be neuted when you 'zoom in' to drop the bubble. You need to get in about 18km to drop the buuble effectivly, neut range is 25km+ on a decent neut.
Are you playing the same game as the rest of us? Even if the dicter has to fly to the carrier from 50km out, it will still get there and drop the bubble and be warping off by the time the carrier gets a lock on it. Even if it does get a lock and neut before the bubble drops, there's this little thing called inertia; the dicter will still make it to the carrier and drop the bubble.
I agree, the penalties on this module are entirely too much. With the blown up sig res, this thing is going to go down fast unless it gets some serious remote repping.
|
Arokan Manturi
Caldari Provisions
|
Posted - 2007.10.26 04:00:00 -
[39]
Ofc it dont affect other players speed and sig radius. Would be WAY to powered with an aoe "web" and "target painter". The disadvantages are there so u wont be flying the bubble around at ridiculous speeds.
The interdictor ofc still has its role. Drop bubbles and get the hell out (for fleet warfar) or to gate camp.
|
Stellar Vix
State War Academy
|
Posted - 2007.10.26 10:02:00 -
[40]
Dictors should be the bane of anything-smaller-than-a-capitol-ship, imo thier spheres should no longer effect the abilities of the capitols ships from jumping or warping off if they are immune.
Heavy Dictors would be the new bane of bigger-than-most-battleships tackler and having it specified for the role would make it sorta fair. Now imo you need to allow remote assistance still with this ship while its field is deployed, because captiol support will anhilate wihtout a doubt or trouble at all without this feature off, unless your idea is to have them with the choice of turning on or off thier sphere to get help and not.
SWA PVP |
|
Mythologist
Twisted Attitude Executive Outcomes
|
Posted - 2007.10.26 10:30:00 -
[41]
What do you guys think about the possibility to fit the normal bubble launcher AND/OR the new bubble machine? Would it balance it more? Or overpowered?
|
Kublai Khan
Caldari TAOSP Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2007.10.26 11:14:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Kublai Khan on 26/10/2007 11:15:53 I have a thread here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=621529 about the Interdictor and my take on it both relating to 0.0 PvP in general and Capital warfare.
Interdictors are the "you need this ship or forget about winning a fight" ship in 0.0 today & in dire need of a change to make 0.0 PvP more fun. Don't argue against it before you read the posts... & argue there and not here. Dictors are utterly overpowered for their cost and abilities. With ease the most imbalanced ship in EVE. It can do the job you before needed 20 tacklers to do & thats ruined a lot of 0.0 PvP.
But yes, there is absolutely no reason what so ever to fly a heavy dictor instead of a small dictor.
@ the dice guy advacating that dictors are easily neuted by carriers... your assumption is very wrong.
|
N'olive
Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
|
Posted - 2007.10.26 11:28:00 -
[43]
To sum it up, those Heavy Interdictors looks cool... as long as you don't fit the WDFG :] _____________________________________________________ Olivier C., providing fleet support since 1902. - My Eve videos |
Goldis
Caldari Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.10.26 11:49:00 -
[44]
I didnt bother to run numbers, but say, the amarr one has full t2 resistances, in addition to 5% per cruiser lvl, in addition to 7 low slots.. Doenst that make it ultra tough? ----
De Gustibus et Coloribus non disputandum est.
|
Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
|
Posted - 2007.10.26 11:50:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Setana Manoro on 26/10/2007 11:55:01
Originally by: Futher Bezluden Turns out the uber Warp Disruption Field Generator, which having looked at the stats:
16km bubble -1 warp str -90% ab/mwd max velocity bonus 50% signature radius bonus -80% mass reduction -80% ab/mwd thrust
seems like the perfect thing to combat CCP's idiotic Speedtanking.
NO. The bubble is there, but YOUR AB/MWD max velocity is gimped, YOUR AB/MWD thrust is gimped, Your Signature Radius is Larger. 1792m/s Broadsword -10mn T2 mwd active before activating WDFG- dropped to 420m/s.
Btw... This module does nothing to the ab/MWD module fitted to ships caught inside the bubble, it's just a mobile 16km area affect 1 pt scram.
Useless CCP. Interdictors don't have anything to fear, they'll still have their job when the Heavy's role out.
21:00:00 Hint You are within a warp disruption zone. Get 16800.0 meters from Futher Bezluden's Broadsword to warp.
Even fit ship has 2 stabs fit, Its still stuck in your bubble. Don't expect it to act like "Warp Dis Probes" and pull people out of warp off the gate.
You can cloak and pop the warp dis field -for 30s at least, then it goes offline.
Useful in Empire??? 21:20:04 Notify You cannot do that because it is currently against empire policy to launch, anchor or control objects of that type within their jurisdictions.
============= CCP, Please make the Heavy Dictor Warp Disruption Field Generator Affect ships caught in it's bubble, not only the heavy dictor. With how it works now, people will stick to their interdictors.
Sorry you don't have your I-WIN button. Can I have your stuff ?
You want a ship that is very fast, can scramble and webb without even targeting, and that has a good strong tank on it. HELL NO !
Failgeddon wrecks CCP for XXX annoyed customers ! |
Kaar
Art of War Cult of War
|
Posted - 2007.10.26 12:19:00 -
[46]
They were never meant to reduce the speed of ships inside the bubble (other than your own)
You incorrectly read the module stats.
---
---
|
Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2007.10.26 13:32:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Goldis I didnt bother to run numbers, but say, the amarr one has full t2 resistances, in addition to 5% per cruiser lvl, in addition to 7 low slots.. Doenst that make it ultra tough?
As tough as any other ship with 2x med rep t2 (+ some resists). So: it will die anyways.
Only good hvy dictor is onyx thx to insane passive tank on it.
|
Black Necris
Minmatar Black Watch Legionnaires
|
Posted - 2007.10.27 06:45:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Setana Manoro Edited by: Setana Manoro on 26/10/2007 11:55:01
Originally by: Futher Bezluden Turns out the uber Warp Disruption Field Generator, which having looked at the stats:
16km bubble -1 warp str -90% ab/mwd max velocity bonus 50% signature radius bonus -80% mass reduction -80% ab/mwd thrust
seems like the perfect thing to combat CCP's idiotic Speedtanking.
NO. The bubble is there, but YOUR AB/MWD max velocity is gimped, YOUR AB/MWD thrust is gimped, Your Signature Radius is Larger. 1792m/s Broadsword -10mn T2 mwd active before activating WDFG- dropped to 420m/s.
Btw... This module does nothing to the ab/MWD module fitted to ships caught inside the bubble, it's just a mobile 16km area affect 1 pt scram.
Useless CCP. Interdictors don't have anything to fear, they'll still have their job when the Heavy's role out.
21:00:00 Hint You are within a warp disruption zone. Get 16800.0 meters from Futher Bezluden's Broadsword to warp.
Even fit ship has 2 stabs fit, Its still stuck in your bubble. Don't expect it to act like "Warp Dis Probes" and pull people out of warp off the gate.
You can cloak and pop the warp dis field -for 30s at least, then it goes offline.
Useful in Empire??? 21:20:04 Notify You cannot do that because it is currently against empire policy to launch, anchor or control objects of that type within their jurisdictions.
============= CCP, Please make the Heavy Dictor Warp Disruption Field Generator Affect ships caught in it's bubble, not only the heavy dictor. With how it works now, people will stick to their interdictors.
Sorry you don't have your I-WIN button. Can I have your stuff ?
You want a ship that is very fast, can scramble and webb without even targeting, and that has a good strong tank on it. HELL NO !
The complain here is this ship will be WORTHLESS in 0.0 unless you are in a ubercapitalmonger alliance, becose if you are dumb enough to drop a bubble trying to tackle/kill lets say a BS you will be going down faster than a Thai sexserver.
And if im correct (pls correct me if im wrong) each an every player who has been at least in one of those "uberlagfestcapitalsiegingPOSkilling"* wars think that they are unplayable and simply not fun at all.
But yet it seems that CCP fully knowing that their game cant support that kind of node pressure keeps sending the players to those kind of engagements. Making this ship only usable for capital killing its one example.
*(i came out with that name and you cant use it without my permition) "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) |
Pattern Clarc
Infinitus Odium
|
Posted - 2007.10.27 06:57:00 -
[49]
Can anyone say triage module MK II ? Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus |
aldebaran asteroth
|
Posted - 2007.10.27 08:32:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Pattern Clarc Can anyone say triage module MK II ?
Triage module MK II
|
|
Arshes Nei
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
|
Posted - 2007.10.27 08:43:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Arshes Nei on 27/10/2007 08:44:42 Ill be interested what these scripts will do. At it is im disappointed. Still not a ship to hold down supercaps in lowsec, and nothing you would ever want to use in a fleet or even bigger gang.
I dont care what kind of tank you think it has, i have seen passive fitted drakes getting onevollied. The guy is dead as soon as his speed drops to 400 and his sig goes up. And if you want to use it vs lone carriers ... dictors are better. Faster warping, faster getting in range, faster getting away if its a trap and less isk down the drain if you loose it.
P.S. If i wanted to hold down a carrier, why would i even use the field? I could just use a normal warp disrupt, have less sig, more range can be remote assisted and i am faster. Even if you make a script which allows a different mode of operation, that wouldnt change that this mode is rather limited.
|
Aramendel
Amarr North Face Force
|
Posted - 2007.10.27 09:48:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Pattern Clarc Can anyone say triage module MK II ?
Don't give them ideas, they will increase its skill requirement to graviton 5.
|
Cyreen Archer
|
Posted - 2007.10.27 10:50:00 -
[53]
Suggestion: Why not change the heavy dictors bubble to a AOE webber trap, so, leave out warpscrambling ability and just let the bubble add -90% ab/mwd max velocity bonus, -80% mass reduction and -80% ab/mwd thrust to all ships in the bubble, so you would still need a normal dictor/ceptor for tackling, the ships inside the trap would align faster to warp, and the HD got a nice role it would fit extremly well (keep nanoships from just getting out of a warpbubble and escape)
[ 2007.08.19 12:16:38 ] (combat) Murphy's Law II perfectly strikes Sol-Cluster, wrecking for Database instability. |
Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
|
Posted - 2007.10.27 11:30:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Cyreen Archer Edited by: Cyreen Archer on 27/10/2007 10:58:10 Suggestion: Why not change the heavy dictors bubble to a AOE webber trap, so, leave out warpscrambling ability and just let the bubble add -90% ab/mwd max velocity bonus, -80% mass reduction and -80% ab/mwd thrust to all ships in the bubble. This way you would still need a normal dictor/ceptor for tackling, the ships inside the trap would align faster to warp, and the HD got a nice role it would fill extremly well (keep nanoships from just getting out of a warpbubble and escape)
edit: think this would even keep nanoships getting carried through a set bubble if they drop out of warp, when the bubble is set up at a gate. (someone stated that velocity dropped quit fast after activating the bubble)
ps: iirc, even some CCP member stated that they wanted to nerfbat nanotanks
Because it would be overpowered to hell.
Failgeddon wrecks CCP for XXX annoyed customers ! |
Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2007.10.27 11:48:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Futher Bezluden Edited by: Futher Bezluden on 25/10/2007 01:48:25 Please, make the mod a "Gravity Well" that affects all in the bubble, not just the heavy dictor. -or at least a "Script" for it to act as one.
And it's been proven, a dictor can survive a doomsday. (DD should instapop anything smaller than CS/BS).
As a Heavy Dictor... what prevents everything in the enemy fleet from mwd'ing away from you while you're stuck in space going 400m/s with enormous sig radius. Anti-Fleet, but no matter it's setup it'll melt very fast.
mm what part of are made to deal with caps and super caps you didnt got? I still never saw a capital go faster than a cruiser withiout MSD.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Cyreen Archer
|
Posted - 2007.10.27 12:07:00 -
[56]
i was just thinking about giving the HD something useful. Perhaps they would be better fulfilling another role, like helping with small gang warfare, as many players postet that they just suck at dealing with cap ships...
It was just another idea of giving this ship a nice purpose, and i don't think they would be overpowered if you drop the bubble range to say 10km for tech 1 and 12km for tech 2 HD spheres, but they would really help catching those nano pirates which can get into your area, kill some guys behind the enemy lines and get out without being punished (perhaps i just got killed quite to often by vagabonds...)
On the other hand, noone stops you from putting a warpscrambler on it for tackling caps
[ 2007.08.19 12:16:38 ] (combat) Murphy's Law II perfectly strikes Sol-Cluster, wrecking for Database instability. |
Freya Selene
Infinitus Odium The Church.
|
Posted - 2007.10.27 14:22:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Freya Selene on 27/10/2007 14:23:55 :Lagmonster hit:
|
Kastman
FinFleet Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2007.10.27 14:23:00 -
[58]
The thing that catches my eye the most is this thb
"When activated the warp disruption field generator prevents remote assistance"
I mean the hvy dictor will be primary as soon as it tries to tackle a supercap titan/ms. And i would like to se a hac being able to tank 20 fighters from a ms + support without getting some remote rep love. Mayby its doable but it would cost alot.. So please make it able to recive reps from logistik ships/carriers then it would actually stand a chance in a fight. And well de bubble need to work like a ordinary dictor bubble in terms of scram strength so you cant get out just by having a stab.
|
Freya Selene
Infinitus Odium The Church.
|
Posted - 2007.10.27 14:23:00 -
[59]
Originally by: CCP Gangleri These ships are aimed at capital and super capital tackling, 'dictors and new and improved 'ceptors don't really need any help with the other ship types.
So everyone is going to fly a nano titan? How long will it take for the nano titan to run outside the bubble range?
|
Nasair
|
Posted - 2007.10.27 14:38:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Kastman The thing that catches my eye the most is this thb
"When activated the warp disruption field generator prevents remote assistance"
I mean the hvy dictor will be primary as soon as it tries to tackle a supercap titan/ms. And i would like to se a hac being able to tank 20 fighters from a ms + support without getting some remote rep love. Mayby its doable but it would cost alot.. So please make it able to recive reps from logistik ships/carriers then it would actually stand a chance in a fight. And well de bubble need to work like a ordinary dictor bubble in terms of scram strength so you cant get out just by having a stab.
Apparantly there will be a super capital tackling mode.....
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 [2] 3 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |