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Corphus
The NewOrder
BORG Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.25 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Corphus on 25/10/2007 17:21:41
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i can understand why this topic apeared.
its hard that ccp changes the game so often and simply cant make a final copy strategy which makes it possible to design the game around some parameters which dont need a overhaul everytime something new is added.
i guess the devs should focus on overall testing before implementing new stuff. imo its better to balance things before they hit tq. balancing after ppl got used to it is like selling a car and call it back after finding out it has some serious manufactoring weaknesses. its unprofessional and makes ur customers angry. eve online was launched in 2003...its freakin about time the game leaves beta testing !
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now on a serious note. TII ew frigs are a nice idea but FFS DARE U NOT TO TEST IT BEFORE IMPLEMENTING !! small agile ships with the ability of shutting down enemies in seconds could be the most overpowered thing in eve history.
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JamnOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.25 17:25:00 -
[32]
My 2 cents or iskies for what they are worth
1.) No to reassigning skill points
2.) Yes to allowing a one time re-assigning Attributes as most who joined the game didn't know what the heck they were doing when assigning them the first go around.
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Raneru
Darwin With Attitude
oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.10.25 17:32:00 -
[33]
Train for dreadnought or titan or one of those ORE caps.
No doubt CCP will bring something else capital skill based out in the future so no skill trained is ever wasted.
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0rlin
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Posted - 2007.10.25 17:33:00 -
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Getting half my points back on a skill I dont want any longer would be nice.
I would bet none of you have trained most of your capital skills to lvl 5. Just to go from lvl 4 to 5 was 72+ days each and atm I was foolish enough to do 5 of them. Then to see that its bonuses were crap. |
Futureface01
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.26 07:17:00 -
[35]
hell some games they can destroy an entire class, what good is a respec then?
Im with everyone else, "NO" to respecs. Even though I have several skills I'd love to cash out. To me its a "live and learn"
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Chavu
Ganja Labs
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 07:37:00 -
[36]
The reason other MMORPGs allow repsecs is because they give out a set number of ability points and then you CANNOT improve/change your abilities ever again.
In EVE, if you feel something is not worth it anymore, than you can train for something else. Hell they give out the changes beforehand so you can get a headstart into training something new.
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Barbaro55a
Caldari
Os Lobos
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Posted - 2007.10.26 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Naga Elohim
They have to make this up to us all...
you would have to complete in empire to prove yourself.
Apart from this being in the wrong forum, no, CCP don't have to "make it up to you" things change, get over it.
It's not all like the skills used for carrier mods don't help in other areas, granted you may not have trained them otherwise but all them lvl 5's will help your little T1 frigates fly better too.
As for the idea of missions in empire, what about all the low/ 0.0 pilots with neg sec status? are they banned from this little plan of yours? since they can't enter certain empire systems....
Originally by: ISD Valorem
If someone has hurt you out of game then please talk to family, friends or Police (if necessary)
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Oedus Caro
Caldari
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2007.10.26 08:58:00 -
[38]
Sorry, but anything to do with getting a skill-point 're-spec' is out of the question, if I've anything to say about it. That term brings back such bad memories...
*thinks of SWG, the CU, and the NGE* 
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Lord Bleu
The Xizor Cartel
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Posted - 2007.10.26 09:32:00 -
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Maybe not your entire skills, but certainly the ones they are nerfing.
For example, they are changing carrier so they should give the skill points back that it took to train carrier. The player can then decide if they want to re-invest the points in carrier or do soemthing else.
Now normally I dont like respec but we are talking about thousands of hours of training and of course during that time the player is paying for the ac****.
Its not like asking for something for free, just that if CCP insist on moving the goal posts on things that take a very long time to train, they should give the player the option of re-investing those skill points else where.
Many who trained for carrier now see these invested points as a waste. Im one of them and totally resent the time I wasted training them.
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Jim Bond
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.10.26 10:03:00 -
[40]
Personally I wouldnt mind a full or partial respec of skillpoints, even if ccp ask me to pay for the privilidge and it was a one off and it was possibly limited to characthers of a certain age.
I Started the game in 2003, and in this era, a lot of people didnt specialise, myself included, and tried to multiskill and train everything. I currently have skillpoints that are useless to me as i did before the need to specialise in game came about. After a while Eve evolved to a point that the need to specialise became a requirement.
now some people might say, why would a 2003 char want to respec and become too powerful...simple, i took 2 years out and just have over 30mill sp and cant even fly hacs/command ships because i didnt specialise but multiskilled.
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Delusion 'Fel
Minmatar
Nefarious Ratiocinations
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.26 10:07:00 -
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After spending a year building the perfect character for the T2 Lottery, i find they nerf it completely and remove it from the game... do i want a respec?
No.
The skills i learned are still useful, i just have to apply them differently.
Do you deserve a respec? No
You still have skills which can be used and have value. Sorry that you wont be flying the eve equivalent of the deathstar any more, but hey, those are the breaks.
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Mesacc
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.26 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Brachis
If you suddenly give a player those skill points to "Spend" in skills freely, you could literally have a character who previously was complely min/maxed for their time investment, getting as many skills as possible to level 5, and suddenly they can re-distribute those points into skills on a gross scale. For example, Shield Upgrades level 5 is worth well over 500,000 skill points all on its own. That's enough skill points in that one skill to get dozens of other skills to level 2 or 3, and from taking a quick look at the way it divides up, it can quickly suddenly give that player "Free Time".
OH NOES.
What if you surender a couple lev5 skills and the skill points get thrown into a lev5 pot. Lev4 skills get thrown into a lev4 pot, lev3 etc etc....
You can then only spend points on levels that they came from. If I surrender 2 lev5 skills and it gives me 1.5 mill skill points, I could only spend them on lev 5 skills.
Not saying im for the respec thing. I acctually have mixed feelings about it. SWG has a respec system and it sucks. A lev 90 toon can walk up to a NPC and instantly change from a lev 90 bounty hunter to a lev 90 jedi with no thinking or planing to it at all. The pre-nge respec system was much better. It required thinking and planing. You would have to carefully select what skills to surrender, and tweek it till you get it right. You also lost alot of the skillpoints in the transfer.
Like I said, not saying im for it, but then again, we all have those usless skills that we would love to apply somewhere else!
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Voodoo Mistross
Minmatar
Cskillzone
DAMAGE INC...
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Posted - 2007.10.26 10:52:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Cyclar
I dont like the idea of a total skill respec.
But the idea holds some promise if you combine it with some sort of skill loss.
I think it would be nice if you could "unlearn" a skill, and recieve half of the skill points invested in the "unlearned" skill to put in other skills.
Say for example that you have trained Anchoring lvl 5, but determine you will never use that skill at lvl 5. "Unlearning" the anchoring lvl 5 to lvl 4 will give you half of the skillspoints back to imiediately reinvest in other skills.
The loss of skillpoints would make you think twice, before unlearning a skill, but you would have the option, if you could accept the loss in skillpoints. At least gives you the option to undo previous training decision errors, with skill point loss though.
Just an idea......
I like this, it has balance and is just
/Signed
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El'essar Viocragh
Minmatar
FSK23
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Posted - 2007.10.26 11:09:00 -
[44]
If you skill for sth because you like it, you'll continue to fly it anyway.
If you hop from one overpowered thingy to the next, you don't deserve a respec.
Conclusion: not needed. kthxbye.
That is the price of choosing omg-I-want-thingies over yeah-good-and-solid-thingies.
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2007.10.26 11:12:00 -
[45]
No.
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Jarl Isensonn
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.26 11:36:00 -
[46]
As a carrier pilot, I can't say I dislike the change CCP are making.
CCP never made the carriers to be SOLO boats OR haulers.
They where combat support ships.
" Carriers are also receiving a ship maintenance bay / corporation hanger boost, allowing them to bring more ships and modules to the front lines. "
If the carrier gets these 2 things boosted so that we can move more a fair amount of fitted combatships (even if amo are in the corp array), then horray.
And to move your SP.. please :(
That would just cause EVE to get a LOT of SUPERSPECIALISED chars.. that after next patches will cry they're heart out because they messed up and really didn't want the barge anyway.
All skills in EVE are usefull for something. (maybee except skills to fly a shield tanked Nidhogger... can I get an armor tanked archon instead please Mr CCP?)
So in short .... Naga Elohim ... NO, I am not with you.. People should burn in and take responsibility for they're training schedules.
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Walawalabangbang
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Posted - 2007.10.26 11:38:00 -
[47]
OP - Can i have your stuff?
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Suboran
Gallente
Sphinx Inc
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.10.26 11:48:00 -
[48]
respec, SW:G anyone? and look at it now.
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Freya Gleamingstar
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Posted - 2007.10.26 15:35:00 -
[49]
A respec in EvE can NEVER happen, as each persons experience progression is different and also non linear due to attributes, increasing learning skills etc. It would make it impossible to accurately re-distribute experience.
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Haradgrim
Caldari
The Wild Bunch
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:21:00 -
[50]
No. Period.
Your signature exceeds the byte me limit allowed on the forums-Darth Patches
Oh Noes!
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Akusa Nihil
Aulari Defense Systems
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:26:00 -
[51]
Stop with this stupid idea, it seems to pop up regularly just like the "we need a new cluster" or the "shard Jita" plans.
You don't magically unlearn something you learned in real life, so why should it happen in EVE? If this happened, to be fair you'd have to do it for the Eos pilots that are getting nerfed, for the Curse pilots who may feel that way as well, for the Blasterthron pilots who after this torp-boosting patch will suddenly be outdamaged by torp Ravens.
Its madness.
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punnani
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:47:00 -
[52]
Edited by: punnani on 26/10/2007 16:50:06
Would be awesome but I don't it'll happen for the following reasons:
- there would be no Amarr players left. Everyone would fly gallente/minmatar
- all research skills would be turned into pvp
- too hard to manage something this big ( maybe fee-based)
On the other hand I'd love to get rid of mining 5 and mining barge off my pvp char skilltree. Its just saddens me when i look at it
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Boonaki
Caldari
Knights of Chaos
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.10.28 14:15:00 -
[53]
Best way to nerf carriers, bring in Juggernauts, 8 capital weapons opening up on a carrier = pain
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Drykor
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.10.28 14:37:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Boonaki
Best way to nerf carriers, bring in Juggernauts, 8 capital weapons opening up on a carrier = pain
Yeah and then we need superjuggernauts to kill the juggernauts. And then.. wait.. what?
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Drykor
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.10.28 14:41:00 -
[55]
Originally by: JamnOne
My 2 cents or iskies for what they are worth
1.) No to reassigning skill points
2.) Yes to allowing a one time re-assigning Attributes as most who joined the game didn't know what the heck they were doing when assigning them the first go around.
Have a Nice Day!
Well when I started first, I made a char to check it out, see what was important, read the forums, then made a new char. I'm still fairly happy with the attributes now, even though they are not perfect.
I like the planning and thinking aspect about character development. If people ever played an mmorpg before, they will know better than to stick with their very first character. And even if they haven't played one before, they should realize very early that maybe they should start over. Especially in games without the ability to change attributes. 'cause you will always make mistakes.
I say no to both skillpoint redistribution and attribute redistribution. In fact I'd go as far as saying I'd probably quit if they dumbed down Eve that much.
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Buyerr
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Posted - 2007.10.28 16:06:00 -
[56]
okey if you trained the super duper killing solopwn mobile!
and you where way to stupid OR more realistic ignorant to know /consider that there would without doubt be a nerf at some point, then it is though! for you.
i do not believe respec is a good thing.
although i agree that maybe some kind of system should be implemented so you could rearrange a certain amount of sp within the same classes (spaceship command, gunnery, science etc all classes), the problem would be to balance it.
my idea of it is mainly when they do something that was totally unexpected and that you should not have foreseen.
(f. eks amarr never getting there ompf, torps made totally useless(about to be boosted again), minmatar becomes the super pwnage of pvp with the nano ships etc.
but well i rather not have a respec then seeing every one flying the exact same ship... hmm although maybe ccp would start to realise what needed a change when 100% of mission runners uses caldari, and 100% of pvp'ers uses minmatar or gallente and amarr is a race that no one even heard about :P
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Buyerr
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Posted - 2007.10.28 16:10:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Lord Bleu
Maybe not your entire skills, but certainly the ones they are nerfing.
For example, they are changing carrier so they should give the skill points back that it took to train carrier. The player can then decide if they want to re-invest the points in carrier or do soemthing else.
Now normally I dont like respec but we are talking about thousands of hours of training and of course during that time the player is paying for the ac****.
Its not like asking for something for free, just that if CCP insist on moving the goal posts on things that take a very long time to train, they should give the player the option of re-investing those skill points else where.
Many who trained for carrier now see these invested points as a waste. Im one of them and totally resent the time I wasted training them.
why should carrier pilots be the only one getting "special" treatment??
what about the rest of the playerbase?
they are putting in new ships/stuff etc. maybe i would have sp'ed differently if i had known that, so why don't i get the sp to respec?
see the point;)
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Fswd
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Posted - 2007.10.28 16:13:00 -
[58]
They did NOT ruin carriers. They only reduced its solopwnmobile-ness. And its still on the frigging TEST SERVER.
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Milena Marich
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Posted - 2007.10.28 16:31:00 -
[59]
If that crap with carriers really goes thru, then YES please allow us to make corrections as well.
RE-SPEC !!!
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Nathomos
Minmatar
Magellan Exploration and Survey
Rare Faction
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Posted - 2007.10.28 16:36:00 -
[60]
Originally by: EVE TERMS OF SERVICE
CCP MAY FIND IT NECESSARY ON OCCASION TO MAKE CHANGES TO OR RESET CERTAIN PARAMETERS OF THE PERSISTENT GAME WORLD MECHANICS, INTERFACE OR FEATURES OF EVE ONLINE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN GAME BALANCE AND ENHANCE PLAYABILITY OR PERFORMANCE FOR ITS SUBSCRIBERS. THESE CHANGES MAY AFFECT OR CAUSE SETBACKS FOR THE CHARACTERS YOU’VE CREATED.
Why are you whining, if SP could be liquid and flow to anything you wanted whenever you saw yourself at a disadvantage what would be the point? It's about time management and you agreed to the risks when you joined the game. This whine fails.
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