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Nhi'Khuna
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Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.10.25 18:39:00 -
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Hi Folks,
Looking for a fun project and wanted to get into some ship-building. I'm pretty keen on the covops, inties and the new ewar frigs coming out and am messing around with invention for amarr ships and angling to get into some t2 production.
My questions are concerning profit margins. I'm looking to make this a one man operation, long as I break even I'm ok. Really I just want to build a nice, cheap fleet and maybe make some minor isk on the side.
What kind of infrastructure am I looking at? are advanced components to get on the market going to make producing these things a loss or should I look at building those too? Obviously I'd like to avoid building advanced components from scratch due to the pos management need, isk expenditure and skills required but if I did have to go that route what are we talking about?
Any advice is appreciated. I've got a sizeable chunk of cash I'm ready to lay down and really just want to build a little side-line infrastructure for myself, a 'hobby farm' as it were.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.10.25 22:08:00 -
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Those are two totally different, separate issues.
If you can't make it profitable while buying components with buy orders, you should just focus on getting the components manufactured yourself instead of inventing, and selling them to others.
The reverse is also true, if you can't make a profit from manufacturing components, you should not be manufacturing them, instead just buy from market and invent.
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Nathan Grey
Gallente
Black Lotus Heavy Industries
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.10.26 01:07:00 -
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The ship-building is pretty easy to get into. Train SS engineering and Mechanical Engineering, get copies, get datacores, add water and stir.
Skip the T2C production and advanced component construction. The latter takes a couple billion for one chain and several billions (and a lot of luck and work) for a ship. The scope of materials produced is sufficient for you and at least nine other manufacturers. The T2C production (which is seperate and involves blueprints) can throw a couple percent on top of your profit margins, but will add a moderate amount of construction time to the whole process, and as an inventor, you'll be looking at ways to push the ships out faster.
Go with invention if you want, but skip the starbases.
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Aykido
Gallente
Lobster of Babel
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Posted - 2007.10.26 02:56:00 -
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At the moment all T2 frigs invent at a loss of about 5-10mil per run depending on type. EW-frigs will have to start from 15-20mil in the long run if decryptor and datacore prices stay constant.
If there were no T2 BPOs that is the minimum price for any T2 frigate, 15-20mil. The cheapest ones are around 10mil to make (invent and construct) assuming no BPO costs for T1 frigates and T2 components as well as near perfect ME.
You can not make any money on frigate invention. You may have fun though if you fuel it with your own minerals and datacores and decryptors (which is skill intensive and requires quite a bit of effort). You will make more money selling this stuff as raw material rather than invent frigates.
Selling PERFECT PRINTS of all seeded T1 BPO: modules, rigs, drones, ammo and ships (2 ships missing), and most capital modules too! Also any INVENTED T2 BPC and max run invention prints in bulk! |
Nhi'Sidaris
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Posted - 2007.10.26 20:50:00 -
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Well that's depressing news...
How does one get into invention then if it's so inaccessible?
Also, if t2 frigates are such a loss to build then how does the market get seeded with them? Is this seeded by the GMs?
Ugh.
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Aykido
Gallente
Lobster of Babel
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Posted - 2007.10.26 21:48:00 -
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T2 BPOs provide enough supply it seems or the price would go up
Selling PERFECT PRINTS of all seeded T1 BPO: modules, rigs, drones, ammo and ships (2 ships missing), and most capital modules too! Also any INVENTED T2 BPC and max run invention prints in bulk! |
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