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Ans Blix
Amarr
Elite Storm Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:08:00 -
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After the recent exploit uncovered by CCP with players achieving Mining Lvl 6, it got me thinkingà
What if CCP added a lvl 6 to major skills but instead of the skill being train over a time period, it would require the player to grind to that level.
For example Mining Lvl 5 to 6 would require you to mine Arkonor (supposedly the rarest form of ore) for a period of time WHILE having the skill on training (though you get no time bonus for having it set, but its still a requirment). Instead of exp being gained over time its gained over the amount of ore you obtain.
I know this is ringing some bells to World of Warcraft players, and really, thatÆs where the fundamental idea comes from but the lvl 6 in skills could add a interesting twist to how we train our characters IMHO, it would give players a new incentive to use there skills to build on what they have rather than just sit back and wait (lvl 6, what would that beà +90 odd days?)
The same would apply for other such skills, ie Gunnery to lvl 6 would require you to score a quota of ôYour ôBig gunzö strikes Perfectlyö while having the skill set as training before you gain the lvl
Any opinions?
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:10:00 -
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WoW is computer AIDS.
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Dei
Amarr
Khanid Aerospace Group
Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:10:00 -
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The main problem that a lot of people would argue is that you would get quite a lot of people shooting their own POS in a frigate while they go to sleep/work, then come back with Gunnery VI.
I don't think many people would like that. 
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SirKnyghtMare
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:11:00 -
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Grinding is bad.
That is all.
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Adaris
D-L
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:11:00 -
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omg,... did he mention that game that shall not be named? 
*******
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:13:00 -
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Bad idea.
Allowing skills to be trained to level 6, regardless of how, would force CCP to re-balance a large number of modules and ships. In addition, there are hundreds of skills that one cannot "grind" (capacitor skills, advanced gunnery skills).
I'm also generally opposed to the idea that grinding should be needed for skills in any capacity.
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Sharupak
Minmatar
Knights Of the Black Sun
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: SoftRevolution
WoW is computer AIDS.
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First Stotherd
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:19:00 -
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For every bad idea God kills a puppy. For every bad idea which could make Eve more like Wow, God kills a species. And for very one of those that gets implemented God destroys moons...
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: SoftRevolution
WoW is computer AIDS.
Come on now, AIDS isn't THAT bad.
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Ghaelsto Kakram
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:22:00 -
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LOL, n00b.
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Sixtina KL
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:26:00 -
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GRINDAN GAEMS!
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Hanno Mir
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
Originally by: SoftRevolution
WoW is computer AIDS.
Come on now, AIDS isn't THAT bad.
Tell that to my sister... I don't have a sister but if I did I'd ask you to tell that to her
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:29:00 -
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All the wow bashers, don't make me take out my "grownup stick"(yes i know how it sounds! )
Behave durnit.
Anyway, some form of "grind"(really dislike the word, just a bashword for "work") would do good for EVE.
EVE as such, doesn't have any "hook" in it. I for one, sometimes find it a bad thing.
With a hook, like working your way up levels in other games, i play them to REACH that level. In EVE, this form is only in acquiring ISK.
PErhaps some form of specialization skills, a different skill tree, faction modules, or any other LP store like feature...i don't find it to be a "breaking" feature if there's other forms in EVE to make other people spend time.
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Maltitol
Gallente
Tides of Silence
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Bad idea.
Allowing skills to be trained to level 6, regardless of how, would force CCP to re-balance a large number of modules and ships. In addition, there are hundreds of skills that one cannot "grind" (capacitor skills, advanced gunnery skills).
I'm also generally opposed to the idea that grinding should be needed for skills in any capacity.
Sadly, i have to agree with Tarminic.. he still needs to be nerfed though
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Well boohoo.
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First Stotherd
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:40:00 -
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i'd like to point out that AIDS is in fact worse than WOW. However, recent studies have shown Wow has been know to be compared to the Stupid. The Stupid can be caused by Wow, and one of the symptoms of the Stupid is actually enjoying Wow.
Using statistical figures you can work out the proportional of people afflicted with the Stupid compared to those not afflicted. Simply compare the number of people who play Eve, or any other intelligent, thinking, non-grinding game with the number who play Wow. This leads to the worrying results, of somewhere around 50:1, suggesting only 2% of the world is unaffected by the epidemic. However with a constant advertising campaign, and practicing 'safe gaming' those of us left not suffering from The Stupid should be able to avoid being afflicted.
Remember, those infected will be contagious in large numbers, and limit your interaction with the stupid to as short a time as possible. Always report all suspected sufferers to your local education authority, and stay calm.
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:42:00 -
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You can already get your skills to level six.. Just buy one of those 5% bonus hardwiring implants..
Originally by: David Hackworth
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:53:00 -
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Mining level 6? WTF?!
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.25 19:56:00 -
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It is for specialized miners, firefoxx80.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2007.10.25 20:06:00 -
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I'll say it again, since in this day and age on the forums, you need to
Some form of specialisation or more of a "grind"-skills would be a good thing.
They would take nothing away, would attract more of a timesink(means more people online), would attract more different crowds, would sooth more playstyles and many MANY more lovely things 
Level 6 would be too complicated to balance etc, but added skills would always be obtainable by all, so as such, would be ok.
I for one had an idea of "training the crew".
This would ofcourse require a crewslot in ships, but in any case:
Checklist of things YOU need to do to gain more experience to your crew. Like a training list.
Anyway, just a quick example how some form of "grindwork" would do EVE good.
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Sleepkevert
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.25 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: SirKnyghtMare
Grinding is bad.
That is all.
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Snake Doctor
MacroIntel
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Posted - 2007.10.25 20:25:00 -
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AFAIK, the level 6 thing was a display issue, not a statistical issue.
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.25 21:07:00 -
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I agree with the guy who said "implant = level 6". Still need to grind (in this case ISK/LP) to get it.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.10.25 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Acoco Osiris
I agree with the guy who said "implant = level 6". Still need to grind (in this case ISK/LP) to get it.
Actually, implant > L6.
L5 is *1.25, L6 would be *1.3. With a 5% implant and L5 you get *1.25*1.05 = *1.3125 (so +1.25% extra)
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Synapse Archae
Amarr
Solarflare Heavy Industries
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.10.25 22:46:00 -
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Grind is the worst idea ever.
That is all.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2007.10.25 22:53:00 -
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Nay, nay. Dear god, one thousand times nay.
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Ans Blix
Amarr
Elite Storm Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.25 23:12:00 -
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i actually don't see how this is getting so negitive reviews... its not like you have a lvl 6 at the moment lol
for those who say lvl6 = implants, well how about lvl 7?
THis idea only means people will actually have to work for there extra level of skill and not just go to work/sleep/play with yourself (well i guess you could do that while mining...)
And this skill can be used in a number of ways, not just gunnery and mining, think of Social for example, do a load of missions while this skill is on and eventually get a lvl 6 in Social or what is used for agent standings (you might be able to tell i'm not a big missions guy), the same with missiles (longer, faster, harder use your imagination), drones and navigation etc etc etc etc
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2007.10.25 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ans Blix
THis idea only means people will actually have to work for there extra level of skill and not just go to work/sleep/play with yourself (well i guess you could do that while mining...)
You can't grind for skill training in Eve. That puts (at least in that one aspect) the people with lives on equal footing with those without. That's a good thing.
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Jacob Castillo
Caldari
Copperhead Inc.
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.25 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ans Blix
i actually don't see how this is getting so negitive reviews... its not like you have a lvl 6 at the moment lol
Because EVE was designed to remove the skill grind completely. I don't want, or need a level 6 on a skill.
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sableye
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.26 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Castillo
Originally by: Ans Blix
i actually don't see how this is getting so negitive reviews... its not like you have a lvl 6 at the moment lol
Because EVE was designed to remove the skill grind completely. I don't want, or need a level 6 on a skill.
well it wasn't initially, at first you could actual grind for extra skillpoints like what the op is asking for.
to the op its not a good idea asbeen pointed out people will just leave themselves doing stupid stuff till they grind to level 6
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Norjia Blacksteel
Gallente
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2007.10.26 00:42:00 -
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Edited by: Norjia Blacksteel on 26/10/2007 00:42:59
If I wanted to grind, I'd play one of those games that requires it. If they added skill grind to eve, I'd leave. Lack of skill-grind is one reason I've stayed in as long as I have.
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