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snake03	Posted - 2007.10.27 03:52:00 - [1] OK, what are our options when you just have to get by a gate? Sounds like a game mechanic that is restricting game play, needs looked into.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.27 04:14:00 - [2] well, you can MWD to the gate, turn around and MWD and try to get teh hell out, you can plead for mercy or ransom in local, or you can just kiss your ass goodbye... welcome to 0.0 Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Madrosynth Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.27 04:36:00 - [3] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny well, you can MWD to the gate, turn around and MWD and try to get teh hell out, you can plead for mercy or ransom in local, or you can just kiss your ass goodbye... welcome to 0.0 You can also come to the forums and post a cry. Run silent.
littlechaoz2	Posted - 2007.10.27 04:40:00 - [4] restricting game play? im sorry is it making u log off? i dont see a crash my game bubble, its ur choice to go through that area, thus its ur choice to die, i see no restrictions of game play, maybe u just need to turn down the fail :)
snake03	Posted - 2007.10.27 04:54:00 - [5] Edited by: snake03 on 27/10/2007 04:55:21 Think about it, how the hell do we defend ourselves? Every offense should have a decent counter. The map sucks, doesn't update enough. Only known counter to gate camps and big warp bubbles are scouts and second accounts. Me personally, I prefer to stay on one toon when I play. CCP fix this
Madrosynth Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.27 04:58:00 - [6] Originally by: snake03 Edited by: snake03 on 27/10/2007 04:55:21 Think about it, how the hell do we defend ourselves? Every offense should have a decent counter. The map sucks, doesn't update enough. Only known counter to gate camps and big warp bubbles are scouts and second accounts. Me personally, I prefer to stay on one toon when I play. CCP fix this back to WoW? Run silent.
Artemis Dragmire Deadspace Armada Lost Children of Eve	Posted - 2007.10.27 05:13:00 - [7] Originally by: snake03 Edited by: snake03 on 27/10/2007 04:55:21 Think about it, how the hell do we defend ourselves? Every offense should have a decent counter. The map sucks, doesn't update enough. Only known counter to gate camps and big warp bubbles are scouts and second accounts. Me personally, I prefer to stay on one toon when I play. CCP fix this As you said, scouts work well. Second option, don't go into 0.0 unless you know the locals well enough for them to let you through. I assume this was a 0.0 entrance gatecamp. Living in 0.0 requires a lot of patience and knowledge of the area and it's inhabitants. And yes, there is risk. If you don't like how 0.0 works, stay in empire space or lowsec. The game is an MMO, by yourself you are vulnerable. Deal with it, get some intel before leaping around into people's systems, maybe even get permission from the people that own those systems to let you through before you jump. Or, just get a friend to scout for you. It's really not that hard.
Dopple Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.10.27 05:34:00 - [8] This is not restricting your game play near as much as you yourself. Perhaps it is time to look at yourself and figure out why when faced with something that is just the slightest bit difficult you run screaming for help. I am going to guess you might have been close to a mothering figure growing up. It is time too cut those apron strings brother, reach down grab a handful and shout "I am a man, at least by avatar, and I will not be deterred." I toast your new found inner rage. Stick this in your ears.
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.10.27 06:20:00 - [9] Edited by: Wesley Baird on 27/10/2007 06:24:05 I get it, this is one of those joke posts by a bored pirate...right right!!?!?!!? Seriously, he cant be serious!
PCaBoo RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.27 06:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Wesley Baird Edited by: Wesley Baird on 27/10/2007 06:24:05 I get it, this is one of those joke posts by a bored pirate...right right!!?!?!!? Seriously, he cant be serious! Maybe he's a macro-ratter? ________________________________ I hate you, too.

K'reemy G'udness Gimme Gimme Gimme	Posted - 2007.10.27 19:28:00 - [11] Originally by: snake03 Edited by: snake03 on 27/10/2007 04:55:21 Think about it, how the hell do we defend ourselves? Every offense should have a decent counter. The map sucks, doesn't update enough. Only known counter to gate camps and big warp bubbles are scouts and second accounts. Me personally, I prefer to stay on one toon when I play. CCP fix this Your tears are the magic ingredient in Viagra? Sincerely, K'reemy ---
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2007.10.27 20:08:00 - [12] Originally by: K'reemy G'udness Originally by: snake03 Edited by: snake03 on 27/10/2007 04:55:21 Think about it, how the hell do we defend ourselves? Every offense should have a decent counter. The map sucks, doesn't update enough. Only known counter to gate camps and big warp bubbles are scouts and second accounts. Me personally, I prefer to stay on one toon when I play. CCP fix this Your tears are the magic ingredient in Viagra? I say! That's a bit stiff. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Pan Crastus Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.27 20:39:00 - [13] log off for faster travel EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
CHAOS100 Momentum. The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.10.27 20:39:00 - [14] CCP has already taken note, I smell a warp bubble nerf coming. --------------
Taint Caldari The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.10.27 20:40:00 - [15] stay away from 0.0 !
Kell Braugh Caldari letter of marque Plunder-Bears	Posted - 2007.10.27 21:32:00 - [16] Seriously, with 0.0 you just got to think "risk = reward". I personally get caught in bubbled camps all the time, never once *****ed about it. evil prevails when good men do nothing.
Elmae	Posted - 2007.10.27 21:44:00 - [17] I'm very new to Eve but it would seem players who can't pvp properly camp gates to get their fix of kill mails? meh let them have their "fun".
Hilly22222 Tarnak inc.	Posted - 2007.10.27 21:47:00 - [18] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny welcome to 0.0 thats exactly what i first thought
Warone Minmatar Momentum. The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.10.27 21:53:00 - [19] Everytime a gate fires.. an angel gets his wings! I guess u are an angel?
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.27 23:57:00 - [20] Every time a 0.0 gate fires, everyone watches their overview Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!

Taint Caldari The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.10.28 01:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Elmae I'm very new to Eve but it would seem players who can't pvp properly camp gates to get their fix of kill mails? meh let them have their "fun". yep thats absolutely the only reason, you sir are so gonna win eve.
Sneaky Magee	Posted - 2007.10.28 07:36:00 - [22] Portal camping in ANY game is just ***, PERIOD. And no,Im still to newb to have been anywhere I could get gate camped.
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2007.10.28 07:43:00 - [23] Cant handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen comes to mind. Nothing is broken.. it works as intended. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
Elmae	Posted - 2007.10.28 08:22:00 - [24] Originally by: Taint Originally by: Elmae I'm very new to Eve but it would seem players who can't pvp properly camp gates to get their fix of kill mails? meh let them have their "fun". yep thats absolutely the only reason, you sir are so gonna win eve. First thing I'm a miss not a Sir (ask your mummy to tell you the difference). You misunderstand me, I'm all for gate camps, keeps all the lamers in one place.
Wind Ictiva Delta Kappa Gamma	Posted - 2007.10.28 10:12:00 - [25] Originally by: Elmae Originally by: Taint Originally by: Elmae I'm very new to Eve but it would seem players who can't pvp properly camp gates to get their fix of kill mails? meh let them have their "fun". yep thats absolutely the only reason, you sir are so gonna win eve. First thing I'm a miss not a Sir (ask your mummy to tell you the difference). You misunderstand me, I'm all for gate camps, keeps all the lamers in one place. he couldnt tell you were a female from your post?! Wow, what a nub! seriously though. C&P is the forum where the "lamers" you talk about hang out. get out before the flames start, and dont look back if you cant bear to see grown men cry Originally by: Admiral Love Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty.
FullBoat Center For High Times	Posted - 2007.10.28 10:36:00 - [26] Yeah, I've gotten hit by 1 or 2. I normally stay in Empire/low sec. The first time was my first try into 0.0 space. Got in fine, but got hit by the bubble on the way out. Woke up in station. Next time, I ran out there to get a BPO. Got out thru a camp no problem. Was in a covert-ops ship. Warped in cloaked, and made it to the gate without anything getting too near me. I may not like camps, but I'm not going to cry about them. I know that they are a part of the game. And, I know I take that risk either going in, or coming out. Just make sure your cloan is up to date.
MEEATYOU Gallente Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.10.28 11:32:00 - [27] Originally by: snake03 OK, what are our options when you just have to get by a gate? Sounds like a game mechanic that is restricting game play, needs looked into. Wow, umm yeah. Warp bubbles in 0.0? Is this a new concept? 0.0 = CONCORD wont save your pretty boy/girl ass. Welcome to EVE. Welcome to 0.0
Gryffindor Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.28 11:54:00 - [28] LOL, i remember once on a contract we were told to bubble up a gate and let nobody except our employer use the system for x amount of time, one new guy jumped through 7 times in his noob ship and just continued to get podded, he even didnt have time to take his little gift of trit from his cargo hold was thinking it may have been they guy posting but it wasnt, hehe :P
Niffetin Gallente CONsordium Infinate	Posted - 2007.10.28 12:18:00 - [29] Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: Wesley Baird Edited by: Wesley Baird on 27/10/2007 06:24:05 I get it, this is one of those joke posts by a bored pirate...right right!!?!?!!? Seriously, he cant be serious! Maybe he's a macro-ratter? What he said! WTS: Armageddon / Void L / Mobile Large Warp Disruptor
Shandling Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.28 12:29:00 - [30] Originally by: snake03 OK, what are our options when you just have to get by a gate? Sounds like a game mechanic that is restricting game play, needs looked into. In your situation, think of it like this... 0.0 = going to the mall without your mom. You just wouldn't do it.

Vanessa Vale	Posted - 2007.10.28 14:18:00 - [31] - To attempt to escape a gate camp you need a mwd and a fast ship - OMG nanos are * you * ***er!!. - Errr.. - You should bring a scout with you, this is a MMORPG. - Blobber! Blobber! 1v1 is dead!!! - Uhh.. - You can always try to pull a logoffski with a lot of luck - Metagamer! Not honorable! Use a second account like the rest of us!! - Don't you see the ...? Nevermind.
Exid Rihal Gallente The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.06 01:13:00 - [32] Originally by: snake03 Edited by: snake03 on 27/10/2007 04:55:21 Think about it, how the hell do we defend ourselves? Every offense should have a decent counter. The map sucks, doesn't update enough. Only known counter to gate camps and big warp bubbles are scouts and second accounts. Me personally, I prefer to stay on one toon when I play. CCP fix this Get your character to 10m SP train for carrier and ceptor. Ceptor skills @ V for running gatecamps, and not getting pwned by other noob ceptors. If you cant get it at V immediately, find the fastest ceptor you can fly, and fit MWD / stabs. Your speed will get you through any bubble, stabs will make sure that the tackler(s) that have the speed to catch you, wont tackle ya. Carrier for once you make it back to empire so you can jump stuff in and out and don't have to worry bout goin down to empire as you can just jump to it. For skill upgrades I just use jumpclones. Jump into empire, train skill, and 24 hrs later jump back. shrug my 2isk on the topic. =Exid Rihal= The Taining Corp Wants YOU
Donna Maria Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.06 01:56:00 - [33] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Every time a 0.0 gate fires, everyone watches their overview Im the girl momma warned you about..
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.11.06 02:17:00 - [34] Originally by: snake03 Edited by: snake03 on 27/10/2007 04:55:21 Think about it, how the hell do we defend ourselves? Every offense should have a decent counter. The map sucks, doesn't update enough. Only known counter to gate camps and big warp bubbles are scouts and second accounts. Me personally, I prefer to stay on one toon when I play. CCP fix this Get friends...bust the camp...shout yarrr in local, and say gf EVE is not a solo game
Bardi MecAuldnis Amarr Heretic Army	Posted - 2007.11.06 04:33:00 - [35] Originally by: Shandling 0.0 = going to the mall without your mom. You just wouldn't do it. This made me laugh way more than it should have... --- Amarr/Caldari, and proud of it. Hey hey let's go kenka suru! Taisetsuna mono protect my balls! Boku ga warui so lets fighting! LET'S FIGHTING LOVE!!!
Antraxx Caldari Deviance Inc DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.11.06 09:04:00 - [36] Originally by: Jago Kain Originally by: K'reemy G'udness Originally by: snake03 Edited by: snake03 on 27/10/2007 04:55:21 Think about it, how the hell do we defend ourselves? Every offense should have a decent counter. The map sucks, doesn't update enough. Only known counter to gate camps and big warp bubbles are scouts and second accounts. Me personally, I prefer to stay on one toon when I play. CCP fix this Your tears are the magic ingredient in Viagra? I say! That's a bit stiff. Look long and hard at what your sayin there bro'! ---------- ---------- Deviance Inc. is recruiting!-Eve mail me :) Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
Strife Phoenix Acerbus Vindictum Nex Super Vos	Posted - 2007.11.06 10:26:00 - [37] Just to make this easily understandable to about any 11year old and upwards. Gatecaming is like Camping with an AWP in Counter-Strike. It might be considered lame by some people that lack skills to take them out or avoid them but it is still a part of the game. You got two options, Deal with it or get lost. Acerbus-Vindictum - Revelare Pecunia!
Zaraqwan	Posted - 2007.11.06 10:45:00 - [38] Has anyone of you ever heard of having a constructive discussion a bit more mature than than what the average 14 year old would have? You keep attacking him for having an opinion, thats very grown up. And you tell him to go back to WoW? Wow.. Thats brave ;) I can really see how you people replying like this enjoy camping gates :)
Mereena Minmatar LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.11.06 12:20:00 - [39] OK, this is what I think about it. If you run any kind of 0.0 operation you want to be as save as possible. A gate bubble is the only way to keep your space clear. Once the target (in this case you) is away from the gate and has a cloak fitted, it is invulnerable and yet cause a thread to the people in that system, as you have no clue what ship they are in or what the fitting is like. Hell it could have been a t1 frig used as a scout, but maybe it was a t1 frig with a cyno field generator. I hope you see the problem. And the best way to prevent jumping into a gate camps with warp disruptor bubbles is to stop jumping a 0.0 gate. Assume that there is a dictor or mobile bubble behind every gate. And as several others before me told you, 0.0 space is where the "big boys" play. You fly around, hope for some fights. Sometimes you outsmart the enemy, sometimes the enemy outsmarts you. It is about playing together as a team, intel, coordination. That is why it is so much fun.
Presidente Gallente Pirate Hunters Inc Exa Nation	Posted - 2007.11.06 12:26:00 - [40] Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 06/11/2007 12:28:13 Originally by: snake03 OK, what are our options when you just have to get by a gate? Sounds like a game mechanic that is restricting game play, needs looked into. First: 0.0 is totally unforgiven. Second: a warp bubble is what it is and the game mechanics offer some options. MWD to gate and pray. My last experience was that it's probably better to wait the 30 seconds and MWD after auto-uncloak. I MWDed fast enough but there was a +session change in progress½ message. They killed my ship and my pod was also stucked by that message. Suked! Petitioned it but CCP saw no problem in their logs. Suked! Fit a cloak, check the camp situation, figure out the best gap between the ships, unlcoak and press immediately cloak ... and pray that they missed your short appearing ship position. Depending on your ship it's ofc a pain with chewing fists. My speed Rifter can sneak out with 153m/s. A BC/BS is super-slow and the chance to sneak out aligned and warp off is low. Jumping in 0.0 means: get always prepared for a hopeless fight and die with honor. As you see it's not really restricted and bubbles are just illustrating how bad 0.0 can be. Pres G +++ JOIN PAP +++

Lord Bleu MisFunk Inc. Frontline.	Posted - 2007.11.06 13:46:00 - [41] I love this game and the warp bubbles! Even when I switch to my carebear (no combat skills) merchant/mining alt, I love the fact that player mechanics make my life difficult and force me to think about how I am going to achieve a certain goal. Only the other night I snuck my freighter into low sec to deliver some much needed fuel for my carrier. My heart was pounding and I'd have probably smashed up my keyboard, consumed by rage had I not made it through, but I did, and that's why I love the game so much. All the risks are their to make this game exciting and althought I planned my trip well, the fact that I could lose my freighter at any point made the fact I pulled it off even more rewarding. If I could trundle down to 0.0 in a freigher without risk, there would be no point. That said I also subscribe to the player choice model and think there should be risk free zones within the game but the rewards should be much greater in high risk areas. To the OP, if there's a bubble blocking a gate you need to get through, either accept you aint going to get through or enjoy the game of trying to time your attempt. MAke some friends and attempt to take the campers down, or simply get some intel on who is camping and see if they are prepared to let you pass for a price. It's all part of the game. And finally, remember, at one point warp bubbles could be used in low sec but now they are restricted to 0.0.
Dzark Biznatch	Posted - 2007.11.06 15:12:00 - [42] Just a thought, but maybe CCP should further limit Bubbles to only allow use in a system which your alliance owns. This way they would be still be useful to any Alliance wanting to protect a hard fought system. but would be useless to Lame ****ed Pirate's that need 10 friends and a warp bubble and an unsuspecting Noob to get a Kill. Also it confuses me why anybody would enjoy sitting by a gate for hours on end popping ships. Surely its much more fun and rewarding to win a fight you have a chance of losing. Thats just my opinion. On the other hand, make some friends and start targetting Gate camps, kinda easy too the BIG red systems showing lots of ship destruction generally have a camp, take some friends clear the camp and look for the next 1, probably a good earner too as most of these lame campers will have nice bounties due to never attempting a fight they'll lose and annoying countless others. but not all campers are Lame if its for protection it is understandable.
Saint Luka The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.06 15:22:00 - [43] I've evaded hundreds of heavily blobbed bubble/dictor camps, it's calling having a clue. Second method: Actually get people to go and shoot then gasp -
Keden Minmatar Apache Corp Insurgency	Posted - 2007.11.06 15:35:00 - [44] Originally by: Dopple This is not restricting your game play near as much as you yourself. Perhaps it is time to look at yourself and figure out why when faced with something that is just the slightest bit difficult you run screaming for help. I am going to guess you might have been close to a mothering figure growing up. It is time too cut those apron strings brother, reach down grab a handful and shout "I am a man, at least by avatar, and I will not be deterred." QFE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I toast your new found inner rage.
Epsilon Three	Posted - 2007.11.06 17:44:00 - [45] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar EVE is not a solo game Depends how you play and what you want to achieve really. Eve is playable to different goals as solo, in duos, trios...
Primaru	Posted - 2007.11.06 18:57:00 - [46] I'm only about 1 month old in this game but i already love it (except for the fact when i get disconnected for now reason but that's another story) .... i remember going in a 0.0 system like 1 week after I started playing, I can tell you it was a very painfull experience :)) I jumped in the system and i was surrounded* by enemies ! There are probably lots of you who have at home a surround sound system, u know how the sound seems to come from every side, now imagine the sounds waves are enemy ships, that's the gate camp i ran into and i suppose that's how a gate camp usually is :) I stayed cloaked for about 15 seconds, hoping .... just hoping I might get out of it in one piece but when i saw how all those battleships / battlecruisers etc etc were orbiting the gate at max speed so they wouldnt give me a way to escape I said a little prayer, sent an email to my mom saying "your little boy is not coming home tonight", I closed my eyes and uncloaked .... i opened them about 2 seconds later ... I was dead :)) Dont know what weapons they had that targeted me so fast but anyway I was dumb to go in 0.0 with a Merlin frigate ... yeah, a Merlin .... however this experince was good for me and i gained more knowledge from this single incident than from a full week of playing. No mather how "bad" these camps are they are part of the game so my advice to the other rookies out there is "hate it, learn it, love it !" Hope i didnt bored u with my story but I had to spit it out
May Wynn	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:03:00 - [47] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Every time a 0.0 gate fires, everyone watches their overview Welcome to 0.0
William DeMeo Gallente the united	Posted - 2007.11.06 21:17:00 - [48] Originally by: snake03 Edited by: snake03 on 27/10/2007 04:55:21 Think about it, how the hell do we defend ourselves? Every offense should have a decent counter. The map sucks, doesn't update enough. Only known counter to gate camps and big warp bubbles are scouts and second accounts. Me personally, I prefer to stay on one toon when I play. CCP fix this You're playing a multiplayer game, get a scout. Or just scout it yourself in a frig or an inty, it's not that hard when you think about it. Yarr
Maysta PhaCade The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.06 21:58:00 - [49] For those who say gate camping is for lamers etc, and how can people have fun sitting on a gate for hours on end. In a lot of cases we're not doing it for fun. We're doing it to protect our space. Space we have fought hard for, and want to protect. Whether its protecting our miners/ratters, or even other every day people going about their business, perhaps doing logistics (pos refueling etc)... its like going to the army. We do it because its our space and we're protecting our people.
Poena Loveless	Posted - 2007.11.06 22:38:00 - [50] What about all the Navies/CONCORD camping almost every high sec gate in Empire?

Orar Ironfist Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2007.11.06 22:54:00 - [51] I swear to god if warp bubbles or dictors get nerfed to hell and back because of the op ill make it my job in eve to bubble every gate you go through. -=YYYAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!!=- Winning or Losing doesn't matter, as long as the fight itself was good.
Vodka Neat Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.11.07 00:00:00 - [52] okay get rid of warp bubbles but either... 1) Create a new feature to allow ships to follow others into warp and fire at them while in warp also gates will allow you to jump even if you agressed someone. 2) Disallow warp to zero and make instas an exploit. Why are you still reading? Its over. Continue to the next post.
Vodka Neat Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.11.07 00:06:00 - [53] Originally by: Zaraqwan blah blah you are not mature when speaking of internet spaceships blah blah Go back to WoW! Also it takes more than one person to set a gate camp so it should take more than one to bypass it. Lastly go back to WoW! Why are you still reading? Its over. Continue to the next post.
Siriyana Astrum Contract Services Group	Posted - 2007.11.07 12:48:00 - [54] ZOMG BUBBLE. Counters: 1- Wait until you decloak, then burn back for the gate under MWD because you should be using a scout anyway. Let them aggro, then jump through. Or you can go for the real counter to a bubble: 2- Bring a bigger gang and/or kill every last mother effer there. :) ----- CEO, Astrum Contract Services Group
Strife Phoenix Acerbus Vindictum Nex Super Vos	Posted - 2007.11.07 12:57:00 - [55] If all else fail.. Wait a few months.. spend the time getting the proper skills. Buy a black ops BS and jump over the camps. Problem solved. Just don't come back and whine when you get ganked at your destination instead.. Acerbus-Vindictum - Revelare Pecunia!
littlechaoz2	Posted - 2007.11.08 00:57:00 - [56] Originally by: Dzark Biznatch Just a thought, but maybe CCP should further limit Bubbles to only allow use in a system which your alliance owns. This way they would be still be useful to any Alliance wanting to protect a hard fought system. but would be useless to Lame ****ed Pirate's that need 10 friends and a warp bubble and an unsuspecting Noob to get a Kill. Also it confuses me why anybody would enjoy sitting by a gate for hours on end popping ships. Surely its much more fun and rewarding to win a fight you have a chance of losing. Thats just my opinion. On the other hand, make some friends and start targetting Gate camps, kinda easy too the BIG red systems showing lots of ship destruction generally have a camp, take some friends clear the camp and look for the next 1, probably a good earner too as most of these lame campers will have nice bounties due to never attempting a fight they'll lose and annoying countless others. but not all campers are Lame if its for protection it is understandable. yes great thinking [/sarcasm] i mean really, in which our alliance owns? u assume that 1. Every1 in 0.0 is in an alliance 2. that some 0.0 entrances u cant claim ownership (Stain, Syndicate, and other pirate faction areas) and we do it cuz thats what we FEEL like doing, or we were told too cuz summit else is going on, and we also do it for the chance (see risk vs reward) to get rich off some dumb fool who decided he'd be dumber and jump into 0.0 without a scout or escort into our camp, carrying billions of isk worth of stuff. so to summarize, some of 0.0 U CANT CLAIM its pirate faction owned, and were not allowed to profit off other peoples stupidity? P.S not every1 is in an alliance that owns the area (see greifing the enemy) how can i disrupt some1s 0.0 economy if i cant drop a bubble on the gate cuz i dont own the system, say im goons fighting BoB, and im in delve, how the hell can i stop ne1 if i cant setup bubble camps to stop them? duh, thus u are teh fail at eve, and ill take ur stuff.
Nameless Warrior	Posted - 2007.11.08 02:20:00 - [57] Kell Braugh Caldari letter of marque Plunder-Bears Posted - 2007.10.27 21:32:00 - [16] - Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Seriously, with 0.0 you just got to think "risk = reward". I personally get caught in bubbled camps all the time, never once ***ed about it. evil prevails when good men do nothing. What they should say is "Evil Prevails"


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