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Lester Mako
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Posted - 2004.02.26 20:46:00 -
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.... You can make jack bananas in this game. Wheres the GD Plagio? When was the last time you saw a Omber roid? How are we supposed to make and sell stuff without Pyerite? Hello? How? Huh?
How's a *****h posed to feed deir family?
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Jebidus Skari
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Posted - 2004.02.26 20:50:00 -
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You're taking the pi$$ right?
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Phoenixgurl
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Posted - 2004.02.26 20:53:00 -
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plagio is pretty common. Omber, yah, it got nerfed, go explore a bit an you'll see that some sectors have more than plenty of it. Pyerite? Are you joking? You get pyerite from almost every roid!
But your kernite/omber roid point is good, we don't see much :( |
Lester Mako
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Posted - 2004.02.26 20:57:00 -
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uhmmm, no you don't. You get very small amounts from Jaspet, Omber, and Pyro. You get some from Scordite. But Plagio has been the prized roid for Pyer because it yields the most. Where we work in Fountain there is no Omber and little Plagio. Aridia is now plagio void. So to mine plagio I have to travel across the entire map?
Bullsheeep
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.02.26 21:06:00 -
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Why not just buy it? Mine all the minerals in your neck of the woods and then put a nice fat buy order for py.
I think CCPs idea was NOT to have everyone do everything for themselves but rather interact with each other.
I doubt your gonna get much sympathy because you can't find py where your at.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.02.26 21:09:00 -
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If you manufacture anything at all you'll find out that the first thing you run out of is pyerite, always.
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Finraer
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Posted - 2004.02.26 21:11:00 -
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You are joking right? There's plag and pyr in almost all systems a few jumps away from the noob start points - a friend and I have been mining the stuff happily for the last week to get the minerals to build his BS.
A suggestion - why not wander out a bit and look for the stuff? You will find it and for plag and pyr you are not going to have to go to a system below 0.5. For copious amounts of Omber on the other hand, you probably will - then again, no risk, no rewards right?
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Lester Mako
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Posted - 2004.02.26 21:11:00 -
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After Castor, Pyer is the first thing you run out of....crap.
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Lester Mako
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Posted - 2004.02.26 21:14:00 -
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and what area of EVE are you referring?
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Lansfear
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Posted - 2004.02.26 21:15:00 -
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Leave Empire space. You'll love what you see.
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Phoenixgurl
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Posted - 2004.02.26 21:15:00 -
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Loneteck, Amarr are those I know who have crapload of those.
Even Fade in 0.0 space.. |
Lester Mako
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Posted - 2004.02.26 21:17:00 -
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My point exactly....I would have to cross the map of EVE to mine plagio. So, how often do you gals fly 90 jumps to mine?
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.02.26 21:17:00 -
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Leave Empire space. You'll love what you see.
He's in Fountain. That's not empire space.
If Fountain and Aridia don't have plagio then pyerite needs to be imported 50 jumps...
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Lester Mako
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Posted - 2004.02.26 21:19:00 -
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Riddari, more than 50 because there's none to mine in southern civ space. The belts have been obliterated weeks ago.
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Phoenixgurl
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Posted - 2004.02.26 21:20:00 -
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Then change to another system.
Or put a buy order at 7 isk per pyro ore.
Look, you are mining mega and selling it 10k, you can surely buy some pyro a little bit more high price! |
Lester Mako
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Posted - 2004.02.26 21:22:00 -
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ok Yeah, then you will haul 7M pyer for me 54 jumps?
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Phoenixgurl
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Posted - 2004.02.26 21:23:00 -
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sure, pay the good price :) |
Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.02.26 21:30:00 -
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For the record I have no problem finding pyerite yielding rocks to mine but the fact remains, the first thing that runs dry is pyerite.
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Meau
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Posted - 2004.02.26 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: Meau on 26/02/2004 22:06:32
Some regions only seem to have pyroxeres and kernite, some only omber and plag as uncommon ore (some only bistot and crock, some only ark, and so on as rares).
That is the current ore distribution. You may whine about it, but claiming plag is absent from the game is far from reality.
Edit: for the record, the last time i saw omber roids was today, they were in packs of a dozen in the belts, and all between 120-135m radius (resulting in 8000-10000 units per rock if i remember right)
And i thought plag was priced for the mexallon, dont you get a lot of pyerite from scordite (more per m3 than with plag)?
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Karkoo
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Posted - 2004.02.26 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Karkoo on 26/02/2004 22:14:23
Even go bellow a 0.5 system you will find what your looking for.
Dont expect everything on your doorstep 
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.02.26 22:22:00 -
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Quote:
Even go bellow a 0.5 system you will find what your looking for.
Dont expect everything on your doorstep
Funny guy 
Fountain is 0.0
Aridia is mostly 0.1 < 0.7
Funny now? 
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Lurk
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Posted - 2004.02.26 22:54:00 -
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uhmmm, no you don't. You get very small amounts from Jaspet, Omber, and Pyro. You get some from Scordite. But Plagio has been the prized roid for Pyer because it yields the most. Where we work in Fountain there is no Omber and little Plagio. Aridia is now plagio void. So to mine plagio I have to travel across the entire map?
Bullsheeep
If you need Pyerite mine Scordite, you get more Pyerite per m¦ while mining Scordite than mining anything else.
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2004.02.26 23:58:00 -
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Finding scordite's difficult in some areas (I kid you not). Near my region, veld and plag are fairly common, though only the veld has anything like a decent size.
I only mine for my private manufacturing stock, with nothing over the size of an odd indy every now and then, and even then minerals are -tight-.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.02.27 00:47:00 -
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Still a wee bit off the mark here, I'm telling you pyerite is the first mineral to go building anything, I have industrials of all the other minerals and what 100 pyerite.
Get it!?
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Hasek
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Posted - 2004.02.27 04:05:00 -
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the most needed minreal for my corp is nox and zyd
we have even found megacyte bearing ore in range of our ops
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Kerosene
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Posted - 2004.02.27 08:42:00 -
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I don't get it. Why don't you mine barrelloads of nocx instead and sell it to buy pyro? 1 nocx = 64 pyerite roughly.
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Sara Kerrigan
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Posted - 2004.02.27 09:04:00 -
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According to the cargo holds of my victims, there's plenty of megacyte and zydrine in my area, yet I can't get much pyerite :( No plagioclase, and no scordite... not that I would ever do the mining myself, but I observe what roids are there.
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Kyt Kraiten
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Posted - 2004.02.27 10:19:00 -
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i've got truckloads of omber and plagioclase in .8 systems.
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Tricky Trixy
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Posted - 2004.02.27 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: Tricky Trixy on 27/02/2004 10:36:30
Well since castor there has only been omber and pyro in the system i am based at, and i am a manufacturer and yes pyre goes damn quick.
I produce cruisers and to produce a thorax i need aroun 130k of pyre but that means i only have to get 120k of scord which is easy as there is tons of it in the surrounding systems.
But with the new system you do have ot move around now. For instance i needed plag for the pyre so i move 17 jumps to a new system with me ship and indy and styed there for a week or so. Got loads of pyre, only down point is i had to haul it all back. Luckily i have a mark 5 indy, but if u dont what are ur corp mates doing, are there any hualers for hire, i have lent my services to people many times. So basically dont whine adapt and get over it, if you have to relocate do it, or setup buy orders for the pyre, mine another ore and sell that for the pyre, organise a mineral order with someone, there are loads of ways around it you just have to adapt i am afraid, cos CCP aint changing the distributions soon .
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Aelita
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Posted - 2004.02.27 12:10:00 -
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Heh guys why you won't see clear points? New distribution in roids is plain stupidity. While haul megacyte, zydrine and nocxium can be done in fast ships for these ores doing 30+ jumps trip is pretty doable. For production even of battle ships you don't need more cargo space than well-equipped frigate/cruiser have.
Distribute low-level roids for ores like tritanium, pyerite, mexalon and isogen is plain stupid. Haul enough ore over 10+ jumps is simply impossible. Single battleship level 1 need over 6 mil tritanium which is more than 3 fully equipped Iteron MK5 loads. Fully equipped Iteron for cargo crawl at speed under 140m/s. No one will take this full day job for hauling ores for single battleship.
When someone would pay right price for this kind of work then tritanium will cost 5 or more ISK and pyerite would cost you above 20 ISK. In that case level 1 battle ship will cost you roughly 200mil per build only in ores.
Fact is builders in 0.0 space far from empire are pretty screwed because they can't mine most common low ores in nearby systems and logistic for moving low ores over 10+ jumps in one-way trip is impossible.
Please don't argue with if you can't find ores then move on somewhere else. It's not solution for Alliance people, because in this case they will enter someone else territory and war could start but it will not solve logistic problem again.
CCP did plain mistake hoping in that people will start hauling ores from one region to another. It was stupid because they did nerf (kill) industrials in same moment. Who will haul ores even if his cargo is now twice? No one! Simply because ores take so much space and average producer need over 100mil trit/week and over 50mil pyerite/week.
I'd small test :) I'd put 200mil tritanium buy order on whole placid region for 1.10 ISK/tritanium. Thru week I have spread thru all stations only 23mil trit. It sound nice, but now nightmare does comes :) Logistic. My corpmates will spend over 50 hours hauling to get them all at one place. I'd try hire people to collect tritanium in one place by putting same buy order for just 2ISK/tritanium and guess what? No one would do it, but 2ISK/tritanium kill all my profit! At that price for tritanium I'm a making goods at zero profit, so thank you I see many of you really doesn't work with big production. I share same pain as guys from Stain, Fountain and other regions even I have production based in Empire space.
Simply low ores can't be hauled they need to be in place. High-level ores can be distributed over regions unbalanced but not low-level ores.
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