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Brujo Loco Amarr Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2007.10.27 21:23:00 - [1] So you can see their faces Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.27 21:46:00 - [2] That is unbelievably awesome --- Latest Video : FAT- Camp
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.10.27 21:53:00 - [3] They could probably keep those houses open year round and still catch these guys. They get put on the sex offender list andsent right back out to commit again. They outta be castratred down to the last one, after a while it'll make people think about actions like this. Unfortunatly the sex crimes line is pretty vague in some situations. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Kyanzes Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.10.27 22:00:00 - [4] 03:19 takes everything. Nah, these are sick people, though they should certainly receive some form of punishment. There has to be some reason to their behaviour aside from "simply being phedos".
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.27 22:32:00 - [5] Isn't that technically entrapment? --------------------------------------------------------------------
Kyanzes Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.10.27 23:19:00 - [6] Edited by: Kyanzes on 27/10/2007 23:20:37 Originally by: ReaperOfSly Isn't that technically entrapment? Debatable of course. I mean what if some of them would never have done anything like that if there wasn't a "willing child" to openly accept their approach. Actually I have no idea as to how a real child would talk to you in a situation when you would invite him to have sex, don't know how vulnerable they are. I would guess most of them would simply close the chat window but then again I can be wrong. Yes, I think some of these guys would have fled at some point while into the "act" because they would not have been able to go in with it. Ofc some of them would have done it anyway. Actually I feel sorry for some of these people. It has to be hard to have such desires in them for decades (some of them were quite old), without the chance to talk to someone about their problems. I mean let's assume you discover that you have such problems. Who do you talk to? How would you get help? Tough.
Galidir Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.27 23:40:00 - [7] I dont agree with this program, I bet alot of these guys they catch would never normally go ahead with this except for this time when they have some kid who is 100% asking for it. Like the guy said before most of the time its just entrapment.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.28 00:08:00 - [8] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 28/10/2007 00:09:31 Originally by: Galidir I dont agree with this program, I bet alot of these guys they catch would never normally go ahead with this except for this time when they have some kid who is 100% asking for it. Like the guy said before most of the time its just entrapment. Entrapment = Police coerce a suspect into doing something he wouldn't do without them. If those really were underage kids, those guys would've done their "thing" anyway... therefore it is not entrapment... read a book and don't try to use legal terms you think you know what the meaning is. And I think these people get off too easily... I'm collecting signatures to chemically (or surgically if it on the video ) castrate all these guys caught... so I'll be the first /signed Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.10.28 00:22:00 - [9] What they're doing is borderline illegal, since they're running a sting operation yet they're not law enforcement. They don't do it to catch criminals; they do it to get ratings. Of course the criminals should be dealt with, but their methods are notoriously questionable. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
Galidir Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.28 00:31:00 - [10] Ok maybe entrapment was the wrong choice of word but what i'm trying to say is the programme is giving them an offer these people cant refuse which is something that really wouldnt happen in real life i bet very few of these people would activly seek out sex instead i bet alot of them just get a kick out of sending sick messages to kids. Also pedos have been castrated in the past but they still want to harm children atleast so i've been told. (By my Socialogy teacher)
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.28 00:42:00 - [11] Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 28/10/2007 00:44:38 Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 28/10/2007 00:09:31 Originally by: Galidir I dont agree with this program, I bet alot of these guys they catch would never normally go ahead with this except for this time when they have some kid who is 100% asking for it. Like the guy said before most of the time its just entrapment. Entrapment = Police coerce a suspect into doing something he wouldn't do without them. If those really were underage kids, those guys would've done their "thing" anyway... therefore it is not entrapment... read a book and don't try to use legal terms you think you know what the meaning is. And I think these people get off too easily... I'm collecting signatures to chemically (or surgically if it on the video ) castrate all these guys caught... so I'll be the first /signed Those men would not have gone to that house looking for sex had they not been set up to do so. How does that not fall under the definition of entrapment? Edit: I'm not a lawyer, so if I'm way off the mark, do tell me. --------------------------------------------------------------------
K'vire Shema	Posted - 2007.10.28 01:01:00 - [12] They way I see it is that yes the TV company is doing this for ratings but the actual sting itself is being run by an organisation that is against these dirty bastard pedo's. The police are there also being provided with all the evidence i.e. video footage, internet chat logs etc. Now when a case goes to court the judge can see that an adult was talking to someopne he believed was underage. They are informed of the childs age and as an adult they should not talk about anything untoward with the child. They speak about sex and then are asked or ask if they can meet up which the adult does. As far as I'm concerned these people are meeting up to have sex with a minor, the fact that they arrive at the meet shows that they are a predator and a danger to the general public. I don't have children and I'm only 23, however if I had a child and a bloke came to meet up with my kid for sex he sure would hope to god that the police got him because I would kill the bastard. I think that these kind of operations should happen more often, I hope we have them over here in England soon. K'vire Shema Looking for a forum sig, mail me in-game with a link to your portfolio and I will be in touch.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.28 01:02:00 - [13] It's the same as any sting... they were invited and they came. We shall now turn to the holy pages of Wikipedia. "For the defense to be successful, the defendant must demonstrate that the police induced an otherwise unwilling person to commit a crime." The chatlog and then showing up with the intention to molest a child provides every bit of evidence the police need to arrest the suspect. Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Sir Heavy Dragonian Freelancers Academy	Posted - 2007.10.28 01:25:00 - [14] pwned and bbq-ed. The good thing about the US law they're put away for what? 20Years? The sad thing is you get unreal reports who are falsely accused, looks like a witch hunt sometimes That last one is a sad sad story.....
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.10.28 01:47:00 - [15] Originally by: Galider Ok maybe entrapment was the wrong choice of word but what i'm trying to say is the programme is giving them an offer these people cant refuse which is something that really wouldnt happen in real life i bet very few of these people would activly seek out sex instead i bet alot of them just get a kick out of sending sick messages to kids. Also pedos have been castrated in the past but they still want to harm children atleast so i've been told. (By my Socialogy teacher) This is more real than you think. These guys are all over Craigs list, Myspace, Yahoo, MSN, and anywhere else you can think of. They live in places by schools (until convicted then by law they aren't supposed to but that doesn't stop them all), by malls, and by parks. They have their own websites where they trade pictures, make videos, sometimes including their own children. Even if they didn't take the bait of this sting theres the chance that they do find some innocent girl or boy, for some of these people they may already have and may have done it multiple times. And this is the tip of the iceberg. We have children who are kidnapped and sometimes brutally murdered by people like this. There is in fact one such case right where I live where a convicted habitual sex offender killed 2 parents and a older brother to kidnap 5 year old Shasta and her 7 year old brother for sex. He later killed the brother but the police managed to catch him before any more harm came to Shasta but now she's without a family. It's more real than you can imagine. Originally by: Dark Shikari What they're doing is borderline illegal, since they're running a sting operation yet they're not law enforcement. They don't do it to catch criminals; they do it to get ratings. Of course the criminals should be dealt with, but their methods are notoriously questionable. This is true. There was an article about one of these stings, in fact it may be the texas case, where the judge threw out most of the cases because they didn't things by the book and the evidence wouldn't hold up in court. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
LVSOCOM Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.28 01:59:00 - [16] Edited by: LVSOCOM on 28/10/2007 02:00:36 To catch a nigerian scammer. The aliases are awesome! "Rich Dimoni"... "Rich Greenbach" Would be pretty hilarious if they used handles like this in the kiddie rapist sting.
Ademaro Imre Caldari Eye of God O X I D E	Posted - 2007.10.28 02:04:00 - [17] Originally by: Dark Shikari What they're doing is borderline illegal, since they're running a sting operation yet they're not law enforcement. They don't do it to catch criminals; they do it to get ratings. Of course the criminals should be dealt with, but their methods are notoriously questionable. There is law enforcement involved. However, the TV network screwed it all up each time they did the show. I don;t know the technical reasons, but the network did not involve district attorney's and showed their faces on TV, screwed up the actual "sting" and many other factors. Almost all were let go. One of the big things was that - after witnessing a crime sting or not, the criminal was interviewed (interrogated) by a TV host, without any miranda rights read to them and lots of other details. I don't know exactly the issues involved but they really f'ed up the stings. About 90% of the people basically walked. But ABC doesn;t care, they do this about every couple months for a ratings show and have police present to make people think they are serious.
Shalia Ripper Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.28 02:49:00 - [18] Not one of them was convicted in a court of law. It isn't justice, it is vigilantism. That said, I hope their cash and prizes rot and fall off.
K'vire Shema	Posted - 2007.10.28 02:56:00 - [19] I found this video of one of them getting caught out. I gotta say, some people say that these people are ill and need help, I agree to a small extent but this guy really needs help, he has obviously a sandwich short of a picknice and damn, we need to stop thinking about the children and more about the dog's
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.28 03:30:00 - [20] Originally by: LVSOCOM Edited by: LVSOCOM on 28/10/2007 02:00:36 To catch a nigerian scammer. The aliases are awesome! "Rich Dimoni"... "Rich Greenbach" Would be pretty hilarious if they used handles like this in the kiddie rapist sting. Ima Ruinurlife? --- Latest Video : FAT- Camp
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.10.28 03:59:00 - [21] Maybe they should be lying in wait with a 1.5 lead pipe instead of a camera? These people shouldn't be on TV, they should be in the hospital with multiple compound fractures.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.28 04:17:00 - [22] Hehe, there was 1 video of a vigilante doing that... he'd get them to come to his house where he'd jump out and start wailing on em. They wouldn't go to the police because he kept the chatlogs and the video of them showing up AND they get what they truly deserve Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.28 04:20:00 - [23] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Hehe, there was 1 video of a vigilante doing that... he'd get them to come to his house where he'd jump out and start wailing on em. They wouldn't go to the police because he kept the chatlogs and the video of them showing up AND they get what they truly deserve GET LINK! NOW! --- Latest Video : FAT- Camp
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.10.28 04:26:00 - [24] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Hehe, there was 1 video of a vigilante doing that... he'd get them to come to his house where he'd jump out and start wailing on em. They wouldn't go to the police because he kept the chatlogs and the video of them showing up AND they get what they truly deserve Right there. If that video is for real it needs to be dispributed so every person who even thinks of commiting this act might want to think of the possibility that he is about to meet one mean muther****** with a baseball bat. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.28 04:44:00 - [25] What I've always wondered: why the hell do they sit down and talk on camera? Is Chris Hansen only catching the truly sick ones that need help and are so desperate that they'll talk out their problems on national facking television? I've yet to see one of them that wasn't reduced to a blubbering mess. There's not a sociopath in the lot. Also, if these are "EEBIL, VIOLUNT PEDOFILES", why haven't any of them gone to the car, gotten their shotgun, and executed the entire film crew? Don't get me wrong, anyone who hurts a child in such a manner deserves punishment that would make Vlad the Impaler blanche. However, the problem is that the social stigma against anyone who even has pedo thoughts is so great that the only places some of these guys can go are groups of like-minded individuals, and the only people they can talk to are other pedos. Hell, you've got the wrong therapist and say the wrong thing, and doctor-patient privilege will quickly be replaced with handcuffs. Like drug addiction, we need a way to identify and treat the sick ones without social stigma, and a way to identify and destroy the dangerous ones. Until we get the sick ones on the society side of the us-v-them equation, they're not going to help us take down the dangerous ones, and they're our single greatest resource for going after said dangerous ones. Who thinks more like a pedo than a potential pedo?
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.10.28 04:56:00 - [26] Originally by: Amarria Black What I've always wondered: why the hell do they sit down and talk on camera? Is Chris Hansen only catching the truly sick ones that need help and are so desperate that they'll talk out their problems on national facking television? I've yet to see one of them that wasn't reduced to a blubbering mess. There's not a sociopath in the lot. Also, if these are "EEBIL, VIOLUNT PEDOFILES", why haven't any of them gone to the car, gotten their shotgun, and executed the entire film crew? Don't get me wrong, anyone who hurts a child in such a manner deserves punishment that would make Vlad the Impaler blanche. However, the problem is that the social stigma against anyone who even has pedo thoughts is so great that the only places some of these guys can go are groups of like-minded individuals, and the only people they can talk to are other pedos. Hell, you've got the wrong therapist and say the wrong thing, and doctor-patient privilege will quickly be replaced with handcuffs. Like drug addiction, we need a way to identify and treat the sick ones without social stigma, and a way to identify and destroy the dangerous ones. Until we get the sick ones on the society side of the us-v-them equation, they're not going to help us take down the dangerous ones, and they're our single greatest resource for going after said dangerous ones. Who thinks more like a pedo than a potential pedo? Sooooo, you want to let the ones who only molest children on the weekends go and focus on the 9-to-5, Sunday to Monday predators huh? Why not apply the same (flawed) logic to murderer's. Hey, the guy only tried to blow his head of with a shotgun. Its not a crime to fail at trying to kill someone right? Lets enlist these failed murderers in the hopes they can spot a real one. There are too many liberal ninnies running around society attempting to explain away everyones problems, passing the buck so to speak. People like those presented in the initial youtube clip need to be drug out behind a large mound of dirt, blood, beaten and sobbing like the cowards they are, and put out of their misery. For those who perpetrate especially horrible crimes, they should have their achielles tendens severed, their fun bits removed at the base, and left to bleed out in the middle of nowhere.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.28 05:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Sooooo, you want to let the ones who only molest children on the weekends go and focus on the 9-to-5, Sunday to Monday predators huh? Why not apply the same (flawed) logic to murderer's. Hey, the guy only tried to blow his head of with a shotgun. Its not a crime to fail at trying to kill someone right? Lets enlist these failed murderers in the hopes they can spot a real one. There are too many liberal ninnies running around society attempting to explain away everyones problems, passing the buck so to speak. People like those presented in the initial youtube clip need to be drug out behind a large mound of dirt, blood, beaten and sobbing like the cowards they are, and put out of their misery. For those who perpetrate especially horrible crimes, they should have their achielles tendens severed, their fun bits removed at the base, and left to bleed out in the middle of nowhere. No, I want the ones who think about it but don't act (and who would potentially make the leap to action when presented with a situation like this) to be treated the same as an alcoholic and to be put into a treatment program that does whatever is possible to minimize their proclivities. If they're absolutely untreatable, I want them encarcerated where they can't hurt anyone. And if they act, I want them dead, publicly and quickly. I can understand why you would want a brutal, violent, drawn-out end for this brand of scum. It does serve as a mild deterrant to other future offenders. However, a wise man once said, "When a dog is rabid, you don't torture it. You simply kill it." Same idea. They're dangerously sick, so you put them down.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.10.28 05:08:00 - [28] Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Derovius Vaden Sooooo, you want to let the ones who only molest children on the weekends go and focus on the 9-to-5, Sunday to Monday predators huh? Why not apply the same (flawed) logic to murderer's. Hey, the guy only tried to blow his head of with a shotgun. Its not a crime to fail at trying to kill someone right? Lets enlist these failed murderers in the hopes they can spot a real one. There are too many liberal ninnies running around society attempting to explain away everyones problems, passing the buck so to speak. People like those presented in the initial youtube clip need to be drug out behind a large mound of dirt, blood, beaten and sobbing like the cowards they are, and put out of their misery. For those who perpetrate especially horrible crimes, they should have their achielles tendens severed, their fun bits removed at the base, and left to bleed out in the middle of nowhere. No, I want the ones who think about it but don't act (and who would potentially make the leap to action when presented with a situation like this) to be treated the same as an alcoholic and to be put into a treatment program that does whatever is possible to minimize their proclivities. If they're absolutely untreatable, I want them encarcerated where they can't hurt anyone. And if they act, I want them dead, publicly and quickly. I can understand why you would want a brutal, violent, drawn-out end for this brand of scum. It does serve as a mild deterrant to other future offenders. However, a wise man once said, "When a dog is rabid, you don't torture it. You simply kill it." Same idea. They're dangerously sick, so you put them down. The difference being that the dog was infected, and changed from a normal dog to a rabid dog via this viral infection. Pedophiles are not diseased, nor are they addicts, they are sociopaths who need to be removed from society in the most efficient method possible; this of course being death. This also comes back to the notion of free will, and the fact that these people have pushed aside all common decency and morality to perpetrate what they know is wrong for their own sick gains. The dog does not know its rabid, it simply acts as such. You see the faces on those men when the host walked out from behind that wall and into the kitchen. Typical, "oh ****" face, as seen when someone is caught doing something they shouldn't be, and know it.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.10.28 05:37:00 - [29] Originally by: Derovius Vaden The difference being that the dog was infected, and changed from a normal dog to a rabid dog via this viral infection. Pedophiles are not diseased, nor are they addicts, they are sociopaths who need to be removed from society in the most efficient method possible; this of course being death. This also comes back to the notion of free will, and the fact that these people have pushed aside all common decency and morality to perpetrate what they know is wrong for their own sick gains. The dog does not know its rabid, it simply acts as such. You see the faces on those men when the host walked out from behind that wall and into the kitchen. Typical, "oh ***" face, as seen when someone is caught doing something they shouldn't be, and know it. Pedophiles are both diseased and addicts. They are compelled by an unnatural sexual urge to perform acts that no sane person would ever commit. Even when they don't want it, the urge is still there. Some of them, even chemical castration only takes away the tools, not the urges. They have conscious control of their actions, but so does a schizophrenic. It's a recognized mental illness, a compulsion that cannot be ignored. The "OH SNAP" people on Dateline? They're the borderline ones I'm talking about. They know it's wrong, clear down to their bones. Some are sublimating these urges the best they can when the perfect honeypot scenario lands right in their lap. They break under the pressure, and Chris Hansen profits. These people are sad, sick individuals and they need to be put somewhere where they can be treated. And most importantly: when they hurt a child, all bets are off.* The best they can hope for is a swift death.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.10.28 05:47:00 - [30] Originally by: Amarria Black Pedophiles are both diseased and addicts. They are compelled by an unnatural sexual urge to perform acts that no sane person would ever commit. Actually, pedophilia is neither a disease nor an addiction, nor does it imply any sort of sexual urge. Like thousands of other fetishes ranging from weird to shocking, it should be acceptable as long as they do not act on those urges. The problem is people who both have the fetish to begin with, but more importantly, are arrogant and insensitive enough to force them upon others, in this case, innocent children. I don't care what people get off to, as long as they don't cause others harm by doing so. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)

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