Pages: [1] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
John Cento
Caldari State War Academy
|
Posted - 2007.10.28 11:54:00 -
[1]
Well, here I am, flying Caldari ships, not only because it seems to get me isk the easy way but also because their ship's designs look like the warm embrace of cold, steely logic.
Anyways, I also fancy some other races ships: the curse for example and the vagabond. I also like the idea of the gallentean blasterboats. Hell, I want them all!
Since I don't want to spend the money on a second account (hey, I'm cheap!) I figure I should crosstrain like a madman. I'm looking for pros and cons here. So far I figure that as a Jack of All Trades I have the advantage of flexibility which kind of makes me immune to incoming nerfbats right, left and centre. But obviously I won't be as good at any thing I do as a master of one.
Also I figured that getting the various support skills up is really the long part, while the ship skills itself don't take that long (I'm not talking battleship to lvl5 here). Plus once I can fly, say Caldari interceptors, all I have to do is get the next frig skill to lvl5 which takes merely two weeks (might be even shorter) to fly any other ceptor I fancy.
So basically tell me if my reasoning is way off or not.
|
Shandling
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
|
Posted - 2007.10.28 12:21:00 -
[2]
I've always liked to stick to one race. (Namely, Minmatar)
Why? Well, there are nerfs, yes. But they come and go. Few reasons why I see this as an advantage:
- By sticking with the one race, I learn their ships inside and out. I know how to best use them in every situation. - When my race is 'on the top', well, I've been playing them forever. So, I'm not a 'flavor of the month' player, I already have my skills well established, and I'm used to my ships. - When my race is 'on bottom', I can often still edge out the flavor of the month players who have the latest craze because of the time I've spent in my race's ships. Also, others might think I'm an easy kill because I'm flying a 'sub-par' race, so it's a surprise. (Yes, I know, I've never played Amarr, but I have played Minmatar since beta - and we had our very low points)
I'd rather have 25mil SP specialized in one race rather than 25mil SP spread out over every race.
|
John Cento
Caldari State War Academy
|
Posted - 2007.10.28 12:34:00 -
[3]
Good point.
Well to clear things up a bit: I will stick to Caldari till I'm reasonable proficient with their ships. I definately won't crosstrain from the start cause I think that get's me nowhere. But once I can grind those lvl4s in a Raven I can't see any reason not to train for all the ships I fancy, one at a time ofc, I have the patience for that. It's an internet spaceship game after all.
|
Shandling
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2007.10.28 12:39:00 -
[4]
Originally by: John Cento Good point.
Well to clear things up a bit: I will stick to Caldari till I'm reasonable proficient with their ships. I definately won't crosstrain from the start cause I think that get's me nowhere. But once I can grind those lvl4s in a Raven I can't see any reason not to train for all the ships I fancy, one at a time ofc, I have the patience for that. It's an internet spaceship game after all.
:)
Well, one thing you have going for you with cross training is being Caldari. Hybrids are used on both Gallente and Caldari. You'll probably be training drones up as well for use in Caldari ships, and Gallente has drone ships. So it wouldn't be all that tough to be a Caldari/Gallente character without wasting many points with cross training. |
Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
|
Posted - 2007.10.28 19:55:00 -
[5]
Cross train, get a feel for how the other races fly and you'll understand them better in the process, I've always believed.
So many ships to fly well, so little time ...
Say no to knee-jerk additions and nerfs, mmkay? |
Sonorra Baki
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
|
Posted - 2007.10.28 23:26:00 -
[6]
Its an intersting question, and one that many old pilots have pondered through the years. As time goes by, many people reach a point where they have sunk so many points into ships they fly all the time, that they feel a need to see or try something else.
I am personally heavy specced in amarr, and chose 1 year ago to crosstrain to minmatar.
Some people would argue that I never reached the pro sweet spot with, amarr because I skipped.
I would argue that the more different ships I fly, the better feel I get for strengths and weaknesses of my ships of choice.
In the extreme rock paper scissor game, that is eve, there are so many comboes to take into account, in ship choice, fitting choice, and piloting tactics. Knowing the inside of more than one race is crucial when selecting and fitting your boat of choice.
Most people argue that knowledge is > than sp, so a cross train will definately provide you with alot of knowledge that a few extra points in some odd skill, could never compensate for.
You should however try and limit the cross training. Flying all races with BS 3 is not good. Try and focus on what you wanna achieve, and max out in those areas. I fly most of my ships with maxed out skills, besides Gunnery spec 5, which I simply cant defend training, since so many other skills would help me more.
I should add that I dont know any +3 year players that doesnt master more than one race. Its simply so much fun, switching from a hardcore armor tank, to a small nano hac the next day. Or sniping 2 minutes with tachs, and then being able to switch to a malestrom that can go for hours.
Its a fine line of fun, performance, knowledge, and time.
|
Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2007.10.28 23:31:00 -
[7]
Originally by: Sonorra Baki
I should add that I dont know any +3 year players that doesnt master more than one race. Its simply so much fun, switching from a hardcore armor tank, to a small nano hac the next day. Or sniping 2 minutes with tachs, and then being able to switch to a malestrom that can go for hours.
Its a fine line of fun, performance, knowledge, and time.
Acutally, I know a few people in PIE (quite a few actually) that are 4+ years old and a few that are 3+. As PIE they all only fly Amarr ships, which means to top end people are actually having a hard time finding new combat skills to train. -----------
|
Proxy 13
Minmatar Brutor tribe
|
Posted - 2007.10.29 02:17:00 -
[8]
Edited by: Proxy 13 on 29/10/2007 02:21:02 You could crosstrain Minmatar when your caldari skill skills are so called "high enough"
caldari is a effective race to train as a noob, as it's exellent PVE abilities. and minmatar is a typical "late" game race, they are pretty good with "good" skills. which you could make some use of the cadari shield, missile and ewar skills trained ealier....
Gallete and Amarr is great as with no crosstraining.
just my ideas the decision is still yours.
Originally by: Sakura Nihil
So many ships to fly well, so little time ...
my former CEO is a specialised Caldarian. he was born in sometime 2003. insta wtfbbppwn everything
|
djenghis jan
Amarr Debiloff's Vanguard
|
Posted - 2007.10.29 10:28:00 -
[9]
Cross training, that would be me. As a former amarr specialist i got tired of waiting for them to get a boost. Now i cross train and i must say i love it. Consider Battle cruisers. If you train all racial cruisers to lvl3 and Battle cruiser to lvl 5 you are capable of using the racial ship bonuses to the max. Then you need specialization on all medium weapons. So lots of gunnery, a few sp for missiles and drones. Fitting skills are universal so i assume you have them also.
That's if you are a low sp cross trainer.
Personally i recommend specializing in a race up to the point that you are effective in ratting/missions to gain money and then cross train for frigates and cruisers.
Gallente ships are best for solo-PVP, Caldari ships are best for missions and Minmatar/Amarr are effective for fleet/roaming gang.
I can tell you its very refreshing to use new ships. I have Command ship,logistics, hac and recon skills trained. So with a single lvl 5 skill i can fly 7 new t2 ships per skill.
|
Cipher7
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.10.29 11:21:00 -
[10]
Nah.
Pick one race and Max it.
If you like Caldari train Caldari.
If you like Amarr train Amarr.
Pick one and max it.
|
|
Bimjo
Caldari SKULLDOGS
|
Posted - 2007.10.29 13:44:00 -
[11]
Originally by: Cipher7
Nah.
Pick one race and Max it.
If you like Caldari train Caldari.
If you like Amarr train Amarr.
Pick one and max it.
caldari with amar skills here and loving it crosstrain once you hit 45 Mill SP but make sure the common skills, in spaceship command ,to all races are at 5 first (like BC, AC and destroyers)
|
John Cento
Caldari State War Academy
|
Posted - 2007.10.29 17:39:00 -
[12]
Thanks for all the opinions.
Here is my plan so far: stick with Caldari aka missile spamming & mission whoring for now. That combined with salvaging gives me a rather nice income.
But missiles feel stale and I definately will crosstrain to get the variety and flexibility to fly what I feel like flying. And since I feel like going out there to pvp I'll train for a Crow first. Looks like a rather nice boat that I can get into relatively quick and while it's still a bit expensive, it doesn't seem to much. Zooming around at high speed sounds just so nice, can't stand my slowboat aka caracal (I get the feeling that I never will get warm with battlecruisers or battleships, they have even more slowboating written all over them)
|
Shandling
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2007.10.29 21:46:00 -
[13]
If you like speed, check out Minmatar... :D I hated Caldari cause they were mostly slow and missiles are boring as all hell.
Steps for firing missles. #1: Am I in range? (Y/N) - If No, get closer. - If Yes, press fire. Done.
Guns take a bit more attention to use. Are they too close if you're using long range with crappy tracking? What's their transversal? etc.
I even have a nice 'Nanocane' setup (Hurricane, a BC) I use in PvP sometimes, and the thing goes nearly 2.5km/s with a reasonable alignment time, and can dish out the damage well.
|
Wayward Hooligan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 04:45:00 -
[14]
Edited by: Wayward Hooligan on 30/10/2007 04:47:39 If you do decide to crosstrain:
Get: HAC 4 Recon 4 Command Ship 4 BC 5 Medium Hybrid/Projectile/Laser 4 Heavy Missile/Heavy Assault Missile 4 Heavy Drones 4
Then everytime you get a racial cruiser to 5 you get access to 6 new ships.
In other words.
Train until you can t2 fit both Caldari command ships, recons and hacs.
This would mean t2 medium hyrbids of both varieties.
Then train Gal Cruiser 5 and you get a bunch of new t2 ships to use.
Then you can choose what to do next. If your drone skills are good Amarr is a nice next step.
Otherwise Minmatar.
The key to successful crosstraining is to train the skills that give you the most options the fastest.
Ie, skip racial cruiser 5's until you are able to get 6 ships out of it.
Or, skip bc5 until you are ready to get 8 ships out of it if you choose to just do hac's and recons first.
|
Goldis
Caldari Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 11:51:00 -
[15]
Well its all about fun. If you feel that theres more fun out there for you in flying multiple race's ships, go for it. you will even get to fly some nice faction ships that need 2 races trained to fly.
But remember: You may be able to fly all 4 races interceptors, for example, but most enemies you meet that have mastered one, will fly it faster than you, deal more damage, and have more hitpoints.
If this sounds like something you will not regret, hell, train all 4 of them :) ----
De Gustibus et Coloribus non disputandum est.
|
Caffeine Junkie
Caldari The Ministry Of Funny Walks
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 13:29:00 -
[16]
Edited by: Caffeine Junkie on 30/10/2007 13:29:42 Its pretty easy to pick a race and Caldari, namely because T2 missiles don't require you to train the lower levels before using the bigger ones like guns. i.e. you can use T2 Torps / Cruise without having trained T2 heavy missiles, unlike Large Blasters which require you to be able to use Meds and Smalls as well.
I fly Gallente (Astarte) + Caldari (Raven / Cerb / Capitals), there is a lot of cross-over as they can both use Hybrid guns, good drone skills are always handy. The only thing that makes it the odd one out is the shield tanking setup.
A raven is the easiest ship for 0.0 ratting too, irrespective of your PvP choice.
Owner of the Kyonoke Pit |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.11.01 01:37:00 -
[17]
I've been playing for close to 2 years. I can fly evey Gallente ship except for jump capable ships but can't even fly other races frigates.
The pros of this are that I know my races ships and weapons inside out. I know their standard fits, strengths and weaknesses and I'm about as good a Gallente pilot as you get for my skillpoints...
I am however very limited. I'm pretty rubbish against nano ships without a minnie recon helping me. I know less about other races ships since I don't fly them myself. I am also about to suck up one of the nastiest beatings with the nerfstick since Jake 'the Snake' Roberts got DDT'd by Hulk Hogan .....
I'm tempted to now diversify, but if I do I suspect I'll never reach Capital Ships and Supercaps in the games lifetime.
As 'Arr Graham' from Blind Date would say at the end of his quick recap... "The descision...is YOURS!!"
Good luck with your choice. Vyk.
- Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas |
|
|
|
Pages: [1] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |