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Curate Daemus
Darkhold Enterprises
Caeruleum Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.29 06:08:00 -
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reason i can tank as good or better then a drake in a myrm and the myrm can do so much more damage then the drake. the drake has a great tank please dont take that away from us passive tankers the drake dose the crappiest dammage of all the battlecruisers and taking away its only benefit tanking is stupid and foolish. if you think the drakes tank is better then it should be you better nerf the myrm big time it has as good of tank and dose a ton more dps. plus a proper tanked passive drake cannot run any items as it has almost no cap recharge time so in a pvp battle if its nosed to no cap it takes hours to reach a station.what im saying is in pvp the drake might be good tank but its damage and ability to use any modules that require energy are severly nerfed. if you want more info ccp contact me for the myrm build that is as good plus it has dps thanks.
btw dont tell me i have good dps i run t2 missles and no exactly what the dps is total crap compared to others hands down. now remember a passive drake is diffrent as far as dps then a non passive .
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Transcendant One
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Posted - 2007.10.29 06:19:00 -
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How is it getting nerfed? Or is this a preemptive whine  .
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Curate Daemus
Darkhold Enterprises
Caeruleum Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.29 06:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Transcendant One
How is it getting nerfed? Or is this a preemptive whine .
ok im hoping it dosent get this nerf but the shield power relays require more cpu i believe and the base shield recharge time has been increased
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Theodwyn
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Posted - 2007.10.29 06:27:00 -
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what are the values on sissi actually?
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Curate Daemus
Darkhold Enterprises
Caeruleum Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.29 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Theodwyn
what are the values on sissi actually?
i cant remember off hand but i believe it was around 140 seconds more to base sorry i cant get the test server going and play on the normal do to a bug right now
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Incantare
Caldari
Kernel of War
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.29 06:35:00 -
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Have you taken a long break off eve? Because passive tanks were nerfed a while ago, both the cpu usage of sprs and BC recharge time were increased.
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F90OEX
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Posted - 2007.10.29 06:42:00 -
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Curate Daemus
Darkhold Enterprises
Caeruleum Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.29 06:42:00 -
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no no im getting this as a current nerf in planning now but i cant say for sure as i have no hard facts just yet this is just a pree neff gripe to get the wheels spinning
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.10.29 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: Curate Daemus
no no im getting this as a current nerf in planning now but i cant say for sure as i have no hard facts just yet this is just a pree neff gripe to get the wheels spinning
So, basically, you're LITERALLY trolling, nothing more, noting less... right ?
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Shereza
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Posted - 2007.10.29 07:26:00 -
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Let's see...
Once the myrmidon can only toss out 5 heavies it'll do roughly 20% more DPS than the drake (presuming the use of ACs I think, my head hurts badly and I don't quite remember the build but it could've been T2 heavies medium ACs with barrage ammo) with 80% of the passive shield tank.
I don't know what the armor tank would be like though. Honestly, I'm not particularly worried about what the myrmidon can do now since it won't be able to do it around this time next month if everything goes according to plan.
Oh, and on the subject of PvP in a drake, if you go for maximum tank you deserve not to be able to do anything but shoot missiles and watch your 5 light drones get killed. I do it for missions but I wouldn't do it for PvP.
Of course for PvP I'd go more for a HAM harasser than anything but that's just me, and likely not to work so well without the range bonus the caracal and cerberus get.
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.29 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Curate Daemus
no no im getting this as a current nerf in planning now but i cant say for sure as i have no hard facts just yet this is just a pree neff gripe to get the wheels spinning
Translation:
Im wining about the rumors of the possibibility that someone is having a discussion about the chance of arranging a meeting to decide what to discuss about the drake and wether it should or shouldnt be nerfed in an underdetermined point in the future.
C.
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2007.10.29 09:47:00 -
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Are you comparing a drake which does the same damage up to 54~84 km (depending on skills) to a myrmidon with short range guns and heavy drones?
At least compare things that have range in common...
If you go long range, drones are just suicidal, at least heavy ones, there is no way they hurt much the target, they should be destroyed quite fast... And railguns or artyswon't make much damage.
I'ts not too good either to compare autocannons to HAMs, HAMs are still medium range weapons compared to ACs... Heavy drones are just good if you go kiss your opponent's ship, as are ACs, as are blasters...
It's hard to compare, and if a ship is better as tanking, it gets lower firepower. Anyway, you can reduce tank to increase firepower, removing the precious shield power relays to fit some ballistic control units should do it.
And we still can't target a missile launchers, so someone who knows what he is doing should have no problem against a myrmidon while the drake's firepower even i reduced will remain untouched.
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Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.29 09:49:00 -
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Myrmidon can only use 5 medium drones on sisi now due to bandwidth, and I believe it lost a turret too.
So no, it wont be outdpsing a drake.
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2007.10.29 09:55:00 -
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I forgot to recheck, but such change reduces the myrm's firepower to slightly more than the drake while its tank is lower. Sounds fine.
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Brixer
Dai Dai Hai
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Posted - 2007.10.29 10:16:00 -
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I've checked on Sisi and there is NO changes to the Drake there.
However, I do understand some are afraid the tank on Drake will get a nerf as that shield tank is just awsome! 
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Shereza
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Posted - 2007.10.29 16:12:00 -
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Myrmidon can only use 5 medium drones on sisi now due to bandwidth, and I believe it lost a turret too.
The myrmidon has not lost a turret. It's still 6/5/6 with 6 turret hardpoints.
Also, the myrmidon can use 2 heavy, 2 medium, and 1 light drone and get more DPS from them (at maximum skills for all drones involved) than 5 medium drones, or 3 heavy drones.
Base (no skills) DPS on T1 gallente drones in the following setups:
3x heavy - 58
5x medium - 48
2x heavy, 2x medium, 1x light - 64
All skills at max:
3x heavy - 216
5x medium - 180
2x heavy, 2x medium, 1x light - 239
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Ynos Fukse
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Posted - 2007.10.29 16:20:00 -
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I dont understand.. another nerf on passive shields?
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2007.10.29 16:29:00 -
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Nothing changed...
So, no nerf...
Anyway, the... Ishtar is a better passive shield tanker! And smaller signature is cool.
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Krissie
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.29 17:24:00 -
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Ah, but we live in stupid and foolish times, and we are being led by the nose by stupid fools (ccp devs/designers).
Trust me when I say, Its time to start looking for a better game now, this one is sinking fast...
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2007.10.29 17:24:00 -
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Can we have your stuff?
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Buyerr
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Posted - 2007.10.29 20:02:00 -
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but... but it is a caldari ship.. caldari are not supposed to be any useful.. nooooo.
you will need to nerf the tank of the caldari and make them totally one sided and boost the gallente drone users grid and cpu because their drone weapon system with full tank and dps as a bs is not quite overpowered enough :P
so sad it is :P
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Ynos Fukse
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Posted - 2007.10.29 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Eleana Tomelac
Can we have your stuff?
those ppl who are realy engry will terminate the chars actually. lol
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