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omiNATION Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:38:00 - [1] This isn't an Amarr rant, I don't even have Amarr skills yet, I was just curious why anyone flying other than Amarr ships would ever use lasers? I mean projectiles you might take, because the cap management may come in useful, drones are always extra damage or defense whether or not you get the bonus, even launchers might come in handy if they ever make better defender missiles that can shield damage for you and your gang members. Blasters are incredibly limited too, but since two races have bonuses towards it, I don't consider it as limiting as lasers. This wouldn't be so much an issue, except from what I've seen, lasers don't get any other bonus. They don't damage more, they don't really track better, as a weapons systems, what are it's advantages? EVE, basically an MMORPG with prison rules.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:39:00 - [2] No ammo use? And laservagabond is just awesome. Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
SsjGhost	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:40:00 - [3] long distance eye surgery
MR CAPSLOCK	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:40:00 - [4] LAZERS ARE GOOD FOR SHOOTING PEOPLES INTERNETZ SHIPS
Bistot Kid The First Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:42:00 - [5] They uses no hamunishan. -------------------- What? Me Worry? --------------------
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:42:00 - [6] laser are the highest DPS in the game, and thus they have the highest cap use. meaning that with ammars high cap only they can use them. and with the high powergrid they have. however the above is the idea behind them, I don't know if that is the case in game currently. so there is no reason beyond **** and giggles. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:43:00 - [7] they are ESPECIALLY good for running rogue drone missions I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:44:00 - [8] Originally by: Bistot Kid They uses no hamunishan. Hamunition is the best ammunition as it tastes of ham Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
Enjackah Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:46:00 - [9] Please do not use lasers. Amarr pilots do not want our secrets to get out to the peasants. -- The universe sleeps and slumbers, led abound by the sounds of peace and safety... when around the corner comes destruction.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:50:00 - [10] Originally by: SsjGhost long distance eye surgery Not only that, they are completely overpowered in the fzzzzzt department! Originally by: Big Al Well, if there was a law against stupidity, the server would certainly lag less.
Sevis	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:53:00 - [11] Originally by: MotherMoon Beam laser are the highest DPS of any long range weapon in the game, and thus they have the highest cap use. meaning that with ammars high cap only they can use them. and with the high powergrid they have. however the above is the idea behind them, I don't know if that is the case in game currently. so there is no reason beyond **** and giggles. Fixed. Also, ya, the design is almost working. The fitting requirements on Beams are sooo high that it screws up the ships that fit them just to online the guns. But, if the fitting requirements were normalized vs Amarr ships then they'd be a fairly well balanced weapon system. Pulse lasers have the least damage of any short range gun, but still have the highest cap use. They'd be pretty much ok if the cap use was reduced by about 20% on them.
duffmantt Dragonian Freelancers KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:55:00 - [12] Originally by: MR CAPSLOCK LAZERS ARE GOOD FOR SHOOTING PEOPLES INTERNETZ SHIPS I love you What we do in Eve, Echoes in eternity...
Mr Li The Graduates	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:57:00 - [13] Lasers to great damage on paper. But once you get into an in-game situation you'll see that damage isn't all that great. What is great is the optimal range on pulses (10km or so?)Blasters and ACs have teeny weeny optimals and as a result, a ship using blasters or AC are usually operating well into their falloff range (negatively affecting damage). (pulse) laser pros: better optimal range then other 'close' range turrets great tracking cons: Cap use, damage is lacking, Large Pulses are in good shape, but meds and smalls aren't so great beam lasers is another issues.
Sevis	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Mr Li Lasers to great damage on paper. But once you get into an in-game situation you'll see that damage isn't all that great. What is great is the optimal range on pulses (10km or so?)Blasters and ACs have teeny weeny optimals and as a result, a ship using blasters or AC are usually operating well into their falloff range (negatively affecting damage). (pulse) laser pros: better optimal range then other 'close' range turrets great tracking cons: Cap use, damage is lacking, Large Pulses are in good shape, but meds and smalls aren't so great beam lasers is another issues. Pulse lasers have the worst tracking of any short range weapon. But that's ok, the additional range more than makes up for it. Just clarifying. Now Beam lasers, on the other hand, have the best tracking of any long range weapon, but the worst optimal range and falloff.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:59:00 - [15] No ammo usage is a good reason... but really all guns/launchers are only good on ships with bonuses for that particular weapon type. ( in other words, weapons are as racial as the ships. )
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:59:00 - [16] Making cool noises. If you have high laser skills and a good dmg mod, you can do decent damage. There's no ammo use, so you can sustain a prolonged siege. I always take anode tachyons and some skadi's with me for a long, drawn out POS takedown. Join Macrointel!
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:01:00 - [17] Originally by: MotherMoon laser are the highest DPS in the game, and thus they have the highest cap use. Not really. As a load of Amarr ships have only their 50% cap bonus, which means it's "uses more cap than blasters, deals less damage than blasters". Overall, Beams are simply worse than anything else on the market. Megabeams are roughly in the same class as 425 rails when it comes to damage (about 10% more) but their range is simply "lol" which means that outside 50km rails start to outdamage them. Tachyons on the other hand have purely insane fittings so you need RCUs, and if you need RCUs then the whole idea of a damage bonus is lost as your opponent can replace that RCU with a Damage mod. For Pulses there is a certain advantage at battleship level. With scorch you can easily be effective at 50km, which means that in fleet fights it's easier to provide supporting fire as you have a greater choice of targets. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Terazuk Amarr Rogen's Heroes	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:13:00 - [18] Originally by: MotherMoon lasers have the lowest effective DPS in the game, and they have the highest cap use. fixed properly... Infinite ammo? not for long, check sisi
Karen Serasia	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:16:00 - [19] The bigger ones look cool when firing and can do that rainbow of death effect but beyond that not much really.
Taedrin Gallente Magellan Exploration and Survey Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:38:00 - [20] Why hasn't anybody mentioned that changing ammo for lasers is instant? Don't have to wait 10 seconds to change ammo types in lasers, which makes switching from radio crystals to multifrequency crystals a lot faster than switching from Carbonized/Iron to EMP/Antimatter. Lasers are great on paper, but suffer from insane fitting requirements, high cap use, and EM/Thermal only damage (and they NEVER deal more thermal damage than EM, so their DPS against Armor is more than halved). And in PvP, armor tanking is preferred to free up mid slots
MR CAPSLOCK	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Terazuk Originally by: MotherMoon lasers have the lowest effective DPS in the game, and they have the highest cap use. fixed properly... Infinite ammo? not for long, check sisi WHAT?1 NEED MORE INFO
Bistot Kid The First Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:40:00 - [22] Pew Pew, not Boom Boom. -------------------- What? Me Worry? --------------------
Madla Mafia The Dead Man's Hand	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:42:00 - [23] No ammo is the only "good" thing about lasers. Although, if you use T2 stuff, you will need to use ammo. Real expensive too! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amarr - getting screwed since 2005.
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:43:00 - [24] Lazors in eve give me the excuse to make pew pew pew noises all day long... thats what they are good for. signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])
Maltitol Gallente Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:44:00 - [25] when they pew pew, it sends me on a freaky trip into outer space Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well boohoo.
Phantom Slave Amarr Mozzaki United	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:51:00 - [26] Originally by: Terazuk Infinite ammo? not for long, check sisi Wait, what? I haven't seen or heard anything about changes to lasers. What are you talking about? ____________________ Pirating in EVE is like kicking a squirrel and stealing his food. The squirrel hates you afterwards, but it's fun none the less.
Terianna Eri Amarr STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:01:00 - [27] Originally by: Terazuk Originally by: MotherMoon lasers have the lowest effective DPS in the game, and they have the highest cap use. fixed properly... Infinite ammo? not for long, check sisi Clarify. NOW. Seriously, I'd like to save the last 11 days left on Amarr Cruiser V if I can ;_; __________________________________
Dei Amarr Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:08:00 - [28] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Terazuk Originally by: MotherMoon lasers have the lowest effective DPS in the game, and they have the highest cap use. fixed properly... Infinite ammo? not for long, check sisi Clarify. NOW. Seriously, I'd like to save the last 11 days left on Amarr Cruiser V if I can ;_; What, what, what? --- The true master paralyses his opponent, leaving him vulnerable to attack
Arachidamia The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:11:00 - [29] They look pretty and don't have to carry ammo. But generally speaking they suck like a hired lady of the night, who was mugged just the previous day and is falling behind on rent payments. One day lasers might get their much needed boost to bring them in line with the other races. But I doubt it.
LastTraitorStanding Amarr The Imperial Assassins	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:12:00 - [30] In before gross speculation and rabble go off the charts. -------------------------------- Semper ubi sub ubi

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