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Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:18:00 - [1] Originally by: Kayna Eelai eve-online as a game has absolutely no respect for new coming players and if it wasn't for the community, which is one of the best i've seen so far, this game would be dead and buried for a few years already. in fact, why are we paying for this game? CCP should pay the community for keeping their game alive! Can you explain to me how any other MMO is easier on new players? ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:30:00 - [2] Originally by: Lazuran At least other MMOs aren't full of badly documented, complicated game mechanics that are used as newbie traps (lofty exploit etc. - yeah that was "fixed" after what, half a year?) and other exploitable bugs (salvaging wrecks not flagging you e.g.). Have you seen the knowledgebase? It's actually very thorough regarding all those complex game mechanics. In addition, almost anything dangerous you do prompts you with a warning mechanism explaining exactly what it is and how it works. Regarding "traps," this was created specifically because it was requested by players - criminal flags were created by miners who wanted to be able to retaliate against ore thieves. If salvage flags you, wouldn't salvage thieves just do the same thing as ore thieves? Get people to shoot at them and just come back with a more combat-worthy ship? ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:01:00 - [3] Originally by: Kayna Eelai erm, sorry but when did YOU create your char? last time i checked, when i created a gallente char it came with a **load of SP into drones, while a minmatar one had em into gunnery. there starts the difference. A difference of two weeks training. Are you suggesting that characters should all start with skills in every form of weapon and both armor and shield tanking? Quote:** actually, i am gallente and fly minmatar (including it's support skills)... while i understand that i would have to train a long time to fly other races ships and master them... why aren't there more "hybrid" ships? CHOICE! If by "long time" you mean two weeks. If you're that desperate you could just start a new character in the appropriate race. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:36:00 - [4] Originally by: Kayna Eelai ok, now ask a minmatar char, with all (or almost all) SP into artillery/autocannons and minmatar ships how long it would take him to get skills to be equally good in hybrid guns and gallente ships, ok? I gain SP at a rate of about 2 million a month. New characters start out with about 1 million SP. Two weeks. Quote: 2 weeks would it take me to fly a machariel. WOHOOOO!!!! 1... ONE!!! only ONE ship to chose. plus i would not be so dumb to fly a macha with my actual support skills. And all the Minmatar Frigates, Cruisers, and Battleships. And if you don't have good support skills, how does this apply differently to Gallente ships than Minmatar battleships? Quote: i dont want BETTER ships... i just want MORE Then why don't you actually suggest some more ships to add instead of just throwing a tantrum on the forums, where you know you will only be mocked? You're like that guy in the zombie movie that spends the entire time *****ing and moaning about how everyone is going to die while everyone else is doing something helpful. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:43:00 - [5] Originally by: Kayna Eelai 3) but in the end, this game is all about pvp. BS. The game is about whatever the hell you make it about. I don't PvP much and I'm doing fine. Originally by: Kayna Eelai try a 1v1 stabber VS stabber. one with a faction web and T2 guns with barrage... and the other with just scouts and T1/faction ammo. ok? If the same ship uses versions of your equipment that cost 10,000,000 times more than your equipment, how is it a problem if they win? Quote: earning isk... doing same missions over and over and over... in the same ship every single day... how much fun! There are multiple ways to make ISK. Production? Piracy? Invention? Exploration? Salvage? Scammer? I made 250 million ISK just on the forums. Think outside of the box for once. Missions are not Quests, and this is not WoW. Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: Cinimrat The OP is either a troll or an idiot. Either way there's no reason anyone should be posting in this thread. elaborate or GTFO I'm guessing he thinks your viewpoints are uninformed, poorly thought-out, and hindered by the ranting manner in which you conduct yourself. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:55:00 - [6] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Edited by: Kayna Eelai on 29/10/2007 18:51:10 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Kayna Eelai try a 1v1 stabber VS stabber. one with a faction web and T2 guns with barrage... and the other with just scouts and T1/faction ammo. ok? If the same ship uses versions of your equipment that cost 10,000,000 times more than your equipment, how is it a problem if they win? geez how thick can people be... it was not about the ISK that equipment costs, but the skills needed to use. i could spend billions on faction items and my ship would still be worse than some1 with T2 guns and ammo. besides... plz check the market and you'll notice how T2 medium projectile guns tend to cost less or same that T1 scouts. so much about ISK. Faction Stasis Webifiers are a bit more expensive than T2 guns, I hate to tell you. Also, how is this even relevant to the overall discussion? ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.29 19:02:00 - [7] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: Tarminic Also, how is this even relevant to the overall discussion? because i claimed that in order to be ANY good in pvp, you need certain skills, like T2 guns and that's it's pretty boring while those skills go up... and some smartass came and said that's not correct, that a rifter could kill a titan any day (well not exactly like this, but sums it up) Too bad that's not true. The first time I PvPed I was in a Vexor with less than 3 million SP, and I helped take down a battleships before I was jammed and taken out myself. You're still looking at this from a WoW perspective, where the only way you can win is by out-tanking or out-damaging your opponent. As I said before, try thinking outside of the box. Despite the fact that Goonswarm has relatively low-SP players, they've been able to fight and beat many alliances with more SP and better-equipped ships through numbers and superior tactics. Also, a T2-fitted megathron can be shut down by a single cruiser (Blackbird/Celestis) or four frigates. How does that factor into your equation? ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.29 19:15:00 - [8] Originally by: Kayna Eelai thats all i am asking for: more options for newer players (and i don't refer only to the 2-4 weeks old, but anything under 6 month). options that don't require throwing away your whole skill plan and spend 2 month learning something different. what i am talking about is (for example) more ships per race and/or type. more hybrid ships that are TRUELY hybrid (jack of all trades, and not pwnmobiles at just ONE thing) and stuff like that. Then why didn't you just say this to begin with? That way you could have avoided 70+ posts of defending your angst against CCP and at the same time actually be productive? Instead you've wasted three pages ranting and then poorly defending your rant. Even better, why not suggest new ships that could be added and see how people like or dislike them? ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.29 19:26:00 - [9] Quote: i'll tell you one of MY first pvp experiences: i attacked a ratting rupture (was sitting in a bellicose back then) and he seemed to be AFK. when he only had 1/4 of armor left he apparently came back from pvp and started shooting at me. by the time i popped his ship i was in structure already. why would that be? 1) his drones were T2 2) his repper was T2 3) his guns were T2 (my log was telling me he was dealing double the damage per hit i was doing back then) want me to keep going? yes i won. i won because the fight started because a vet player made a noob mistake of going afk. but that and all the fights i did later against players with just 2-3 more month than me showd me that T2 = win against T1. in order to get T2 i need to get skills up first. Ok, then how about this. Name a system and I'll meet you there and fight you. You bring your battleship with T2 gear, I'll bring my battleship with T1 gear only. If you win it proves your point, and if I win it proves my point. I'll come alone, you can scan my setup or a neutral party can do it, I don't care. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.30 13:35:00 - [10] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: Sheriff Jones So you never got punished? Break something? Go ahead. Hit someone? Oh boys will be boys. Call your mother names? Oh he's such a nice kid. Punishing kids is viable and should be implemented into MMOs aswell. i hope you never have kids if you think that way. ever heard of COMMUNICATION, aka TALKING? if you succeed by educating your kid properly, you won't even have the need to punish him in first place. and no, if the kid broke something, there is no need to punish either, just to explain that this was wrong, why, etc. Man, you are going to be in for an unpleasant surprise should you manage to reproduce. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining

Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.30 15:16:00 - [11] Originally by: Kayna Eelai oh and i agree with "this post is moronic" because... if you say THIS POST you're referring to your own post, so... Oh man, if I was in 3rd grade that would have been awesome! ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.30 20:07:00 - [12] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: Ranger 1 EVE is a sandbox i am kinda sick of hearing that argument... for two reasons: 1) coz it's not even true 2) coz how many of you guys still play in sandboxes, huh? pretty much got bored of that already, right? so... If you prefer the WoW Carousel, why are you still here? We're here because we prefer our sandbox to your merry-go-round. Can you also explain how it's not actually true? ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.30 20:23:00 - [13] Edited by: Tarminic on 30/10/2007 20:24:26 Originally by: Tidas Andrommeda I'll do it for him: ahem BECUZ TERE IS NO SAND AND TEH GALXEE ISNT SQUARE That probably makes more sense than the OP's eventual reply. EDIT: Originally by: lachesis gonna have to post in this one ... gonna use alt for me posting for the 1st time ever ...which make me sad as i normally take my post on the chin Why? It's not like your opinion is an uncommon viewpoint. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.30 21:15:00 - [14] Edited by: Tarminic on 30/10/2007 21:15:13 Originally by: Zinras To OP, Hello Kitty Online is that way -----> (and yes, there IS a Hello Kitty Online game in the link) Mine is better. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining

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