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ObiAliKonobi the united	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:01:00 - [1] CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec. I am using repetition to make a point. This point revolves around the smacktards at CCP who make low-sec a worthless place to be in and the fact that they keep finding ways to make it worse and worse. OOOOH gas clouds. OOOOOH crap level 5s. THINK HARDER! OR Just keep on ignoring the problem. CCp is good at ignoring. A pirate and STFU carebears!!!!
Lord TYMAN	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:03:00 - [2] Quit your jibber-jabber.
ObiAliKonobi the united	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:06:00 - [3] cram veldspar where the sun don't shine, sweety-pie!
Crimson Onyx the united	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:16:00 - [4] lol <3 Obia nerf Carebearzzz!111! .:The Edge Preview :.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:19:00 - [5] I find lowsec fine... nabbed a Raven last time I went out and find haulers all the time. Just get better at it. and stop putting bounites on yourself Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Aletheja The Cruciform The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:21:00 - [6] ?
Madla Mafia The Dead Man's Hand	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:22:00 - [7] Actually...CCP hates Amarr. If you're an Amarr pirate, you might aswell quit the game. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amarr - getting screwed since 2005.
Exlegion Caldari New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:23:00 - [8] It's what happens when you deplete an area of prey. Over kill and your prey moves away. Find another spot to hunt in. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
ObiAliKonobi the united	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:26:00 - [9] Surfin, get laid lately? Why don't you try harder to be less of a fool. OOOOH. A raven and a million macro haulers. OOOOOhh. That's going to pay the bills. All of Metropolis and a good chunk of Heimatar is just macros. Surfin, I know you like to kill macro haulers but I don't AND DID I MENTION YOU SUCK MAJOR WHANGCHUNG! PLUNDER ****!
Corwain Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:27:00 - [10] Originally by: Exlegion It's what happens when you deplete an area of prey. Over kill and your prey moves away. Find another spot to hunt in. Oh my god, I though it was CCP that introduced warp to 0, tanking rigs that make it impossible to kill another ship of your class solo, and nerfed T2 ammo to make it even harder. I thought it was CCP who made it easy to escape anything buy a nanogang supported by a hugginn, yet made gate guns eat nanoships for breakfast. Guess I was wrong, it was us damn pirates killing everything in sight that done it. --
Hooch Flux Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:28:00 - [11] Originally by: ObiAliKonobi CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec. I am using repetition to make a point. This point revolves around the smacktards at CCP who make low-sec a worthless place to be in and the fact that they keep finding ways to make it worse and worse. OOOOH gas clouds. OOOOOH crap level 5s. THINK HARDER! OR Just keep on ignoring the problem. CCp is good at ignoring. A pirate and STFU carebears!!!! So...What are you trying to say? I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
ObiAliKonobi the united	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:32:00 - [12] that you are a smacktark like the smacktards at CCP. They hate pirates and piracy. They love the carebears and 0.0 *****s. Hell, they spawned t2 bpos for an unnamed alliance that rhymes with MOB.
Stakhanov The Good Fellas	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:46:00 - [13] 1/10 for trolling. Originally by: F'nog One does not simply log into Jita.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:53:00 - [14] ZOMG! Iz a 1337 Haxxor Pie rat!!! And I makez claimz tat I dont bakup!!! BELIEVEZ ME!!!!!! Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Exlegion Caldari New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:53:00 - [15] Originally by: Corwain Originally by: Exlegion It's what happens when you deplete an area of prey. Over kill and your prey moves away. Find another spot to hunt in. Oh my god, I though it was CCP that introduced warp to 0, tanking rigs that make it impossible to kill another ship of your class solo, and nerfed T2 ammo to make it even harder. I thought it was CCP who made it easy to escape anything buy a nanogang supported by a hugginn, yet made gate guns eat nanoships for breakfast. Guess I was wrong, it was us damn pirates killing everything in sight that done it. You know, I can't make you see that if it were any easier for you to kill players in low sec there wouldn't be anything but pirates and idiot carebears in low sec. And I bet you'd still be complaining about the lack of targets. Let me ask you, do you do your part? Do you ransom when you can? Do you waste your time killing shuttles and pods for cheap giggles? Do you do more than just camp gates? All I'm saying is don't blame it all on CCP when you yourself are running your prey out of low sec. You think things are bad now, what do you suppose would happen if WTZ was nerfed and bookmarks not allowed near gates and stations? Do you think there'd be an influx of targets for you to shoot at then? One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
ponieus the united	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:00:00 - [16] Edited by: ponieus on 29/10/2007 18:04:29 Originally by: ObiAliKonobi that you are a smacktark like the smacktards at CCP. They hate pirates and piracy. They love the carebears and 0.0 *****s. Hell, they spawned t2 bpos for an unnamed alliance that rhymes with MOB. well I dunno they seem to let people macro haulers ALOT in low sec. And I dont need anymore dancers and soil. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Crimson Onyx the united	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:09:00 - [17] Originally by: Exlegion Originally by: Corwain Originally by: Exlegion It's what happens when you deplete an area of prey. Over kill and your prey moves away. Find another spot to hunt in. Oh my god, I though it was CCP that introduced warp to 0, tanking rigs that make it impossible to kill another ship of your class solo, and nerfed T2 ammo to make it even harder. I thought it was CCP who made it easy to escape anything buy a nanogang supported by a hugginn, yet made gate guns eat nanoships for breakfast. Guess I was wrong, it was us damn pirates killing everything in sight that done it. You know, I can't make you see that if it were any easier for you to kill players in low sec there wouldn't be anything but pirates and idiot carebears in low sec. And I bet you'd still be complaining about the lack of targets. Let me ask you, do you do your part? Do you ransom when you can? Do you waste your time killing shuttles and pods for cheap giggles? Do you do more than just camp gates? All I'm saying is don't blame it all on CCP when you yourself are running your prey out of low sec. You think things are bad now, what do you suppose would happen if WTZ was nerfed and bookmarks not allowed near gates and stations? Do you think there'd be an influx of targets for you to shoot at then? Your siggy just screams emo im sorry Exlegion. .:The Edge Preview :.
ObiAliKonobi the united	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:11:00 - [18] My claims are perfectly justified: (A) There is no reason to come to low sec except to treavel through it. Examples: No high-grade ore and crap rats. And my claim was justified. Go to Metropolis and parts of Heimatar and see the dozens of macro haulers. Two large regions infested with people who are afk. I am well justified in my conviction that CCP hates pirates and piracy in the lower lecurity regions. They need to make the rats and ore worthwhile. They need to make it a place where people want to live in instead of just passing through. Have you or anyone found any single target in a belt on a consistant basis? I bet the answer is NO.
Exlegion Caldari New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:12:00 - [19] Originally by: Crimson Onyx Your siggy just screams emo im sorry Exlegion. emo? One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:18:00 - [20] Originally by: ObiAliKonobi My claims are perfectly justified: (A) There is no reason to come to low sec except to treavel through it. Examples: No high-grade ore and crap rats. And my claim was justified. Go to Metropolis and parts of Heimatar and see the dozens of macro haulers. Two large regions infested with people who are afk. I am well justified in my conviction that CCP hates pirates and piracy in the lower lecurity regions. They need to make the rats and ore worthwhile. They need to make it a place where people want to live in instead of just passing through. Have you or anyone found any single target in a belt on a consistant basis? I bet the answer is NO. That's what Aunenen and Amamake are for Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Crimson Onyx the united	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:21:00 - [21] Emo = http://emosong.ytmnd.com/ .:The Edge Preview :.
Countess Xiao	Posted - 2007.10.29 18:35:00 - [22] Originally by: Crimson Onyx Your siggy just screams emo im sorry Exlegion. I think his sig is quite elegant.
Exlegion Caldari New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.29 19:25:00 - [23] Originally by: Countess Xiao Originally by: Crimson Onyx Your siggy just screams emo im sorry Exlegion. I think his sig is quite elegant. Thx! :) Given that I did it with MS Paint, I thought I did a somewhat not-too-crappy job. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Leikeze Mrotserif coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.29 19:34:00 - [24] to the op, cry some more :P
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.29 19:37:00 - [25] Originally by: ObiAliKonobi Edited by: ObiAliKonobi on 29/10/2007 18:19:59 My claims are perfectly justified: (A) There is no reason to come to low sec except to treavel through it. Now, I'm not one to pick a huge fight with a stranger, but since we're only mostly strangers, I really have to chime in. Just because you haven't found anything to do in lowsec doesn't mean that there's nothing to do in lowsec. When's the last time you left Rancer? (Granted, united may have been kicked out of Rancer by now - I haven't kept up on the local politics there for a few weeks) In my weeks / months of snooping about the Crielere --> Otou pipe looking for trouble, I noticed a very distinct thing about the united. You guys never left the Rancer /Crielere gate, except to try camping a different gate in Rancer for a bit. And when you weren't on a gate, you were in a station because some other corp (Silent Scream?) forced you off the gate. In fact, I was privvy to the group that killed Ginger's last ship before he got banned again. The point I'm making here is that you're in the united; I'm not sure that you guys even recognize an existence of a universe outside of Rancer. And when you do skip around, its a VERY VERY limited jaunt through that pipe. With all that said, how exactly are you complaining? You and your corp have overhunted Rancer. Months ago. I'm sure you still get some noobs on the gate. Sometimes. But when your life consists of sitting on the same gate in the same system day in and day out, how can you possibly generalize life in lowsec? When's the last time you popped next door into Crielere? There was always someone in a belt. Haven't seen any United there in two months. One popped through from Rancer once and we killed him on the gate. Then 7 of your battleships of course jumped through and we scampered away. But you never came back!?!? When's the last time you went to Tama? Outbreak prowls in that area. There's plenty of noobs. They're so noob that you blow up their Caracal, then feel bad and give them ISK to replace it. Been by Akora lately? Probably not. Dude. When your lowsec experience solely consists of blobbing a gate in lowsec, complete with capitals and occassionally a mothership, STFU. You're a carebear.
Insomnium Minmatar the united	Posted - 2007.10.29 19:56:00 - [26] went to amamake the other day... empty , stopped by dal found 5 targets but they docked... thought we had cap ships hidden in the station. and CCP does hate pirates. my anti-virus froze up my computer leading to the destruction of my ship to sentry fire. i asked for it back but they said no. but back in the days where i mined roids instead of ships they were perfectly happy to put me back in mine. CCP? FAIL. ------------------------------------ If you define cowardice as running away at the first sign of danger, screaming and tripping and begging for mercy, then yes, Mr. Brave man, I guess I'm a coward
Insomnium Minmatar the united	Posted - 2007.10.29 20:00:00 - [27] oh and silent scream never killed any of ginger's ships, they just thought they did but in anycase he was made of FAIL too... sorry i just like saying that. even if i have no idea what i'm talking about. MARTHA STEWART = FAIL ok i'm done. ------------------------------------ If you define cowardice as running away at the first sign of danger, screaming and tripping and begging for mercy, then yes, Mr. Brave man, I guess I'm a coward
ponieus the united	Posted - 2007.10.29 20:05:00 - [28] Originally by: Insomnium went to amamake the other day... empty , stopped by dal found 5 targets but they docked... thought we had cap ships hidden in the station. . they ROBBED me of my goal for the weekend.. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Sainna Minmatar Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2007.10.29 20:47:00 - [29] Originally by: ObiAliKonobi Edited by: ObiAliKonobi on 29/10/2007 18:19:59 My claims are perfectly justified: (A) There is no reason to come to low sec except to travel through it. Examples: No high-grade ore and crap rats. They need to make it a place where people want to live in instead of just passing through. Have you or anyone found any single target in a belt on a consistent basis? I bet the answer is NO. More people need to be given an incentive to live in low sec. Taking a long shot here but... ...getting rid of pirates/griefers may be a good step. ---- Drill Instructor: "If your nature didn't lead you to trample everyone in your path with vindictive glee, you might be tolerable.
Corwain Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2007.10.29 21:04:00 - [30] Originally by: Exlegion You know, I can't make you see that if it were any easier for you to kill players in low sec there wouldn't be anything but pirates and idiot carebears in low sec. And I bet you'd still be complaining about the lack of targets. Let me ask you, do you do your part? Do you ransom when you can? Do you waste your time killing shuttles and pods for cheap giggles? Do you do more than just camp gates? All I'm saying is don't blame it all on CCP when you yourself are running your prey out of low sec. You think things are bad now, what do you suppose would happen if WTZ was nerfed and bookmarks not allowed near gates and stations? Do you think there'd be an influx of targets for you to shoot at then? I wasn't complaining about underpopulation. I do indeed ransom all those who I believe will actually pay and not waste my time while calling for help. Mostly you only see Cruisers and Frigs in losec which aren't worth ransoming and they know it. You cannot convince a cruiser to pay a ransom unless they've got loot good enough that you should just pop em. They're either new players who don't have the ISK in wallet to pay anyhow, or older players who don't give two ****s about losing a T1 cruiser. I ransom every BC and up or T2 ship that I can get to structure while holding at least half my tank and nothing dangerous shows up on scan during the fight. I've never done gatecamping (except once) not for any moral reasons but just because it's boring and you need a well organized group to really pull it off well. (You pretty much need a Huginn+Lachechis remote sensor boosted and repped and 5 or so gank BSes along with haulers dropping cans of cap boosters.) Then you need scouts to warn of incoming gatecamp busters and everyone needs to be able to stay for a few hours at least. Most of my pirating has been belt piracy, or mission probing. By the way probing mission runners is very hard now and only the most inept runners won't see your probes on scan and WTZ to a station or gate and get the heck out. What I dislike is that once they warp out it's over. You can't catch em 5km off a station or gate trying to flee anymore. People whine about pirates blobbing, but game mechanics forces them to, not because they need 4k dps to kill a hauler, but because they need 6pts of scram to keep in in place. I jumped into a camp with 2 moms in it yesterday in a non-speed fitted BC, loled, and MWDed back to the gate easily. Who do these guys manage to kill anyhow? People flying paperthin ships that get easily popped by smartbombs and those flying horribly slow ships with no WCS that can't get back to the gate. PvP in EVE is completely consensual anymore. I can still get good fights and I don't START threads like these wining about it, but I certainly think that losec PvP has been nerfed in recent years. No lack of targets involved. I can certainly still get kills, but that's just because I'm that good. --
Wigglytuff Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.29 21:08:00 - [31] Wow, ginger bought a new character already?
Sainna Minmatar Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2007.10.29 21:10:00 - [32] Originally by: Zhett Haukes Originally by: Sainna ...getting rid of pirates/griefers may be a good step. Pirate != Griefer ... Why do people keep saying this? It's a really annoying view. Ok, let me clarify what I actually meant. (in reply to OP) ...getting rid of pirates and griefers may be a good step. ---- Drill Instructor: "If your nature didn't lead you to trample everyone in your path with vindictive glee, you might be tolerable.
LUH 3471	Posted - 2007.10.29 21:37:00 - [33] Edited by: LUH 3471 on 29/10/2007 21:40:42 ccp we want you to populate lowsec give us a way to bribe concord reduce agression timer make it possible to capture ships and when ambulation hits we want stations for pirates only with black jack and hookers
ponieus the united	Posted - 2007.10.29 21:39:00 - [34] Originally by: LUH 3471 ccp we want you to populate lowsec give us a way to bribe concord reduce agression timer make it possible to capture ships and when ambulation hits we want stations for pirates with blackmarket, blackjack and black evrything listen to this man.. Bribe concord. BEST idea ever... Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Dark Sapphire KDS	Posted - 2007.10.29 22:48:00 - [35] Originally by: ObiAliKonobi Edited by: ObiAliKonobi on 29/10/2007 18:16:52 Edited by: ObiAliKonobi on 29/10/2007 18:05:33 Edited by: ObiAliKonobi on 29/10/2007 18:02:31 CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec. I am using repetition to make a point. This point revolves around the smacktards at CCP who make low-sec a worthless place to be in and the fact that they keep finding ways to make it worse and worse. OOOOH gas clouds. OOOOOH crap level 5s. THINK HARDER! OR Just keep on ignoring the problem. CCp is good at ignoring. Lastly, I just want to say this post was made out of frustration more than anything else. I really do love this game and hate to see the form of play that I love be mistreated and neglected. So if I am a bit harsh in me smacktalk please forgive me. Sometimes we get a bit emotional over the game. A pirate CCP payed us to have a little fun with you this passed weekend in Rancer... Twice we came with equal numbers.....twice you docked......need I say anymore?
Karrade Krise	Posted - 2007.10.29 22:58:00 - [36] AR ROO SEERIROUS!? I do custom signatures, let me know what you want!
SPIONKOP Caldari Fire Suppression	Posted - 2007.10.29 23:00:00 - [37] Low sec is crap. People die in low sec. The risk / reward does not balance out. A small corp can make more isk with almost zero risk mining for the low end minerals in 0.5 than take a risk and mine in 0.4. There are simply too many "organised" pirats in T2 fitted ships that can make mincemeat out of a mining operation in low sec in just a few seconds. There needs to be a reason to go into low sec and frankly its simply too dangerous for many players to risk losing their ship sucking roids. Barges and Haulers die way too quick. New players go into low sec once, die quick and simply realise that their T1 fitted Moa can't do jack **** against a T2 fitted Vaga or someother exotic ship. They know that they are years from being able to compete on equal terms and are simply outclassed and will be for sometime. So you could equally say CCP hates Miners cos there are so many roid belts ripe for mining and then those pesky pirates come in a blow them all up or scatter them to safe spots, stations or pos. You see Obi, maybe you need to think outside the Box. If a corp mines in Otou/Rancer would your corp protect them from all the other nasty pirates/NPC's in the system? Sure your corp would be paid, maybe a cut of the mining op or a flat fee. You would then protect the mining corp from harm to the best of your ability. You will get all the rat loot, maybe some PVP and some income. You have then give a mining corp a reason to come to Otou/Rancer etc and helped shift the risk/reward balance in the favour of the miner. Still risky, can your corp be trusted, will the miners pay you? will your corp get ganked by a more powerfull corp? If however you simply want cheap hauler/barge kills then grow a pair, pop into P3EN, run up the pipe and kill all the haulers, barges you like. If your lucky you may run into some real combat and have some fun. --------------------------------------------- Space For Rent. 100mil ISK/Week.
Exlegion Caldari New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.29 23:13:00 - [38] Originally by: Corwain I wasn't complaining about underpopulation. I do indeed ransom all those who I believe will actually pay and not waste my time while calling for help. Mostly you only see Cruisers and Frigs in losec which aren't worth ransoming and they know it. You cannot convince a cruiser to pay a ransom unless they've got loot good enough that you should just pop em. They're either new players who don't have the ISK in wallet to pay anyhow, or older players who don't give two ***s about losing a T1 cruiser. I ransom every BC and up or T2 ship that I can get to structure while holding at least half my tank and nothing dangerous shows up on scan during the fight. I've never done gatecamping (except once) not for any moral reasons but just because it's boring and you need a well organized group to really pull it off well. (You pretty much need a Huginn+Lachechis remote sensor boosted and repped and 5 or so gank BSes along with haulers dropping cans of cap boosters.) Then you need scouts to warn of incoming gatecamp busters and everyone needs to be able to stay for a few hours at least. Most of my pirating has been belt piracy, or mission probing. By the way probing mission runners is very hard now and only the most inept runners won't see your probes on scan and WTZ to a station or gate and get the heck out. What I dislike is that once they warp out it's over. You can't catch em 5km off a station or gate trying to flee anymore. People whine about pirates blobbing, but game mechanics forces them to, not because they need 4k dps to kill a hauler, but because they need 6pts of scram to keep in in place. I jumped into a camp with 2 moms in it yesterday in a non-speed fitted BC, loled, and MWDed back to the gate easily. Who do these guys manage to kill anyhow? People flying paperthin ships that get easily popped by smartbombs and those flying horribly slow ships with no WCS that can't get back to the gate. PvP in EVE is completely consensual anymore. I can still get good fights and I don't START threads like these wining about it, but I certainly think that losec PvP has been nerfed in recent years. No lack of targets involved. I can certainly still get kills, but that's just because I'm that good. Excellent post! Thanks. I actually agree with everything you said. I think the OP made a good point as well on the first page. And that is to make low sec worth something. As it is right now the older players can't reasonably replace any 'good' ship lost in low sec. It's why I keep my ships cheaply fitted. I'm not sure how the addition of gas clouds and rare ores is going to work for low sec, but I think it can only be a positive move. By how much I guess we'll have to wait and see. If low sec were profitable enough then carebear killing should be reasonably easy, meaning piracy also prospers. To encourage 'carebears' to low sec CCP needs to add single-player missions/ores with very lucrative rewards but difficult (ie need T2/faction gear) to access. Why? Because that way the 'greedy' older carebears actually will go out and take the chance for that phat loot. And they'll keep coming back for some more. As it is right now it just isn't worth it. Not for the pirate nor the carebear. Do players even mine in high-traffic low-sec space these days? These should be the systems where CCP could add high stakes content. Well, I haven't really said anything that hasn't already been said before. So all I can do really is hope that the Trinity content addresses the low sec issue. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us.* - Guru
Ard UnjiiGo The Bastards	Posted - 2007.10.29 23:40:00 - [39] Originally by: SPIONKOP Low sec is crap. People die in low sec. The risk / reward does not balance out. A small corp can make more isk with almost zero risk mining for the low end minerals in 0.5 than take a risk and mine in 0.4. There are simply too many "organised" pirats in T2 fitted ships that can make mincemeat out of a mining operation in low sec in just a few seconds. There needs to be a reason to go into low sec and frankly its simply too dangerous for many players to risk losing their ship sucking roids. Barges and Haulers die way too quick. New players go into low sec once, die quick and simply realise that their T1 fitted Moa can't do jack **** against a T2 fitted Vaga or someother exotic ship. They know that they are years from being able to compete on equal terms and are simply outclassed and will be for sometime. So you could equally say CCP hates Miners cos there are so many roid belts ripe for mining and then those pesky pirates come in a blow them all up or scatter them to safe spots, stations or pos. You see Obi, maybe you need to think outside the Box. If a corp mines in Otou/Rancer would your corp protect them from all the other nasty pirates/NPC's in the system? Sure your corp would be paid, maybe a cut of the mining op or a flat fee. You would then protect the mining corp from harm to the best of your ability. You will get all the rat loot, maybe some PVP and some income. You have then give a mining corp a reason to come to Otou/Rancer etc and helped shift the risk/reward balance in the favour of the miner. Still risky, can your corp be trusted, will the miners pay you? will your corp get ganked by a more powerfull corp? If however you simply want cheap hauler/barge kills then grow a pair, pop into P3EN, run up the pipe and kill all the haulers, barges you like. If your lucky you may run into some real combat and have some fun. "the Yarr is strong with this one" -Azirapheal
revilot	Posted - 2007.10.30 00:13:00 - [40] Originally by: Dark Sapphire Originally by: ObiAliKonobi Edited by: ObiAliKonobi on 29/10/2007 18:16:52 Edited by: ObiAliKonobi on 29/10/2007 18:05:33 Edited by: ObiAliKonobi on 29/10/2007 18:02:31 CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates pirates. CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec.CCP hates Low-sec. I am using repetition to make a point. This point revolves around the smacktards at CCP who make low-sec a worthless place to be in and the fact that they keep finding ways to make it worse and worse. OOOOH gas clouds. OOOOOH crap level 5s. THINK HARDER! OR Just keep on ignoring the problem. CCp is good at ignoring. Lastly, I just want to say this post was made out of frustration more than anything else. I really do love this game and hate to see the form of play that I love be mistreated and neglected. So if I am a bit harsh in me smacktalk please forgive me. Sometimes we get a bit emotional over the game. A pirate CCP payed us to have a little fun with you this passed weekend in Rancer... Twice we came with equal numbers.....twice you docked......need I say anymore? Is that so? I seem to remember events unfolded a bit differently. You don't understand the game mechanics pirates have to deal with obviously. I won't bother to explain why we didn't engage you on your terms. What really happened is we organized ourselves and let you all know that we were ready for a fight. While you were all warping around the system to random safespots trying to gather intel, we just flat out told you here we are, come get us. Twice we did this, and twice you failed to respond. Those are the facts, you can come on the forums and act like a tough guy all you want, that doesn't change reality, only the reality perceived by people who read forums. Honestly, we couldn't have made it any easier for you to engage us. Maybe next time we'll send you all greeting cards and setup a playdate so you can figure it out.
Yokaar Caldari the united	Posted - 2007.10.30 00:16:00 - [41] This is my take on it. I have lived in 0.0 for over a year. I lived in highsec for over a year. Now I live in low-sec. This is what I have experienced. CCP seems to be catering to 0.0 and high-sec players in my opinion. They cater to mission runners; who are the bulk of their income. They cater to the 0.0 alliances with ships, roids, player owned stations, etc... The risk vs. reward is far greater in 0.0 than anywhere else. Even the high-sec mission runners now have a greater reward than ever before with the new LP [store] system. This leaves the low-sec areas DEAD. There is no reason to go to low-sec unless you want to take a shortcut to another high-sec system OR your traveling from a high-sec system to your 0.0 area. Please CCP give more rweards for people living in low-sec. Give better and more agents in low-sec, increase the bounties on rats in low-sec by a considerable amount, add better roids in the belts. Give people a reason to venture into low-sec and they will. While your at it CCP please throw a little love in a pirates direction. How about some special ship types that only -9 players can use, how about special implants that only -9 players can use. Give the pirates their just do. Yokaar
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.30 00:16:00 - [42] Originally by: LUH 3471 Edited by: LUH 3471 on 29/10/2007 21:40:42 ccp we want you to populate lowsec give us a way to bribe concord reduce agression timer make it possible to capture ships and when ambulation hits we want stations for pirates only with black jack and hookers You know what... forget the black jack... and the stations! Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Joeyboy Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.10.30 00:23:00 - [43] Pirates who whine are worse than carebears who whine.
Sinnbad Mayhem Amarr Suicidal Mercenaries Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.30 00:28:00 - [44] I have a different perspective on low sec. Yes, CCP needs to buff it but think about the followin: -Low sec is ok for those who want to dabble in PVP. It aint great but sometimes you can find a fight. -Mission runner or empire dweller can jump in their ship, goto low sec and pick a fight. As long as you dont pod, its not too bad for a sec hit. As long as you balance it out, it can be fun and a great learning experience. -I even heard of somebody finding a faction spawn once or twice. But maybe he was pulling my leg.... Bottom line, is a stepping stone to 0.0. Its there to get you ready for gate camps, ganks and finding opponents. If you understand this then you can find value in low sec. If not then oh well. S&M
Dez Affinity Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.30 00:53:00 - [45] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I went out and find haulers all the time. Me too, like 100 of them all in one system... just doesn't cut it though, a 100 macro haulers named wingoodxiao500. _______________
Tha Pusher III ELEMENTS VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.30 01:55:00 - [46] Originally by: ObiAliKonobi Surfin, get laid lately? Why don't you try harder to be less of a fool. OOOOH. A raven and a million macro haulers. OOOOOhh. That's going to pay the bills. All of Metropolis and a good chunk of Heimatar is just macros. Surfin, I know you like to kill macro haulers but I don't AND DID I MENTION YOU SUCK MAJOR WHANGCHUNG! PLUNDER ****! Dont worry kid, with a little practice, you may still get good at this game, theres always hope and after that, it will all fall into place. stay in school! The anti-pirates Pirate I've got a BIG BIG thirst for human blood!
Xzar Fyrarr	Posted - 2007.10.30 02:39:00 - [47] Originally by: ObiAliKonobi Edited by: ObiAliKonobi on 29/10/2007 18:19:59 My claims are perfectly justified: (A) There is no reason to come to low sec except to treavel through it. Examples: No high-grade ore and crap rats. And my claim was justified. Go to Metropolis and parts of Heimatar and see the dozens of macro haulers. Two large regions infested with people who are afk. I am well justified in my conviction that CCP hates pirates and piracy in the lower lecurity regions. They need to make the rats and ore worthwhile. They need to make it a place where people want to live in instead of just passing through. Have you or anyone found any single target in a belt on a consistant basis? I bet the answer is NO. More people need to be incentivised into living in low sec. A)They should help me with my scanning skill's. They need to make PVP more of an option in EvE. They need to make .1 - .4 automatically into pvp zone's aka , WoW terf. I don't find targets on a constant basis CCP plz replI kTHNXBAI FISCED
Steakkbone Helios Incorporated Insurgency	Posted - 2007.10.30 02:42:00 - [48] My name is Steakkbone, and I endorse this message. They hate amarr too.
Shandling Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.30 03:39:00 - [49] Originally by: Sainna Taking a long shot here but... ...getting rid of pirates/griefers may be a good step. Griefers (as in scammers) yes. Pirates, no. Pirates make up an integral part of the game. If they got rid of pirates, the 'do what you want' style of EVE would disappear. Yeah, you could still trade, rat, mine, be a carebear, whatever. You could still pirate in 0.0, but really all that is... is NBSI.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.30 05:49:00 - [50] There are no pirates in 0.0 Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.30 06:15:00 - [51] PvP: I get an odd feeling that "CCP hates pirates" is getting confused with "Pirates can't find PvP." Pirates aren't after PvP, they're after the cheapest, most effective, utter gank that they can find. There is no shortage of PvP to be found. Its everywhere. Highsec, lowsec, especially in 0.0. However, there is a shortage of stupid noobs willing to fly combat incapable ships around in lowsec for you to gank. You kill them once and they generally learn a lesson. Increasing the rewards in lowsec isn't going to give you more fat targets to gank. Really. There should be, and there apparently IS a shortage of people dumb enough to go to lowsec unprepared. Each time you kill someone in lowsec that isn't a fellow pirate, you're helping to maintain that status quo.
Strife Phoenix Acerbus Vindictum Nex Super Vos	Posted - 2007.10.30 09:47:00 - [52] OP sounds like your'e sad because you haven't figured out how to leave that small lowsec pit of your without getting ganked by the police since you got that blinky feature :D Plenty of other systems, with lots of prey if you dare press that jump button once in a while. Now.. Stop whining.. you are more emo than the entire carebear collective put together. Acerbus-Vindictum - Revelare Pecunia!
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2007.10.30 14:53:00 - [53] Originally by: Curzon Dax PvP: I get an odd feeling that "CCP hates pirates" is getting confused with "Pirates can't find PvP." Pirates aren't after PvP, they're after the cheapest, most effective, utter gank that they can find. There is no shortage of PvP to be found. Its everywhere. Highsec, lowsec, especially in 0.0. However, there is a shortage of stupid noobs willing to fly combat incapable ships around in lowsec for you to gank. You kill them once and they generally learn a lesson. Increasing the rewards in lowsec isn't going to give you more fat targets to gank. Really. There should be, and there apparently IS a shortage of people dumb enough to go to lowsec unprepared. Each time you kill someone in lowsec that isn't a fellow pirate, you're helping to maintain that status quo. Well to be fair - I shot down a Merlin - checked his age and realized how young he was - and I decided to make him a smarter player. Ganged with his pod and taught him how to use his directional scanner, and how to make some safe spots for scanning. He may have lost his ship - but he learned some easy basics in pvp that will be useful in the future - and perhaps bring him to low sec with friends for more action... __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Saint Luka The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.30 15:09:00 - [54] Originally by: Lord TYMAN Quit your jibber-jabber. ! You forgot a "foo" -
Mik kyo Gr0und Zer0	Posted - 2007.10.30 21:21:00 - [55] Originally by: Curzon Dax Pirates aren't after PvP, they're after the cheapest, most effective, utter gank that they can find. Your "I hate pirates" routine gets boring after a while TBH. Lower rewards for level 3's Move all level 4's to low sec. Increase ore value and rat loot/bounties in low sec. Make it so that corporations move to low sec to make isk... this rarely happens as it is, why? because they may as well move to 0.0
ponieus the united	Posted - 2007.10.30 21:45:00 - [56] Originally by: Mik kyo Originally by: Curzon Dax Pirates aren't after PvP, they're after the cheapest, most effective, utter gank that they can find. Your "I hate pirates" routine gets boring after a while TBH. Lower rewards for level 3's Move all level 4's to low sec. Increase ore value and rat loot/bounties in low sec. Make it so that corporations move to low sec to make isk... this rarely happens as it is, why? because they may as well move to 0.0 and according to everyone else thats where the "real" pvp is played at 5 frames a minute. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Reverend Revelator Elite Storm Enterprises	Posted - 2007.10.30 22:47:00 - [57] I'll just tell em what my daddy told me: 'You aint never gonna amount to nothing!' -- Dead People Laugh At The Murder Of Love --
Ewina Acoma	Posted - 2007.10.31 17:21:00 - [58] Edited by: Ewina Acoma on 31/10/2007 17:22:13 The low sec is like 0.0 without the "do what you want" possibility. 0.0 is always interested, because large corp can easily imagine to install themselves and pod little gangs like low-sec pirates. In Low sec, little corps are just not so foolish to want to stay with pirates. It is a no man's land. it is a war zone. CCP haven't the fault. suppress the warp to 0 and the last POS keeper will go. On the other side, add new concord's turret on the gates and you will see lot and lot of people. But pirates will die.
Feterous Jolin V i r u s	Posted - 2007.10.31 18:26:00 - [59] Firstly, i'd like to clarify, I don't fully agree with the OP. I do agree low sec could use a boost, and I think there are ample ways boost low sec systems without nerfing 0.0 which is in my opinion the major factor in CCP not simply "boosting" the value of low sec systems. It is not just a simple matter of low sec needing to have a value boost. Placing crokite, or bistot in low sec won't make it a better place. It would also devalue 0.0, which CCP does not want to do. You need to think of ways that will increase the attractiveness of low sec in different ways then the perks of a 0.0 life style. As many people have said before me, and I think many will agree, move all Level 4 missions into low sec, and boost level 5's (which i've heard are relativly crappy, but have no first hand proof >< ). Secondly, CCP needs to provide low sec with a purpose. Moving missions runners into low sec won't deal with the problem completely but if you can give it some value that you can not obtain in high sec, or in 0.0, you will create a sustainable population there. Perhaps explore areas that have potential like creating unique ships, mods, ammo for factions like the Sleepers, the Takmahl, the Talcon and the Yan Jung that would only be found in low sec by doing exploration, missions, etc. While i'm not nearly as imaginative as others, I think only by creating unique low sec content can you truely improve its value. Improving the value of low sec through unique content adds more depth and variety to the game, it provides a ways of moving more people out of high sec space, it provides a sustainable environment that would allow players and corporations to thrive despite the risk or piracy, and thus providing more "lucrative" targets for pirates. It also accomplishes these goals without devaluing 0.0, nor does it make low sec any safer. Wit the population increase in eve, the far greater number of pirates and pirate corps, and the lack of any real, true value to low sec, I see this as being the only real way of dealing with the problem. Now...I suppose without further ado, feel free to flame away
Azirapheal Amarr The Bastards	Posted - 2007.11.01 03:05:00 - [60] Originally by: Madla Mafia Actually...CCP hates Amarr. If you're an Amarr pirate, you might aswell quit the game. im ****** :(
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.01 05:31:00 - [61] Originally by: Mik kyo Originally by: Curzon Dax Pirates aren't after PvP, they're after the cheapest, most effective, utter gank that they can find. Your "I hate pirates" routine gets boring after a while TBH. Lower rewards for level 3's Move all level 4's to low sec. Increase ore value and rat loot/bounties in low sec. Make it so that corporations move to low sec to make isk... this rarely happens as it is, why? because they may as well move to 0.0 yawn Because THAT hasn't been discussed 10,000,000,000,000,000 times. Nerf the carebears, and they're going to stay in highsec, just doing less profitable things. And when corporations want to make ISK, they don't go to lowsec, they go to 0.0. Even if lowsec were MORE profitable than 0.0 - I really don't believe people would start moving in. And I don't hate pirates. I just hate the whiney ones who gripe because faction laden ships aren't regularly delivered onto their platter. Also the ones who sit on a gate in massive camps and crow about their killboards. Also the ones who talk about how awesome they are, but won't fight a carebear like me in a 1v1. Now, depending on your perspective, that could be inclusive of a large segment of the pirate population, eh?
Stuart Price Caldari Havoc Inc	Posted - 2007.11.01 05:51:00 - [62] Things that would make lowsec ace: 1. Black Market. 2. Better rats in Cosmic Anomolies (more battleships, less bleeding frigs and rogue drones). 3. Move all level 4+ agents into lowsec (I can dream ) 4. NERF MINMATAR GATES. Bloody things spit people out 50km from me 5. Free Exotic Dancers and Spirits in respawning cans randomly located in belts. 6. A GIANT ISK TREE IN A MAGIC BUBBLE. Some of the above ideas are not serious. Some are. "I got soul but I'm not a soldier"
Crimson Onyx the united	Posted - 2007.11.01 07:59:00 - [63] I can't believe this thread is still going :P but im enjoying the flame
Galan Amarias Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.11.01 09:26:00 - [64] Low sec is largely fine. I made decent midrange ISK there as a noob and had a great time chasing people and being chased. One change would help. Remove sec status increase from 0.0 rats. Make them all like the drones, loot, bounty sure, but NO SEC STATUS CHANGE. Then all the people who refuse to go redblinky will have to come to low sec to improve there standing. Though you'd need to boost the rate the low sec rats return status. Kill the 15min timer and that should be all it takes. -Galan The answer to empire ganking
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.01 09:39:00 - [65] I bet if you removed the security hit from shooting people with a negative security status, lowsec would populate more. =p
Tutomech	Posted - 2007.11.01 10:28:00 - [66] Originally by: Curzon Dax I bet if you removed the security hit from shooting people with a negative security status, lowsec would populate more. =p QFT. My corp had a deal with some pirate corp about renting a 0.3 space. I loved it. Gave us cheap access to low sec and the traffic generated by us lured more targets wannabe pirates into their trap. So both sides were happy. Also a note to pirate whine: I always thought that being pirate was EVE on hard mode. You want to be an admired and feared pirate. You chose your profession now deal with it. Getting rid of competition could bring more pilots to low sec too. IMHO there is too many predators in low sec. Why should I drag my carebear a in there, if I know there are camps 23/7 - no matter what the reward would be.** Makes me wonder... maybe pirating is not as hard as I thought and neds a nerf? -- signature --- Bah. Signatures suck.
Rudy Metallo Additional Pylons	Posted - 2007.11.01 10:59:00 - [67] Stop your complaining. I log off in a different region every night, and often make 50+ jumps a day looking for targets. In those 50 jumps, I will maybe find 20 viable targets, and get 4/5 fights. And I'm not constantly *****ing. Learn to roam tbh. -- We are the revolutionaries. We are the usurpers of the heavenly throne. We are the enemies of the Gods.
dodo dedere Beyond Divinity Inc Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.11.01 11:57:00 - [68] Edited by: dodo dedere on 01/11/2007 11:59:16 Quote: Have you or anyone found any single target in a belt on a consistant basis? Yes, I have, but Pirating isn't easy. Very often it wont pay the bills, Very often you will spend hours hunting targets just to have one warp of on you 1 second before you get a point Very often you will get blobbed but You know what I just dont care, when its good its very good, when its bad I log of and play another game for a while. I dont enjoy the kill as much as I enjoy the hunt, the almost had a kill, the just escaped by the skin of my teeth. Eve's not an FPS where 100's of zombies will stupidly walk towards you omgwtfpwn weapon and die. Deal with it oh and gotta agree with this: Quote: Actually...CCP hates Amarr. If you're an Amarr pirate, you might aswell quit the game. I was an amar pirate, I switched to a different race and now its miles more fun. Problem with Amar is that in 90% of Amar ships when you enter a fight you have to really commit to it. Theres no way of escape, either you die or the target dies. Thats not the case for Minmatar or Gallante
ObiAliKonobi the united	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:27:00 - [69] Wow! Nearly three pages of flame. However, the flames are ridiculous to be honest. Being a pirate is not easy. You try tanking the guns and your opponnent and see how you fair. You try making a living off of the pilots that pass-on-through your system. And you try fighting blobs that are especially fitted to kill you. No, it is not easy to be a pirate. Moreover, a low-sec pirate has a very limited ship choice. No, carebears, I can't pin people down in an inte or vaga and have my friends come in and pound them. Gate guns!. No, carebears, I cannot drop a 100km bubble and turkey shoot my opponents. I have to work. I have to factor in all those variables when I am hunting or gate camping. The original intent of my post was to get low-sec more liveable and more fun. Not all of us who play the game want to go to 00 and be involved in melodramas and slide-show fleet ops. Some of us like the small engagements and actually like seeing a smooth game. Lastly, love me or hate me, and other pirates, but low-sec is the bastard child of the game. It does need buffing. I just wanted that part of the game looked at a bit more. I just wanted the macro haulers dealt with. But I guess that will not happen Unsfe flying, Obi
Sweetpain Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:59:00 - [70] ccp hates nothing, well with the exception of what makes their workload increase. And players usually cause that. What ccp loves is the customer's money, thats why they do this in the first place. with our money they get their salery, it get the funds they need to improve the product they love to provide. ccp have stated again and again, that by doing things that by others could be considered piracy, you will chose a hard life to live in eve, and others will be upset of your actions. Right now low security provide a hideout for pirates, especially pirates that can't stay in empire or 0.0. If and when ccp improve low security space, it will become more interesting for the people that today stick to empire or 0.0, and that hideout will be taken away fromt he pirates that really need a hideout. At that point the very same pirates will file complaints that they have no place to be, no place in the game a "solo" pirate can operate without facing big fleets or gangs all the time. All of this ccp have to consider before making changes to what they have created, usually they can make 10 happy and 10 unhappy with the very same change to the game, but most of the times the community demand changes that will make 10 happy and 100 unhappy, but most people, even me don't see it that way, they only see what problem the game provide for me and my friends, and frakly we dont care about the 300 that would get their game ruined if our demands win trough, as long our game improves for me and my close friends in the game. so the question remains, Do you want a safe heaven in eve, a place to call your own backyard for your pirate career, or do you want to be under constant fire the moment you undock all the time as reward for your previous crimes? perhaps your one of the naive pirates that think that improvement to low security only will move down the empire carebears and not the hardcore 0.0 people, or perhaps the 0.0 gangs wont care if low security become more profitable then 0.0 and remain there just to be nice to you and your pirate friends.
Wigglytuff Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.02 14:11:00 - [71] Originally by: Stuart Price Things that would make lowsec ace: 1. Black Market. 2. Better rats in Cosmic Anomolies (more battleships, less bleeding frigs and rogue drones). 3. Move all level 4+ agents into lowsec (I can dream ) 4. NERF MINMATAR GATES. Bloody things spit people out 50km from me 5. Free Exotic Dancers and Spirits in respawning cans randomly located in belts. 6. A GIANT ISK TREE IN A MAGIC BUBBLE. Some of the above ideas are not serious. Some are. Moving lvl 4s to lowsec only would just screw pirates as well. Afterall, all those nice shiny faction mods pirates find on their victims tend to result from highsec lvl 4 spammers. If they spam level 3s, or die in every other lvl 4, they'll quit, and the supply goes down. That's the reader's digest version of it.
Pete Piper	Posted - 2007.11.02 14:51:00 - [72] Yes, CCP hates pirates and low sec so much that you can fly an virtually iwin super cap pwn machine in low sec, with little to no risk.
Zen Guerrilla Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.02 14:51:00 - [73] Originally by: ObiAliKonobi I am using repetition to make a point. This point revolves around the smacktards at CCP who make low-sec a worthless place to be in and the fact that they keep finding ways to make it worse and worse. OOOOH gas clouds. OOOOOH crap level 5s. THINK HARDER! OR Just keep on ignoring the problem. CCp is good at ignoring. Lastly, I just want to say this post was made out of frustration more than anything else. I really do love this game and hate to see the form of play that I love be mistreated and neglected. So if I am a bit harsh in me smacktalk please forgive me. Sometimes we get a bit emotional over the game. A pirate Moving stuff from 0.5+ to lowsec won't change ****. Carebears WILL stay in highsec. They'll just earn all their uber money slower. Those that don't want to pvp will not move. Personally, if i just want to run some missions, i find myself a nice 0.5 system. I tried running missions in lowsec. I had at least 1 pirate jump me daily. I managed to get out everytime but that was pure luck and bad pirates. Losing just one mission ship would throw me back so bad, it's not worth the risk. They'd have to at least triple rewards in lowsec to get me to think it over again. ----------------------------- Not an alt. And proud of it.
Ulstan Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.02 15:27:00 - [74] The pirate whines are rather revealing - pirating is supposed to be hardmode. Complaining that an endless stream of juicy haulers isn't parading their slow way into your gatecamp is just silly. You are supposed to get out and roam around. You aren't supposed to linger in one place for long. It should be damn hard for a single pirate to earn enough to fund his pirating, just from pirating. Otherwise, everyone would do it. Gangs of pirates camping gates killing noobs should almost always be unprofitable because it's massive overkill. Back when I was a pirat,e we always had to supplement our income from ratting or trading or even shudder mining. If you're sitting at a gate and camping it, piracy isn't hard enough. If certain gates/systems are always camped, it's too easy to camp those systems. If you are in an area and there are more pirates than non pirates, either it's too easy to be a pirate or too hard to be a non pirate. Why are you in low sec anyway? 0.0 gives better ore, rats, and rewards, so why not go pirate there? You wouldn't have to deal with gate guns or security standing losses. And you've already said that low sec space is too unpopulated for you, whereas many regions of 0.0 have quite healthy populations. Your plea to make low sec more 'enticing' is not going to go anywhere. I'll tell you the one thing that will make low sec more enticing to the people currently shunning low sec: reduce the ability of pirates to kill them there. Obviously that's not what you want to happen. People avoid low sec precisely because they do not wish to be killed by pirates. Yes, you can get better rats in low sec, better agents and agent rewards. That's great. But it's not enough to make up for the downsides -- not even close. How many hundreds of missions would a mission runner have to run to replace his kitted out ship if he lost it to pirates? How many more missions could he run if he wasn't having to constantly scan for pirates or warp out when someone dangerous showed up? There's an agent I'm running missions for who frequently gives missions in low sec. I always wind up having to stop and check the map. If 45 ships have been destroyed there in the last hour, it seems like it would be foolish for me to go over there too. So I...what...cancel the mission and then sit around twiddling my thumbs? That's not very efficient. And even if masses of ships haven't been destroyed, almost always a few have. So then I need to go climb into a scout ship, fly over there, warp aorund the system and see what's going on, determine if it's safe, go back, get my mission ship come back, and run the mission, always keeping sure to stay aligned for warp and watching local with an eagle eye. Part of the reason many people are so averse to having to face pirates is the utter incompatibility of PvP rigs with PvE rigs. If you are out doing anything NON pirating and a pirate jumps you, you are almost always massively outmatched, even for similar classes of ships, just because he's set up for PvP and you are not, because PvP rigs are not optimal for a single PvE activity in EVE. If an expensive mission ship rigged for maximum pve ownage was also rigged for maximum pvp ownage, maybe people would be willing to risk it. But why sign on for a fight you've lost before it even starts due to the disparity in equipped modules? Seriously, as a pirate, does the average missioning caracal have a chance in hell of defeating your pirate cruiser of choice? Nope. And people are smart enough to figure this out. This is, I feel, a significant failing in EVE. You don't really see this in other MMO's. If you're out grinding mobs in WoW or DAOC and some guy jumps you, you are already wearing the gear you need to effectively resist and kill him.
Ulstan Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.02 15:38:00 - [75] Also, it's ironic that alliance owned 0.0 is far far safer than lowsec. (And few people are idiots enough to wander around in a PvE rig in non alliance low sec). Yet, 0.0 is supposed to have greater rewards than lowsec (and does). To make lowsec enticing enough to tempt people to come out and get their expensive 2b missioning ships wrecked by pirates, you'd have to make the lowsec rewards far greater than what you're getting from 0.0. I think the solution is to go try to pirate in 0.0. Yes yes, it will be harder as the characters will generally have better gear, nearer backup, better coordination, and be more ready to fight you than will the average noob in lowsec.. But hey, if you have no targets in low sec... Think of it as the dilemma pirates on the Spanish trade routes in real life faced: eventually ships stopped running around singly and unarmed, and began travelling in vast heavily guarded well armed convoys. They had a choice between few targets and very tough targets. I really do like the diversity of ships for specific roles in EVE and feel that it adds a great touch of realism. However, it's much different than in many other MMO's. If I want to mine in WoW, I buy a mining pick, stick it in my pack, put on my best gear, and then with a weapon in one hand and the mining pick in the other I head out. If someone attacks me I am equipped to deal with them. Now if I want to mine in EVE, I strip naked, leave all my weapons at home, and tie my feet together so I can't move fast. That's fine, but making pve gear so unsuitable for PvP gear means that almost all PvP is going to be more or less consensual, which is not what a pirate wants.
Krows	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:47:00 - [76] Very true Ulstan, 0.0 pirating is currently the only real way to go for more profit; just gotta keep an eye on that map for bubble camps ;). Even then, finding a major trade lane for an alliance is a great way to occasionally catch a hauler. What I say here... does not reflect on my corp or alliance.
Ja'kar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.11.02 20:14:00 - [77] It's what happens when you deplete an area of prey. Over kill and your prey moves away. Find another spot to hunt in. Yeeaaaaah its all his fault CCP have not done a thing to weaken piracy in low sec.... r u playing the same game as me??? this should be called alliance warfare...
Ja'kar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.11.02 20:20:00 - [78] Edited by: Ja''kar on 02/11/2007 20:22:30 just a few more points 1 WT0 2 privater nerf 3 Alliance can move items to and from low sec in capitals - should be only allowed in haulers or bs anmd smaller (freighter's) 4 CCP are lazy and profit hungry corporation that does not care about the spirit of eve only the money 5 WTO Ulstan with respect ur talking rubbish
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.11.02 21:28:00 - [79] Originally by: Curzon Dax Dude. When your lowsec experience solely consists of blobbing a gate in lowsec, complete with capitals and occassionally a mothership, STFU. You're a carebear. Speaking from experience, I can say that this is almost a must nowadays in low sec. I say make it so cap ships cannot use their fighters in low sec (only 0.0) and improve the attractiveness of low sec so as to entice corpses- err carebears to come there and we got ourselves one fun EVE. Isn't it funny how we always talk about carebears like they're an object or NPC? ============================================== Freelancer 2 Petition
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.11.02 21:44:00 - [80] TBH, carebears, leet pvpers, pirates, chuck noris, whoever. Just more people who want to fight in lowsec and I will be happy. I still enjoy lowsec because slugfests under the sentrys still happen and they are my fav fights :). 0.0 can keep its nanogangs and lagfleets thanks very much.
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.11.02 21:57:00 - [81] Originally by: MITSUK0 TBH, carebears, leet pvpers, pirates, chuck noris, whoever. Just more people who want to fight in lowsec and I will be happy. I still enjoy lowsec because slugfests under the sentrys still happen and they are my fav fights :). 0.0 can keep its nanogangs and lagfleets thanks very much. Those nano-gangs and lag fleets are leaking into low sec though. RARELY do I engage an Ishtar or any recon and find it going less than 4000 m/s, and capitals are a viable low sec PvP option. EVE low sec is on the path to destruction. Question: Is EVE just in a bad transitionary phase? Or is CCP selling out to the WoW Syndrome of Money > Quality. ============================================== Freelancer 2 Petition
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:00:00 - [82] Originally by: Curzon Dax Also the ones who talk about how awesome they are, but won't fight a carebear like me in a 1v1. Probably because 1 vs 1 are usually traps and no self respecting pirate without a deathwish will go 1 vs 1 ESPECIALLY with a "carebear like you" as you put it. Lets try and not make this thread about the completely 100% pure awesome-juice PvP ability of Curzon Dax and his sidekick (some chick that steals soda apparently). ============================================== Freelancer 2 Petition
Feterous Jolin V i r u s	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:07:00 - [83] I've spent much of my time in eve living and fighting in 0.0. Why do I avoid 0.0 these days? Bubbles, chokepoint mega camps including everyone's fav carriers and moms and of course roaming nano fleets with no gate guns to have to worry about. The bulk of ratters i've seen lately are macro ratters and will cloak when they see people enter system. Trying to bag yourself good targets in 0.0 is likely to get you blobbed, or cornered by bubble camps, and super caps. I'm not complaining, i'm just pointing out that 0.0 combat is and should be different from low sec "pirating". Nothing wrong with either and both have thier perks as well as weaknesses. I agree with the fact that many people are pointing out that people check the map and go hmmm, 42 pod kills in the last hour, maybe ill go around...most people are not totally stupid...but to the complaints that low sec doesnt need a bit of a boost these days, is kind of redic. THERE IS LITTLE TO NO POINT FOR CORPS TO LIVE IN LOW SEC. Most will find a small niche in 0.0 and even pay rent to make way more isk in 0.0 then in low sec. There are not even good missions to bring people to low sec. Capitals move alliance goods more often then freighters these days and now with capital ORE ships, you will see even less miner/haulers in low sec. There are many reasons to boost low sec, for pirates, and for corporations/alliances. I just say rather then move content from one place to another, you give low sec a true purpose. Make it a unique experiance. Make low sec fun again.
Soren Cassion Caldari Cassion Enterprises	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:20:00 - [84] One of the problems in this game is that pirates (and griefers) can hunt anyone with little penalty, yet someone with decent Sec status cannot fire on someone with a low Sec status without incurring penalties. Combined with the PvE/PvP differences in mod choice, this game separates PvE and PvP players more than any other I've seen. I'm sick of people that PvE players are all Carebears. If a PvE player does not want to fight you, it's because the game doesn't support it. He will lose. My biggest vote is for the ability to sell/trade bounties. If a noob gets ganked, he should be able to sell or trade off the kill rights to the person who ganked him. A legitimite bounty hunter would pay good money for the right to hunt and kill a known pirate in Empire. Piracy would be a legit profession, and so would bounty hunting. You could even have NPC factions purchase kill rights, just to up the ante a little. It would be nice to see a bounty sold to a faction reduce the pirate's standing with that faction. This would be called roleplaying, for those unfamiliar with the concept. Players getting ganked could sell to a PC bounty hunter, or sell to their chosen faction, thereby reducing the ability of the pirate to interact with that faction. Piracy should be tough. In Eve, it's generally too easy, IMO. I have little respect for pirates in Eve. Hearing them complain about "the Man" taking away their ability to perform as pirates just makes me laugh.
William DeMeo Gallente the united	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:29:00 - [85] Obi has a point, the only reason for an experienced player to come to lowsec is for pvp. Because ones you get past the frig stage there's **** all that makes it worth it to go to lowsec. While I don't mind fighting people who fight back, I'd be happy if CCP added something you can make money of in lowsec so I don't have to beg for isk when I get disconnected and lose a rigged ishtar (again). Yarr
Feterous Jolin V i r u s	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:30:00 - [86] Originally by: Soren Cassion One of the problems in this game is that pirates (and griefers) can hunt anyone with little penalty, yet someone with decent Sec status cannot fire on someone with a low Sec status without incurring penalties. Combined with the PvE/PvP differences in mod choice, this game separates PvE and PvP players more than any other I've seen. I'm sick of people that PvE players are all Carebears. If a PvE player does not want to fight you, it's because the game doesn't support it. He will lose. My biggest vote is for the ability to sell/trade bounties. If a noob gets ganked, he should be able to sell or trade off the kill rights to the person who ganked him. A legitimite bounty hunter would pay good money for the right to hunt and kill a known pirate in Empire. Piracy would be a legit profession, and so would bounty hunting. You could even have NPC factions purchase kill rights, just to up the ante a little. It would be nice to see a bounty sold to a faction reduce the pirate's standing with that faction. This would be called roleplaying, for those unfamiliar with the concept. Players getting ganked could sell to a PC bounty hunter, or sell to their chosen faction, thereby reducing the ability of the pirate to interact with that faction. Piracy should be tough. In Eve, it's generally too easy, IMO. I have little respect for pirates in Eve. Hearing them complain about "the Man" taking away their ability to perform as pirates just makes me laugh. hehe, no you make me laugh. First of all, pirates take a huge hit. They can not enter high sec in a ship, um, ever. Which means logistics become very important and are a pain in the ass. Secondly, have you tried to make money as a pirate? It's not the best. I can make billions from invention, capital production, mining, mission running or whatever else I want to do in very little time. Unless you get really lucky as a pirate, you don't make much more then to get by. Piracy for me is not about isk. It's about enjoyment. Are the kills easy? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Do I run from a "fair" fight? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I don't want a fair fight, I want a winnable fight. And being a pirate lets me pick the fights I want, with the people I want to fight with and most of the time i am going to win. About the sec hits for "antipirates", firstly im a -9+ which means no hit for you, ever. Secondly, should you attack a -4.9 pirate and take a small hit, so be it, its not like its going to keep you out of jita... bounty Hunters...meh, its called hire a merc to get yours hands dirty if you are incapable of doing it yourself. Mercs will war dec or be willing to take a hit themselves for the right price. Question is, can you pay the price? If not, maybe you need not to be in low sec nubbing it up. Anyway, my point is, maybe know what your talking about before you post. K. Thx. Bye.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:41:00 - [87] Originally by: ObiAliKonobi Some of us like the small engagements I had to stop reading there so I could wipe the tears of laughter out of my eyes. You and your massive gatecamps in Rancer with mothership / carrier / dread support create as much lag as a 0.0 fleet engagement. small engagements. HAAAAAhaaahaaaa. This thread hasn't been flaming you, its been scoffing at the idea that you're playing the pirate with wounded pride who can't find honorable fights, blah blah. You've been told repeatedly in here. Move on. Find another lowsec system. EVE CONSISTS OF MORE THAN JUST RANCER. I promise.
Crimson Onyx the united	Posted - 2007.11.03 05:23:00 - [88] Originally by: Curzon Dax Originally by: ObiAliKonobi Some of us like the small engagements I had to stop reading there so I could wipe the tears of laughter out of my eyes. You and your massive gatecamps in Rancer with mothership / carrier / dread support create as much lag as a 0.0 fleet engagement. small engagements. HAAAAAhaaahaaaa. This thread hasn't been flaming you, its been scoffing at the idea that you're playing the pirate with wounded pride who can't find honorable fights, blah blah. You've been told repeatedly in here. Move on. Find another lowsec system. EVE CONSISTS OF MORE THAN JUST RANCER. I promise. I quite like the roids in rancer. True Fact: There is a ice field in rancer muahah :P
Ulstan Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.03 20:43:00 - [89] I suppose a good question to ask his, how many ships do pirates think should be destroyed by them, per day, in a low sec system immediately adjacent to empire systems? Just saying "I want more targets" is nice, who doesn't? How many targets do you think you should have? Then we can compare that to the number of people actually dying in low sec to pirates and see how big a gap there is. So speak up, forlorn gate camping pirates - how many people do you think should get blown up daily by pirates, per system?
Smacktalking Alt	Posted - 2007.11.03 22:52:00 - [90] I go to M&E, and see people complain that CCP caters to low-sec pirates. I go to C&P, and see people complaining that CCP caters to high-sec hugging carebears. Looks balanced to me.
Kessiaan	Posted - 2007.11.04 01:58:00 - [91] I think the fundamental problem is that some pirates don't seem to understand that all of their 'targets' are going to do their absolute best to avoid them. Skilled pirates understand this and keep moving. Unskilled pirates / piebears sit in the same system and wonder where all their target sare. ----- My in Eve Profile
Morfane The IMorral MAjority	Posted - 2007.11.04 02:10:00 - [92] Edited by: Morfane on 04/11/2007 02:09:51 Originally by: Sainna Taking a long shot here but... ...getting rid of pirates/griefers may be a good step. Uhh... do you realize that pirates make the galaxy go round? /emote adds Brotherhood of the Spider to "the list"
Wolf 10 Purgers	Posted - 2007.11.04 02:13:00 - [93] Why is everyone so damn rude to CCP. They made the F***ing game! You wouldn't be playing at all if it wasn't for them. If you don't like something they do then just say like a normal person.
Morfane The IMorral MAjority	Posted - 2007.11.04 02:14:00 - [94] Edited by: Morfane on 04/11/2007 02:14:56 Originally by: Xzar Fyrarr A)They should help me with my scanning skill's. They need to make PVP more of an option in EvE. They need to make .1 - .4 automatically into pvp zone's aka , WoW terf. I don't find targets on a constant basis CCP plz replI kTHNXBAI FISCED Noob much? Optional combat ala WoW would decimate this game into the annals of history. EDIT: Im pretty drunk, and if this was sarcastic, then it was funny.
William DeMeo Gallente the united	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:22:00 - [95] Originally by: Curzon Dax Originally by: ObiAliKonobi Some of us like the small engagements I had to stop reading there so I could wipe the tears of laughter out of my eyes. You and your massive gatecamps in Rancer with mothership / carrier / dread support create as much lag as a 0.0 fleet engagement. small engagements. HAAAAAhaaahaaaa. This thread hasn't been flaming you, its been scoffing at the idea that you're playing the pirate with wounded pride who can't find honorable fights, blah blah. You've been told repeatedly in here. Move on. Find another lowsec system. EVE CONSISTS OF MORE THAN JUST RANCER. I promise. Who the hell are you? I recognize your name and your smack but I can't quite put my finger on it. Yarr
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.11.04 23:44:00 - [96] listening to what eris said at fanfest (no i didnt get to go, some guy posted a recording ) ccp hates the carebears
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.05 03:55:00 - [97] ^^ WHat he said. Also breaking the page spam.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.11.05 06:06:00 - [98] Originally by: Curzon Dax ^^ WHat he said. Also breaking the page spam. speaking of 3-4 word repiles that dont add anything to the thread :-" (if we take the "WHat he said." as the content and "Also breaking the page spam." as nonsense spam, i count 3 words)
Ja'kar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.11.05 09:18:00 - [99] HERE IS LITTLE TO NO POINT FOR CORPS TO LIVE IN LOW SEC. Most will find a small niche in 0.0 and even pay rent to make way more isk in 0.0 then in low sec. There are not even good missions to bring people to low sec. Capitals move alliance goods more often then freighters these days and now with capital ORE ships, you will see even less miner/haulers in low sec.t what he said - think this would be a better boost to low sec than most - very needed
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.05 09:21:00 - [100] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Curzon Dax ^^ WHat he said. Also breaking the page spam. speaking of 3-4 word repiles that dont add anything to the thread :-" (if we take the "WHat he said." as the content and "Also breaking the page spam." as nonsense spam, i count 3 words) "Where are you guys going in your battleships?" "We are going to camp in Amamake; kill 500 carebears and 1 NPC" "Why are you gonna kill an NPC?" "See, nobody cares about the carebears!" [BEES]
Exlegion Caldari New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.05 12:26:00 - [101] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton listening to what eris said at fanfest (no i didnt get to go, some guy posted a recording ) ccp hates the carebears Could you post a link or explain what was said? Thanks in advance. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Ulstan Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.05 17:09:00 - [102] Quote: Enough to keep me shooting all day is enough. And how many would that be? Numbers people, numbers. How many ships totaly do you typically blow up in a day? (Counting all ships, not just the ones you think are 'worth' it.) How many would you like to blow up? Most pirates have wildly inflated ideas of the numbers of targets they should be getting per day, to the extent that in order to satisfy the urges of the 5% of the population that is pirates, the entire rest of EVE's population would have to lose a ship per day to them :p The idea that you can become a pirate and have an endless stream of targets to mow down all day is just absurd: if that were ever to happen, it would mean being a pirate was far far too easy. A pirate's life is supposed to be hard, it's supposed to be difficult earning income. It's supposed to be the most challenging least rewarding 'career' in the game. It's supposed to take creativity and innovation and involve a lot of risks. Long term gate camping with caps in low sec is not piracy, so don't complain if it's not fun and/or profitable enough. Obviously people will avoid your system as much as possible.
William DeMeo Gallente the united	Posted - 2007.11.05 17:54:00 - [103] Originally by: Ulstan Quote: Enough to keep me shooting all day is enough. And how many would that be? Numbers people, numbers. How many ships totaly do you typically blow up in a day? (Counting all ships, not just the ones you think are 'worth' it.) How many would you like to blow up? Most pirates have wildly inflated ideas of the numbers of targets they should be getting per day, to the extent that in order to satisfy the urges of the 5% of the population that is pirates, the entire rest of EVE's population would have to lose a ship per day to them :p The idea that you can become a pirate and have an endless stream of targets to mow down all day is just absurd: if that were ever to happen, it would mean being a pirate was far far too easy. A pirate's life is supposed to be hard, it's supposed to be difficult earning income. It's supposed to be the most challenging least rewarding 'career' in the game. It's supposed to take creativity and innovation and involve a lot of risks. Long term gate camping with caps in low sec is not piracy, so don't complain if it's not fun and/or profitable enough. Obviously people will avoid your system as much as possible. Yes I want an endless stream of kills please. Yarr
Ja'kar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.11.05 20:36:00 - [104] A pirate's life is supposed to be hard, it's supposed to be difficult earning income. It's supposed to be the most challenging least rewarding 'career' in the game. It's supposed to take creativity and innovation and involve a lot of risks. yes and pirates come with new ideas and ways of getting targets and what happened nerf, nerf, nerf, WT0 and cargo and be jumped across space by capital ship where is the traffic? lets have haulers moving items through low sec and stuff in low sec that ppl want so there can be more targets!!!
Mik kyo Gr0und Zer0	Posted - 2007.11.08 16:39:00 - [105] I'm looking forward to the cargo carrier nerf, hopefully we will see more convoys heading for 0.0 :) And I disagree Curzon, with rewards in low sec being significantly greater we will see more corporations trying to control space and fighting against piracy.
Thann Starlinbow Minmatar Dark Star LTD Atrocitas	Posted - 2007.11.08 16:45:00 - [106] its me, i r teh ccp that iz hating teh pirates in da op. Sorry, couldn't help myself.
William DeMeo Gallente the united	Posted - 2007.11.08 17:04:00 - [107] Originally by: Mik kyo I'm looking forward to the cargo carrier nerf, hopefully we will see more convoys heading for 0.0 :) And I disagree Curzon, with rewards in low sec being significantly greater we will see more corporations trying to control space and fighting against piracy. Well it'll just be replaced by the new T2 freighters tbh. Yarr
Ulstan Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.08 17:05:00 - [108] Quote: yes and pirates come with new ideas and ways of getting targets and what happened nerf, nerf, nerf, WT0 and cargo and be jumped across space by capital ship where is the traffic? lets have haulers moving items through low sec and stuff in low sec that ppl want so there can be more targets!!! You guys have it backwards. Haulers will avoid systems pirates are in. No intelligent player is going to load up their hauler with juicy items and head through low sec, because there are tons of pirates in low sec perpetually camping the gates. The only way for there to be more targets is for there to be less piracy. As low sec becomes 'safer' there will be more targets. As it becomes 'less safe' the number of targets will decrease. This will be true independent of whatever CCP does. If the highest profits involve going through unsafe low sec space, players will simply settle for less profitable, but safer endeavors. There are far, far, far more pirates active now than there were 3 years ago. Then you could happily rat all day in low sec empire space and hardly ever need to warp out from a pirate. You could make 20 jumps without seeing a pirate at a gate camp. Now you see about 50-60-70 ships killed in any low sec zone bordering empire space, and if you do more than 5 jumps in low sec you're just about guaranteed to run into a gate camp, often with 10-12 people. Ergo, pirating has gotten far too easy and far too widespread. People react to this (sensibly) by staying the hell away from low sec. Seriously, if you blob camp the same gate in low sec day after day, you have no business complaining that you get no traffic. DUH. Of course not. If you want to be a succesful pirate you have to roam around and strike where you're not expected. Having your 'usual gate camp' is the complete antithesis of this.
DeckardIRL The Randoms THE V I G I L	Posted - 2007.11.08 17:10:00 - [109] Have to say low sec is broken. Was having an EveO smackfest with a Gooner last thursday night... something about him being drunk... as I was drunk and it was a Goon I couldn't resist. Anyhow you will notice if you find the thread in CAOD I think.. that I disappear from the thread... this is due to me passing out... however, at the time I was in my fully T2 fitted Mega with a full set of +4's in my head. I was roaming Placid for piewats to kill and was coming up empty. At the time of my passing out I was sitting on the Stacmon gate in Ostingele. When I woke up 6 hours later I was still there unscathed!!!! Heheheeee I laughed and quickly docked.. and went back to sleep.. Deck Whiskey For CAOD at its best
William DeMeo Gallente the united	Posted - 2007.11.08 17:49:00 - [110] Originally by: DeckardIRL Have to say low sec is broken. Was having an EveO smackfest with a Gooner last thursday night... something about him being drunk... as I was drunk and it was a Goon I couldn't resist. Anyhow you will notice if you find the thread in CAOD I think.. that I disappear from the thread... this is due to me passing out... however, at the time I was in my fully T2 fitted Mega with a full set of +4's in my head. I was roaming Placid for piewats to kill and was coming up empty. At the time of my passing out I was sitting on the Stacmon gate in Ostingele. When I woke up 6 hours later I was still there unscathed!!!! Heheheeee I laughed and quickly docked.. and went back to sleep.. Deck See? when jita gets overcrowded teleport people to random lowsec systems! Yarr
Thann Starlinbow Minmatar Dark Star LTD Atrocitas	Posted - 2007.11.08 17:51:00 - [111] Originally by: DeckardIRL Have to say low sec is broken. Was having an EveO smackfest with a Gooner last thursday night... something about him being drunk... as I was drunk and it was a Goon I couldn't resist. Anyhow you will notice if you find the thread in CAOD I think.. that I disappear from the thread... this is due to me passing out... however, at the time I was in my fully T2 fitted Mega with a full set of +4's in my head. I was roaming Placid for piewats to kill and was coming up empty. At the time of my passing out I was sitting on the Stacmon gate in Ostingele. When I woke up 6 hours later I was still there unscathed!!!! Heheheeee I laughed and quickly docked.. and went back to sleep.. Deck I saw you there. We thought you were AFK but didn't think anyone would have left a mega sitting afk on that particular gate.
Mr Rive Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.11.08 22:17:00 - [112] Originally by: DeckardIRL Have to say low sec is broken. Was having an EveO smackfest with a Gooner last thursday night... something about him being drunk... as I was drunk and it was a Goon I couldn't resist. Anyhow you will notice if you find the thread in CAOD I think.. that I disappear from the thread... this is due to me passing out... however, at the time I was in my fully T2 fitted Mega with a full set of +4's in my head. I was roaming Placid for piewats to kill and was coming up empty. At the time of my passing out I was sitting on the Stacmon gate in Ostingele. When I woke up 6 hours later I was still there unscathed!!!! Heheheeee I laughed and quickly docked.. and went back to sleep.. Deck See even in his drunken state deckard is a genious! he knew no one dare touch him on that particular gate, and therefore his (probably tech one worst named) blaster mega survived! genious!
Ja'kar MAFIA	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:36:00 - [113] Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/11/2007 23:39:14 Ulstan Not sure how long u been in game m8 - but back in the day pirate camps were just as hard if not harder and we did not have the tools/knowledge to get by them. I miss the old days - but the truth of the matter is piracy is not killin low sec. There are many reasons why low sec is crap and pirates are not the only reason or the major reason. I can tell you this if any other player style got hit as much as pirates (missioning for example) there would be a much bigger stink.
Vrabac Amarr BALKAN EXPRESS	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:57:00 - [114] From my 1 year low sec experience, these kinds of people can be found in low sec today: 1) Pirates/PvPers of some other kind - same actually. They are after the same thing you are and are more often than not either in packs or in some vaga/rapier/eos/myrmidon/whatever pwnmobile (this is my way of screaming "I'm Amarr" ) 2) X day old members of noob corps in shield tanked Omens armed with small railguns that somehow every time manage to fit explosion dampening fields in Blood/Sansha areas 3) Macro haulers - uncountable legions of zombies going around carrying crappy mission items There is, speaking in a simplified way, no one else. Why? Because no one with a clue will go to low sec other than get some pvp (which is gettin elisive because of lack of people). What is there to do other than fight? Mine Jaspet. lol Kill 50k bounty rats. lol Die. lol In other words, all those people who dont want pvp and know this will stay out. Yes, OF COURSE you will catch a raven in belt here and there, e-bay does wonders in combination with stupidity or ignorance. And yes haulers simply have no choice but to travel through it. But, and I wasnt around that long, back in the day I started out belts were crowded in comparison to this. Buddy and I were roaming around with Kestrel and Punisher and owning everyone. Now its all gates gates gates... beh. P.S. Sorry if someone else said this, ranting took over and I couldnt stop.
Deusz Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.11.09 01:54:00 - [115] Originally by: DeckardIRL Anyhow you will notice if you find the thread in CAOD I think.. that I disappear from the thread... this is due to me passing out... however, at the time I was in my fully T2 fitted Mega with a full set of +4's in my head. I was roaming Placid for piewats to kill and was coming up empty. At the time of my passing out I was sitting on the Stacmon gate in Ostingele. When I woke up 6 hours later I was still there unscathed!!!! Heheheeee I laughed and quickly docked.. and went back to sleep.. Deck Conclusive proof that the cure to low-sec being pants, is for CCP to provide us all with free beers :D
Xela Dioved	Posted - 2007.11.09 04:35:00 - [116] The solution plot of this system is a circle graphed with relation to the population of Rabbits(carebears) and Foxes(pirates) over time, with the center located at the equilibrium points (df/,br/). It is a circle because as the number of rabbits increases, the number of foxes increase, but then there are too many foxes, so the rabbit population decreases. As the rabbit population decreases, more foxes start to die, and both populations go down. After enough foxes have perished, the rabbits regenerates, and the cycle repeats. So.. Kill some Pirates or make more carebears = more targets.
Praxis1452	Posted - 2007.11.09 06:25:00 - [117] Originally by: Vrabac From my 1 year low sec experience, these kinds of people can be found in low sec today: 1) Pirates/PvPers of some other kind - same actually. They are after the same thing you are and are more often than not either in packs or in some vaga/rapier/eos/myrmidon/whatever pwnmobile (this is my way of screaming "I'm Amarr" ) 2) X day old members of noob corps in shield tanked Omens armed with small railguns that somehow every time manage to fit explosion dampening fields in Blood/Sansha areas 3) Macro haulers - uncountable legions of zombies going around carrying crappy mission items There is, speaking in a simplified way, no one else. Why? Because no one with a clue will go to low sec other than get some pvp (which is gettin elisive because of lack of people). What is there to do other than fight? Mine Jaspet. lol Kill 50k bounty rats. lol Die. lol In other words, all those people who dont want pvp and know this will stay out. Yes, OF COURSE you will catch a raven in belt here and there, e-bay does wonders in combination with stupidity or ignorance. And yes haulers simply have no choice but to travel through it. But, and I wasnt around that long, back in the day I started out belts were crowded in comparison to this. Buddy and I were roaming around with Kestrel and Punisher and owning everyone. Now its all gates gates gates... beh. P.S. Sorry if someone else said this, ranting took over and I couldnt stop. The only decent kills are mission runners.
Mr Bodacious mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.09 07:51:00 - [118] 90% of pirates in EVE aren't pirates. They drink red bull and sit on ventrilo with their other friends, all the while *****ing "your mom" and fart jokes while waiting for a solitary hauler or mission runner to pop through the gate they are camping. While this is seriously stupid, it is not entirely due to their lack of ability to accomplish anything but a basic gate camp. Low sec space has NO REASON for mission runners/haulers/miners to be anywhere but docked or at a gate, flying to the next one. Therefore, you only see gate camps... because thats the only place there is pvp to be had. Course, you'll find an oddball in a belt every now and then but if you bust em up once, guaranteed nobody will be coming back a second time. I can sometimes fly around solo for an entire day and not find a single target off a gate.. Its really sad. Needs some new life breathed into low sec.
William DeMeo Gallente the united	Posted - 2007.11.09 15:35:00 - [119] Originally by: Mr Bodacious 90% of pirates in EVE aren't pirates. They drink red bull and sit on ventrilo with their other friends, all the while *****ing "your mom" and fart jokes while waiting for a solitary hauler or mission runner to pop through the gate they are camping. While this is seriously stupid, it is not entirely due to their lack of ability to accomplish anything but a basic gate camp. Low sec space has NO REASON for mission runners/haulers/miners to be anywhere but docked or at a gate, flying to the next one. Therefore, you only see gate camps... because thats the only place there is pvp to be had. Course, you'll find an oddball in a belt every now and then but if you bust em up once, guaranteed nobody will be coming back a second time. I can sometimes fly around solo for an entire day and not find a single target off a gate.. Its really sad. Needs some new life breathed into low sec. Wtf is wrong with social behavior on the internetz? And yes, making lowsec more profitable to attract shiny targets is EXACTLY what this thread is all about. And by the way, if you don't like gatecamping because there's no challenge, then where's the challenge in probing down mission runners? Or in killing miners? Or going around in commandship gangs of 10 blowing up 1 or 2 noob battlecruisers in belts? It's all the same, so be a little less judging mkay. Yarr
Ulstan Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.09 17:37:00 - [120] Quote: Not sure how long u been in game m8 - but back in the day pirate camps were just as hard if not harder and we did not have the tools/knowledge to get by them I started playing over 3 years ago, but I've taken loooong breaks. I used to be in a pirate corp, and we would gate camp, lock people up (with uber overpowered sensor dampeners and webbers) and hold them for ransom. Good fun. It was a lot harder to get by gate camps then, unless you fitted multiple mwd's or had all the right bookmarks. And yet, there were far far fewer pirates out there. Most of low sec was 'safe' you could rat in the belts quite happily. That's what I did when we weren't doing stuff together as a corp. Now a days, low sec is crawling with pirates. Quote: The only decent kills are mission runners. I've come to the conclusion that you'd have to be insane to mission in low sec. Or do anything there, really, when there are gangs of 8 pirates camping the gates. Your expensive mission running raven or w/e is compeltely useless in pvp and could probably be taken out with ease by a solo pirate, let alone a gang of them. Then your 2 billion faction fitted ship just went up in smoke. Do you have any idea how dramatically they'd have to boost the low sec rewards to make that risk worth it in most peoples minds? Folks would have to be raking in about 250 million per mission in low sec to seriously tempt them to take their stuff out there. I've tried doing missions in low sec, because the agents and rewards are slightly better. Had many close run ins/narrow escapes/immediate warpouts with pirates and times where I just couldn't do something because the system was full of pirates. That cuts seriously into your productivity time. Eventually I jumped into a system just as a whole pirate gang jmped in (only 1 kill in the system in the last hour, bad timing!) and they fried my ship. I looked at what I'd lost, about 6 million (caracal with dirt cheap fittings mostly, would have been more if they'd killed the pod, as they nearly did), and decided I'd have to be making about a million per mission in low sec to make it worth it to me in terms of risk vs reward, given how frequently pirates showed up. That'd be boosting the rewards by a factor of about 10. In a way, the completely binary nature of pirating combined with the tremendous value of most expensive mission running ships is making it really hard to balance. You either don't see a pirate at all, or they vaporize your 2 billion isk CNR. It's incredibly difficult to make the rewards enough so that people are willing to risk losing the 2 billion ship, but not make them so high so that people who are lucky enough to not see a pirate in an entire day of missioning don't make a killing.
gpfwestie	Posted - 2007.11.11 16:43:00 - [121] Edited by: gpfwestie on 11/11/2007 16:43:53 There are plenty of targets in lo-sec. Theres all those other pirates that are whining about no targets being in lo-sec for a start. Suggest this thread is a good start for names to run through a locater agent.
NightHaunter Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.11 21:06:00 - [122] Griefing people = canceled accounts. Canceled accounts are bad for CCP's business, don't cut into CCPs business. You can't fight the man.
Sebastian Dawngreeter Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.12 12:09:00 - [123] This post is going to sound pretty hilarious to most of you, I wager. Bit I've had them thoughts rolling around in this noggin o' mine. And this thread seemed like the place to vocalize them. Gather 'round, ye wizened folk, and bask in the lulz that are me. I'm nigh three weeks old, still on a trial account (thanks White Wolf) and hopping around around in a Stabber I don't think I can fly properly as of yet. I have Minmatar Cruiser on 3, decent gunnery skills, navigation and shield skills that leave something to be desired but not all that poor for a char this young (or at least so I assume, knowing full well what assuming makes you). Mission running is all I do currently. And here comes the fun part. From day one I've been in low-sec. Seemed a bit strange at first, that the first agent my tutorial pointed me to was in 0.3 space. Since then I switched two agents and the best ones were consistently in 0.3 space. For a time I contemplated on the idea that I might be, oh I don't know, out of my mind for staying in low-sec. But the only time I was killed was when I engaged some destroyer-packing Angel rats while in a Rifter, after about 10 days of playing, much to amusement and very appreciated comradery of a nearby Amarr pilot who really had no reason to be nice to me. So my personal experience seemed to clash with what I've been reading on the forums. There was no impending doom over my shoulder and while I did see red-blinking people while doing 10-odd jumps to get new equipment, I was never actually attacked. So I figured what the hell, and I decided to stay in low-sec until my personal experience shows me exactly how bad an idea that is. The reason I'm sharing this with the rest of you is that from everything I can see in this thread, I should've been used for target practice all the time. Which I wasn't. I'm telling myself that this owes to the fact that most pirates would find hunting me down a waste of time and probably not worth the ammo they'd spend while shooting me down. But still, my experience seems to be out of sync with what is said here. So - what gives, I ask thee fair ladies and manly gentlemen? Am I a statistical improbability? Am I accidentally located in the one and only bit of low-sec where noobs aren't shot at just for the lulz? Are there, gasp, more people with experiences like mine? To conclude, I honestly don't intend to leave low-sec. The mission money is nice, I'm at a point where I dare engage smaller rat gangs and every once in a while I get to see battleships blasting each other somewhere in the distance as I run, run, run towards the nearest starbase. It's a thrill. And one which might cost me quite a bit at some point when my luck runs out, I imagine (worthy to note might be the fact that currently I can't even afford to buy a new Stabber, should I lose this one). Now point and laugh, please. I would hate to feel left out. -- Of course there is no us and them But them, they do not think the same
Raukho	Posted - 2007.11.12 12:22:00 - [124] I'm sure it has been said before but: Why don't you go hunt other pirates afraid to loose your ship?
Tauranon	Posted - 2007.11.12 13:52:00 - [125] Originally by: Sebastian Dawngreeter I'm nigh three weeks old, still on a trial account (thanks White Wolf) and hopping around around in a Stabber I don't think I can fly properly as of yet. I have Minmatar Cruiser on 3, decent gunnery skills, navigation and shield skills that leave something to be desired but not all that poor for a char this young (or at least so I assume, knowing full well what assuming makes you). Mission running is all I do currently. And here comes the fun part. From day one I've been in low-sec. Seemed a bit strange at first, that the first agent my tutorial pointed me to was in 0.3 space. Since then I switched two agents and the best ones were consistently in 0.3 space. For a time I contemplated on the idea that I might be, oh I don't know, out of my mind for staying in low-sec. But the only time I was killed was when I engaged some destroyer-packing Angel rats while in a Rifter, after about 10 days of playing, much to amusement and very appreciated comradery of a nearby Amarr pilot who really had no reason to be nice to me. So my personal experience seemed to clash with what I've been reading on the forums. There was no impending doom over my shoulder and while I did see red-blinking people while doing 10-odd jumps to get new equipment, I was never actually attacked. So I figured what the hell, and I decided to stay in low-sec until my personal experience shows me exactly how bad an idea that is. The reason I'm sharing this with the rest of you is that from everything I can see in this thread, I should've been used for target practice all the time. Which I wasn't. I'm telling myself that this owes to the fact that most pirates would find hunting me down a waste of time and probably not worth the ammo they'd spend while shooting me down. But still, my experience seems to be out of sync with what is said here. So - what gives, I ask thee fair ladies and manly gentlemen? Am I a statistical improbability? Am I accidentally located in the one and only bit of low-sec where noobs aren't shot at just for the lulz? Are there, gasp, more people with experiences like mine? To conclude, I honestly don't intend to leave low-sec. The mission money is nice, I'm at a point where I dare engage smaller rat gangs and every once in a while I get to see battleships blasting each other somewhere in the distance as I run, run, run towards the nearest starbase. It's a thrill. And one which might cost me quite a bit at some point when my luck runs out, I imagine (worthy to note might be the fact that currently I can't even afford to buy a new Stabber, should I lose this one). Now point and laugh, please. I would hate to feel left out. You are mission running in a crappy ship without drones. Hello 99% reduction in chance of being scanned down whilst in the mission deadspace. Its not that they don't want to kill you - once its clear you are in a deadspace, and not a belt - its clear its not worth probing you out. I spent a bunch of days ratting 0.4-0.3 in a catalyst when I was 3 days old. I don't think I ever cleared a full system of belt rats without being jumped in on. ie - people scanned down a catalyst with vastly mismatched ships and felt the urge to jump on in, on an hourly basis or less, and that was during weekday, non-peak time. Ultimately I lost two destroyers to tech2 ship flying pirates, and lost interest in being the rabbit. I've travelled back since - but only to go 0.0 space, which is paradoxically safer. I've no interest in mission running low-sec because I'm a drone user, and am highly vulnerable to probing. Not all players can afford the 100% attention required to survive as the rabbit, and quite frankly 90% of the playerbase do not see themselves as the rabbit, and sensibly avoid the situation. If I'm on call - I must take telephone calls, and therefore am at higher risk of not noticing something crucial in the short time for reacting.
me bored	Posted - 2007.11.12 13:59:00 - [126] Trolling aside there has genuinely been a huge decrease in traffic in low sec. Around one or two years ago loads of people mined and npced in low sec but now I never see any body using the belts unless it's to stage some kind of trap. The removal of static complexes eliminated any remaining temptation for care bears to risk it in low sec and the way the game has been moving more towards blobbing has made it so that it's a lot easier for newer players to skip low sec all together and head straight out to 0.0. Most of my kills are rival pirates these days and I'm pretty frustrated. CCP give constant love to 0.0 and alliances whilst our situation gets worse with every patch. We're such a small part of their player base that they'd rather ignore us. Hell I doubt if any devs ever so much as glance at this forum. They want us to join alliances and fall asleep shooting POSs like everyone else. tl;dr: BAAAAAAAAW
me bored	Posted - 2007.11.12 14:13:00 - [127] Edited by: me bored on 12/11/2007 14:13:20
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.12 14:19:00 - [128] Originally by: gpfwestie Edited by: gpfwestie on 11/11/2007 16:43:53 There are plenty of targets in lo-sec. Theres all those other pirates that are whining about no targets being in lo-sec for a start. Suggest this thread is a good start for names to run through a locater agent. Agreed, i was doing some piracy the other day and there was lots of other pirate types there to pew pew. i killed 1 hauler but the best fight of the night was a 2vs3 fight with a pirate corp (they discovered hacs dont tank sentrys too well)
Dionisius Gallente Vagabundos	Posted - 2007.11.12 23:48:00 - [129] Yes it does... *sniff. _____________________________________
Ulstan Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.13 02:36:00 - [130] Quote: Pirates do hunt each other but the essence of piracy is to seek gain by preying upon those weaker than yourself. They don't have to be weaker, just as long as you can extract a profit from them. Also, it's completely valid to fight other pirates in order to run them off of 'your' turf. With low sec being so over camped, pirates may wish to start doing this more. The oversaturation of low sec with pirates is what is responsible for you personally being unable to find enough targets. Remember, the fewer other pirates out there, the larger a share of the prey falls to you.
Dr Slice Katana's Edge	Posted - 2007.11.13 04:34:00 - [131] Originally by: Ulstan Quote: Pirates do hunt each other but the essence of piracy is to seek gain by preying upon those weaker than yourself. They don't have to be weaker, just as long as you can extract a profit from them. Also, it's completely valid to fight other pirates in order to run them off of 'your' turf. With low sec being so over camped, pirates may wish to start doing this more. The oversaturation of low sec with pirates is what is responsible for you personally being unable to find enough targets. Remember, the fewer other pirates out there, the larger a share of the prey falls to you. Pirates versus Pirates makes me sad. But I understand why it happens. It comes down to target availability as you said. But you stated Pirates may whish to start doing this more...they have. It has increased in frequency a considerable amount in the past year. I would not expect the majority of the non-Pirate Eve population to realize this however.
ponieus the united	Posted - 2007.11.13 16:02:00 - [132] The time of the pirate is at hand. CCP is going to give us some great tools to use. The hate from CCP to the pirates is over. Its time.. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
ObiAliKonobi the united	Posted - 2007.11.13 17:27:00 - [133] Edited by: ObiAliKonobi on 13/11/2007 17:27:08 Hey, CCP! Are you listening now? Do you care about those who yarr? Are you going to buff low security? Are we going to see more people in the belts mining and npcing in low security? Bahh, all CCP cares about is the large alliances that dictate most trends in this game. CCP likes blob warfare. They like the slide show game play of 00. I have no faith in CCP. Flame away.
Ryu Kibegami	Posted - 2007.11.13 23:54:00 - [134] Reasons this mission runner does not sit in losec I see lots of people here saying that want an easy target not a fair fight. With that in mind why should I go to losec and get ganked? I have been in losec twice, both times I got podded after paying ransom. Once again why go where I am going to be ganked? I am not saying all people pod after collecting just my exp. My PvE has no chance against a PVP ship. Here is free ISK Just as you are after a profit so am I. I am not going to **** away my expensive ship so you can get rich. As long, as mx Pve can not match a PvP you will not see many rabbits with I.Q. being sitting ducks.
Deusz Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.11.14 02:21:00 - [135] That's because they are rabbits.
Ulstan Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.14 05:36:00 - [136] Quote: Are you going to buff low security? Are we going to see more people in the belts mining and npcing in low security? You'll see more people in low sec when there are fewer pirates in low sec. Right now the place is perceived as horribly overcamped. Or, if CCP were to make it so that a pve fit didn't automatically lose to a PvP fit, you might see more people taking the risk in low security. But as it is...why on earth should they? A ratter/miner will not defeat even a solo pirate, and with all the pirates out there it's only a matter of time before some show up. It's basically a guaranteed ship loss for them. You tell me what the rewards would need to be like in low sec to make up for losing a ship every time you go there and still be appealing.
William DeMeo Gallente the united	Posted - 2007.11.14 11:31:00 - [137] someone brought up static plexes. I want them back. The new plexes suck, they're boring and not worth while. You used to get some good fights over the plexes back in the day and it was probably the 1 thing you could make money off in lowsec. Atleast then I can plex and make some isk when I don't find any targets. Yarr
Bellator Militaris	Posted - 2007.11.16 10:50:00 - [138] It is with saying that the person who posted this thread has stirred the emotions of the pilots of EVE. There is light and darkness. There is the freshness of water and the bleaknes of the dessert. And there....as long as the species of humans remain...will be good and the evil.... Bellator Militaris Roman Warrior into the Future. SPQR. Rome
Redbad Minmatar Mean Corp	Posted - 2007.11.16 18:03:00 - [139] We might consider getting a "Pirate" in the Council of Stellar Management that CCP will launch. RB
Smacktalking Alt	Posted - 2007.11.16 20:35:00 - [140] I truly wonder if some pirates spend so much time denigrating "carebears" that they forget that these people possess basic intelligence. The pirate community has spent a long time teaching people that they shouldn't come to low sec, and they do an admirable job. Carebears turn out to be pretty good learners in general it would seem.
Ja'kar MAFIA	Posted - 2007.11.17 01:27:00 - [141] nope not really - they do 2 things whine and get nerfs (bye bye wt15) and stay in safe space - none of this is learning how to live in low sec! ppl do live in low sec they are called pirates (mostly) so if pirates can live in low sec that means they are more clever then carebears! The truth is low sec needs some love - pirate in low sec need some love - I think they should boost low sec (a little) and get rid of the gate guns (or at the very least the 15min timer), also each empire space should be completely surrounded by low sec
Sp4m	Posted - 2007.11.17 02:23:00 - [142] Ive lost both a Dominix and a Myrmidon over the last week with an agent in 0.5 sending me into 0.4 Ive only just found out that Drones make you a larger target on the scanner but hey, I don't usually use the damn thing. My two pence on why 0.4-0.1 sucks, is because there are too many pirates. I'm not venturing near 0.4 and I'm advising my corp to do the same for... However long it takes for us to build a blob and go out into 0.0 and make a safe place. A place safe from the Billions of people that say 'Hay, Stealing from [Insert Type of Victim here] People is so cool!' And so basically 0.4 is a blob itself, except your alliance is basically the pirates vs the empire new players. So I don't see why low sec needs a 'buff' I don't see why pirates need a 'buff' To be honest, you boring people who all do the same bloody thing, only to bully people who don't really want to fight you all day need to be culled. Maybe a large anti pirate alliance will pop up and roam around blowing your socks off. So then you can go back to empire and grind back all the cash to get back all the stuff you lost. But don't go into low sec, Because all the pirates are waiting. And waiting.
Crimson Onyx the united	Posted - 2007.11.17 03:15:00 - [143] Originally by: Sp4m Ive lost both a Dominix and a Myrmidon over the last week with an agent in 0.5 sending me into 0.4 Ive only just found out that Drones make you a larger target on the scanner but hey, I don't usually use the damn thing. My two pence on why 0.4-0.1 sucks, is because there are too many pirates. I'm not venturing near 0.4 and I'm advising my corp to do the same for... However long it takes for us to build a blob and go out into 0.0 and make a safe place. A place safe from the Billions of people that say 'Hay, Stealing from [Insert Type of Victim here] People is so cool!' And so basically 0.4 is a blob itself, except your alliance is basically the pirates vs the empire new players. So I don't see why low sec needs a 'buff' I don't see why pirates need a 'buff' To be honest, you boring people who all do the same bloody thing, only to bully people who don't really want to fight you all day need to be culled. Maybe a large anti pirate alliance will pop up and roam around blowing your socks off. So then you can go back to empire and grind back all the cash to get back all the stuff you lost. But don't go into low sec, Because all the pirates are waiting. And waiting. So your saying the only way your going threw low-sec is in a blob lol, wait until you get into 0.0. Btw nice little letter this happy customer sent me today: 2007.11.16 08:07 Thx, for Destroy my Ship & all my Items :( That was all what i Have .... Just i have no money and no Ships :( I think i give up to play EVE Online .................. regards XXXXXX These kinds of love letters keep me playing eve lulz
Kessiaan	Posted - 2007.11.17 04:13:00 - [144] Edited by: Kessiaan on 17/11/2007 04:14:30 I'm still on both sides here... As a carebear miner I hate that there's no way I can ever hope to fight back against anyone remotely fitted for pvp provided they can engage me and I really have no recourse except to hide when I'm being pursued, which can potentially waste a lot of my time if they're persistent. Looking at the point of view of the pirates (and as a lowsec carebear miner) the rewards are much greater for pve players in lowsec, and even though you don't have a snowball's chance in hell of actually beating a pirate at his own game, as long as one keeps an eye on the scanner, comes to the gates prepared, and generally does his best to be a hard target the pirates will never get a chance to engage. I think there needs to be a sliding scale of risk, not just highsec = (mostly) safe, lowsec = pirates everywhere. It's the sudden exposure to risk with no real in-game pointers on how to mitigate that scares people away. Maybe.. 1.0 - Stealing wrecks / cans criminally flags you .9 - Stealing wrecks criminally flags you .8 - Highsec how it is now .7 - CONCORD takes 1.5 times as long to respond if you're offgrid (not near any warpable object) .6 - CONCORD takes three times as long to respond if offgrid, and is evadable (with difficulty) .5 - CONCORD doesn't respond to offgrid crimes at all (though you are still flagged), and takes twice as long as normal to respond to anything in the belts. .4 - CONCORD protection at gates and stations only. CONCORD makes irregular patrols through the belts once every 10 minutes or so. .3 - CONCORD patrols between gates and stations. Four gate guns. .2 - No CONCORD presence. Still four gate guns .1 - Lowsec how it is now (no CONCORD, two gate guns) ----- My in Eve Profile
Smacktalking Alt	Posted - 2007.11.17 06:28:00 - [145] Edited by: Smacktalking Alt on 17/11/2007 06:29:52 Originally by: Ja'kar nope not really - they do 2 things whine and get nerfs (bye bye wt15) and stay in safe space - none of this is learning how to live in low sec! ppl do live in low sec they are called pirates (mostly) so if pirates can live in low sec that means they are more clever then carebears! The truth is low sec needs some love - pirate in low sec need some love - I think they should boost low sec (a little) and get rid of the gate guns (or at the very least the 15min timer), also each empire space should be completely surrounded by low sec I didn't claim that carebears are clever, let alone more clever than pirates. That would be an inappropriate generalization. I'm not even talking about cleverness. I make the claim that carebears possess basic intelligence, and that's a generalization that I'm willing to stand by. Intelligence doesn't mean adapting to the the play style that you personally prefer. Some people don't like to engage in PvP, and they learn through the course of the game (usually with a lot of help from pirates) that the best way of avoiding PvP is staying in high sec. They then make the conscious decision to hug high sec mostly. This demonstation of basic learning has been detrimental to some pirates in the long run, because it means less targets. I really don't think there's much that CCP can realistically do to fix this. Piracy is rightfully justified by pointing out that EVE is supposed to be a "sandbox," allowing players freedom to operate outside of the law. The thing is, the sandbox mechanic is a double edged sword. You are free to run rampant destroying ships for fun and for profit, but you must also deal with consequences. In the sandbox, you reap what you sow. In this case, that translates to: More low sec hunting = less carebears in the long run. Players have been given enormous freedom to shape this game, and for better or worse, low sec has developed a culture that is not friendly to a large group of people. I really don't know what can or should be done to "fix" this.
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.17 06:51:00 - [146] Originally by: ObiAliKonobi Edited by: ObiAliKonobi on 13/11/2007 17:27:08 Hey, CCP! Are you listening now? Do you care about those who yarr? Are you going to buff low security? Are we going to see more people in the belts mining and npcing in low security? Bahh, all CCP cares about is the large alliances that dictate most trends in this game. CCP likes blob warfare. They like the slide show game play of 00. I have no faith in CCP. Flame away. this Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]
Ja'kar MAFIA	Posted - 2007.11.17 15:29:00 - [147] Edited by: Ja''kar on 17/11/2007 15:29:53 To be honest, you boring people who all do the same bloody thing, yes we do the same thing - after the amount of nerfs there is no sandbox in low sec - pirates used loads of ways to get targets in low sec but CCP nerf, nerf and nerfed piracy into the gate campin boredom we have today - risk what risk boost lows heres how 1. make all cargo flow through low sec - ships that can jump cannot in low sec or at least let us pull em out of it (biggest boost) 2. wt15 is long gone and never to be seen - but at least make it wt5 or 10 3. get rid of the sentry guns or timer 4. make it so all empire min, gal etc is in pockets in low sec so ppl have to flow through that way empires in 0.0 have some risk, the average player will need to think a bit more! but I doubt it will happen 0.0 ppl can be bigger whiners than any empire player and it would be too much a sandbox game that I thought I was signing up 4
Ja'kar MAFIA	Posted - 2007.11.17 15:34:00 - [148] Edited by: Ja''kar on 17/11/2007 15:34:50 And I disagree Curzon, with rewards in low sec being significantly greater we will see more corporations trying to control space and fighting against piracy. Also this is a good thing! lets have the good fights, targets, cargo and good times for all (mostly)
skandalf	Posted - 2007.11.17 17:07:00 - [149] pirates need a level playing field in lowsec, if i engage someone i get aggrod by the sentrys but every noob and his dog can aggro me to their hearts content and not get any aggro, at the very least their drones should be targeted and popped by the sentrys, not really moaning as i choose this career path in eve. after all doesnt ccp want a lot of us to move to lo-sec and to 0.0 to spread the lag ahem i mean the load on the server
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.17 17:17:00 - [150] Originally by: Stakhanov 1/10 for trolling. I'm Tortun Nahme, and I approved this message Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Kessiaan	Posted - 2007.11.17 17:50:00 - [151] Originally by: Ja'kar Edited by: Ja''kar on 17/11/2007 15:29:53 To be honest, you boring people who all do the same bloody thing, yes we do the same thing - after the amount of nerfs there is no sandbox in low sec - pirates used loads of ways to get targets in low sec but CCP nerf, nerf and nerfed piracy into the gate campin boredom we have today - risk what risk boost lows heres how 1. make all cargo flow through low sec - ships that can jump cannot in low sec or at least let us pull em out of it (biggest boost) 2. wt15 is long gone and never to be seen - but at least make it wt5 or 10 3. get rid of the sentry guns or timer 4. make it so all empire min, gal etc is in pockets in low sec so ppl have to flow through that way empires in 0.0 have some risk, the average player will need to think a bit more! but I doubt it will happen 0.0 ppl can be bigger whiners than any empire player and it would be too much a sandbox game that I thought I was signing up 4 The problem with this is that the harder you make it for anyone other than a pirate to operate in lowsec, the more empty it becomes. Sure you'd be able to catch the little guys at the gates but the alliances that would actually be most affected would just put together superblob convoy ops and you still wouldn't be able to catch the big fish. If you want more targets, it has to be harder to catch them. Make it easier to catch them and they'll become even scarcer than they already are. This is the main reason why I think lowsec traffic will decrease even more when the new heavy dictors go in. You can't have it both ways. ----- My in Eve Profile
Ja'kar MAFIA	Posted - 2007.11.17 18:21:00 - [152] Edited by: Ja''kar on 17/11/2007 18:22:11 Kessiaan yes good points,but... 1. not all ships can jump so if you make it so that they can be pulled out then it makes 0.0 based corps loot easier to get at atm they can just jump it out and no one can touch it. 2. yes blobs will move stuff thats why wt0 was such a bad idea - kills sniper etc, but as I see most ppl don't bother with low sec because they can avoid it. if they had to travel in it to move between empires than this would or might allow for better tactics while in .4 3. I don't really want it both ways I just want targets and I don't mind of some of them shooting back! But mostly .4 is rubbish almost a part of eve that has no real value in the game. It needs a part to play that is not just about sitting at gates.

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