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Dyaven
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Posted - 2012.01.26 20:14:00 -
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I am very surprised to see the huge influx of hate on the new item names. I personally think it's a long overdue and very necessary change that will hopefully spread to almost every item category in EVE eventually. While not everything is in dire need of change (Blaster naming conventions are pretty decent, for example, as are Railguns, ACs and Arties) some are absolutely senseless and mind-boggling at best - Lasers, anyone?
So tell me, what don't you like about the new names? What did you like about the old names? |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
539
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Posted - 2012.01.26 20:26:00 -
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Many will say " we play EVE not WOW we don't want such symplifiing"
I just don't see a point for such change |
Aphoxema G
Teraa Matar
214
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Posted - 2012.01.26 20:42:00 -
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There is a bit of a risk in assigning names so arbitrarily, not that they chose particularly bad names for the prop mods, but it shows the collision in mentality people have and that we take for granted.
Where it's especially dangerous is giving linearly descriptive values when something can't be linearly quantified. It's bad enough to say T2 is "best" because obviously it's not, or isn't always, and the Y-T8 MWD was a good example of how specific names are better for specific qualities.
When you're dealing with multiple variables that don't all go in the same direction (more gooder) you can't say anymore what's best, what's worth the most, and rarely can you say what's the most useful. This is something that needs to be kept in mind. The missiles is sort of a cosmetic and convenience thing, I'm indifferent about the change because the important specific bits are still there.
Even lasers are safer to put in some kind of order because the values follow almost a perfect curve and there could even be some benefit in ordering crystal types. Railguns and blasters, though, each size trades things off a little differently and their current order by caliber is misleading. I could even argue that it would be more beneficial to chop up blasters and rails like the lasers are now and instead order lasers by their size since the values that are exchanged are in proportion to each other.
Change "Tracking Disruptors" to "Weapon Disruptors" (to include missiles)
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=61502 |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
338
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Posted - 2012.01.26 20:57:00 -
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They need to change the name of armor repairers to health regenerators TBH. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
455
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Posted - 2012.01.26 21:04:00 -
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While I didn't use missiles a lot, I knew the "basics" about them... and it was easy enough to get what people needed fi I was running to Jita or something
e.g. -- get us 100k Widomaker Rage. OK, get there, search for "Widowmaker", get the missiles.
now you can't say that -- it has to be MUCH more specific, since the name crosses many missile types. (rocket, missile, heavy missile, assault missile, torpedo, etc).
the same name made sense with the other ammos because it was all "Antimatter" or "Phased Plasma" or "Multifrequency" -- you just appended a size, and were good to go. |
Aphoxema G
Teraa Matar
214
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Posted - 2012.01.26 21:58:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:While I didn't use missiles a lot, I knew the "basics" about them... and it was easy enough to get what people needed fi I was running to Jita or something
e.g. -- get us 100k Widomaker Rage. OK, get there, search for "Widowmaker", get the missiles.
now you can't say that -- it has to be MUCH more specific, since the name crosses many missile types. (rocket, missile, heavy missile, assault missile, torpedo, etc).
e.g. -- "get us 100k Mjolnir." OK, um ... what kind? "I dunno, whatever goes in a drake." WTF does a drake use? "well, depends on if you want to engage at long range or not" Ugh, I don't know ... [corpie] was the one asking for them. "Oh, get him the Mjolnir (whatever size)". Thanks ... this was so much easier with different names.
the same name made sense with the other ammos because it was all "Antimatter" or "Phased Plasma" or "Multifrequency" -- you just appended a size, and were good to go.
e.g. -- "get me 100k large antimatter." OK, will do.
Obviously the solution here is just to make one type of ammunition that works for every weapon. Problem solved!
Change "Tracking Disruptors" to "Weapon Disruptors" (to include missiles)
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=61502 |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
924
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Posted - 2012.01.26 22:25:00 -
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Before renaming I would open market, search for "Scourge"
After renaming I open market, search for "Trauma Heavy"
At least missile users are still slightly better off than turret users who have to look for "antimatter charge m"
My main complaint is the lack of novelty. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
194
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Posted - 2012.01.26 22:42:00 -
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Dyaven wrote:I am very surprised to see the huge influx of hate on the new item names. I personally think it's a long overdue and very necessary change that will hopefully spread to almost every item category in EVE eventually. While not everything is in dire need of change (Blaster naming conventions are pretty decent, for example, as are Railguns, ACs and Arties) some are absolutely senseless and mind-boggling at best - Lasers, anyone?
So tell me, what don't you like about the new names? What did you like about the old names?
Every change has a cost, even just the hating of the playerbase is a cost already.
They should just have done a little bolder step and do this:
1) Keep old names
2) Add aliases to 1) with new names. Here you go, everyone is happy!
3) Add tags to names so we can search them with something intuitive like "laser medium" or "MWD cruiser".
That's it! It's not surprise Google got their popularity.
They refined their design to make it simple yet very useful, they did not just dumb down. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
666
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Posted - 2012.01.26 22:46:00 -
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Quote: Why do you dislike the new item names?
I don't dislike them. But I told myself this morning that I was going to post in every stupid thread about them.
So, here I am...posting.
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions
Bloodbound.
315
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Posted - 2012.01.26 23:40:00 -
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because of falcon |
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
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Posted - 2012.01.27 00:45:00 -
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To me at least it's an issue mainly because I see no real advantage to them being changed, but when I patched and logged, I felt like I had just started Eve again. So they aren't really a terrible system, just an unneccessary one. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2012.01.27 00:58:00 -
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I wouldnt mind if they at least put in the flavor fluff text something like "also known as the Lif Fule Boosted..." etc at least. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
212
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Posted - 2012.01.27 01:14:00 -
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I don't really dislike them, not enough to post loads of whinage threads anyway. The new names do seem dumbed down though, I cannot imagine the level of stupidity and ignorance needed to mix the old names up or be unable to click "show info" and read the description.
I am far from the sharpest knife in the box but to be that dumb must really be something, how does somebody go through life like that? Things like putting shoes on the right feet must be difficult, the world must be a confusing place for such people. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
135
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Posted - 2012.01.27 01:32:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Before renaming I would open market, search for "Scourge"
After renaming I open market, search for "Trauma Heavy"
At least missile users are still slightly better off than turret users who have to look for "antimatter charge m"
Or you could add item to 'Quickbar' and not have to type anything at all  ?
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MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:15:00 -
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Some of us are just too old school....'Kentucky Fried Chicken' old school... we don't want no 'Kitchen Fresh Chicken'. If we resist we can get back our 'Kentucky Fried Chicken!'
WHO IS WITH ME ?!?!? (falls over dead from heart attack)
I know I left a battleship in this station. Wait, you can put ships in Station Containers? ****! I just trashed them. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
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Posted - 2012.01.27 02:57:00 -
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My only issue with it is I knew most things by name... now I have to look 3 or 4 times before realizing that I'm staring at the right missile. |
Brock Nelson
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Posted - 2012.01.27 03:01:00 -
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Why was it done in the first place anyways?
If you're gonna rename missiles, at least rename it like Kinetic Rage Torpedo, Heat Precision Missile, etc
Save me the time of having to figure out what the hell is suppose to be the new name...
I don't always like to modify my sell order but when I do, I like to spin my mouse wheel |
Ioci
Space Mermaids
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Posted - 2012.01.27 03:10:00 -
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You people are strange.
CCP can make sov changes that wipe out years of work,
Allow someone to obliterate a ship you tooks years to make
but you cling to a missle name like a childhood blanket.
Can't figure some of you out for the life of me. Could be you are just tired of the game but your addiction won't allow you to let go of it too. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2012.01.27 13:42:00 -
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Ioci wrote:You people are strange.
CCP can make sov changes that wipe out years of work,
Allow someone to obliterate a ship you tooks years to make
but you cling to a missle name like a childhood blanket.
Can't figure some of you out for the life of me. Could be you are just tired of the game but your addiction won't allow you to let go of it too.
Point the first --> Any of us can also do that (see: BoB getting disbanded by the Goons, or any of the other territory wars over the years). It's not exactly the same as CCP resetting everything, but it does wipe out peoples' work.
Point the second --> I've yet to find a ship that takes "years" to make. Maybe a few weeks to a month (depending on where you're starting in the production cycle).
@ Aphoxema -- notsureifserious |
Nachshon
Buccaneer's Brotherhood
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Posted - 2012.01.27 14:41:00 -
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From what I've seen, the only change I don't like is with the missiles. It just rubs me the wrong way. I might have actually been happier with just naming them all "kinetic rockets" or "thermal torpedoes". "Trauma Heavy" seems a little silly.
If I had been in charge of the missile change, I would have instead given each damage type a theme name (probably related to the damage type itself). Unlike many other item types, missile and other ammo icons distinguish by size as well as by type.
Here, I'll try to come up with the kinetic line:
Thorn Rocket
Dart Standard
Arrow Heavy
Bolt HAM
Javelin Cruise
Spear Torpedo
Lance Capital Cruise
Impaler Capital Torpedo |
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DEFIER ORILIS
DEFIANCE FRENETIC REGIMENT
4
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Posted - 2012.01.27 14:44:00 -
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Why is CCP trying to simplify what made EVE what EVE is?
I understand, it was hard to get it but once you get it, it felt so good. It was the EVE charm.
I want the EVE charm to come back with the original names. I mean DANG! |
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
224
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Posted - 2012.01.27 14:48:00 -
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Part of what makes eve great is its learning curve and complexity acts as a natural barrier reef to little fish.
I Support the Goons! |
Joshua Aivoras
Tech IV Industries
Pandorum Invictus
189
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Posted - 2012.01.27 15:00:00 -
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While making the game more "user-friendly' is nice, if you couldn't figure out the difference between a Scourge Heavy Missile and a Juggernaut Torpedo then EVE probably isn't for you anyhow. |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.01.27 15:04:00 -
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Oh no, modules have sensible names now, now it's too intuitive and it makes too much sense and there's literally nothing left in EVE for new players to learn. Eve should be a pain in the ass for players to understand and learn, now that the names have changed there's nothing else to learn in the game and there's no longer a steep learning curve
Now we can expect there to be an influx of casual carebear pubbies taking over the game and making terrible posts on the forums- OH WAIT! |
Xavier Quo
InterSun Freelance
Moon Warriors
26
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Posted - 2012.01.27 15:12:00 -
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Old names were cool and sounded like spaceship components. New ones don't. The meta naming in this game, although technically inconsequential, does a lot to flesh out the world and experience of new eden.
Experimental Pulse Laser I / Heavy Anode Pulse Particle Stream I
Improved Tracking Disruptor I / F-392 Baker Nunn Tracking Disruptor I
Seriously, how can anyone think that totally unimaginative standardisation is a good thing?! |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
213
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Posted - 2012.01.27 15:32:00 -
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Xavier Quo wrote:Old names were cool and sounded like spaceship components. New ones don't. The meta naming in this game, although technically inconsequential, does a lot to flesh out the world and experience of new eden.
Experimental Pulse Laser I / Heavy Anode Pulse Particle Stream I
Improved Tracking Disruptor I / F-392 Baker Nunn Tracking Disruptor I
Seriously, how can anyone think that totally unimaginative standardisation is a good thing?!
Because not everyone sits in front of their computer playing with little action figures of Captain Picard and Geordie LeForge discussing the module names on their ship.
"Captain! We need to reroute emergency power to the Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive!"
"Do you mean... overheat the MWD?"
"Yes Captain!"
"Make it so!"
*click*
"Oh Captain we're moving so fast now! I think I love you"
"Yes Geordie, I have always loved you too"
"Oh kiss me captain"
*smooch*smooch*
*bangs toys together in various positions*
When in conversation about ship fittings I don't really hear people refer to a module by it's name unless it's a faction/deadspace module. For every other module you only ever refer to the meta level. I'm most likely to hear the name of the module when someone asks wtf the name for the meta module is so they can find it on the market. |
Xavier Quo
InterSun Freelance
Moon Warriors
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Posted - 2012.01.27 15:48:00 -
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"minmatar cruiser 3 hits you with improved autocannon in system 4567"
yawn.
no action figures required. Oooh something I would pay nex for, a action figure of my toon. 
p.s. your quick sojourn from the realm of naming modules to an interracial homosexual relationship between star trek toys is mildly worrying. |
Cathy Drall
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.27 15:56:00 -
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I don't dislike the new item names. |
Elo Spektrum
Frozen Moon Conglomerate
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Posted - 2012.01.27 16:07:00 -
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I'm one of the freshlings who wandered into EVE after hearing how broad and harsh a MMO can be. I heard about EVE first time by that "Learning curve" image, and so far that is my understanding about this awesome game, deep and much harder to understand than any other MMO. After 2 million SP I feel I haven't scratched the surface.
That is what I like about EVE.
And I can't really say anything new about these names, makes more sense? Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive was just a MWD to me ;>
ESp |
Taipion
Operations Control
United Pod Service
43
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Posted - 2012.01.27 16:40:00 -
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The new names are no better than the old ones
- the old ones blended in just fine
- the new ones sound stupid
- search an market orders are a mess now
- Scourge, as example, did mean kinetic AND heavy missile, meaning you know what you have there just by that one word, now, tell me what Trauma means, besides the trauma it causes in your head?!
- noobs dont have any advantage through this
But most importantly, you put in the new names to simplify the game (you did NOT), and get more players this way.
- you wont get any new players or make them stay longer because of these new names
- you allready lost way more players through this bullshit than you could ever dream of compensating with these kind of tweaks
And:
If you do more changes of this kind, you will lose a freakin lot more players than you will ever pull in again by making EVE "easy mode"! |
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