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Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.30 03:21:00 - [1] The new Heavy Assault Battleships are ratting and close range PvP ships by design. The Tractor Beam bonus is a lie. The Tractor Beam bonus is a lie. The Tractor Beam bonus is a lie. The Tractor Beam bonus is a lie... [I've been rather constructive in other posts but I think this gets the point across. They may not be evenly balanced but they are certainly not designed for mission running.]
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.30 03:21:00 - [2] The new Heavy Assault Battleships are ratting and close range PvP ships by design. The Tractor Beam bonus is a lie. The Tractor Beam bonus is a lie. The Tractor Beam bonus is a lie. The Tractor Beam bonus is a lie... [I've been rather constructive in other posts but I think this gets the point across. They may not be evenly balanced but they are certainly not designed for mission running.]
Pattern Clarc Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.30 03:33:00 - [3] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf The new Heavy Assault Battleships are ratting and close range PvP ships by design. The Tractor Beam bonus is a lie. The Tractor Beam bonus is a lie. The Tractor Beam bonus is a lie. The Tractor Beam bonus is a lie... [I've been rather constructive in other posts but I think this gets the point across. They may not be evenly balanced but they are certainly not designed for mission running.] lol, nice post. Quote: [02:31:17] ISD BH Kestrelprime > The Pally is powerful enough. [02:31:27] ISD BH Kestrelprime > All it needs is a hearthstone so it can Bubblehearth.
Arushia Nova Labs Empire Research	Posted - 2007.10.30 03:50:00 - [4] Indeed, look at the blaster-orianted bonuses on the Kronos. Now who the frack uses blasters in missions?
Buyerr	Posted - 2007.10.30 03:53:00 - [5] yer it sucks UUHUUUU a T2 BATTLESHIP!!!! WRAAAAAAAAGH!!!! uhh.. it is a garbage can hauler :P so stupid give us our freaking HEAVY COMMAND BATTLESHIP!! :P
Pattern Clarc Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.30 03:58:00 - [6] Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 30/10/2007 04:00:31 Ohhh, heavy command ships... (drools) Quote: [02:31:17] ISD BH Kestrelprime > The Pally is powerful enough. [02:31:27] ISD BH Kestrelprime > All it needs is a hearthstone so it can Bubblehearth.
Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.10.30 04:12:00 - [7] Apparently Heavy Battleships = Carriers O.o
Bellum Eternus Gallente Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.30 06:28:00 - [8] Originally by: Arushia Indeed, look at the blaster-orianted bonuses on the Kronos. Now who the frack uses blasters in missions? What blaster oriented (learn to spell) bonuses? Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.30 07:18:00 - [9] I assume the reference was to the webber bonus since blasters are far more effective than rails within webbing range. This is, however, a single bonus unless you count the ability to use relatively slow, vulnerable, limited range, heavy drones as a bonus. Also if your going to nitpick it's technically blaster-oriented not blaster oriented, though blaster-orientated would also be acceptable.
Eleana Tomelac Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2007.10.30 09:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Arushia Indeed, look at the blaster-orianted bonuses on the Kronos. Now who the frack uses blasters in missions? I use blasters in missions... On a deimos. The Deimos has real blaster oriented bonus, what I see in the Kronos is general purpose guns bonus, not more blaster than rail. If you web something at -99%, you will take it out with railguns at point blank range (assuming you are not moving, or you mess your own tracking...), so the web bonus is to make the ship flexible, it will shoot fine at long ranges and when something comes close, it can shoot it with the same low tracking guns. It might even be an attemp to make javelin ammo useful, but I wouldn't call this ammo useful... -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Say hello to my tiny friends !
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.10.30 10:38:00 - [11] Yep. They are ratting and PvP ships. They are even good at it. Use tractor beam use tractor beam use Tractor Beam and then there will be cake
Claska Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:51:00 - [12] mmmm cake, but seriusly has any one even thought up a decent PVP build for a maruader?
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.30 13:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Carniflex Yep. They are ratting and PvP ships. They are even good at it. Use tractor beam use tractor beam use Tractor Beam and then there will be cake Why would I need a bonus to tractor beam speed and range when I'm under 10km away taking advantage of my uber web bonus? [Please note the web bonus is imo pants for PvE (drones kill the small fast stuff before I'm in range/done with the big stuff) and of little use in PvP unless your working solo. Oh wait... now I get it]
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.30 14:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Claska mmmm cake, but seriusly has any one even thought up a decent PVP build for a maruader? Kronos 4x Neutrons MWD, Scram, Web, 2x Med Injector 2x LAR, 2x adaptive Nano, DCU, Magstab, Backup Array Tanks like a Hype hits like a Gank-Fedathron, runs until your huge cargo bay of 800's are all gone. Hows that for a slice of fried gold?
mama guru Gallente Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2007.10.30 14:18:00 - [15] Edited by: mama guru on 30/10/2007 14:19:27 Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Originally by: Claska mmmm cake, but seriusly has any one even thought up a decent PVP build for a maruader? Kronos 4x Neutrons MWD, Scram, Web, 2x Med Injector 2x LAR, 2x adaptive Nano, DCU, Magstab, Backup Array Tanks like a Hype hits like a Gank-Fedathron, runs until your huge cargo bay of 800's are all gone. Hows that for a slice of fried gold? 5x Heavy ECM Drones and your kronos is a heavily tanked target dummy. That moves pretty slow. I agree the other Marauders needs working. But as proven numerous times before nerfing the role model is worse then fixing the problem. Buff the other marauders incase you cant read between the lines. The Kronos is fine, work on the others more. *signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link) - Jacques([email protected]) EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
Claska Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.10.30 14:24:00 - [16] Edited by: Claska on 30/10/2007 14:23:58 Originally by: mama guru Edited by: mama guru on 30/10/2007 14:19:27 5x Heavy ECM Drones and your kronos is a heavily tanked target dummy. That moves pretty slow. I agree the other Marauders needs working. But as proven numerous times before nerfing the role model is worse then fixing the problem. Buff the other marauders incase you cant read between the lines. The Kronos is fine, work on the others more. oh god, i hope they don't nerf the kronos instead of buffing the others. I don't understand CPP's need to nerf things into line of otherthings instead of simply buffing otherthings into line with this. I mean look at TF2 what they did is simply make everything overpowerd so its all ballanced, differant game but same concept of ballance that i'm talking about.
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.30 16:15:00 - [17] Originally by: mama guru 5x Heavy ECM Drones and your kronos is a heavily tanked target dummy. That moves pretty slow. I agree the other Marauders needs working. But as proven numerous times before nerfing the role model is worse then fixing the problem. Buff the other marauders incase you cant read between the lines. The Kronos is fine, work on the others more. Sensor Strengths Typhoon: 18pts Tempest: 19pts Kronos with Backup array: 19.25pts Megathron: 21pts However it's my firm belief the Kronos is fine, the others need to be brought in line and CCP need to admit these ships are not designed for mission running but are rather the HABS we were told would never happen but we all secretly wished for.
Cyberus Caldari Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.30 16:32:00 - [18] I belave those ships need reduce MWD use/fit on cap instead of stupidly tractor beam. Sireusly this is an JOKE ( current bonus i mean)
Tiny Carlos Destructive Influence	Posted - 2007.10.30 16:51:00 - [19] Anyone else think it wierd that the PvP weakness of marauders is to a racial specialty. Maaruders vs, Ammar..fine, vs Gallante..fine, vs Minmatar..fine, vs Caldari..totaly useless. Although this isn't a big problem now, it could become a problem is faction warfare,if it ever get implimented, requires people to fly the fations ships. (and it just annoys me) "Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others." - Groucho Marx
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.30 22:11:00 - [20] True, though the game appears to be balanced around mixed gangs. You could say many ship classes are weak against one race. Interceptors are weak vs Minmatar Webbing Marauders weak vs Caldari ECM Carriers weak vs Gallente Damps etc, etc.

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