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Phil Exon	Posted - 2007.10.30 20:08:00 - [1] Edited by: Phil Exon on 30/10/2007 20:09:35 The other thread said "delete" but really I just wanted to create a new thread so CCP can't scroll down a page without seeing 10 amarr posts. Everyone should create a new post BTW, only fix my Apoc ... don't bother with all others I want: 2000 more PG and 5% bonus damage per level
Byzan Zwyth Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.10.30 20:29:00 - [2] needs a range bonus or a drone bonus spice things up a bit for the amarr BS's ---------------------- Rank: Tech 1 and a 1/2 cannon fodder Pointless forum slowing bandwidth hogging signature pic inc?
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.30 20:32:00 - [3] So the way I see it, you have two options: 1. Torp spewing drone apoc (Think Khanid) 2. 10% / level to mining yield... Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.30 20:36:00 - [4] Originally by: Liang Nuren So the way I see it, you have two options: 1. Torp spewing drone apoc (Think Khanid) 2. 10% / level to mining yield... Liang Or how about a 5% dmg bonus to smartbombs?
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.10.30 20:37:00 - [5] Yep, Copeland show time and time again on the aAa kb that an apoc is useless in fleets by being top of the mails. And it's also forbidden to use the apoc (partly) for neutralizing in smaller gangs, it's obviously also useless there as well. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
StinkFinger Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.10.30 21:39:00 - [6] switch the laser cap bonus to neut and nos range bonus switch the cap amount to neut and nos amount fixed. Originally by: Karanth That's like sitting on your hand till it goes numb, so it's like a stranger. It's not as satisfying, and I'LL know the difference.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.30 21:54:00 - [7] Originally by: StinkFinger switch the laser cap bonus to neut and nos range bonus switch the cap amount to neut and nos amount fixed. If by fixed you mean "broken" yes, its fixed.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.30 22:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: StinkFinger switch the laser cap bonus to neut and nos range bonus switch the cap amount to neut and nos amount fixed. If by fixed you mean "broken" yes, its fixed. Well, I'd certainly train up for that Apoc!! Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.30 22:17:00 - [9] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: StinkFinger switch the laser cap bonus to neut and nos range bonus switch the cap amount to neut and nos amount fixed. If by fixed you mean "broken" yes, its fixed. Hey sorry, but your sig makes me wanna throw up... ========================= Weko Hast > fill a domi up with light suicide drones and drone navigation links arbalesttom > rofl!!! emo-drones? DONT REMOVE MY SIGGIES!!! ===========
Mrski Okupator Amarr The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.30 22:52:00 - [10] I could love a torp/smartbomb apoc. But a torp/dronboat woud just make me*****in my pants. A bit too often. ___ Apocalypse Mining. Mine your way to heaven. What playing Amarr feels like. Shamelessly snatched from Almarez.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.30 22:53:00 - [11] Edited by: Goumindong on 30/10/2007 22:53:36 Originally by: arbalesttom Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: StinkFinger switch the laser cap bonus to neut and nos range bonus switch the cap amount to neut and nos amount fixed. If by fixed you mean "broken" yes, its fixed. Hey sorry, but your sig makes me wanna throw up... FFS learn to suppress your gag reflex or you will never make it in this business.
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.10.30 22:55:00 - [12] Edited by: shinsushi on 30/10/2007 22:56:12 Originally by: Mrski Okupator I could love a torp/smartbomb apoc. But a torp/dronboat woud just make me*****in my pants. A bit too often. Sorry to say, but I just can't see a torp/drone battleship no matter how badly I want to. I would absolutely love it, but I doubt CCP would hook us up like that. To have a BS arbitrator would freakin awesome. Oh btw goum, I agree with a poster higher up.... Ron Jeremy = horribly disgusting (even if he has nailed tons of hot chicks) ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.30 23:00:00 - [13] Originally by: shinsushi Sorry to say, but I just can't see a torp/drone battleship no matter how badly I want to. I would absolutely love it, but I doubt CCP would hook us up like that. To have a BS arbitrator would freakin awesome. Well... le sigh - one can always hope! Arbitrator-Apoc... man alive would I train Amarr BS for that. ^_^ Quote: Oh btw goum, I agree with a poster higher up.... Ron Jeremy = horribly disgusting (even if he has nailed tons of hot chicks) Erm, is that who that is? Oh. Yeah, I'm not a fan of that. :p Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.31 00:57:00 - [14] Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Liang Nuren So the way I see it, you have two options: 1. Torp spewing drone apoc (Think Khanid) 2. 10% / level to mining yield... Liang Or how about a 5% dmg bonus to smartbombs? Gief more love to disco apoc! You know we want it!
Hastur DragonTooth Amarr Call of Cthulhu	Posted - 2007.10.31 01:07:00 - [15] Thread #75 on Amarr Oomph. Still a total lack of response from the devs on the issue. Apathy is worse than hate. Scientific test CCP ran to prove that EVE is heavily weighted in favor of Amarr, thus needing another nerf...
Princess Xenia	Posted - 2007.10.31 01:45:00 - [16] Replace the capacitor capacity bonus with a armor HP bonus... Maybe increase PG a bit... hence less RCU mods = more EANM or heat sinks... Victory through ATTRITION... yarrr
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.10.31 01:47:00 - [17] Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Liang Nuren So the way I see it, you have two options: 1. Torp spewing drone apoc (Think Khanid) 2. 10% / level to mining yield... Liang Or how about a 5% dmg bonus to smartbombs? or a 10% range bonus
Cyan Nuevo Dudes In Crazy Killing Ships	Posted - 2007.10.31 02:10:00 - [18] Don't fix the Apoc, nerf everything else! Don't you understand why they want to nerf carriers? --- Proud Amarr pilot.
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt	Posted - 2007.10.31 03:30:00 - [19] Originally by: Phil Exon 2000 more PG and 5% bonus damage per level rofl, NO. what apoc SHOULD have is 5% armor res and 10% armor hp per level. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Transcendant One	Posted - 2007.10.31 03:40:00 - [20] Armor HP suggests pvp use, no damage bonus does not. If it isn't a threat it'll just be killed last, not a good idea. For PvE it would be outdone by the abaddon. Damage + resists > resists + hp. What the apoc is a role that clearly differenciates it from the other amarr battleships and is useful at the same time.
StinkFinger Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.10.31 03:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: StinkFinger switch the laser cap bonus to neut and nos range bonus switch the cap amount to neut and nos amount fixed. If by fixed you mean "broken" yes, its fixed. you have a better idea? or are you one of the deluded ones who thinks amarr is fine? Originally by: Karanth That's like sitting on your hand till it goes numb, so it's like a stranger. It's not as satisfying, and I'LL know the difference.
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt	Posted - 2007.10.31 04:17:00 - [22] Edited by: Letifer Deus on 31/10/2007 04:22:56 Originally by: Transcendant One Armor HP suggests pvp use, no damage bonus does not. If it isn't a threat it'll just be killed last, not a good idea. For PvE it would be outdone by the abaddon. Damage + resists > resists + hp. What the apoc is a role that clearly differenciates it from the other amarr battleships and is useful at the same time. Sorry, amarr are supposed to be plate tankers. If you want to run missions all day long, you can get a paladin when they come out or use a race that's actually good for pve. And so what if it's outdone by the abbadon in pve? What is your point? Apoc still does good dmg with beams or tachs. In fact, with 8x mega beams it does more turret dmg than a 7x 425 rail mega. OR run a triple ancillary 8x tach apoc. With 1 HS2 it does only ~4% less damage than a mega with 7x 425s and 2 MS2s. You're right, it's not a threat at all. How does 5% armor res and 10% armor hp NOT clearly differentiate it from the arma or abbadon? How is this setup NOT useful. apoc with insane armor would be amazing. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Transcendant One	Posted - 2007.10.31 04:51:00 - [23] Edited by: Transcendant One on 31/10/2007 04:53:31 Originally by: Letifer Deus Sorry, amarr are supposed to be plate tankers. And? They already are. I didn't suggest it should active tank. Quote: If you want to run missions all day long, you can get a paladin when they come out or use a race that's actually good for pve. And so what if it's outdone by the abbadon in pve? What is your point? That's my second point, that it wouldn't be good in pve. It follows directly my first point, that it wouldn't be much good in pvp. Quote: Apoc still does good dmg with beams or tachs. In fact, with 8x mega beams it does more turret dmg than a 7x 425 rail mega. The Abaddon does more, and without the cap bonuses you'd have the same sustainability problem without the damage advantage. Quote: OR run a triple ancillary 8x tach apoc. With 1 HS2 it does only ~4% less damage than a mega with 7x 425s and 2 MS2s. You're right, it's not a threat at all. Good luck getting a decent 8 tach fit with its current cpu. Decent meaning 3 HS and hitting out to ~160km. Even with buffed cpu/grid and your proposed bonuses it would still be outdone as a sniper by the Abaddon. See point above. Think about this for a second: you have your 8 tach hp/resist bonused Apoc, and the guy next to you has an Abaddon. Both of you have the same cap issues, except he actually contributes more to the fleet than you do. And with only a dcu as tank in a tach fleet setup, your extra armor won't make much of a difference anyway once you do get shot. Quote: How does 5% armor res and 10% armor hp NOT clearly differentiate it from the arma or abbadon? It does, but: Quote: How is this setup NOT useful. apoc with insane armor would be amazing. Being hard to kill isn't enough of an advantage if you're little threat. It only means you die last. With two tanking bonuses it helps a gang or fleet less than the other two amarr battleships, granted it would be decent solo, but that's rather limited. And considering its damage, it would still struggle vs armor tanks. I'm all for an armor hp bonus, but hp + resists means that with its current 75m3 drone bay damage output will still be underwhelming with pulses, and with tachs the abaddon would be a better choice.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.31 04:54:00 - [24] tbh i think apoc is fine, its a tach boat.
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:04:00 - [25] Originally by: Gneeznow tbh i think apoc is fine, its a tach boat. The Apoc is worse than the Armageddon in every conceivable way when it comes to shooting with Tachs. An Apoc with a full rack of Tachs has less PG and less CPU available than the Armageddon with a full rack, and it does far less damage.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:19:00 - [26] Originally by: Xequecal Originally by: Gneeznow tbh i think apoc is fine, its a tach boat. The Apoc is worse than the Armageddon in every conceivable way when it comes to shooting with Tachs. An Apoc with a full rack of Tachs has less PG and less CPU available than the Armageddon with a full rack, and it does far less damage. iirc i had a lot of probs fitting tachs on a geddon due to pg, but they fit fine on an apoc, i was always of the opinion Geddon = megabeams, apoc = tach's, altho i could be wrong, it just seemed to be a lot smoother fitting an apoc with tachs
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.10.31 06:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: Xequecal Originally by: Gneeznow tbh i think apoc is fine, its a tach boat. The Apoc is worse than the Armageddon in every conceivable way when it comes to shooting with Tachs. An Apoc with a full rack of Tachs has less PG and less CPU available than the Armageddon with a full rack, and it does far less damage. iirc i had a lot of probs fitting tachs on a geddon due to pg, but they fit fine on an apoc, i was always of the opinion Geddon = megabeams, apoc = tach's, altho i could be wrong, it just seemed to be a lot smoother fitting an apoc with tachs An Apoc has 3750 more PG than an Armageddon. A Tach needs 3712.5 PG with AWU V. If you don't have AWU V, the Armageddon will have more PG with 7 Tachs than the Apoc will have with 8.
KD.Fluffy The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.31 06:28:00 - [28] Edited by: KD.Fluffy on 31/10/2007 06:33:02 Edited by: KD.Fluffy on 31/10/2007 06:31:24 Edited by: KD.Fluffy on 31/10/2007 06:31:06 Apoc is a pretty good platform for tachyon beams... I dont quiete understand what the big problem with it is..... Quote: Think about this for a second: you have your 8 tach hp/resist bonused Apoc, and the guy next to you has an Abaddon. Both of you have the same cap issues, except he actually contributes more to the fleet than you do. And with only a dcu as tank in a tach fleet setup, your extra armor won't make much of a difference anyway once you do get shot. I hope you realize how fast a tachyon abbadon caps out next to an apoc... lol you have burst damage, or more DOT. Take your pick that is the difference between these two battleships. Quote: or a 10% range bonus that would be ridiculusly broken. what role would the rokh have what-so-ever? Boost The Eagle!
Transcendant One	Posted - 2007.10.31 06:41:00 - [29] I was referring to the apoc with his proposed changes, that don't include cap bonuses. Reading helps before replying.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.31 07:11:00 - [30] Originally by: StinkFinger Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: StinkFinger switch the laser cap bonus to neut and nos range bonus switch the cap amount to neut and nos amount fixed. If by fixed you mean "broken" yes, its fixed. you have a better idea? or are you one of the deluded ones who thinks amarr is fine? I have never weighed in on the amarran problem... <.< >.>

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