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Xequecal	Posted - 2007.10.31 07:59:00 - [31] Edited by: Xequecal on 31/10/2007 07:58:48 Quote: I hope you realize how fast a tachyon abbadon caps out next to an apoc... lol you have burst damage, or more DOT. Take your pick that is the difference between these two battleships. With the large amount of lag that comes with fleet engagements the Abaddon's capacitor is far less of a problem than you think. It takes quite a bit of time to start shooting at the second target due to lag, and your cap can recharge during this time. Abaddon's cap issues only come to light if you have to switch from shooting fleet to shooting pos without refitting. Quote: that would be ridiculusly broken. what role would the rokh have what-so-ever? It would still have longer range. Also, much easier fitting, and it can fit a passive tank to absorb some damage with the resist bonus. Apocalypse only has 500 CPU and the mid slots are predetermined, (MWD, SB, SB, injector) which means tracking computers are right out. That means 3x tracking enhancer in the lows to hit max range, and you also need 2x RCU II to fit the guns, which means only 2 heat sinks and no tank. The Rokh has room for two shield extenders and a damage control since it doesn't need a single optimal range mod to hit to 200km, and only needs 1 RCU for a fleet fit. Hell, you can make do with one sensor booster and fit 3 shield extenders if your LRT skill is maxed, 180km targeting range is farther than any other battleship can shoot. In short, large HP buffer, more resists, more DPS, (can fit 3 damage mod easy) more range.
Endo Scrote	Posted - 2007.11.01 00:56:00 - [32] AS a real noob is there any advantage in using projectiles on the Apoc considering it gets no bonus other than cap for lasers? I love the cap on the apoc and not using lasers can make a big difference if used elsewhere
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.01 00:58:00 - [33] Originally by: Endo Scrote AS a real noob is there any advantage in using projectiles on the Apoc considering it gets no bonus other than cap for lasers? I love the cap on the apoc and not using lasers can make a big difference if used elsewhere Well, its a trade-off. You will do slightly less DPS, with less range, but you will get no cap use and freedom to fit it how you would like to. Another plus is you can rat anywhere with it, instead of just the south/drone regions. ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.01 01:02:00 - [34] Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Endo Scrote AS a real noob is there any advantage in using projectiles on the Apoc considering it gets no bonus other than cap for lasers? I love the cap on the apoc and not using lasers can make a big difference if used elsewhere Well, its a trade-off. You will do slightly less DPS, with less range, but you will get no cap use and freedom to fit it how you would like to. Another plus is you can rat anywhere with it, instead of just the south/drone regions. AC/Arty Geddon rats better than an Apoc.
Nahzgul	Posted - 2007.11.01 05:32:00 - [35] Yes lets change the apoc and once it is changed then we can complain that it runs out of cap too fast....
punnani	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:49:00 - [36] just checked, my apoc still sux damn ccp, fix my mining ship 10% to cargohold per level 20% to mining lazers yield per level
Kadoes Khan	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:44:00 - [37] Change to a Khanid ship! -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity."
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.07 21:39:00 - [38] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Endo Scrote AS a real noob is there any advantage in using projectiles on the Apoc considering it gets no bonus other than cap for lasers? I love the cap on the apoc and not using lasers can make a big difference if used elsewhere Well, its a trade-off. You will do slightly less DPS, with less range, but you will get no cap use and freedom to fit it how you would like to. Another plus is you can rat anywhere with it, instead of just the south/drone regions. AC/Arty Geddon rats better than an Apoc. I don't get that? Why would a geddon with ACs/arties work better than a geddon with acs or arties? I mean its not like the apoc is really loosing any usefull bonuses, so it can tank harder and fit more guns aswell with ACs. The geddon would be loosing 1 useful bonus and be fitting one less gun... ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.07 21:56:00 - [39] Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Endo Scrote AS a real noob is there any advantage in using projectiles on the Apoc considering it gets no bonus other than cap for lasers? I love the cap on the apoc and not using lasers can make a big difference if used elsewhere Well, its a trade-off. You will do slightly less DPS, with less range, but you will get no cap use and freedom to fit it how you would like to. Another plus is you can rat anywhere with it, instead of just the south/drone regions. AC/Arty Geddon rats better than an Apoc. I don't get that? Why would a geddon with ACs/arties work better than a geddon with acs or arties? I mean its not like the apoc is really loosing any usefull bonuses, so it can tank harder and fit more guns aswell with ACs. The geddon would be loosing 1 useful bonus and be fitting one less gun... Extra low for damage that equals aproximately 22% increase in damage in place of the 8th turret that would mean 14.28% extra damage. Plus, you don't need 4 mids in ratting, just 3 will do. Larger drone bay which means an aditional 100 dps from drones. Enough grid even on the Geddon to go with 800's - which are better at ratting than dual 425/650 because of lower ammo consumption. And last but not least, it is much much cheaper. :) PS: 7 turrets means 1 utility slot for tractor beam. Failgeddon wrecks CCP for XXX annoyed customers !
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.07 22:03:00 - [40] Originally by: Setana Manoro Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Endo Scrote AS a real noob is there any advantage in using projectiles on the Apoc considering it gets no bonus other than cap for lasers? I love the cap on the apoc and not using lasers can make a big difference if used elsewhere Well, its a trade-off. You will do slightly less DPS, with less range, but you will get no cap use and freedom to fit it how you would like to. Another plus is you can rat anywhere with it, instead of just the south/drone regions. AC/Arty Geddon rats better than an Apoc. I don't get that? Why would a geddon with ACs/arties work better than a geddon with acs or arties? I mean its not like the apoc is really loosing any usefull bonuses, so it can tank harder and fit more guns aswell with ACs. The geddon would be loosing 1 useful bonus and be fitting one less gun... Extra low for damage that equals aproximately 22% increase in damage in place of the 8th turret that would mean 14.28% extra damage. Plus, you don't need 4 mids in ratting, just 3 will do. Larger drone bay which means an aditional 100 dps from drones. Enough grid even on the Geddon to go with 800's - which are better at ratting than dual 425/650 because of lower ammo consumption. And last but not least, it is much much cheaper. :) PS: 7 turrets means 1 utility slot for tractor beam. alright, back under the bridge for me. Thanks. ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer
Ruciza	Posted - 2007.11.07 22:28:00 - [41] Originally by: dalman Yep, Copeland show time and time again on the aAa kb that an apoc is useless in fleets by being top of the mails. And it's also forbidden to use the apoc (partly) for neutralizing in smaller gangs, it's obviously also useless there as well. Impossibile! We can't let reality impinge upon a perfectly good whine!
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.07 22:32:00 - [42] Originally by: Ruciza Originally by: dalman Yep, Copeland show time and time again on the aAa kb that an apoc is useless in fleets by being top of the mails. And it's also forbidden to use the apoc (partly) for neutralizing in smaller gangs, it's obviously also useless there as well. Impossibile! We can't let reality impinge upon a perfectly good whine! This just in, Apocs melt unhardened shields well, gaining high spots on killboards!!! ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.07 22:32:00 - [43] Originally by: Ruciza Originally by: dalman Yep, Copeland show time and time again on the aAa kb that an apoc is useless in fleets by being top of the mails. And it's also forbidden to use the apoc (partly) for neutralizing in smaller gangs, it's obviously also useless there as well. Impossibile! We can't let reality impinge upon a perfectly good whine! here here ! Failgeddon wrecks CCP for XXX annoyed customers !

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