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ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.10.31 13:43:00 - [31] Originally by: Avon i can see you're point, and i agree - the eve forums could be a much more pleasant place. On the other hand the eve forums are fairly representative of the game itself, and i'm not convinced the majority of forumites come here to have reasonable discussions.
Captain Thunk Omniscient Order Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.10.31 13:44:00 - [32] Originally by: Avon It doesn't matter if I was bothered about it or not, just that it was posted as a personal slight, which is against the forum rules. By ignoring these things CCP are seen to condone them, and that is an unfortunate state of affairs. The more people get away with, the further they will try to push the boundries, and looking at where those boundries already seem to be, that is a worrying thought. Let's talk about organised character assassinations shall we? How about "CCP help me cheat" forum signatures? Unfortunately the very boundaries you're talking about were pushed a long time ago by yourself and your friends. As I keep saying, you're no different, you're only bothered about it now because you're on the backfoot - up until then you didn't give a damn because it suited you down to the ground. THUNK!
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.31 13:53:00 - [33] May I suggest that until CCP actually employ some forum moderators that people start using CAOD Cleaner? Version 2.2 allows block lists to be applied to any EVE forum, not just CAOD. For instance, I no longer see any posts from any members of GoonFleet, any posts from the new Jenny Spitfire, none of shinsushi's constant Amarr whines, etc etc. Anyone posting offensive material, abusive attacks, repeating the same whines over and over again, deliberate and obvious trolling, all get blocked. Of course it doesn't stop the appalling view of EVE that the forums show now, but it makes my time here less unpleasant. Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.10.31 14:00:00 - [34] @Thunk @Avon You may both have pertinent grounds behind your allegations. However I doubt that washing dirty laundry in public while not making abstraction of your personal perspective will do any good. Let's try to talk generic here, if not I'm afraid this thread will end exactly the way it shouldn't.
Captain Thunk Omniscient Order Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.10.31 14:11:00 - [35] Originally by: Semkhet @Thunk @Avon You may both have pertinent grounds behind your allegations. However I doubt that washing dirty laundry in public while not making abstraction of your personal perspective will do any good. Let's try to talk generic here, if not I'm afraid this thread will end exactly the way it shouldn't. Indeed Semkhet, I'm not trying to derail the thread, just portraying that the seeds for what we have today were planted a longtime ago and some of the loudest complainers didn't do anything about it at the time because it didn't matter till it affected them. It also goes a long way to show why community moderation wouldn't work. People with multiple accounts get more than one vote, larger alliances get a larger slice of say. The list goes on, it's not feasible to implement any form of community moderation without it being quickly perverted. I'd expect first to be banned by the community would be Dark Shikari (just for giggles) followed quickly by every well known political alliance figure you've ever heard off. Even the mail-a-mod system has been open to abuse, it's not uncommon for people to feign offence and lodge a complaint in the hope of getting a warning or ban on one of their enemies. Not to mention that a rogue mod released a hell of a lot of peoples e-mails and what they were complaining about. There have also been allegations that moderators allow their ingame allegiances to sway their decisions. What I'm saying in a long winded way is that I don't think the community is fit to regulate itself, as I said initially, it's been pressure from the community that has brought about some of the worst gameplay decisions and is now a standard weapon for people crowbarring the game to fit their playstyle - I wouldn't trust them to decide who can and can't post as well THUNK!
Sebastien LeReparteur Minmatar SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp	Posted - 2007.10.31 14:12:00 - [36] Can we then get an ignore/hide function :)
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.10.31 14:41:00 - [37] Ill get me coat SKUNK
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.31 14:51:00 - [38] Originally by: Sebastien LeReparteur Can we then get an ignore/hide function :) Please see my post a few posts above yours. CAOD Cleaner is exactly that, an ignore/hide function for the EVE forums. Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
Raid Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.10.31 14:54:00 - [39] Originally by: Captain Thunk Originally by: Avon It doesn't matter if I was bothered about it or not, just that it was posted as a personal slight, which is against the forum rules. By ignoring these things CCP are seen to condone them, and that is an unfortunate state of affairs. The more people get away with, the further they will try to push the boundries, and looking at where those boundries already seem to be, that is a worrying thought. Let's talk about organised character assassinations shall we? How about "CCP help me cheat" forum signatures? Unfortunately the very boundaries you're talking about were pushed a long time ago by yourself and your friends. As I keep saying, you're no different, you're only bothered about it now because you're on the backfoot - up until then you didn't give a damn because it suited you down to the ground. THUNK! It seems like your argument is "well you guys did it and now its being done to you so that makes it ok". It wasnt ok then and it isnt ok now. Plain and simple at least back then there was some moderation to keep it under some level of control. The current situation is completely out of hand. The post in COAD with the evacuation picture was up for more than 24 hours before it was locked. I e-mailed the mods about it and in under 10 minutes it was deleted. It contained so much disgusting imagery it wasnt just locked it was deleted completely.
grizouh Tri Optimum Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.10.31 15:00:00 - [40] Originally by: Apocryphai May I suggest that until CCP actually employ some forum moderators that people start using CAOD Cleaner? Version 2.2 allows block lists to be applied to any EVE forum, not just CAOD. For instance, I no longer see any posts from any members of GoonFleet... juhu, just the thing i was looking for, thx
Raid Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.10.31 15:02:00 - [41] Originally by: Captain Thunk Indeed Semkhet, I'm not trying to derail the thread, just portraying that the seeds for what we have today were planted a longtime ago and some of the loudest complainers didn't do anything about it at the time because it didn't matter till it affected them. Im a fairly loud complainer about the current situation. Take a look back into forum history and you will see I was very much against the type of forum assasination that BoB was doing at the time. I did not approve of their mob style derailment of thread and the constant bashing of anyone that disagreed with them. However, today we have a similar situation on a scale MUCH larger than what was seen before. Its compounded by the fact that theres almost no moderation to be seen. It was very bad back then but its even worse now. Its gotten so bad that people are getting away with hateful disgusting pictures. There was a post in the COAD that showed a kid crying with a gun pointed at his head. The person holding the gun had an alliance logo over pasted over his upper body. Now can you honestly tell me you saw something similar back when it was bob doing the trolling? Its OUT OF HAND and OVER THE LINE.

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.10.31 15:19:00 - [42] Originally by: brakespear Originally by: Avon We need moderation (and I never thought it would be me saying this), and we need it now. QFT In my more paranoid moments, I sometimes wonder if CCP's masterplan is to cut the number of mods, let the forums fill up with dross and then remove the forums as no longer a useful feature, saving valuable resources No, the forums are very important to us, as a way of communicating with you and we also realise that the forums can in some ways be considered part of the game, by those who go here. We are a bit low on moderators right now, but we will get more people shortly. Avon, I'm saving that quote... Originally by: Kappas. How about "Report post to moderator" like some other forums have? If it's abused by anyone they can get a warning or a ban, whichever is necessary. Btw, what is happening with the moderators? Since their numbers were reduced (and no-one replaced them) flamebait threads and trolling posts have largely been missed, whereas before they were caught and locked/modded. That's a feature we've been working on and I expect that it will be introduced within a month. Of course what I expect and what is reality is not always the same thing, but I'm hopeful. Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang "The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it."

Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.31 15:23:00 - [43] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Avon, I'm saving that quote... He got me again. I'll tell you what though, I'm happy for you to use it against me in the future if it means you'll act upon it soon. Not SoonÖ, but soon. Oh .. and if CCP are looking to, you know, employ moderators ... This post contains a HINT The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.31 15:36:00 - [44] now we are getting nerf whines for the forums GAWD please, all of you die in a fire I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
Kappas. Galaxy Punks O X I D E	Posted - 2007.10.31 15:38:00 - [45] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Kappas. How about "Report post to moderator" like some other forums have? If it's abused by anyone they can get a warning or a ban, whichever is necessary. Btw, what is happening with the moderators? Since their numbers were reduced (and no-one replaced them) flamebait threads and trolling posts have largely been missed, whereas before they were caught and locked/modded. That's a feature we've been working on and I expect that it will be introduced within a month. Of course what I expect and what is reality is not always the same thing, but I'm hopeful. Yay I'd buy you a beer if I were at this years fanfest... maybe next year
Captain Thunk Omniscient Order Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.10.31 15:44:00 - [46] Originally by: Avon Originally by: CCP Wrangler Avon, I'm saving that quote... He got me again. I'll tell you what though, I'm happy for you to use it against me in the future if it means you'll act upon it soon. Not SoonÖ, but soon. Oh .. and if CCP are looking to, you know, employ moderators ... This post contains a HINT I think you should hire Avon as a moderator Wrangler. He is without doubt by far the most honourable poster on this forum when it suits him. Also the report post button would be a good idea, if nothing else, personal e-mail addresses will be less likely to be deposited on the internet in .zip THUNK!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.31 19:32:00 - [47] Wrangily, can I join your corp please? :) --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Neena Valdi Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.31 23:26:00 - [48] Ban goons. Problem solved.
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios Pax Atlantis	Posted - 2007.10.31 23:58:00 - [49] I never would tougth off saying this but i miss the moderators ,principally in CAOD that forum is now a cesspool ,it always was but know the moderators aren't there people keep posting *** and the threads are basically full off spam and other stuff.. I dunno maybe CCP didn't do the right thing firing the volunteers that helped mod the forums,in 3 years off playing this game i never saw this forums the way they are ...and that says allot.
Neena Valdi Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.01 00:00:00 - [50] http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1771556 you get the picture...
Jamie Hara Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.01 00:17:00 - [51] Originally by: Neena Valdi Ban goons. Problem solved. Sorry but alts are part of the problem.
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.01 00:30:00 - [52] Completely agree that the forums need more moderation. Alt posts of flamebait, derailing and trolling are rife, detracting from the genuine folk who want to express themselves here. I'd like to see more mods taking a very harsh stance especially on alts by banning them from posting nonsense and perhaps levying a fine in game for their 'main' for persistent offending. That'd shut up the feckers. As far as popularity contests go I think anyone who spends a while reading the forum develops people who's posts they will take time to read, or simply ignore. I get ignored by everyone anyway but would like a ban just to be cool so I can boast about it on SHC (tangent: terrible tv show). - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.11.01 06:26:00 - [53] not bothering to read the whole thread... solution: block button (like the CAOD blocker script, but site wide). eta: several years from now, most likely. temporary solution? Don't click on links you don't want to read. __________________________________________________ Originally by: Passcal dude.....your name
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.01 07:09:00 - [54] Edited by: Apocryphai on 01/11/2007 07:09:02 Originally by: Mr Friendly not bothering to read the whole thread... solution: block button (like the CAOD blocker script, but site wide). eta: several years from now, most likely. Not reading the thread means you've missed the posts from me pointing out that CAOD Cleaner IS SITE WIDE now. The solution exists. Already. Not "several years from now". Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.11.01 07:56:00 - [55] Originally by: Semkhet Discuss The forumbase regulating the forums?! ..... Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.11.01 08:56:00 - [56] Way too easy to spam the polls. Some of us can call up hundreds of Eve-Online posters to post the exact same thing and/or spam a poll if we wanted, thereby derailing any thread if we cared enough to do so, even if said thread was perfectly fine. So no, I don't trust this eve-online forums community to moderate itself. --- Join BH-DL
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.11.01 08:57:00 - [57] Edited by: Dr Paithos on 01/11/2007 08:58:31 Originally by: Avon Originally by: Captain Thunk Unfortunately Avon, it comes down to perspective. For me, being non-affiliated to no major Alliance player the CAOD forum hasn't actually changed any in the past year or two - only the posters. I strongly disagree. CAOD had never been a temple of love, but at least the walls weren't covered with posters of race hate, the mocking of RL deaths, accusations of RL child abuse, and the like. This is the image of Eve that CCP puts out, of a community where this kind of thing is tolerated .. and things were never like that in the past. This isn't about group A is now dominating group B, it is about good taste and decency. I've seen extended racist and anti-*** rants on these forums by BoB members. You're both quite as bad as each other, and to be honest you should keep Eve politics out of it as this spawns allegations of hypocrisy. Or is it free speech when your alliance do it? Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
MasterDecoy Gallente The Grifters	Posted - 2007.11.01 09:22:00 - [58] Originally by: Neena Valdi Ban goons. Problem solved. Originally by: Evilempire1 good, im pentitioning you for slandering.
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.11.01 10:04:00 - [59] Originally by: olzi By implementing anykind of "popular vote" -system, you effectively give the control to us. goon and bob aren't the only entities on the forum, no matter how much it seems like that sometimes.
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.11.01 10:13:00 - [60] Edited by: Shevar on 01/11/2007 10:13:24 These forums have been a shithole basicly since ISD got announced to be disbanded. How many professional mods have been hired to offset the loss of volenteer mods? --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs

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