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Escaped Convict
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Posted - 2007.10.31 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Escaped Convict on 31/10/2007 13:27:01
Form what i have seen it seems clear that ccp has intended this "Change" to fix the glaring issue with drones namely
"Cruiser size ships are able to use weapons meant for Battleships" HEAVY DRONES.
if an amar HAC could fit a full rack of Heavy Pulse Lasers then that would be a obvious foul up yet a drone ship of any race Cruiser or battleCruiser is able to do just this with its weapon type!
Hopefully ccp will change drones BUT still make drone ships par with the rest of the weapon types but i think things like "OMG THE MEYRMADON CAN ONLY FIT 3 HEAVIES" is what peeps are getting upset about. but what peeps should be asking is how are CCP going to fix the drop in DPS from Heavies to Meds on ships like this that peeps have gotten so used to fitting with Heavies.
Should an Ishtar fit heavies "well atm its bonuses says yes but will they on patch day?" i could see it getting a massive bonus to drone damage but a small bandwidth so like a HAC it fights with T2 Meduim weaponry but generates alot of DPS. but has a larg cargo hold by default to fit lots of waves of drones.
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Venec
Rave Technologies Inc.
C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.10.31 14:02:00 -
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gb2jail
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Jernau Gurgeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.31 14:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Escaped Convict
if an amar HAC could fit a full rack of Heavy Pulse Lasers then that would be a obvious foul up yet a drone ship of any race Cruiser or battleCruiser is able to do just this with its weapon type!
Heavy Pulse Lasers are medium weapons.
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Xilimyth Derlin
The Funkalistic
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.31 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jernau Gurgeh
Originally by: Escaped Convict
if an amar HAC could fit a full rack of Heavy Pulse Lasers then that would be a obvious foul up yet a drone ship of any race Cruiser or battleCruiser is able to do just this with its weapon type!
Heavy Pulse Lasers are medium weapons.
Common misconception by players. Gotta give people that are not amarr a break. I have a friend that's been playing for 3 years and still calls the classes of weapons Light -> Medium -> Heavy instead of Small -> Medium -> Large or by module names.
Oh but it's a good thing he doesn't play Amarr.... I could imagine him fitting an Apoc with Heavy Beams and then crying about the damage for a battleship :D
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Jenea
Gallente
The Copernicus Institute
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Posted - 2007.10.31 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Escaped Convict
Edited by: Escaped Convict on 31/10/2007 13:27:01
"Cruiser size ships are able to use weapons meant for Battleships" HEAVY DRONES.
That is all fine and well, if a full compliment of heavy drones was equal to a similar, full-battery of heavy weapons. Unfortunately, 5 heavy drones does not equal battleship damage. |
Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
Do Or Die And Live Or Try
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Posted - 2007.10.31 15:10:00 -
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OP: You might have changed it from heavy pulse to heavy beams, but it is still a cruiser size weapon 
Now, go run the numbers on the total DPS a Myrmidon can do against a Harbinger. With Medium drones and Heavy drones.
You will probably see a rather big difference when the myrm fits heavy drones and only a small difference when it fits mediums.
There should be no fix required for the Myrms drop in DPS.
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
Do Or Die And Live Or Try
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Posted - 2007.10.31 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Jaketh Ivanes on 31/10/2007 15:14:58
Originally by: Jenea
Originally by: Escaped Convict
Edited by: Escaped Convict on 31/10/2007 13:27:01
"Cruiser size ships are able to use weapons meant for Battleships" HEAVY DRONES.
That is all fine and well, if a full compliment of heavy drones was equal to a similar, full-battery of heavy weapons. Unfortunately, 5 heavy drones does not equal battleship damage.
Have you ever seen a drone boat that doesn't have gun slots???
Beeing able to fit BS weapons in conjunction with you Cruiser weapons is wrong. Especially since no other race could do it. The Arbitrator were never able to deploy 5 heavies.
But with you logic, an Omen able to field 4 Mega Pulse's but only 5 Medium drones is ok? The 4 Mega Pulses won't be on par with an Apoc fitted with Mega Pulses.
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Escaped Convict
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Posted - 2007.10.31 15:17:00 -
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thanks for pionting ot my mistake have corrected it now :)
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Shar'Tuk TheHated
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Posted - 2007.10.31 15:18:00 -
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In short, The myrmadon with the right skills could do just about as much as a Raven. This is head and shoulders above any of the other teir 2 bc race ships. To boot it has a fantastic tank something the next 2 top teir 2 bc damage dealers dont have if you want lots of gank. Now for the Ishtar, its a hac and it should deal heavy drone damage. Stop your whinning tbh, this is a good thing. Flame on.
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Xaen
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.10.31 15:28:00 -
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No one in this thread seems to realize that the myrmidon won't be fielding heavy drones anymore. I don't think the ishtar will either.
I have excellent drone skills and love the myrm in pvp, but I won't really miss the giant PITA that heavy drones are. They're far too slow with far too big a sig radius to be worth using IMO. If you can hit a battleship with several LSE IIs moving at 1000m/s you can hit a heavy drone.
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Dzajic
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.31 16:01:00 -
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Pure BS.
Both ships fitted with MWD, web, scram, cap booster. Myrm has T1 named RSD (thats what evil Myrms fit, right?)
For both ships one T2 damage mod and armor tank in lows. All skills presumed at 5.
Myrm has 5x Heavy Neutron Blaster II, no way to put in 6th in realistic setup. Harbinger with 7x Heavy Pulse II. Harbi with 5x Hammerhead 2. Tank on both ships is 2x meditation armor rep (cant fit rest with MARIIs), EANM II, Explosive Hardened II, Internal Force field array (Myrm could fit DC II).
Myrm rigs: Ancillary Current, Aux Nano Pump, Nano accelerator. Harbi: 2x Ancillary (yes fitting 7x Heavy Pulse is difficult), Aux nano pump.
Both ships cant hold cap. Harbi runs for 4 minutes, Myrm for 2 mins.
Harbi has 612 total dps, With conflagration 453 from guns. Optimal 7.5km. With scorch, 23km optimal 515 dps.
With 5x Ogre II Myrm has 770 dps, 305 from guns. Optimal 3.4km. To rescoop drones he would have to be even closer.
Now, Myrm with 5xHammerhead II has 540dps (total; still 305 from guns).
Maximum future configuration, 2xOgreII, 2x Hamm II 1x Hobog II has 617 DPS (305 from guns).
So, we have a Myrm that can hold cap for half the time, and to do damage realistically must get well into scram range. And half DPS is killable. OK, it tanks better, for 2 mins.
Now please, yes im a uninformed noob, blah blah. Please post your EFT theory work to show us the BS damaging BS tanking Myrm, and poor impotent Harbi. Other rig selection is possible, and i haven't taken implants into account in any way.
Lasers have very good damage potential. But i of course accept following problems: needs godly skills to hold cap, has a problem with fitting, often insufficient slots for "mandatory" PvP fits.
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Firkragg
Blue Labs
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.10.31 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Xilimyth Derlin
Originally by: Jernau Gurgeh
Originally by: Escaped Convict
if an amar HAC could fit a full rack of Heavy Pulse Lasers then that would be a obvious foul up yet a drone ship of any race Cruiser or battleCruiser is able to do just this with its weapon type!
Heavy Pulse Lasers are medium weapons.
Common misconception by players. Gotta give people that are not amarr a break. I have a friend that's been playing for 3 years and still calls the classes of weapons Light -> Medium -> Heavy instead of Small -> Medium -> Large or by module names.
Oh but it's a good thing he doesn't play Amarr.... I could imagine him fitting an Apoc with Heavy Beams and then crying about the damage for a battleship :D
You can fit an apoc with mega pulses and still be crying about the damage for a battleship
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Franconis
Gallente
Down In Flames
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Posted - 2007.10.31 17:12:00 -
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The myrm had alot more potential damage output before the nerf than the other tier 2 BCs, so as long as it's on par with the other BCs after the nerf I don't have a problem with it. What bothers me more is that a current myrm horribly outdamages a t2 fitted gank brutix .
The only things i'm worried about with the drone changes are the phobos (which iirc doesn't field any drones at all) and the vexor. I haven't seen the new stats for the vexor, but i'd like to have at least 100m3 dronebay and 50mb bandwith just to keep it useful. As for the Phobos, it's a thorax hull and I think it should at least be able to match the thorax's drone stats.
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SuperSarge
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.10.31 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dzajic
Harb - 515dps (not including drones) (5x hammer2's or 5x ecm)
Myrmi - 617(including drones)
^^ edited for space and accuracy
I have no problem with nerf on the myrmi, but I do think the nerf on the eos went to far, 7 turrets is not inline with other fleet, so ok 5 turrets, but it should retain the ability to field 5x heavy drones(Unbonused), standard (non-gank) set-up
2xmar2
1xdcu2
1xeanm 2
1x exp hard
1xmwd
2xweb
1x-1/24km
1xmedium booster/800's
5xion2
2xaux nano
5xhvy drone
(Mix of others)
Total DPS (about ~ 500)
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