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Raudka	Posted - 2004.02.28 03:44:00 - [1] Bopping around Amarr space in my Maulus I was aghast to see how wretched the starting systems were in regards to ore. The mining inclined new players of EVE and just those doing agent missions have a hard time of actually finding an asteroid, never mind extracting sufficient amount out of it in their starting system. Since CCP seems to think of this as Someone Elses Problem (somone else being the new players) what we can do is to name and shame those corporations that show a complete lack of consideration towards those just starting the game, thereby possibly damaging it's success. The first steps in EVE are hard enough (getting to know how basic things work takes days and weeks) without established corporations doing their best to hinder the first steps of the new citizens. So I made a quick trip to the 3 starting Amarr systems and below you find the results of my survey of the empty asteroid belts. These corporations should be ashamed, remove their containers at once and stay out of 1.0 space with their mining operations. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.02.28 03:44:00 - [2] Emrayur (Amarr Starting System) IV-1 CTE (Cni Tnayovrialc Eht) - Large Secure IG (Imperial Dreams) - Large Secure x2 MPIP (Murkon Prime Interstellar Productions) - Large Secure (adcan) FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) PLEIO (Pleione Inc) - Small Secure (adcan) TACTI (Tactical Logistics) - Small Secure (adcan) RATI (Rat Annhiliation Incorporated) - Large Secure + Huge Secure VI-1 ATUK (Arcane Techologies) - Giant Secure PRV (Privateer Trade and Investment Corp.) - Giant Secure x2 MONK (Hooded Monk Mining Industries) - Large Secure (adcan) IG (Imperial Dreams) - Large Secure x4 N.I. (Neutral Industries) - Large Secure MPIP (Murkon Prime Interstellar Productions) - Large Secure x2 + Large Secure (adcan) FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) O.R.E (Orbital Reclamation and Excavation) - Small Secure (adcan) JJ (jojojow Corp) - 4x Large Secure [one man corp] -GE- (The Galactic Empire) - Medium Secure VIII-1 UO (United Outworlders Corporation) - Large Secure CVLC (Crimson Void Logistics) - Large Secure MPIP (Murkon Prime Interstellar Productions) - Large Secure (adcan) NBINC (New Beginning INC) - Small Secure (adcan) FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) TACTI (Tactical Logistics) - Small Secure (adcan) ANGEL (Angel Constellation) - Giant Secure x4, Large Secure FUSE (Fusion inc) - Giant Secure x5 VIII-2 IG (Imperial Dreams) - Giant Secure x9 OTC (Ota Corps) - Large Secure x2 L.I. (Liberty Industries) - Large Secure x5 SINV (Sol'Invictus) - Large Secure MPIP (Murkon Prime Interstellar Productions) - Large Secure (adcan) FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) O.R.E (Orbital Reclamation and Excavation) - Small Secure (adcan) Emrayur "Champion": Imperial Dreams - Large Secure x6, Giant Secure x9 -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.02.28 03:45:00 - [3] Chaven (Amarr Starting System) II-1 DARKO (Dark Omega Corp) - Large Secure L-F (Laissez-Faire) - Giant Secure x2 L.A.W (Imperial Judges) - Giant Secure x2 U-S-M (United Systems Military) - Giant Secure MYT (Myst Technologies) - Large Secure x2 FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) PLEIO (Pleione Inc) - Small Secure (adcan) DRS (Dark Seraph) - Small Secure UNF (UNF) - Small Secure (adcan) III-1 DARKO (Dark Omega Corp) - Large Secure ACME. (A.C.M.E. Corp) - Giant Secure x2, Large Secure CLOG (Capital Logistics) - Giant Secure U-S-M (United Systems Military) - Large Secure BNC (Black Nova Corp) - Giant Secure x2 FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) TBG (The Black Guards) - Giant Secure x12 VI-1 OEC (O.E.C.) - Giant Secure x2 ACME. (A.C.M.E. Corp) - Giant Secure x3 REDD (The Red Dragon) - Giant Secure EIB (Eurisko International Business Inc.) - Large Secure x2 FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) VIII-1 ASW (Asgard Schiffswerften) - Giant Secure O R C (O R C Outrage Compliant) - Giant Secure G T I (German Tech Industries) - Giant Secure x3 FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) Chaven "Champion": The Black Guards - Giant Secure x12 -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.02.28 03:45:00 - [4] Sehmy (Amarr Starting System) VI-1 DUST (Stardust Heavy Industries) - Giant Secure x5 GQ (Galactic Quest) - Small Secure (adcan) FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) VII-1 TSSR (The Stainless Steel Rats) - Giant Secure, Huge Secure FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) VII-2 STC (Setenta Corp) - Giant Secure x2 SONNE (Sonnema) - Giant Secure UDIE (Burn Eden) - Giant Secure x7 FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) VII-3 FUALL (FUALL) - Small Secure (adcan) Sehmy "Champion": Burn Eden - Giant Secure x7 -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.02.28 03:48:00 - [5] In regards to the Small Secure adcans (Fuall managing to enter every belt, impressive attention to detail) then they are per se not a mining operation module. However it should show you how cluttered many of those asteroid belts are. Finding an asteroid is harder than not bumping into a container. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.02.28 10:39:00 - [6] Quote: actually those cans sit there empty. we haven't mined in sehmy since our newb corp. but having a low sec rating the owner of those cans can't get into high sec space anymore. i can remember when those rocks weren't too bad in size. and they are striped bare now? Sehmy actually has more asteroids than containers, which is unique in high security space. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.02.28 10:42:00 - [7] Quote: Anyone have a list of all the starting systems? Thx. Funny guy. No shame. Less than zero honor. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.02.28 17:50:00 - [8] Edited by: Raudka on 28/02/2004 17:51:45 Quote: Aren't we in Imperial Dreams the scum of the earth? Ninja mining all that lovely veldspar from underneath the newbies noses? Nothing to do with the fact that we regularly recruit brand new players and teach them how to play from the ground up. So errrm yeah.... when you see us mining in battleships in 1.0 systems then you might have a point. Until then, shut up, go back to your pointless existance and stop bringing idiotic half-truths to the boards. It makes you look very stupid when you don't know whats going on. Once you recruit them you might want to move them to a 0.9 system? Your manner sadly seems to confirm your corporations conduct. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.03.01 10:47:00 - [9] Ammold (Minmatar starting system) I-1 CRTL (C.A.R.T.E.L) - Small Secure (adcan) FMC (The Friendly Mining Company) - Small Secure (adcan) HEL (Hells Fury) - Large Secure x7 IONC (Ion Corp.) - Giant Secure ITE (Independendt Trading Elite) - 2x Large Secure LDY (Lightspeed Drive Yards) - Huge Secure NEX (Nexus Inc) - Small Secure (adcan) NOAN (Nocturnus Angelus) - 2x Giant Secure OP CL (Opius Clan) - Giant Secure RG (Roving Guns Inc.) - Large Secure VMC (Veratech Military Corps.) - Large Secure WEDGE (The Wedge) - Medium Secure NPC corp - 15x Large Secure, 2x Medium Secure, 2x small Secure adcan Total of 0 asteroids and 39 containers! IV-1 A.T.C (Advance Tech Corp.) - Giant Secure CPA (Crimson Permanent Assurance) - 5x Large Secure GFINC (Goodfellas Inc.) - 3x Large Secure IONC (Ion Corp.) - Giant Secure L.O.D (Legion of Doom) - Giant Secure LGW (The Lone Gunwoman) - 8x Large Secure (one woman corp) ORES (O.R.E. Syndicate) - Large Secure OTC (Ota Corps) - Large Secure SKUF (skuf) - 2x Large Secure SPHER (Spehere of Influence) - 4x Large Secure TAG (The Avengean Guard) - Large Secure TCD (The Core Domination) - Large Secure TLSW (The Legion of Steel Warriors....) - Large Secure 1x NPC corp Small Secure Again 0 asteroids. IX-1 EVER (Everlasting Vendetta) - Giant Secure HHT (Head Hunters Tribe) - 2x Huge Secure NERD (N.E.R.D. Inc) - 2x Giant Secure NPC corp - 3x Giant Secure, 1x Medium Secure 10 small Veldspar! Remarkable!!! IX-2 AIM (Association Independent Minmatar) - Medium Secure A-N (Assassin-Nation) - Giant Secure FMC (The Friendly Mining Company) - Small Secure (adcan) IONC (Ion Corp.) - 3x Giant Secure ORES (O.R.E. Syndicate) - Huge Secure UNO X (Uno Equis) - Large Secure X-TEC (X-Technologies) - Small Secure (outdated! adcan) NPC corp - 1x Huge Secure, 7x Large Secure, 2x Giant Secure V-1 -HC- (Hegemonic Core) - Medium Secure REDCO (Red Corsairs.) - Large Secure NPC corp - 6x Large Secure VIII-1 ATI (Applied Technologies Inc) - Large Secure F-E (Forsaken Empire) - 3x Giant Secure, Huge Secure FMC (The Friendly Mining Company) - Small Secure (adcan) M.I.A (Minmatar Industrial Activists) - Giant Secure Several asteroids! VIII-2 BPC (BPC) - 1x Giant Secure (named "Stripping a NOOB belt near you") FTG (Freethinkers Guild) - 2x Large Secure ITCO (Infinite Trinity Corp.) - Giant Secure NOUNI (University Slackers) - 4x Giant Secure SPHER (Sphere of Influence) - 7x Large Secure, 5x Giant NPC corp - 1x Giant Secure, 8x Large Secure VIII-3 A-N (Assassin-Nation) - Huge Secure ASY (Asylum Industries) - 4x Large Secure CBINC (CBI) - 3x Huge Secure FMC (The Friendly Mining Company) - Small Secure (adcan) .ICE. (Ice is coming to Eve) - Small Secure ITE (Independendt Trading Elite) - Giant Secure ORES (O.R.E. Syndicate) - Large Secure TWIB (Twilight Brotherhood) - Medium Secure NPC corp - 3x Huge Secure, 3x Large Secure -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.03.01 10:50:00 - [10] My question to CCP is very simple. How are you making life easier for new players in starting system? In fact.. how are you making life possible for them in regards of mining? Last I knew tutorial missions included supplying the agent with ore. Has this changed? The naming and shaming is going to continue. Starting in a complex world and environment such as EVE is hard enough without even slightly more experienced players making your first steps that much harder. If we want to break the records by thousands we need to be able to offer the new players a starting chance. Frigates only mining in 1.0 or something? -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.03.01 13:37:00 - [11] Quote: I think you cant blame miners for going into systems without pirates to mine. Mining with 8 lasers AND 10 harvies is much more productive than with 8 lasers alone, as you are unable to use mining drones in pirate infected belts, because the prats tend to target them first. 10 harvies mean abt 30% more yield = 30% more profit. And they have other 1.0 space (non starter systems), 0.9 space (no NPC drones), 0.8 to 0.5 space (weak NPC drones) to do that. They should NOT be doing it in the starting systems if they seriously want EVE to become bigger than the fringe MMO it is. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.03.02 01:07:00 - [12] It's called first impression. You go out to mine your very first batch for your agent and you are greeted with 30+ cargo cans and have trouble spotting a lone baby veldspar. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.03.02 17:01:00 - [13] Quote: Raudka I think I say this for everyone please end yourself. XKTHXBYEX No you seem to say this for yourself using phrases that have long since been made by other players. If you don't like it don't read it. If you are one of the named and shamed, get your cargo containers out of the 1.0 starting systems. -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.03.02 17:57:00 - [14] Hulm (Minmatar starting system) II-1 ARCH (Swedish Archangels) - 4x Giant Secure EY (Einherjar Yggdrasils) - Large Secure (adcan) FMC (The Friendly Mining Company) - Small Secure (adcan) FRCMP (Free Companies) - 4x Medium Secure FUS (Fusion Corp) - Giant Secure IMTC (Indepenedent Minmatar Traders Corporation) - Small Secure NEX (Nexus Inc) - Small Secure (adcan) NPC Corp - 1x Giant Secure, 3x Huge Secure IV-1 EIC (EsreveR Interstellar Corporation) - 2x Large Secure MOENY (1IOpen) - Huge Secure NPC Corp - 2x Giant Secure V-1 FUS (Fusion Corp) - Giant Secure NBH (Narcoleptic Bounty Hunters) - 5x Large Secure NPC Corp - 1x Giant Secure, 1x Huge Secure VIII-1 GQ (Galactic Quest) - Large Secure NDV (Nox Development) - Small Secure (adcan) NPC Corp - 3x Large Secure -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.03.02 18:29:00 - [15] Ryddinjorn (Minmatar Starting System) V-1 NPC Corp - 1x Large Secure, 3x Small Secure V-2 M8 (M'8'S) - Medium Secure NPC Corp - 5x Huge Secure VII-1 NPC Corp - 2x Giant Secure, 1x Medium Secure, 1x Small Secure VII-2 MALI (Malicious Satisfaction Inc.) - Huge Secure, Giant Secure VII-3 HANDG (Holland and Good) - Giant Secure NPC Corp - 1x Giant Secure, 1x Small Secure VII-4 A.W.M (A.W.M) - 3x Large Secure SSAG (Stainless Steel Ore Distribution AG) - 2x Giant Secure NPC Corp - 3x Giant Secure, 2 Huge Secure VII-5 GO (Gouka) - Giant Secure NPC Corp - 1x Giant Secure, 4x Large Secure, 1x Medium Secure, 4x Small Secure VII-6 (none) VII-7 DDNN (DDNN) - Large Secure FU2 (Freelance Unincorporated) - Giant Secure NPC Corp - 1x Small Secure VII-8 JEDI (Joint Espionage and Defence Industries) - 2x Giant Secure NPC Corp - Huge Secure, Giant Secure -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Raudka	Posted - 2004.03.17 00:28:00 - [16] Well it seems that the DEV's did indeed take notice of this problem. Guess I can park my Maulus instead of counting all the damn cans in Kisogo (A LOT!) -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase

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