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Azenn
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Posted - 2007.11.01 01:02:00 -
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As the topic says, how much ISK do you usually make in a given day when considering trading especially.
I've been playing EVE for about 2 months now, mainly focusing on the trade aspect of it while building up my ship skills. Just curious what I should be aiming for to get up to speed with the best of you all. :D
Also, how much ISK do people usually make from running lvl 4 missions per hour?
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.11.01 01:03:00 -
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I make about 100-200 mil a day afk :)
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises
Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.11.01 01:41:00 -
[3]
i make a good 5-10 isk a day, afk or not.
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Taikun
Gallente
Serenity Prime
Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.11.01 01:52:00 -
[4]
 Originally by: Azenn
curious what I should be aiming for to get up to speed with the best of you all. :D
Low capital base... aim for returns in excess of 20%. (30-40% if you cna find them)
Higher capital base. 10% return is ok for low effort things.
Once you have more isk than you can honestly bother investing playing the market etc, if you are not making a billion in a week, you suck at trading.
Taikun
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SencneS
Amarr
Balsarferskratchin Inc
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.01 01:58:00 -
[5]
65mil a day doing about 5-10 minutes work a day.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.11.01 03:06:00 -
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It depends. Do you mean how much do you make a day averaged across your entire career? Or how much have you made per day over the past year? Or how much averaged across the last month? week? Or the best single daily profit?
Each is a very different answer.
Not sure you're gonna get many people to give you honest answers as well as tell you how long they've done that, as that would tell you how much isk they have. Especially when you were not willing to give the information out for yourself.
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Ionus Sojoko
Minmatar
Ionus Manufacturing Group
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Posted - 2007.11.01 03:50:00 -
[7]
I make about what your ave 3 month old character makes.
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Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2007.11.01 04:13:00 -
[8]
i lose about 2mil a day...
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.01 05:24:00 -
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This month's earnings: -23 billion.
Guess that's about 77 million a day, but in reality, its sort of gone in chunks. :(
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.11.01 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax
This month's earnings: -23 billion.
Guess that's about 77 million a day, but in reality, its sort of gone in chunks. :(
Either someone is bad at math or bad at proof reading 
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Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2007.11.01 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Curzon Dax
This month's earnings: -23 billion.
Guess that's about 77 million a day, but in reality, its sort of gone in chunks. :(
Either someone is bad at math or bad at proof reading
It's quite obvious he missed a zero after the 77. I find it highly likely a stapler fell on his backspace key.
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.01 06:08:00 -
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Hey now, I never prided myself on math. =p
Yeah, guess that's -766m a day or so. Cripes. :(
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.11.01 06:31:00 -
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226.6M a day.
Time: 5 minutes a month.
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Ambo
2nd Outcasters
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Posted - 2007.11.01 07:05:00 -
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currently about 500 mil/month from investments... I'm not doing anything myself right now.
At the hieght of my trade IPO I was making around 13mil/hour continuously so that's around 312mil/day.
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Professor Bunsen
Optech Mineral Ventures
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Posted - 2007.11.01 08:33:00 -
[15]
8 inches
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J Galt
Red Frog Investments
Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2007.11.01 09:02:00 -
[16]
hmmm, that's quite frustrating. Looks like I need to change something...
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.01 11:31:00 -
[17]
70M a day - will grow steadily I swears it
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
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Draycar Hazaran
Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.11.01 14:08:00 -
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I make 100-200 mil a day depending on how much effort I put into my trade. As my capital is rising, I am attempting to figure out how to convert my business to a much larger one without a huge investment in time...for the moment, that's escaping me. |
Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.01 14:20:00 -
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nothing 
Next question, how much money do your corporations combined make per day!
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.01 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
Once you have more isk than you can honestly bother investing playing the market etc, if you are not making a billion in a week, you suck at trading.
Taikun
Or you have a RL and feel sorry for those who think more isk means more fun. 
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Draycar Hazaran
Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.11.01 14:24:00 -
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Ricdic, I don't mean to say that I am unwilling to invest time. I just don't want trading to be all that I spend my time on in eve. I'm a casual player, so therefore, my time is limited by nature.
This, however, is not the topic of the thread, I digress..
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Oleksiy1
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Posted - 2007.11.01 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: Oleksiy1 on 01/11/2007 14:42:00
with my trading alt on average i'm getting 10%-profit from my total daily sells.
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mOre mine
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Posted - 2007.11.01 14:46:00 -
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50 -> 150 mil a day. 10 min work total.
Rising though... 2 weeks ago it was still 40 mil a day ;)
When wholesale V is done I think/know I'll get to a minimal of 300 mil a day with this char, after that another char will be trained up.
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Tessai Lsha
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Posted - 2007.11.01 15:37:00 -
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for past two month i've been averaging 430 mil a day
before wtb scamming got nerfed i was making 2-5 bil a weekend on other kind of trade ;) but i didn't keep track of how much i was making per week or per month back then, probably more than with my current trading
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.11.01 15:41:00 -
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I'm lucky if I make 10M a day.
I'm lazy and indulgent though.
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Greedy McScrooge
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Posted - 2007.11.01 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tessai Lsha
for past two month i've been averaging 430 mil a day
before wtb scamming got nerfed i was making 2-5 bil a weekend on other kind of trade ;) but i didn't keep track of how much i was making per week or per month back then, probably more than with my current trading
You realize you admitted to scamming?
I will join the e-peen waving: I make 2 billion a week profit, probably 1 hour a day's work, and no questionable practices are involved - I make or buy stuff and sell stuff. This does not include my dividends or interests earned from investments.
If I divide the amount of hours my main is old, through my net worth, it means I earned around 90 mill per hour. |
Azenn
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Posted - 2007.11.01 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Bunsen
Edited by: Professor Bunsen on 01/11/2007 09:58:10
8 inches
Totally uninformative and futile thread tbh. Your not even asking what the capital they are utilising to get the return.
Hmm, yeah I guess that's true. I'm pulling in about 35 mil a day with about 250 mil total right now, so I was just wondering how much other people can make in an average day now whatever they're wealth is.
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Shaitis
Caldari
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.11.01 17:21:00 -
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5-150 mln's a day depends from RL weekends, hollidays, political situation and effort (15 min vs 2-3 hours).
Unfortunatly I'm overinvesting all the time so I have 100 mln in the pocket and 7 bln on the market ;(
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Toff Lemire
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Posted - 2007.11.01 17:22:00 -
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I make ~$400/hour in real-life at my dental practice. I can't e-peen wave though because I only have about 3 million ISK at the moment.
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Cherybol
Caldari
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.11.01 17:41:00 -
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If I actually work on it, I can make around 500mil aday. For about a couple hours work.
Though, I'm trying to optimize time spent maintaining the market orders/production/research slots.
And this is with two accounts. :(
I guess I suck at trading if I can't make a bil+ a week with one character. Drats.
Ohwell, I'm still quite happy with my money.
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Tessai Lsha
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Posted - 2007.11.01 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: Tessai Lsha on 01/11/2007 18:12:31
Originally by: Greedy McScrooge
You realize you admitted to scamming?
zomg, ohnoes and stuff like that
though i prefer to call it 100% profits trading or in some cases 200% and even 300% as happens with some special customers
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.11.01 18:18:00 -
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55 mil a day on my alt who I use to trade long term low maintenance items. That is averaged over nearly a year.
My main makes substantially more. Lately it takes less than 2 days per billion. Don't think I can get it to 1 bil per day unless I play more actively and I doubt that will happen. An average of one hour per day is plenty. I could always snatch up a few useful T2 BPO's I suppose, but I am a bit tired of the few I have as it is.
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.11.02 07:49:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Azenn
As the topic says, how much ISK do you usually make in a given day when considering trading especially.
I've been playing EVE for about 2 months now, mainly focusing on the trade aspect of it while building up my ship skills. Just curious what I should be aiming for to get up to speed with the best of you all. :D
Also, how much ISK do people usually make from running lvl 4 missions per hour?
This survey would be better if you asked people to also mention how many characters they use for their ISK making and how much time they spend at ISK making activities per day. Someone who has uses 3+ characters playing EVE for many hours every day will obviously be making more ISK than someone who has 1 char and logs on only every second day, but he won't be making more ISK per resources that he is using.
On level 4 missions I read peeps quoting something like 15-20 mil per hour in farmable missions - these are missions with bounties which is not every mission that you get. With two accounts you can probably approach 30 mil per hour on missions. If you salvage and loot the ISK per hour goes down. With trading you can make much much more ISK but it is not as simple as mission running and there are many ways in which you can lose your money instead of make more money. Mission running is very simple, guaranteed way to make money where you aren't going to lose anything if you fit your ship correctly.
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Leowen
Industrial Giants
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Posted - 2007.11.28 00:43:00 -
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I guess I was running at about 2b/day when I was really trying hard. Then I got a life and a girlfriend
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ProudGallenteCitizen
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Posted - 2007.11.28 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Leowen
I guess I was running at about 2b/day when I was really trying hard. Then I got a life and a girlfriend
It isn't hard to have all three.
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Calgorac
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.11.28 00:56:00 -
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passive IE, no more than 30min per day changing market orders 29m/day
t2 sensor booster bpo.. passive no more than droping off parts and collecting product once a month... 27m
active.. mining with 3x hulks and an itty 5 for hauling 40-50m per hour
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Confuzer
PBA Corporation
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.11.28 12:52:00 -
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Calgorac: aah, that's why you bought some of my stuff for such a high price. Funny to see the people behind the good sales (I love the wallet logs ^^)
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Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.28 13:57:00 -
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ATM, I'm only logging in for 15-30 minutes per day but I'll usually earn 10-20 million from NPC trades and more or less the same from player trading, depending on what my buy order dabbling has yielded.
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Aladdin Insane
1 Man Trading
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Posted - 2007.11.28 14:15:00 -
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well...
Started with 250mill 11 days ago, just ran through my balence sheet and it looks to be 1.1bill ish 
woohoo!
can anyone tell me what the maths are for working out the compound interest per day on that? trying to remember GCSE maths 
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Klavayne
Free Mercenaries Union
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.11.28 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Aladdin Insane
can anyone tell me what the maths are for working out the compound interest per day on that? trying to remember GCSE maths
By my reckoning, 14.4% per day. 
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.28 16:03:00 -
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Posting in an epeen thread
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Aladdin Insane
1 Man Trading
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Posted - 2007.11.28 17:43:00 -
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^^ lost his peen 
Originally by: Klavayne
By my reckoning, 14.4% per day.
ty Klav
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2007.11.28 17:52:00 -
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on my trade i make about 2-20 mil aday depends on much i keep on top of it
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Rainoer
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Posted - 2007.11.28 18:08:00 -
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If the system is not crowded I can make 20-25 million per hour rat hunting in 0.0 space. I seams that an average player makes about that mining or mission runing. I guess if I did this for 8 hours I could concievably make 200 million assuming no hostiles appeared to interrupt things. If I was to use a second ship as a hauler scout maybe 250. That is kind of a long boring day
Without giving away secrets or going into great detail, in general how is it people can make the kind of money they are talking about and only be logged on for a short period of time.
I guess I can understand if they have some unique advantage like access to T2 BP's or are running som kind of mining macro but I considering the kind of money these people are talking about there must be some aspect of the game I am totally ignorant of.
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La'yla
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Posted - 2007.11.28 22:05:00 -
[45]
Well, you are in the trading forum...
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Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.11.28 22:25:00 -
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Market orders work when you're not logged in.
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Khatred
Fluffy Mungoose
Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2007.11.28 23:12:00 -
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I make 70,000 isk every 10 hours. And 14 tritanium too. I just have to make sure I don't forget to delete the new chars every 10 hours.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2007.11.28 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Khatred
I make 70,000 isk every 10 hours. And 14 tritanium too. I just have to make sure I don't forget to delete the new chars every 10 hours.
lol..LOL...ROFL
i have paitently waiting for Khatred to stumble on this thread.
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Daeva Vios
PhaseShifter Technologies
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Posted - 2007.11.29 01:40:00 -
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Erm...I have more money now than I did yesterday. I had less money the day before yesterday than I did the day before that. Before that I had more money or less money depending on various factors.
At one point I had only a couple thousand, then I got 40m and turned it into 80m and paid everything back. I have more than 40m now...that's really all the bookkeeping I've been willing to do.
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Taince Milano
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Posted - 2007.11.29 11:43:00 -
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it takes me 20minutes a day for a quick run-through, 30 minutes to do all my stuff. includes logging in, and that cruft.
20 - 30 mil per day. invested capital for that: 100mil
i dont haul, i never undock. if i need stuff moved, contracts.
i dont know how the rest of the folk here pull some of the numbers they claim for even less logged in time than i have, but possibly they're scanning contracts and such for more 'up-market' items. at any rate, im happy with the time to investment to profit ratio's :D
outside of trading, i transfer isk to my main who loses it...
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Maalan
Caldari
Lutin Group
Acheron Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.29 14:41:00 -
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Well in the last five days I've sold 1B worth of goods. That would be 200M averaged per day and 10-20% profit rate means I made 20-40M.
Reasonable for logging in an hour a day on a comp that moves slow as hell and likes to reset once or twice an hour...
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Dead6re
Amarr
The Knighthawks
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.29 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Dead6re on 29/11/2007 22:11:52
I make roughly 23.61% on everything I trade because some items do not sell so well. Statsically speaking, I could sell all my assets for 32.88% profit :)
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Gin Sales
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Posted - 2007.12.05 00:56:00 -
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I started the Trial by Fire project a few weeks ago, and granted I've slacked off a little bit, due to RL issues and the like, but I'm still barely able to make a profit every day.
Basically I'm slowing down, as I used to trade small price items that had a quick turnover, but unless you get into .01 isk wars, and having massive buy orders out, it really doesn't bring in that much revenue. I'm starting to get into higher priced items that move slower, but I'm still barely at a crawl as far as profit.
5 mil turned into 13 mil after 3 weeks, and i'm pretty much still at the 13 mil mark. Again, I feel as if I'm missing out on a crucial step that should be obvious... I feel like the underpants gnomes...
Step 1: Steal Underpants
Step 2: *awkward silence*
Step 3: Profit!
I guess I'm still stuck at step 2... haha
I make about 10 mil an hour ratting in 0.0 on another character on average, which isn't horrible, but I'm still no where near where I need to be at to consider myself financially stable.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.12.05 01:40:00 -
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enough to toss isk at newbies and laugh when i buy them a fully fit ship
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Galgorth
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Posted - 2007.12.06 00:40:00 -
[55]
400-500 mil a day when I put in an hour or two of work
If I spend the entire day trading... substantially more. Once I took some adderall to write a paper and the effects didn't wear off after the paper was written, so I started trading. I doubled my money that day 
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Alan Bell
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:41:00 -
[56]
~50-60 mill a day from R&D + some IPO's
dont have to do a thing to make the money.. except datacore hauling ofc.
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Kua Toil
Trading Alt-ercations
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
55 mil a day on my alt who I use to trade long term low maintenance items. That is averaged over nearly a year.
My main makes substantially more. Lately it takes less than 2 days per billion. Don't think I can get it to 1 bil per day unless I play more actively and I doubt that will happen. An average of one hour per day is plenty. I could always snatch up a few useful T2 BPO's I suppose, but I am a bit tired of the few I have as it is.
Ah, there's obviously been some serious inflation since I took my hands away from the keyboard.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kua Toil
Originally by: Shadarle
55 mil a day on my alt who I use to trade long term low maintenance items. That is averaged over nearly a year.
My main makes substantially more. Lately it takes less than 2 days per billion. Don't think I can get it to 1 bil per day unless I play more actively and I doubt that will happen. An average of one hour per day is plenty. I could always snatch up a few useful T2 BPO's I suppose, but I am a bit tired of the few I have as it is.
Ah, there's obviously been some serious inflation since I took my hands away from the keyboard.
There has actually been deflation it seems.
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Todo Akamura
Caldari
Royal Enterprise
Infinite Innovation
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Posted - 2007.12.07 21:01:00 -
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I have no idea how much i make!, I started with 15mil, now i have 1,1 bil in 25 buy orders, 100 sell orders and my assets r growing every day (i don't have enough free orders to sell everything i buy atm, but i can't give up my buy orders).
I know some1 who makes 20bil/10 hours when he wants and this is pure profit!!! But he needs it just twice a month avergae, u're free to calculate :). Btw, he doesn't want to share the secret, i know he hauls something from a place to another, i know it's not from research and i know this is trading! I guess he invests not more than 200bil for this profit(he never moves a finger for less than 10%). I don't know how much does he make besides that, but i know he does make something besides that :). He never posts on forums, only me and 2 other ppl knows about his iskies, he never scammed, he plays from the beggining and no, i won't tell u his name .
P.S. I know my english sux. I'm sure of the data provided. It's not a lie(i don't have any reason to lie). I guess he's the most rich player of eve atm and he doesn't give a f**k about it  .
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2007.12.07 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Todo Akamura
(i don't have enough free orders to sell everything i buy atm, but i can't give up my buy orders).
Dont get stuck without any liquidity :)
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Todo Akamura
Caldari
Royal Enterprise
Infinite Innovation
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Posted - 2007.12.08 07:24:00 -
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Well, usually, the profits i make on the items i do sell is enough to keep buying :), but i rarely have iskies to spend. I could afford now a 90 day GTC just because i had a lot of arbalest cruise missile launchers in my hangar, bought them at a nice price, now they r selling at twice the price i bought them because of the torp nerf .
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Rasz Cadre
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Posted - 2007.12.08 11:36:00 -
[62]
I make about -10 to 20 mil a day I know im not really good at this game :(
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sinqlaison
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Posted - 2007.12.08 21:03:00 -
[63]
2 bln
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Danari
Amarr
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 09:26:00 -
[64]
hmm 85mil a day on average, level of effort is a half hour a day plus 2-3 hours on Saturday morning.
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Gordon Reiss
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Posted - 2007.12.10 05:40:00 -
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I am my Main.
I've been playing this game for barely over 10 months now and my net worth is just under 25 billion. I don't know how good that is comapred to some of you PROs, but long ago I left this Market Thread becasue i think 99.99% of the information here is lame (there is one thread I give to all market candidates though). I also think that anyone who talks about 'market pvp' is lame...these are guns you're selling...fire one! If you consider yourself a 'market PvPer' and can explain in the 10s of Billions why I should care...feel free..likely those people are not reading these stupid threads anyway. AND, the only reason I'm making this post is that I hate Trinity sooooooo much (and other RL issues) I may be leaving the game, so I'm poking around some old watering holes.
Signed...a person who hates this game right now.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.12.10 06:00:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Gordon Reiss
Edited by: Gordon Reiss on 10/12/2007 05:51:53
I am my Main.
I've been playing this game for barely over 10 months now and my net worth is just under 25 billion. I don't know how good that is compared to some of you PROs (and I certainly can't give a **** less what my daily average is as sometimes I go a month not doing ****), but long ago I left this Market Thread because i think 99.99% of the information here is lame...most mind you. I also think that anyone who talks about 'market pvp' is lame (unless thatĆs what makes you HAPPY, then continue to smile brother)...for the rest of you PvPers, these are weapons you're selling...ffs fire one! But, if you consider yourself a 'market PvPer' and can explain in the 10s of Billions why I should care...feel free. Likely those people are not reading these stupid threads anyway. AND, the only reason I'm making this post is that I hate Trinity sooooooo much (and other RL issues) I may be leaving the game, so I'm poking around some old watering holes.
Signed...a passionate Eve citizen who is drunk, sad, concerned and just plain unhappy with this game right now.
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Hanno Mir
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Posted - 2007.12.10 07:28:00 -
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I usually lose about 5-10 Million ISK/day, now my friend wont loan me money anymore. 
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.10 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gordon Reiss
I also think that anyone who talks about 'market pvp' is lame (unless thatĆs what makes you HAPPY, then continue to smile brother)...for the rest of you PvPers, these are weapons you're selling...ffs fire one!
Sir, as i poined out in another thread, why do you assume we never pvp?
Im a carebear. But im a pirate too. I shoot stuff day in and day out.
I also happen to know that alot of the people in here, who seem to be carebears, ACTUALLY have pvp mains.
Your argument is void and null, and i will unload such types of sweet ammo into your if i see you in space, for being arrogant.
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McRuder
Gallente
Magnets and Duct Tape
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Posted - 2007.12.10 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Gordon Reiss
I am my Main.
I've been playing this game for barely over 10 months now and my net worth is just under 25 billion. I don't know how good that is compared to some of you PROs (and I certainly can't give a **** less what my daily average is as sometimes I go a month not doing ****), but long ago I left this Market Thread because i think 99.99% of the information here is lame...most mind you. I also think that anyone who talks about 'market pvp' is lame (unless thatĆs what makes you HAPPY, then continue to smile brother)...for the rest of you PvPers, these are weapons you're selling...ffs fire one! But, if you consider yourself a 'market PvPer' and can explain in the 10s of Billions why I should care...feel free. Likely those people are not reading these stupid threads anyway. AND, the only reason I'm making this post is that I hate Trinity sooooooo much (and other RL issues) I may be leaving the game, so I'm poking around some old watering holes.
Signed...a passionate Eve citizen who is drunk, sad, concerned and just plain unhappy with this game right now.
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Give me time...I doubt I'll leave...but if I do I will DELETE all my stuff too so you can't have it. I'll also delete this post if I stay so FO...
I think you have never figured out where the real power in this game is. Besides that I think you totally misjudge the readership of this forum - so I will list some of the alliances frequenting here: BoB, Goonswarm, Pandemic, Veto, KIA, FIX, Pure, Insurgency, and many others too many to name. Many of the top PvP'ers in this game frequent this MD forum, and many are active investors, and some control trade of entire regions. On any given day the people that read this MD forum control at least half the isk in this game.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.10 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: McRuder
Originally by: Gordon Reiss
I am my Main.
I've been playing this game for barely over 10 months now and my net worth is just under 25 billion. I don't know how good that is compared to some of you PROs (and I certainly can't give a **** less what my daily average is as sometimes I go a month not doing ****), but long ago I left this Market Thread because i think 99.99% of the information here is lame...most mind you. I also think that anyone who talks about 'market pvp' is lame (unless thatĆs what makes you HAPPY, then continue to smile brother)...for the rest of you PvPers, these are weapons you're selling...ffs fire one! But, if you consider yourself a 'market PvPer' and can explain in the 10s of Billions why I should care...feel free. Likely those people are not reading these stupid threads anyway. AND, the only reason I'm making this post is that I hate Trinity sooooooo much (and other RL issues) I may be leaving the game, so I'm poking around some old watering holes.
Signed...a passionate Eve citizen who is drunk, sad, concerned and just plain unhappy with this game right now.
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Give me time...I doubt I'll leave...but if I do I will DELETE all my stuff too so you can't have it. I'll also delete this post if I stay so FO...
I think you have never figured out where the real power in this game is. Besides that I think you totally misjudge the readership of this forum - so I will list some of the alliances frequenting here: BoB, Goonswarm, Pandemic, Veto, KIA, FIX, Pure, Insurgency, and many others too many to name. Many of the top PvP'ers in this game frequent this MD forum, and many are active investors, and some control trade of entire regions. On any given day the people that read this MD forum control at least half the isk in this game.
BTW this is the last place to come looking for sympathy.
And i hear that Shardale is the current incarnation of god. But as you say, theres no sympathy to get from him. I think its because someone ****ed on his orders this morning when he woke up.
You listed a good part of the current people who surf the forums. Just look at the people behind Ebank, we have people from Veto(Me), KIA, Insurgency, DnL, NPC Corp And Zzz. And im sure theres lots other which i forgot to say.
But we also in the MD forums have pirates from TAS(The black rabbits), which is worthwhile mentioning.
But the market discussion forum is the most diverse forum you will see. We have people with different political backgrounds, who can cooperate beyond silly politics as we see it in the CAOD. And its the most serious forum. Its the one i enjoy posting on the most.
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Ryuga VonRhaiden
Caldari
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
Deus Ex.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 14:40:00 -
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there's really people making bilions a day? O.o how do you do that? O.o
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Confuzer
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.12.10 16:20:00 -
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Well billions is not said... the highest I saw was 800mil a day.
How you do that? With isk my friend, alot of it. Isk makes Isk.
(if the ratio of total isk/isk a day would be a straight rising line, the isk/day limit is where that line goes down. It is upto a good trader to keep that line at least horizontal.)
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Ruddger
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.10 16:42:00 -
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I play poker.
At my height I was drawing a bil or more per day.
Now I am down to my last 100 mil.
Time to gamble some more.
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GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:01:00 -
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Guys I make 381 billion a month for 11 seconds of work a year. True story.
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Na'hkin Oaks
Pro-Trade Industries Inc
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:13:00 -
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What ever i kill and the ocasinal mission, about 5-6 mill aday.
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Masu'di
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.12.10 23:25:00 -
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sometimes i will go weeks without earning any ISK, but when i do, it can be from 100M to 1BN or so, in just a couple of hours. but those two hours of work, will only occur because of some work done, perhaps weeks or months ago, so really not possible to give a daily figure.
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Taince Milano
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Posted - 2007.12.11 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ryuga VonRhaiden
there's really people making bilions a day? O.o how do you do that? O.o
I am skeptical of most claims. People usually underestimate the amount of work they actually put in (hours spent hauling and such), and overestimate profit margins - in any case whats often mentioned is a vastly above average intake from some lucky day they had way back when.
There are some posters here who, given what I know of their operations, are likely pulling that kind of ISK.
This is the internet, and lots of folk have epeens to hold up.
Still, most folk can make a billion per day with sufficient capital and willingness to spend a lot of time hauling. So let me clarify my above skepticism to be directed at more the correlation of effort to ISK than ISK income itself...
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Posted - 2007.12.11 00:44:00 -
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ill tell you the truth i make about 5 million a day for 23 hours daily work
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.12.11 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Taince Milano
Originally by: Ryuga VonRhaiden
there's really people making bilions a day? O.o how do you do that? O.o
I am skeptical of most claims. People usually underestimate the amount of work they actually put in (hours spent hauling and such), and overestimate profit margins - in any case whats often mentioned is a vastly above average intake from some lucky day they had way back when.
There are some posters here who, given what I know of their operations, are likely pulling that kind of ISK.
This is the internet, and lots of folk have epeens to hold up.
Still, most folk can make a billion per day with sufficient capital and willingness to spend a lot of time hauling. So let me clarify my above skepticism to be directed at more the correlation of effort to ISK than ISK income itself...
Indeed, many people will say they make a billion per day... but yet they dont have 100+ billion even tho they have played for years. So obviously they do not.
I consider the money I make per day to include money I spend on things. I have recorded the money I have in my wallet, escrow, and non-liquid assets twice a day for 500+ days now. I take the total I have now, minus the total I had then, divide by days and I get the money per day I made on average. I then do the same for the past month to see how I'm doing recently.
I have not ever given the number out and I don't know if I ever will. But I am quite happy with it.
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Lucius Flaccus
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Posted - 2007.12.11 02:28:00 -
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Edited by: Lucius Flaccus on 11/12/2007 02:28:23
Originally by: Shadarle
Indeed, many people will say they make a billion per day... but yet they dont have 100+ billion even tho they have played for years. So obviously they do not.
I consider the money I make per day to include money I spend on things. I have recorded the money I have in my wallet, escrow, and non-liquid assets twice a day for 500+ days now. I take the total I have now, minus the total I had then, divide by days and I get the money per day I made on average. I then do the same for the past month to see how I'm doing recently.
I have not ever given the number out and I don't know if I ever will. But I am quite happy with it.
Well, you sir, would be one of the few I do believe. Your post further confirms it, and until the average trader stops guesstimating, they won't actually know the real state of their income.
I too have kept daily tallies in excel of my total value on alts. That combined with my actual timing of daily updates (not done regularly by any means) gives me a very good feel for increased value per day. Averaged over the last few weeks, I can get a average increase in value for each day.
Unfortunately I havent spent time developing the tools to automate the process, which is embarassing as I am a programmer by trade and am currently doing webdev involving PhP doing graphed reports. So what few stats I keep are done by hand. Sigh. I should just look at EMMA given it sounds like it already does the sort of things I was going to write tools to track.
EDIT: woops! wrong alt. Oh well. Lets pretend this was Taince posting...
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Posted - 2007.12.11 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lucius Flaccus
Unfortunately I havent spent time developing the tools to automate the process, which is embarassing as I am a programmer by trade and am currently doing webdev involving PhP doing graphed reports. So what few stats I keep are done by hand. Sigh. I should just look at EMMA given it sounds like it already does the sort of things I was going to write tools to track.
I do it by hand as well and was also thinking of trying out EMMA. Even if I got it working I'd still use my excel version which I do by hand as it has 500+ days recorded already.
I am thinking of posting the results for my alt in detail. Just to give people an example of what some people do. I do very basic trading on my alt, trying out what I expect to be low income but low maintenance trading. It has indeed been very low income, compared to the items and way I trade on my main.
The best part is the graphs excel keeps up to date for me. I just love graphs
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Posted - 2007.12.11 04:43:00 -
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Your a real sick basta*d shadarle you love graphs heh my friend!!
I love mindflood, drop and exotic dancers anyone got any for sale
Tommy
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.11 06:26:00 -
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Its not THAT hard to make 1bill/da, if the conditions are right.
Remember the rorqual patch? Mhhmmm. Stupidity long live. Increased my(CAP4U) wallet by 1+ bill inside 2 hours after DT 
But if you have 28 battleship blueprints, its not impossible to make 1bill/day.
But i doubt that anybody can make 1bill/day for an extented period.
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Gallente
BGG
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.11 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Rodrom Caldera on 11/12/2007 12:04:06
What do I make a day:
monthly based:
1.5bil from dividents
421 mil from t2 production
and 300 mil ca in reselling
on a monthly base that wil be:
73.3 mil a day of wich 66 mil I do not need to be online.
Also i build capital ships, But i have no real number on the profits it proceeds. as its all beeing reinvested.
my total Capital estimated should be around 41 bil. ofcoarce not in liquid cash. I try to keep my wallet above 1 bil
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.12.11 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Its not THAT hard to make 1bill/da, if the conditions are right.
Remember the rorqual patch? Mhhmmm. Stupidity long live. Increased my(CAP4U) wallet by 1+ bill inside 2 hours after DT
But if you have 28 battleship blueprints, its not impossible to make 1bill/day.
But i doubt that anybody can make 1bill/day for an extented period.
Being able to earn 1 billion in a day every time there is a major patch doesn't mean much. The question of this thread is how much you earn on an average day, at least to me it is. 1 billion one day and 50 mil a day for the next 89 days is not too impressive. 100 million every day for 90 days is far more impressive.
Of course it is much more likely to make 200 mil one day, 50 mil the next, 150 the next, 75 the next, lose 50 the next, make 500 the next, etc. At least from personal experience. Only the dips and gains are FAR larger. As much as 3-4 billion in each direction some days. The only way to truly know an average is to keep track of your total isk every day for a long period of time.
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Riethe
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Posted - 2007.12.11 21:20:00 -
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I made just shy of 2.5 billion ISK yesterday telling people to send me money and I'd send them 10x back in jita. I'm still getting EVE mails asking me if their money is on the way.
Most other days I'm losing money because I build expensive ships and I crash them into bullets.
I don't really like to spend a whole lot of time grinding for money so most the time it's borrowing from gullible people and it's mostly burst income.
During the RHCRP scam for example, I made 4 billion in a span of about 7 days, then a month later I made roughly 39 billion in the span of about 4 days. This isn't 100% accurate but it's really close.
So depending on how you look at it, it was either 43 billion over a month and a half-ish, or 43 billion transferred in under 2 weeks.
Oh, and I just made a killing off of raptors, bought up a gazillion of them pre-patch and after patch they practically tripled in price. I still have some stock left because I personally like to fly them, but that netted close to 5 billion.
I'd say in anyone's situation it's rather difficult to assess how much you make "per day."
Averaging out your income in that format doesn't really make a lot of sense, it just simply doesn't work like that for most of these things.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
Averaging out your income in that format doesn't really make a lot of sense, it just simply doesn't work like that for most of these things.
As a scammer, no it wouldn't work out as well. But it would still tell you how much you've made averaged across your entire play time. Sure it comes in bursts but it still shows how good you are compared to others in the long haul. But making money doesn't mean much if you lose it all. I consider money made to be money that I still have. Anything I spend is money lost, unless it is a fixed asset that has value and that I have not lost.
As to the raptors, most places they have gone up 50-100%. Perhaps you bought them cheaper somewhere, but the market value hasn't tripled really.
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Riethe
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Posted - 2007.12.11 22:14:00 -
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Not that it really matters, but, I got most of mine at 4.0-4.5mil and when I sold off the majority of them the lowest i was getting was 11 mil.
So it's not exactly triple but, y'know, rounded.
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Taince Milano
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Posted - 2007.12.11 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
I'd say in anyone's situation it's rather difficult to assess how much you make "per day."
Averaging out your income in that format doesn't really make a lot of sense, it just simply doesn't work like that for most of these things.
You are correct in that it doesnt really work for irregular scamming to pay for high expenses of PvP. However, this is the trade forum and the question is therefore directed at people who do trading.
For anyone who trades regularly, its useful to know effort(time)/profit(isk) ratios. Since as Shadarle pointed out, there can be a fair bit of variance over small timeframes, it you need to average it over a longer period to find any useful information.
Basically I what I want to know is: I put in <x> minutes per day doing my 'ISK making thing', and I'd like to know how much that increases my wealth*. Obviously that question doesnt make sense for any given day because I cant predict the daily fluctuations, but I can work off an average for the last few weeks.
* i dont do economics of any sort, and am using the term wealth to mean ISK in wallet + ISK on markets + approximate (immediate) resale value of everything owned by the character.
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Riethe
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Posted - 2007.12.12 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Taince Milano
...complete ignorance...
Yeah, no, hur dur. It wasn't like I mentioned trading raptors in my post. Good job though, with the reading comprehension. Dolt. I guess you missed it because you were too busy trying to tell me I can't post here.
Even if you ignore all my other activities, people that make large purchases on items that are going to have price shifts or any other market predictions, (which by the way, is in fact trading, and you can do it very frequently) it's still rather difficult to assess how much of that was really "daily."
Yes, anyone can average how much money they made over a period of time, but as Shadarle is saying, It's an up and down thing. Doesn't really show much at all, just kind of a way for people to come here and flaunt really big numbers.
If you want a thread with actual decent content that is relatively similar to this topic, pop on over here.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
Yeah, no, hur dur. It wasn't like I mentioned trading raptors in my post. Good job though, with the reading comprehension. Dolt. I guess you missed it because you were too busy trying to tell me I can't post here.
I didn't say you can't post here. I said, basically, that your post was not related to the question being asked. The OP did specifically mention 'trading' in his question, as well as posting on the trading forum. He also implied the question pertains to those for whom it is a regular activity, not irregular since average isk per day makes little sense if its done 'when I need cash'.
Additionally its already covered that making money off patch-day or similar one-off changes (as per your raptors) doesn't mean much when it comes to ongoing money-making. Once again, considering what the question was.
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Riethe
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:33:00 -
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Apparently you have trouble reading entire posts, and gear your response to a very specific part, ignoring the rest.
I have no reason to continue to discuss the relativity of my post with you anymore. Obviously it's too difficult for you to comprehend.
I will give you one hint though: raptors are just an example. It could be a plethora of items, and patch day or not, the same methods can be employed.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe
Yes, anyone can average how much money they made over a period of time, but as Shadarle is saying, It's an up and down thing. Doesn't really show much at all, just kind of a way for people to come here and flaunt really big numbers.
What I was saying is that you HAVE to average it to get a decent estimation of how you are doing. Assuming you care how much you make that is. If you don't then obviously don't bother, but if you're posting in a thread about how much money you make you should at least be accurate. My actual daily profit changes drastically, but averaging it out does give me a real number that doesn't fluctuate much.
My goal is to increase my 500+ day average daily profit every day. This means I have to make more every day than the day before on average. So far I've managed to do this at differing velocities over time.
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Confuzer
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.12.12 09:33:00 -
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Shadarle: What I don't understand is the dips you mention. I have no dips, I just grow. I will never sell an items below the price I bought it for. When there is a dip in pricing, I just take it somewhere where it's rare or not sold yet (and you can make your own prices for the peeps who won't check other regions).
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Posted - 2007.12.12 12:00:00 -
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OK before I get flamed, though I'm sure I will anyway... Yes, this is an alt. No it dowsn't mean I'm making it up, I'm just trying to add another perspective to this conversation without giving personal detail away that I'd rather keep to myself.
Tracking profit per day can be infinitely more or less difficult depending on a) how you make money, the more diverse your businesses the harder it gets, and b) how many assets you have.
I have at this point in time: 50b cash, about 80b in T2 components and materials - topped up of course for Trinity, and several high value assets worth about 350b in total. Now, if I try to measure my net worth periodically, the value of those assets are VERY subjective and thus my calculations are kind of meaningless. But they are an investment made that are constantly appreciating/depreciating and thus a critical part of my income calculations. I guess it's similar for some other folks on here who have calculated best burst income, best week or best month, as it's very hard to calculate fluctuations in net asset worth.
That said and to take things to an extreme, I've been playing this game for over 3 year but only actively for a total of about 2 years (I get bored sometimes, WoW anyone? ). So, say 480b net worth / 730 days equals 658m ISK every day since I first got into a Noob Boat. Not bad I guess... Anyone else want to share this calculation?
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Confuzer
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.12.12 14:29:00 -
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Well as income grows exponential, that number is not odd in 2 years. I do this trade game for 4 months now, and I made more the last month then 2 months before that total.
That amount is impressive though. I know there are some guys who have that, but they usually don't do e-peen ;) so don't know how many are out there with such wealth.
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Gallente
D00M.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tessai Lsha
Edited by: Tessai Lsha on 01/11/2007 18:12:31
Originally by: Greedy McScrooge
You realize you admitted to scamming?
zomg, ohnoes and stuff like that
though i prefer to call it 100% profits trading or in some cases 200% and even 300% as happens with some special customers
I sometime wonder if WTB scam couldn't be more euphermistically referred to as "collecting on the unobservent/stupid/stapler tax"
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
There's a Community petition category??
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Confuzer
Shadarle: What I don't understand is the dips you mention. I have no dips, I just grow. I will never sell an items below the price I bought it for. When there is a dip in pricing, I just take it somewhere where it's rare or not sold yet (and you can make your own prices for the peeps who won't check other regions).
I suppose I have dips because I do not calculate the value of items I am selling, I only count my balance + escrow. It would take me forever to calculate the value of items I'm selling, even using the API tools available it would be a bit of work and not completely accurate anyhow. To me when I buy an item it becomes worthless until it is sold. Thus there are times I have more items I'm selling and my net worth dips a bit.
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Gwelaf
Gallente
Rogue Arrow Galactic Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.13 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Isalue
OK before I get flamed, though I'm sure I will anyway... Yes, this is an alt. No it dowsn't mean I'm making it up, I'm just trying to add another perspective to this conversation without giving personal detail away that I'd rather keep to myself.
Tracking profit per day can be infinitely more or less difficult depending on a) how you make money, the more diverse your businesses the harder it gets, and b) how many assets you have.
I have at this point in time: 50b cash, about 80b in T2 components and materials - topped up of course for Trinity, and several high value assets worth about 350b in total. Now, if I try to measure my net worth periodically, the value of those assets are VERY subjective and thus my calculations are kind of meaningless. But they are an investment made that are constantly appreciating/depreciating and thus a critical part of my income calculations. I guess it's similar for some other folks on here who have calculated best burst income, best week or best month, as it's very hard to calculate fluctuations in net asset worth.
That said and to take things to an extreme, I've been playing this game for over 3 year but only actively for a total of about 2 years (I get bored sometimes, WoW anyone? ). So, say 480b net worth / 730 days equals 658m ISK every day since I first got into a Noob Boat. Not bad I guess... Anyone else want to share this calculation?
That's Comedy Gold right there thanks for the laugh
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Confuzer
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.12.13 09:29:00 -
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Quote:
I suppose I have dips because I do not calculate the value of items I am selling, I only count my balance + escrow. It would take me forever to calculate the value of items I'm selling, even using the API tools available it would be a bit of work and not completely accurate anyhow. To me when I buy an item it becomes worthless until it is sold. Thus there are times I have more items I'm selling and my net worth dips a bit.
I made my own tool to sum sell prices for stock items so it's a bit easier ;) And as I never go down with prices the number is accurate.
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Amarr
Power Corrupts Tech
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.13 10:47:00 -
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About 120mil per day atm, that is without signing in for over 3mths now. That should go up to about 170mil per day by time I sign on in 4mths. Once I sign on I lose about 40mil isk per day.
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Posted - 2007.12.13 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Gwelaf
Originally by: Isalue
OK before I get flamed, though I'm sure I will anyway... Yes, this is an alt. No it dowsn't mean I'm making it up, I'm just trying to add another perspective to this conversation without giving personal detail away that I'd rather keep to myself.
Tracking profit per day can be infinitely more or less difficult depending on a) how you make money, the more diverse your businesses the harder it gets, and b) how many assets you have.
I have at this point in time: 50b cash, about 80b in T2 components and materials - topped up of course for Trinity, and several high value assets worth about 350b in total. Now, if I try to measure my net worth periodically, the value of those assets are VERY subjective and thus my calculations are kind of meaningless. But they are an investment made that are constantly appreciating/depreciating and thus a critical part of my income calculations. I guess it's similar for some other folks on here who have calculated best burst income, best week or best month, as it's very hard to calculate fluctuations in net asset worth.
That said and to take things to an extreme, I've been playing this game for over 3 year but only actively for a total of about 2 years (I get bored sometimes, WoW anyone? ). So, say 480b net worth / 730 days equals 658m ISK every day since I first got into a Noob Boat. Not bad I guess... Anyone else want to share this calculation?
That's Comedy Gold right there thanks for the laugh
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Edited by: tornpain on 13/12/2007 15:10:48
Originally by: Riethe
I made just shy of 2.5 billion ISK yesterday telling people to send me money and I'd send them 10x back in jita. I'm still getting EVE mails asking me if their money is on the way.
I was curious about the time ROI on that particular shenanigan, thanks for posting.
Originally by: Riethe
Oh, and I just made a killing off of raptors, bought up a gazillion of them pre-patch and after patch they practically tripled in price. I still have some stock left because I personally like to fly them, but that netted close to 5 billion.
So is that why there were only 94 Raptors for me to buy up in Jita? My average profit per unit was only in the 1.5mil range, so I call shenanigans... although, i did hit 100% margins moving them 8 jumps. Even if there were 12 regions with a similar volume of underpriced raptors to buy up you'd only make ~3bil if you were able to double my profit margins, so I guess you had to drop 'em off in every hub? not my cup of tea, but grats if it was as described.
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Ju Ming
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.13 21:13:00 -
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Getting about 60-80M a day in ISK
if I have time though this jumps up to about 300M.
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Chronos VIII
Amarr
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.14 09:35:00 -
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Are you guys serious?
How do you make like 1b/day
It would be helpful for everyone if you say whether you are a trader, doing production or invention, etc.
Chronos
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Confuzer
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.12.14 10:18:00 -
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Edited by: Confuzer on 14/12/2007 10:18:52
Edited by: Confuzer on 14/12/2007 10:18:24
The 1 bil is earned with mining.
DOH offcourse will anyone NOT tell how he actually does it, and NO they don't want to help other people getting the same idea. It's our realm, we created it with *kuch* hard work and thinking. Now leave us alone in our wealth 
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
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Posted - 2007.12.14 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Chronos VIII
Are you guys serious?
How do you make like 1b/day
It would be helpful for everyone if you say whether you are a trader, doing production or invention, etc.
Chronos
If i told you, id have to kill you 
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Daerkannon Shimmerscale
Gallente
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.14 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
If i told you, id have to kill you
Oh! Oh! Kill me! Kill me!
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Posted - 2007.12.15 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: Heten Oviri on 15/12/2007 00:30:06
Originally by: Chronos VIII
Are you guys serious?
How do you make like 1b/day
It would be helpful for everyone if you say whether you are a trader, doing production or invention, etc.
Chronos
That would require you to actually play a lot of hours. I know for a fact that you can make 500 mil a day playing rather casually 7-10 hours each week (that's time devoted solely to making ISK when you come online, not chatting with corpmates or pvping or idly sitting and staring at the screen). Greater profits come from greater investments in your own time and character slots. If i had any time or inclination to sit home and play 30+ hours a day on several characters you betcha i could go well over 1 bil a day with a combination of scamming and trading plus some low but rather effortless incomes sources like R&D and investments.
So when people say that they make so many hundreds of millions a day you gotta remember that they might also own 3 accounts and use a lot of characters to make their ISK and play much more than an average EVE player. It is also tricky estimating the income/hour figure. So you figure you're logged in 3 hours every day, but not only can this estimate be biased but how would you count things like time spent reading the forums and patch notes? Time that you spend in rl thinking about EVE but not playing it, figuring things out? It is not all that clear-cut but on average the ISK/hour or /day figures tend to be overestimated.
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Posted - 2007.12.15 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Heten Oviri
..SNIP.. It is also tricky estimating the income/hour figure. So you figure you're logged in 3 hours every day, but not only can this estimate be biased but how would you count things like time spent reading the forums and patch notes? Time that you spend in rl thinking about EVE but not playing it, figuring things out? It is not all that clear-cut but on average the ISK/hour or /day figures tend to be overestimated.
this is true. however, time spent pouring over patch notes and similarly irregular events probably becomes negligible compared to time spent updating orders. it all does contribute though. however its worth getting some basic measurements - not speed trials - but actually just noting the time then doing all your market ****z and figuring the time difference.
often people just guesstimate "its about 5 minutes each day" but that may be 5 minutes imaginary time, 25 minutes real time.
if your goal is playing the markets, then sure, its not as important how much time you spend since this IS EVE for you. however if your goal is to make isk to support the playing you prefer to do, then trying to average time spent and daily income is worth while as you'd want to compare it with other non-market isk-making activities.
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Iria Ahrens
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.12.16 00:03:00 -
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Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 16/12/2007 00:04:35
I'm a little suspect about some of the numbers here. Like the one guy that said a few bil, for 5 mins of work a month. So he really is not earning in the billions a day rate, Rather, I'm sure he's putting in a month or 3 month order and over the course of the order money is made. Still nice though.
5 minutes of effort also tells me he's highly focused in his market. I'm still under capitalized so I can't tie up large amounts of money in 3 month buy orders, or a lot of product in 3 month sell orders. Almost all of my trading time is spent researching. I check out 12 different regions and then either fill existing orders, of fill a perceived void. Sometimes that backfires though. Since I need fast money, I haul. Now that my capital is gettig a bit higher I'm starting to work with buy and sell orders, but in relatively cheap stuff.
My average run is about 30m. That's a few over 100 runs and several 5-8m runs. I"m still flying my T1 indie.
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