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Alexander Rahl
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Posted - 2004.02.28 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Alexander Rahl on 28/02/2004 14:18:26
Edited by: Alexander Rahl on 28/02/2004 13:29:44
has anyone else noticed the new stats for cap power relay;s on chaos? ie the ones that used to be -25% sh recharge 20% cap recharge. now they are..
-10% shields
10% cap recharge rate bonus
If this hits TQ then what is gonna be the point of lasers at all. Lasers got nerfed when they screwed up crystals and now Amarr ships lose the recharge required to fire them anyway. Out will go XL sh boosters. Nice one CCP. Please please dont screw with things that are not broken. Fix the things that need fixing.
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Managalar
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Posted - 2004.02.28 11:13:00 -
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What's the deal? Lots of people use them because they are actually needed, so, lets make them less useful. Yeah, great plan.
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2004.02.28 11:15:00 -
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I don't use Amarr ships, so I could be way off the mark here, but I thought they were meant to use armour for protection rather than rely on shields? (In terms of playing to your strengths, I mean.)
If that is the case, surely the trade off would be to either rely on your cap/race skills to both maintain cap and armour tank, or to rely on the armour as it stands to gain better cap recharge?
And wouldn't those who use, say, Caldari BS for shield tanking find this more of a concern?
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Millia Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.28 11:18:00 -
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I agree I don¦t think the caprelays need changes, they are fine as they are. there are few reasons for this,
1 could be if you ask your selfe what gives in first cap or shileds in fleet battles, it¦s allway¦s shileds even if you have lot¦s of cap and extralarge booster running.
if caprelay¦s get nerf someothing must come instead, like another skill wich increases the cap recharge even more. (could have requirements to finish both of the cap skills that are in the game now) or reduce the volumes of the cap bombs. But I think the caprelay¦s are fine like they are atm.
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Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.02.28 11:19:00 -
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if this hits tq it will ruin most peoples bs setup. what i dont understand is when they change stats of a module why they have to change it so much. 50% decrease is just stupid. perhaps they should be 16% or something. but if they come into tq with 10%, everyones setup will be stuffed and i expect some might even leave the game.
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Alexander Rahl
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Posted - 2004.02.28 11:23:00 -
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I don't use Amarr ships, so I could be way off the mark here, but I thought they were meant to use armour for protection rather than rely on shields? (In terms of playing to your strengths, I mean.)
If that is the case, surely the trade off would be to either rely on your cap/race skills to both maintain cap and armour tank, or to rely on the armour as it stands to gain better cap recharge?
And wouldn't those who use, say, Caldari BS for shield tanking find this more of a concern?
Even with armour tanking you will need reppers fitted and they still use cap. Also, the main usage of cap on an Amarr ship is guns. Albeit sh boosters drain a lot too. but sh tank or armour tank you will still need cap for firing weapons with. I agree with your point about caldari ships btw. This affects everyone in the game not just Amarr but Amarr ships will get the worst kick in the b@#ls.
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ZeaL dRaGoN
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Posted - 2004.02.28 11:45:00 -
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Edited by: ZeaL dRaGoN on 28/02/2004 11:50:19
This change of cap relays is just bull****.
Ships are allready dying fast enough, even with enough cap recharge. So i dont understand why they change the damn cap relays now!
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Managalar
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Posted - 2004.02.28 11:48:00 -
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If they knock it down to 10% then everyone will just switch to the 7.5% on the Power Diagnostic System I. Then when everyone is using the Power Diagnostic System I, they'll nerf it too.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.02.28 11:53:00 -
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Did a brief test today, just to point out how insane this change will be.
Ship type - Armageddon
Modules running:
4xTachs, 3xHeavy Beams, Warp disruptor, EM Ward.
Lowslot fitting:
5xcap relays, 2xreactor, 1xExtruded
Using this setup, primarily firepower, I could not sustain the guns firing infinitely, more like 2 or 3 minutes.
I did not even tap the shield booster ;)
Now imagine trying to run lasers on a ship fitted with 10% cap relays.
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FileCop AI
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Posted - 2004.02.28 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: FileCop AI on 28/02/2004 12:03:42
God damnit, I haven't flamed any of the completely stupid and insane changes ccp has made so far, but this just ****es me off? Haven't seen anything that stupid before. Killing all laser using ships - what the heck are you thinking about? This is yet another boost for tempest and yet another nerf for amarr. God damnit, can't you just leave the stuff as it is? Why do you have to change everything that works perfect every single patch? Play the game yourselves god damnit. Try take on an npc spawn of 6 cruisers etc. with 700 second cap recharge - GRRRRRRRR!!!'
fools. Apoc and arm is now nothing but a damn mining ship. THANKS!
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ZeaL dRaGoN
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Posted - 2004.02.28 11:59:00 -
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+ u got -50% shield now...rofl
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.02.28 12:02:00 -
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Stupid change. One more step closer to quitting this game. I cannot stand this psycho-sociophatic attitude that something successful cannot be allowed in this game and must be nerfed to uselessness, so that later, another carrot will be offered so you have to work yourself way up again.
I won't do it. I don't care how nice the graphics the game has, I cannot stand the ethos behind it and that of the developers.
Unless you offer a counterbalance, I say Go to hell, CCP.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.02.28 12:11:00 -
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+ u got -50% shield now...rofl
No m8, this test was performed on Tranquility, with the CURRENT TYPE OF CAP RELAYS!
Cut the running time in more than half with 10% cap relays.
Im so dead...
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Eneroth
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Posted - 2004.02.28 12:13:00 -
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hmm old news, havent you guys been reading on the forum before?
They nerfed em cuz the penalty from cap relays wasent a real penalty cuz u would get your cap up quickly by using the sb. So the shield recharge penalty was like crap.
-25% shield recharge, man that aint a real penalty.
Nerf tech1 and take out tech2 thats their plan.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.02.28 12:15:00 -
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well, the cap relays did need a change. couse it was 20% faster recharge with no penalties. but this change seems a little brutal...
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.02.28 12:15:00 -
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You are missing the point.
This change is unbalanced.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.02.28 12:28:00 -
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Real brutal.
Anyone wanna bet that TomB flies Minmatar ships?
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THE SINISTAR
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Posted - 2004.02.28 12:35:00 -
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WTS...tech 2 cap power relay(-25% shield recharge rate +20% cap recharge rate) 6 mil isk
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Nwalmaer
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Posted - 2004.02.28 12:54:00 -
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Even as a projectile user, I hope this is a joke. Either that or the greatest nerf mankind has ever known.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.28 12:58:00 -
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EVERYONE STOP!
This guy is using Cap Power Relay, which is 10% (a basic (tech 0) modules)
If you get Cap Power Relay I's, you will notice they haven't been changed yet.
Now sit down, and think about that...
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.02.28 13:01:00 -
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Ok.
1. Cap relays needs a nerf.
2. This nerf is WAY to hard.
This makes cap relay totally useless.
Armageddon, Apoc, Mega and Typhoon will now be armor tanks, using all their lows for armor suff and their meds for cap rechargers and Cap boosters.
Ravens and shield tanked scorps will switch all their cap relays to power diagnostic systems instead.
Tempests and Dominix... uhm, I'm not sure what will be best to do.
But NONE will ever use cap relays with this nerf.
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.02.28 13:02:00 -
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Quote:
EVERYONE STOP!
This guy is using Cap Power Relay, which is 10% (a basic (tech 0) modules)
If you get Cap Power Relay I's, you will notice they haven't been changed yet.
Now sit down, and think about that...
ROFLMAO, haha, that explains it
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.28 13:03:00 -
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/me waits for everyone to edit their posts, while eating a sandwich and quietly chuckling to himself
check first, *then* flame..
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Paddyman
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Posted - 2004.02.28 13:07:00 -
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Will u stop complaining that your stupid infinite cap setups are gone. They were an abuse of the module with people putting 7-8 of them in there low slots and have about 110 sec cap recharge time. Cap relays were WAY overpowered, all good with no draw back, especialy for a tech 1 item.
TomB isn't going to kill lasers, he knows they depended on cap relays alot to make them effective and im sure he will change things to suit. This changes are going to be tested and only then will the final decission's be made.
Also he has stated before that caldari ships were never ment to be tanks, that was for Amarr or gallante with amoour.
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Alexander Rahl
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Posted - 2004.02.28 13:27:00 -
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/me waits for everyone to edit their posts, while eating a sandwich and quietly chuckling to himself
check first, *then* flame..
I am talking about Cap Power relay I's. the best ones. You know? you go and look on chaos. the BEST cap power relay I's have those stats now. I apologise if my initial post didnt make this clear.
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"Death and Glory, Honour with Courage, Fury and Vengeance"
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.02.28 13:38:00 -
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No they don't.
Capacitor Power Relay I
Shield recharge rate bonus -25%
Tech level 1
Capacitor Recharge Rate Bonus 20%
Cpu Usage 4 tf
That's the stats listed on chaos this very minute.
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Managalar
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Posted - 2004.02.28 13:40:00 -
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/me waits for everyone to edit their posts, while eating a sandwich and quietly chuckling to himself
check first, *then* flame..
LOL Drunk. You think we'd mistake a cap power relay I for a basic one. No, its not on tranquility, but we had better start raising hell now.
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Lipton
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Posted - 2004.02.28 13:47:00 -
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Yup
They are still +20%/-25%...
As allways...
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.28 13:49:00 -
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/me waits for everyone to edit their posts, while eating a sandwich and quietly chuckling to himself
check first, *then* flame..
LOL Drunk. You think we'd mistake a cap power relay I for a basic one. No, its not on tranquility, but we had better start raising hell now.
Yes, obviously you would.
I am logged onto Chaos right now.
Capacitor Power Relay I:
-25% Shield Recharge Rate
20% Capacitor Recharge Bonus
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.28 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: drunkenmaster on 28/02/2004 13:56:31
OMG! Now I'm *really* laughing.
You guys kill me, sometimes.
chances are, some nimrod took the entire stack of CPR I's out of the hangar without realising. Ask a BH to respawn some.
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