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Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:37:00 - [31] Hrm....OP, I read between the lines and came up with this: "I suck at PvP and can't get any noobs to fight me in my wtfpwnmobile, and so I was hoping to pirate some ratters out in 0.0. Unfortunately, I haven't figured out how to do it yet. CCP, can you nerf them so I get more easy ganks?" yawn
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:41:00 - [32] Originally by: Gorjer Originally by: Blue Binary For exploration it is a necessity; as you are in a fragile CovOps ship waiting for a scan to finish. Without it the exploration profession would probably die (at least in low/null sec). Though there are Anti-cloaking modules in the item database, thankfully it's not seeded. Never say never... u Wow, thanks for that link, I know everyone is agaisnt the idea in this thread, the idea could need some refinement. My idea of the module was to un-cloak ships that are not natural cloakers (e.g BS, BC) What you should ask for is a scan probe that can find cloaked ships.
Gorjer Itto-Ryu	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:42:00 - [33] Originally by: Ashaz Originally by: Gorjer I'd like to see a person say 'no' that pvp's... ok. NO as for building on my argument. why should I when your own argument is missing the point. if you see them cloak as you warp in, you can decloak them anyway without too much trouble. the ones that safe up you won't find with a 50 km decloker toy. all that will do is make bubblecamps even more deadly for us who fly around 0.0 solo. Okay as you call yourselve a pvper you must be able to use the on-board scanner properly? If your good, you will scan someone very quikly and with luck they will cloak in the same belt, and be able to tell that they claoked rather than warp. However, this always happens just before you load grid, so cant tell were they are to uncloak them. With this module you would be able to uncloak them in the belt, however there must be certain drawbacks to the module, giving the npcer an additional chance to escape. Personally i dont think you have much experience scanning...
Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:47:00 - [34] Originally by: Gorjer Originally by: Ashaz Originally by: Gorjer I'd like to see a person say 'no' that pvp's... ok. NO as for building on my argument. why should I when your own argument is missing the point. if you see them cloak as you warp in, you can decloak them anyway without too much trouble. the ones that safe up you won't find with a 50 km decloker toy. all that will do is make bubblecamps even more deadly for us who fly around 0.0 solo. Okay as you call yourselve a pvper you must be able to use the on-board scanner properly? If your good, you will scan someone very quikly and with luck they will cloak in the same belt, and be able to tell that they claoked rather than warp. However, this always happens just before you load grid, so cant tell were they are to uncloak them. With this module you would be able to uncloak them in the belt, however there must be certain drawbacks to the module, giving the npcer an additional chance to escape. Personally i dont think you have much experience scanning... No, think of another way to break cloaking, this would be too fast imo.
Gorjer Itto-Ryu	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:47:00 - [35] Originally by: Curzon Dax Hrm....OP, I read between the lines and came up with this: "I suck at PvP and can't get any noobs to fight me in my wtfpwnmobile, and so I was hoping to pirate some ratters out in 0.0. Unfortunately, I haven't figured out how to do it yet. CCP, can you nerf them so I get more easy ganks?" yawn You have permission to stop posting, unless you can actively particiapte in producing a counterargument, that doesnt boil down to 'your crap.' When you've reached stage 4 of Kohlberg's morality progression, and are able to put youself in some1 elses shoes come back. Okay?
Gorjer Itto-Ryu	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:49:00 - [36] Originally by: Sorted Originally by: Gorjer Originally by: Ashaz Originally by: Gorjer I'd like to see a person say 'no' that pvp's... ok. NO as for building on my argument. why should I when your own argument is missing the point. if you see them cloak as you warp in, you can decloak them anyway without too much trouble. the ones that safe up you won't find with a 50 km decloker toy. all that will do is make bubblecamps even more deadly for us who fly around 0.0 solo. Okay as you call yourselve a pvper you must be able to use the on-board scanner properly? If your good, you will scan someone very quikly and with luck they will cloak in the same belt, and be able to tell that they claoked rather than warp. However, this always happens just before you load grid, so cant tell were they are to uncloak them. With this module you would be able to uncloak them in the belt, however there must be certain drawbacks to the module, giving the npcer an additional chance to escape. Personally i dont think you have much experience scanning... No, think of another way to break cloaking, this would be too fast imo. You may be right. Another idea I had was to delay some1's character appearing in local by 5-10 secs, but i havnt thought it through, so there maybe negative reprocussions else where in the game.
Hastur DragonTooth Amarr Call of Cthulhu	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:53:00 - [37] The real solution to this is for covert ops cloaked ships not to appear in local. Scientific test CCP ran to prove that EVE is heavily weighted in favor of Amarr, thus needing another nerf...
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:56:00 - [38] Originally by: Gorjer You may be right. Another idea I had was to delay some1's character appearing in local by 5-10 secs, but i havnt thought it through, so there maybe negative reprocussions else where in the game. Or they can just make it so that people only show up in local if they say something. It's lame that the local chat channel can be used as a recon tool.
Cipher7 VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:58:00 - [39] At the very least Proto cloak should be scannable to hunt down farmers.
Gorjer Itto-Ryu	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:59:00 - [40] Originally by: Cipher7 At the very least Proto cloak should be scannable to hunt down farmers. Well thats what ive been banging on about. However, as some1 conviently pointed out eariler, Stealth Bombers use Proto cloaks...
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.01 13:00:00 - [41] No. -- Support fixing the EVE UI
midge Mo'yb R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.01 13:00:00 - [42] cloaking is fine... -----------------------------------------------
LastTraitorStanding Amarr The Imperial Assassins	Posted - 2007.11.01 13:01:00 - [43] No, cloaking is fine. Also, diaf. -------------------------------- Semper ubi sub ubi
Cailais Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.01 13:01:00 - [44] Originally by: Jade190 Originally by: Gorjer Yes? Really, none of you guys must solo-pvp? Massively MULTIPLAYER Online Role Playing Game. Solo has no place in Eve and the mere mention of it negates your arguement The RL world's 'massively multiplayer' - go everywhere holding someones hand do you? C. Piratise Low Sec! or Eve on Hard Mode (idea)
Tessai Lsha	Posted - 2007.11.01 13:03:00 - [45] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Gorjer Originally by: Blue Binary For exploration it is a necessity; as you are in a fragile CovOps ship waiting for a scan to finish. Without it the exploration profession would probably die (at least in low/null sec). Though there are Anti-cloaking modules in the item database, thankfully it's not seeded. Never say never... u Wow, thanks for that link, I know everyone is agaisnt the idea in this thread, the idea could need some refinement. My idea of the module was to un-cloak ships that are not natural cloakers (e.g BS, BC) What you should ask for is a scan probe that can find cloaked ships. This is a good idea. Say make the cloaking effect wear off after 10 or 20 minutes of being cloaked. At this point you have some chance of finding the person with the cloak probes. The person has to recloak but there's a bit of a time delay so they have to warp around safespots a bit. For one this will do away with those pesky people who sit all day long in one system in a cloaked recon not even attending to the game most of the time, then once every 3 or so hours uncloak and nab and NPCer, and then call themselves great pvpers for it (i mean is this lame and totally not creating and annoying or what?). It will also make it more difficult to farmers to control all of their accounts. Right now they have may be 5 ravens run by single person. Once someone enters system, they warp one raven and it sits cloaked while they rat with the other 4. If they cannot sit perfectly cloaked for prolonged periods of time, they'll get more careless as each account will require more of their attention to control. Make cov ops of course not have this effect but function same as it does right now because it is not a combat ship but rather used for exploration and spying.
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Daikoku Fleet Shipyards	Posted - 2007.11.01 13:04:00 - [46] Originally by: Jade190 Originally by: Gorjer Yes? Really, none of you guys must solo-pvp? Massively MULTIPLAYER Online Role Playing Game. Solo has no place in Eve and the mere mention of it negates your arguement Nonsense. ~Ryoji Tanakama Daikoku Fleet Shipyards
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.01 13:15:00 - [47] Please don't fix what is not broken. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Joss Sparq Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.01 13:20:00 - [48] Originally by: Galactic reporter No Clocking is fine Tick-tock! (Sorry, couldn't help myself there) Originally by: Jade190 Massively MULTIPLAYER Online Role Playing Game. Solo has no place in Eve and the mere mention of it negates your arguement I call shenanigan's! The rather obvious counter argument of one-man corporations aside and it not being excluded by CCP, this is utter *****s and I think you know that. Originally by:** ChironV No. I would prefer people cloaking to logoffskie. Then both problems need to be resolved, rather than argue for fixing one or the other. As for the OP, I disagree with your method but I agree there is a problem of sorts. My particular dislike of cloak "abuse" are those shady characters found in 0.0 using a cheap cloak to protect their ratting BS every time someone comes into the system and as anyone with experience of it will know, they're rather obviously not there for a legitimate gaming reason.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.11.01 13:32:00 - [49] Bow wow wow yippee yo yippe ayyyyyy... Why must I...always feel...like that? Why does the dog...chase the cat? George Clinton rules Ooops...sorry..please return to tail-chasing "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
MrTriggerHappy Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.01 15:55:00 - [50] Originally by: Gorjer I'd like to see a person say 'no' that pvp's, because my understanding atm is that your are 0.0 ratters, which is fine for you to have a say, but at least buil on your argument? Hi, I said it before "NO" PvP proof (havent done much for over a year due to new job) No changes.. end of discussion -------------------------------- My Comments in no way reflect my corp or alliance
Hana Lena Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.11.01 16:04:00 - [51] No. ADHD + Dyslexia = BAD SPELLING Proud to be in the FNA and not be a alt! Meow Mix! Bacon! DOOM!
Slatrin	Posted - 2007.11.01 16:07:00 - [52] What about, no?
Lucky 8 Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.11.01 16:29:00 - [53] Cloaking whine! How cute! You nerf cloaking and every mission hub will have 5000 more people farming lvl 4's. -- Originally by: Nicho Void This thread is like a chum slick for forum alt trolls.
Christari Zuborov Amarr Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.01 16:36:00 - [54] My understanding is that they plan to remove local for cloaked ships - I'm perfectly fine with that Fire up the Recon ships boys, it's going to be huntin season soon
podadot	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:27:00 - [55] Just make the amount of cap the cloak consumes related to the mass of the ship. Thus a cloaked bs can only stay cloaked for a little while while a frig can stay cloaked much longer. Real cloaking ships, like covops, should still be able to stay cloaked indefinitely.
Alloures	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:44:00 - [56] Originally by: Gorjer Originally by: Cipher7 At the very least Proto cloak should be scannable to hunt down farmers. Well thats what ive been banging on about. However, as some1 conviently pointed out eariler, Stealth Bombers use Proto cloaks... Some ONE.
Constance Noring	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:53:00 - [57] "Waah waah, why aren't ratters served to me on a silver plate upon entering a system? Fix pls CCP!"
Major Stallion Four Rings Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:59:00 - [58] Originally by: Gorjer Just read a topic on how cloaking is ruining 0.0 comabat, think it was Slothes. wait theres only one other topic on this.....roflmao ________________________________ High Sec PvP Originally by: "Wylker" CCP has finally mastered stupidity
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.11.01 19:05:00 - [59] Originally by: Jade190 Originally by: Gorjer Yes? Really, none of you guys must solo-pvp? Massively MULTIPLAYER Online Role Playing Game. Solo has no place in Eve and the mere mention of it negates your arguement Says the person that isnt even in a corporation. Cloaks do kind a suck. You can accomplish the same by warping around the system till the aggressors leave. All the cloak grants the NPC'er is the ability to go to the bathroom/get another beer while the solo'er or GANG (really not seeing how any of you muppets assume this is merely a solo'er problem) futiley attempts to scan out the ratter. Limit cloaks somehow, or make them uber expensive again. Something to prevent these lazy pilots from getting away. ----------------- Friends Forever Kill. BoB. Dead.
The Mute Minmatar Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.11.01 19:10:00 - [60] Cloaking is fine. Fix AFKing behind POS shields. --------------------------------------------------

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