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Gorjer Itto-Ryu	Posted - 2007.11.01 11:45:00 - [1] Just read a topic on how cloaking is ruining 0.0 comabat, think it was Slothes. Something that i wholeheartidly agree with. Cloaking pretty much makes it impossible to kill npcers in 0.0 (supposedly the most dangerous space.) However with cloaks, there is no way to differentiate 0.0 with Empire. Okay the proposition: 'Cloaking Disruption' module. It should have a specific range (e.g. 50km) and acts like an ECM Burst. Anything within its range losses cloak for a brief period. Drawbacks of the module should include a 70% decrease in speed for 30sec, this means that the cloaking module isnt completely nerfed as the agressor might not be in range to scamble the prey. Thus it would be necessary to have a tackler with you (re-introduce the inty :P) All I'm saying is that npcers have survived for years bybeing pre-aligned and having ss in system, they dont need a 'lazy-man's' tool to help them harvest the fruits of 0.0 :P Thoughts?
Jade190	Posted - 2007.11.01 11:49:00 - [2] No
Galactic reporter Galactic reporter independant news corp	Posted - 2007.11.01 11:51:00 - [3] No Clocking is fine
MR CAPSLOCK	Posted - 2007.11.01 11:52:00 - [4] N0
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.11.01 11:54:00 - [5] no
MrTriggerHappy Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.01 11:54:00 - [6] No -------------------------------- My Comments in no way reflect my corp or alliance
Tolas Caldari Aerthyrian Sovereignty	Posted - 2007.11.01 11:58:00 - [7] no
Gorjer Itto-Ryu	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:00:00 - [8] Yes? Really, none of you guys must solo-pvp?
kurg Amarr Science Production And NuKing Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:00:00 - [9] No
Ava Baby shimonoso Corp Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:00:00 - [10] I don't know about that, the cloak as saved my ass many of times. However people sitting in cloaked covert ops ships for days on end is anoying.
Jade190	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:02:00 - [11] Originally by: Gorjer Yes? Really, none of you guys must solo-pvp? Massively MULTIPLAYER Online Role Playing Game. Solo has no place in Eve and the mere mention of it negates your arguement
Gorjer Itto-Ryu	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Jade190 Originally by: Gorjer Yes? Really, none of you guys must solo-pvp? Massively MULTIPLAYER Online Role Playing Game. Solo has no place in Eve and the mere mention of it negates your arguement Doesnt matter if your by yourself or have 200 people in inty's MS and titan's, your still not gonna get the kill. To me that seems excessive. Dont get me wrong, i like to be able to claok when something in rl is needed, but with the current system theres no cahnce to catch those pesky isk farmers...
Galactic reporter Galactic reporter independant news corp	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:06:00 - [13] 9 out of 9 people in this thread disagree with you
Jade190	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:07:00 - [14] Originally by: Gorjer Doesnt matter if your by yourself or have 200 people in inty's MS and titan's, your still not gonna get the kill. To me that seems excessive. Dont get me wrong, i like to be able to claok when something in rl is needed, but with the current system theres no cahnce to catch those pesky isk farmers... Pesky ISK farmers? Everyone want to make money. Why should you be able to stop them from doing so? If you really don't like them, come up with a plan to catch them and execute it, instead of running to the forums and whining about cloaks. And if you can't come up with a plan, ask someone. If no one tells you, guess your S.O.L.
ChironV Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:08:00 - [15] No. I would prefer people cloaking to logoffskie. ________________________________________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion,
MR CAPSLOCK	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:08:00 - [16] CASE CLOSED
heheheh The Scope	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:08:00 - [17] You cant fix something thats not broken. If you cant hide, wheres the point ?
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:09:00 - [18] Originally by: Gorjer Yes? Really, none of you guys must solo-pvp? The "solution" in question doesn't even address the supposed "problem". Those people warp to a safe and cloak there. You are not going to get close enough to be able to decloak them. The one and only thing it will do is make it nearly impossible for regular cloaking ships to survive 0.0 gate camps.
Gorjer Itto-Ryu	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:10:00 - [19] Pesky ISK farmers? Everyone want to make money. Why should you be able to stop them from doing so? If you really don't like them, come up with a plan to catch them and execute it, instead of running to the forums and whining about cloaks. And if you can't come up with a plan, ask someone. If no one tells you, guess your S.O.L. Seriosuly mate, you must not pvp. THERE IS NO PLAN! N/m what you say there is no current plan to kill npcers with claoks ( unless the npcer isnt concentrating) i'm just asking to get some sort of edge back. Honestly people lived without them for years before they were introduced..
Gorjer Itto-Ryu	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:12:00 - [20] The "solution" in question doesn't even address the supposed "problem". Those people warp to a safe and cloak there. You are not going to get close enough to be able to decloak them. The one and only thing it will do is make it nearly impossible for regular cloaking ships to survive 0.0 gate camps. Okay, maybe i should have mentioned it shouldnt affect proper cloaking ships, that used the cov-ops cloaking device.
Galactic reporter Galactic reporter independant news corp	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:12:00 - [21] Originally by: Gorjer Pesky ISK farmers? Everyone want to make money. Why should you be able to stop them from doing so? If you really don't like them, come up with a plan to catch them and execute it, instead of running to the forums and whining about cloaks. And if you can't come up with a plan, ask someone. If no one tells you, guess your S.O.L. Seriosuly mate, you must not pvp. THERE IS NO PLAN! N/m what you say there is no current plan to kill npcers with claoks ( unless the npcer isnt concentrating) i'm just asking to get some sort of edge back. Honestly people lived without them for years before they were introduced.. Yea but eve has changed now theres MUCH more people playing. Also ive cought loads of NPC ratters all you have to do if jump in to the system check where they last npced then jump out. 2mins later jump back in warp right into that location and BAM DEAD RAVEN
Khes	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:17:00 - [22] NO!
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:18:00 - [23] Originally by: Gorjer The "solution" in question doesn't even address the supposed "problem". Those people warp to a safe and cloak there. You are not going to get close enough to be able to decloak them. The one and only thing it will do is make it nearly impossible for regular cloaking ships to survive 0.0 gate camps. Okay, maybe i should have mentioned it shouldnt affect proper cloaking ships, that used the cov-ops cloaking device. The Stealth Bomber (and the coming Black Ops battleships, but that's less of an issue) doesn't use the covert ops cloak. With your suggestion goes any chance of stealth for them. And it doesn't really address the issue you have anyway.
Jade190	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:20:00 - [24] Edited by: Jade190 on 01/11/2007 12:20:27 Originally by: Gorjer Seriosuly mate, you must not pvp. THERE IS NO PLAN! N/m what you say there is no current plan to kill npcers with claoks ( unless the npcer isnt concentrating) i'm just asking to get some sort of edge back. Honestly people lived without them for years before they were introduced.. Actually, I pvp plenty. And there is a plan, as someone already stated. You are just asking CCP to give you an advantage over someone else, which is just god damn selfish. You, sir, need to be flogged. edit: spelling
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:21:00 - [25] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 01/11/2007 12:21:40 I think the best way to sort out any lingering cloaking issues would be to eliminate capital ships from the game. "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Gorjer Itto-Ryu	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:21:00 - [26] Yea but eve has changed now theres MUCH more people playing. Also ive cought loads of NPC ratters all you have to do if jump in to the system check where they last npced then jump out. 2mins later jump back in warp right into that location and BAM DEAD RAVEN Mate if only it were that simple. That tactic probably works 1/15. Honestly the number of times ive gone into a system scanned some1 straight away.. (and i mean straight away!) just to have them cloak as soon as i begin to come out of warp is ridiculous. I'd like to see a person say 'no' that pvp's, because my understanding atm is that your are 0.0 ratters, which is fine for you to have a say, but at least buil on your argument?
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:23:00 - [27] Originally by: Gorjer Yes? Really, none of you guys must solo-pvp? Sure...sometimes...in a Rapier F1 Cloaks and "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Blue Binary	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:29:00 - [28] For exploration it is a necessity; as you are in a fragile CovOps ship waiting for a scan to finish. Without it the exploration profession would probably die (at least in low/null sec). Though there are Anti-cloaking modules in the item database, thankfully it's not seeded. Never say never... ____________ Blue B⁫⁫⁫⁫inary
Gorjer Itto-Ryu	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:34:00 - [29] Originally by: Blue Binary For exploration it is a necessity; as you are in a fragile CovOps ship waiting for a scan to finish. Without it the exploration profession would probably die (at least in low/null sec). Though there are Anti-cloaking modules in the item database, thankfully it's not seeded. Never say never... u Wow, thanks for that link, I know everyone is agaisnt the idea in this thread, the idea could need some refinement. My idea of the module was to un-cloak ships that are not natural cloakers (e.g BS, BC)
Ashaz Mindstar Technology	Posted - 2007.11.01 12:35:00 - [30] Originally by: Gorjer I'd like to see a person say 'no' that pvp's... ok. NO as for building on my argument. why should I when your own argument is missing the point. if you see them cloak as you warp in, you can decloak them anyway without too much trouble. the ones that safe up you won't find with a 50 km decloker toy. all that will do is make bubblecamps even more deadly for us who fly around 0.0 solo.

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