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Decidus
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.11.02 14:15:00 -
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I am looking to be a PvP pilot. I just did train to get into crusiers (I have a Gallente Thorax now). Thing is most of my 1.2mil skill points are in learning. What skills should I be focusing on to be an effective PvP pilot. I am toying with the idea of moving to a battleship. Or should I stay in a smaller class?
There is a lot of info, and as a new player, I feel somewhat overwhelmed. Thanks folks.
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Menellaix
Angel of War Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.11.02 14:19:00 -
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T2 guns. Or more learning.
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Decidus
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.11.02 14:20:00 -
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Should I forego the idea of a battleship for now?
I am past the 1st set of learning skills and am trained up to at least lvl 4 (some are @ 5) in all but 1 of the second set of learning.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar AFK
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Posted - 2007.11.02 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Decidus Should I forego the idea of a battleship for now?
I am past the 1st set of learning skills and am trained up to at least lvl 4 (some are @ 5) in all but 1 of the second set of learning.
Isn't that almost 2M skillpoints?
Anyway, if you feel you've done enough learning, there are basically two options:
(1) Get to fly cruisers really well and train up T2 fitting skills (you'll need those once you get to BS anyway). (2) Move on to BS and then start training BS related skills (including any T2 skills which you would've trained at option 1).
Some people say you shouldn't move on too fast, but if you hate cruisers and love BS there's no point in not moving on. Also once you can fly BS you're still able and allowed to fly cruisers anyway. =AFK=
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Decidus
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.11.02 14:53:00 -
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Thanks guys!
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Galan Undris
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Posted - 2007.11.02 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Galan Undris on 02/11/2007 14:57:56 I would at lest put a few levels in Battlecruiser so you substain your pvp expenses. Ratting/missioning in a t1 cruiser ain't gonna make you rich.
All the modules are the same as on the cruiser anyway.
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Ka Jolo
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Posted - 2007.11.02 16:16:00 -
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If your main interest is PvP, then you'll soon be broke flying cruisers. Go back and fly an Incursus or Tristan until you're somewhere in the 2-2.5M SP range, then go back to that Thorax. In the meantime focus on MWD/AB, gunnery, drone, and tank skills.
Right now, a new character in a T1 frigate could gank you in your Thorax. And plenty will try; after all, they have little to lose and a lot to gain in taking on your ship. You don't want to do PvP with that Thorax until your guns are fast-shooting and pack a big punch, your drones are t2, you can maneuver well enough to use tactics that give you the advantage, and your tank is respectable.
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Enve'la
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Posted - 2007.11.02 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Decidus I am looking to be a PvP pilot. I just did train to get into crusiers (I have a Gallente Thorax now). Thing is most of my 1.2mil skill points are in learning. What skills should I be focusing on to be an effective PvP pilot. I am toying with the idea of moving to a battleship. Or should I stay in a smaller class?
There is a lot of info, and as a new player, I feel somewhat overwhelmed. Thanks folks.
Originally by: Decidus I am looking to be a PvP pilot. I just did train to get into crusiers (I have a Gallente Thorax now). Thing is most of my 1.2mil skill points are in learning. What skills should I be focusing on to be an effective PvP pilot. I am toying with the idea of moving to a battleship. Or should I stay in a smaller class?
There is a lot of info, and as a new player, I feel somewhat overwhelmed. Thanks folks.
Don't rush. It will cost you. I imagine that at least half of all first time battleship buyers lose it on their first mission. Support skills are the key, and without them, increasing your ship size only increases does nothing to increase your survivability, only your cost to replace it.
Before considering moving from a cruiser/battlecruiser to a battleship, you will need the following as a gallente:
Hull Upgrades 4 Repair Systems 4 Mechanic 5 Engineering 5 Energy Grid Upgrades 4 Electronics 4 Electronic Upgrades 4 Afterburner 4 Navigation 4 Energy Management 4 Jury Rigging 1 Various Armor Compensations 3-4 Large Hybrid Turret 4-5 Motion Prediction 4 Rapid Firing 4 Sharpshooting 4 Controlled Bursts 4 Trajectory Analysis 4 Weapon Upgrades 5 Advanced Weapon Upgrades 3-4 Drones 5 Scout Drone Operation 5 and/or Heavy Drone Operation 5 Drone Interfacing 3-4 Battleship 4
This list is not all inclusive, ie it does not include all support skills, pvp-specific skills, or prereqs, but will allow you a good tech 2 fitting for most everything except the guns. Tech 2 large hybrid guns have an extra list: Small Hybrid Turret 5 Medium Hybrid Turret 5 Large Hybrid Turret 5 Small Railgun/Blaster Spec 4 Medium Railgun/Blaster Spec 4 Sharpshooter/Motion Prediction 5
The best way to get into PvP is to join a corporation that can pay to put you in frigates that you can lose, repeatedly. In another month or so, maybe you can start losing cruisers. |
Malcanis
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.02 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Decidus I am looking to be a PvP pilot. I just did train to get into crusiers (I have a Gallente Thorax now). Thing is most of my 1.2mil skill points are in learning. What skills should I be focusing on to be an effective PvP pilot. I am toying with the idea of moving to a battleship. Or should I stay in a smaller class?
There is a lot of info, and as a new player, I feel somewhat overwhelmed. Thanks folks.
First up: do you like the idea of big slow, heavy hitters, or small, nimble stingers?
Second: do you like getting up close and personal, or do you like to snipe from a safe position
Third: do you want to cow your opponents with a display of power, or use stealth and patience to trick them?
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Decidus
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.11.02 17:24:00 -
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Quote: First up: do you like the idea of big slow, heavy hitters, or small, nimble stingers?
Second: do you like getting up close and personal, or do you like to snipe from a safe position
Third: do you want to cow your opponents with a display of power, or use stealth and patience to trick them?
Thanks for the response guys!
As for the above quote... At first I thought it would be fun to do the stealth/patience route. But the more I think of it, the more I just want to pound the hell out of things with brute force.
But you guys are giving me a good direction to go. Still, any other input is appreciated.
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Seringol
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.02 18:19:00 -
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My advice, as someone that has came through the learning stages 'recently'. ( I have like 5 Mil SP. )
Stay small. Train up until you can fit T2 everything, even if you dont use it. Train up all the support skills before you train for larger than a Cruiser, because the support skills wont change; you just might need to add a few more if you decide to try Caldari and need Shield tanking.
If you are going Gallente, I recommend getting you armor tanking up, followed by Small Hybrid V. I used drones as my main source of damage, but thats being changed and now I am having to play catch up as well.
I wouldnt PvP in a Cruiser yet, but they do have enough power to keep you alive through level II missions.
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Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2007.11.02 22:05:00 -
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Battlecruiser should be the next step, of course. It's like a cruiser, but more battleworthy! And it's not nearly as expensive as a BS to buy and fit.
Originally by: Slayton Ford a Drake is normally primaried last
And that's why I love that homely boat! |
TimMc
Skiddies of Doom
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Posted - 2007.11.03 00:45:00 -
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Edited by: TimMc on 03/11/2007 00:45:13
Originally by: Dubious Drewski Battlecruiser should be the next step, of course. It's like a cruiser, but more battleworthy! And it's not nearly as expensive as a BS to buy and fit.
Unless you rig them, then my Myrmidon only costs a bit less than my Dominix.
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Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2007.11.03 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc Unless you rig them, then my Myrmidon only costs a bit less than my Dominix.
Umm, and if you rig the Domi it will be expensive too. So what's your point?
Originally by: Slayton Ford a Drake is normally primaried last
And that's why I love that homely boat! |
VicturusTeSaluto
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Posted - 2007.11.04 01:23:00 -
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It is a huge newbie error to try and get into the biggest ship possible as quickly as possible. You will lose your BS to the first t2 fitted cruiser or BC that you encounter.
For reference, I have 12mil sp and have never even undocked in a battleship. You would need several months of training for a BS to be worth it- support skills, fitting skills etc are so vital. You would also need to specialize towards battleships.
I would not even consider the thorax at 1.2sp. I would use the vexor, but I suppose it does depend on whether you picked soldier or special forces. The Thorax generally needs a lot of SP to make it shine. The Vexor, on the other hand, is a great ship for low sp combat.
I'd train up drone and gunnery skills and ofcourse make sure you have gallente cruiser to 4.
Gallente BC are not all that great of an idea at the moment. The Myrm is about to get nerfed up one side and down the other. The Brutix is a great ship that does amazing DPS but it does not tank at all.
You can do a lot in gallente cruisers, I'd just focus on being able to fly those well until you have enough iskies and combat experience to think about a BC.
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Malcanis
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.04 11:26:00 -
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The Myrmi should still be a damb good BC even if it gets busted down to using 5x mediums.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
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