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SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:35:00 - [1] To CCP Motherships and Titans are supposed to be immune to all forms of EW and scrambling, this is what separates them from your run of the mill carrier and give them the 30, 40, 50+ billion price tag with load outs. This has shown to be acceptable by the EvE community, since most realize that when you spend that kind of isk on a ship you SHOULD have some benefits associated with the price. A few months pass by and suddenly someone at CCP decides that warp scrambling in 0.0 should be allowed with the aid of dictor spheres. And suddenly the very expensive MoM becomes a slightly better carrier because of more damage dealt. These ships start dying and dying a lot to everyone every where, hell people even killed one in low sec which according to the forum warriors is not possible. Now CCP decides that MoM and Titans are just too damn good, at what I am not sure but apparently they are. Which means that any MoM or Titan can be warp scrambled in LOW SEC, by a cruiser sized ship. Not a dictor bubble, but a warp disruptor from a heavy dictor. What is the point? Why would anyone in their right mind use MoM's at ALL? I just don't get it.
pony2slow	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:46:00 - [2] Who knows. I really dont think CCP even plays the game anymore. Cause more than half the changes they are making either A: DONT MAKE SENSE or B: dont make sense. I just dont see how somone cares about the game so much becomes so distant to what the public want. They are going to make Titans and MoM,s and carriers just next to useless. They are going to make it so you need alot more support than you currently do you field them. Thus increasing the numbers in local bringing the already choking servers to their knees. Now thinking about it maybe they are tired of the game and the community and are just trying to get people to quit so they finally get to say we fixed the lag. Bah who cares. Obviously CCP doesnt.
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:48:00 - [3] That heavy interdictor looks pretty damn vulnerable to me. Sure, it's got some good tank on it, but it's pinned just as surely as the mothership/Titan, and it can't be remote repped. Any supercap pilot worth his salt will call in his support to BBQ that heavy interdictor. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
turnschuh Viper Squad	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:50:00 - [4] http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=514
Corwain Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:50:00 - [5] The price tag is closer to 10bil if you're not getting ripped off by the 0.0 landholding alliances. Megathron=100mil, Vindicator=1bil, you get a MWD bonus and an extra mid 1bil/100mil=10 Carrier=1bil, Mothership 10bil, you get OMGWTFLOTS of extra bonuses and LOTS of extra slots. 10bil/1bil=10 I fail to see the problem here. You got to abuse game mechanics long enough, now the fix is coming. Quit wining, 10bil doesn't buy you a never die card. --
Deitre Cibrus Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:54:00 - [6] lol ----------- Originally by: Santiago Cortes Please don't derail your own thread. What is this sig missing? Pretty colours? -Conuion Not true! Has plenty -Deitre It's missing the goat!- Tirg Cowbell! -Scyd Gold gold, baby -Sahwoolo Violet fluffiness? -Incognus What rhymes with orange? -Rauth
Pac SubCom A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.11.02 19:01:00 - [7] Originally by: SATAN Now CCP decides that MoM and Titans are just too damn good, at what I am not sure but apparently they are. Which means that any MoM or Titan can be warp scrambled in LOW SEC, by a cruiser sized ship. Not a dictor bubble, but a warp disruptor from a heavy dictor. I can't follow you, where is it written that you can use the HIC scrambler in lowsec? You use the bubbler with a script, but it's still the bubbler, which can't be used in lowsec, or can it. --------------- ∞ TQFE
SEN 5243	Posted - 2007.11.02 19:03:00 - [8] Edited by: SEN 5243 on 02/11/2007 19:03:43 cap without support is a deadcap
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.11.02 19:06:00 - [9] You should not be able to buy your way to invulnerablility and wtfpwn. You still can in low sec, that one MOM kill being basically a fluke. That being said, it would appear that they are a little too easy to kill these days. Not sure how to fix this in a balanced way, going back to lolicanalwaysgetawaydontcomplainipaidalotofisk is not the way. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
Natalie Jax Indecision Industries	Posted - 2007.11.02 19:19:00 - [10] There has been a problem of late with MoM pilots sitting on lowsec gates spamming Smartbombs, killing damn near everything that came through with absolutely no fear of reprisal. No bubbles meant that it couldn't be taken down in lowsec and the gate guns were lol to it. So CCP had to make a choice. Decide to call a legitimate game mechanic an "exploit" and start banning MoM pilots. Or change the game mechanics slightly to keep people from using MoMs in ways they were never intended. Flying a supercapital should always involve risk. That risk was not present in lowsec so people were using MoM's to be utter choads. This is probably one of the few nerfs that I approve of for the Trinity Nerfspansion.
pony2slow	Posted - 2007.11.02 19:24:00 - [11] Originally by: SEN 5243 Edited by: SEN 5243 on 02/11/2007 19:03:43 cap without support is a deadcap cap+support= 5 frames a minute.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.02 19:25:00 - [12] Edited by: LUKEC on 02/11/2007 19:25:29 at antisupercap whiners. Yes supercaps in lowsec are easy mode and require counter. In 0.0, supercap is like "kill me" written over 15+ bil piece that can't tank any better than ghetto t2 fitted dread or 2 carriers remote repping each other (<- sell ms, buy another char, 2 carriers and pay gtcs for 2 years and you still have some isk left) And even bigger lawl at people going GAGAGAGA about support fleet... it's like you bring it out when you know you can't lose it or something?
FOFOFOF CRAPSTORM	Posted - 2007.11.02 19:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn lolicanalwaysgetawaydontcomplainipaidalotofisk THIS!
Martinez Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.02 19:39:00 - [14] CCP is forcing you to be in a 100man gang at all times. not every system you might have to jump to you can get support in. I agree with earlier posters that the devs don't play this game anymore. Its a cash grab trying to get as much as possible before they nerf it so much people quit in mass. Then it will be us nerfing CCP.
ArmyOfMe hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.02 19:42:00 - [15] was about time, maybe now we will see less moms in low sec
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.11.02 19:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Corwain The price tag is closer to 10bil if you're not getting ripped off by the 0.0 landholding alliances. Megathron=100mil, Vindicator=1bil, you get a MWD bonus and an extra mid 1bil/100mil=10 Carrier=1bil, Mothership 10bil, you get OMGWTFLOTS of extra bonuses and LOTS of extra slots. 10bil/1bil=10 I fail to see the problem here. You got to abuse game mechanics long enough, now the fix is coming. Quit wining, 10bil doesn't buy you a never die card. You are kidding your self, please come to reality. I know several people in the building business of these ships, just components is over 15billion on say a Nyx. Not to mention BPO/BPC, Control tower setup/fuel, logistics to actualy build it, and to make any sort of profit. You will NEVER see one even close to what you think they cost, unless there are drastic changes to the actual costs/logistics involved.
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.11.02 19:45:00 - [17] Originally by: Acoco Osiris That heavy interdictor looks pretty damn vulnerable to me. Sure, it's got some good tank on it, but it's pinned just as surely as the mothership/Titan, and it can't be remote repped. Any supercap pilot worth his salt will call in his support to BBQ that heavy interdictor. Not true, You can remote rep them all negative effects are removed from the activated module with the script. Not to mention that a MoM or Especialy Titan wont be able to do enough damage to the thing because of speed tanking to get it off its back, and it can scrable outside of Neut range.
Aya Otosaki	Posted - 2007.11.02 19:49:00 - [18] note to ccp. overpowered stuff reduces blob. just remember to have high sp req. ----- Ignorance is my strength.
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2007.11.02 21:17:00 - [19] Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 02/11/2007 21:19:43 Originally by: SATAN To CCP Motherships and Titans are supposed to be immune to all forms of EW and scrambling, this is what separates them from your run of the mill carrier and give them the 30, 40, 50+ billion price tag with load outs. This has shown to be acceptable by the EvE community, since most realize that when you spend that kind of isk on a ship you SHOULD have some benefits associated with the price. A few months pass by and suddenly someone at CCP decides that warp scrambling in 0.0 should be allowed with the aid of dictor spheres. And suddenly the very expensive MoM becomes a slightly better carrier because of more damage dealt. These ships start dying and dying a lot to everyone every where, hell people even killed one in low sec which according to the forum warriors is not possible. Now CCP decides that MoM and Titans are just too damn good, at what I am not sure but apparently they are. Which means that any MoM or Titan can be warp scrambled in LOW SEC, by a cruiser sized ship. Not a dictor bubble, but a warp disruptor from a heavy dictor. What is the point? Why would anyone in their right mind use MoM's at ALL? I just don't get it. So they make it so MoMs can be scrambled by bubbles and that leads to a MoM death in lowsec (which by the way, was due to a huge error by the MoM pilot). Epic logic fail. So they can be warp scrambled, oh noes. Try just killing the weak cruiser or ecming it? Wow you can warp again... It's weird how much of the "flaws" in CCP's thinking narrow down to a lack of player skill and/or understanding.
J Valkor Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.11.02 21:25:00 - [20] Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Acoco Osiris That heavy interdictor looks pretty damn vulnerable to me. Sure, it's got some good tank on it, but it's pinned just as surely as the mothership/Titan, and it can't be remote repped. Any supercap pilot worth his salt will call in his support to BBQ that heavy interdictor. Not true, You can remote rep them all negative effects are removed from the activated module with the script. Not to mention that a MoM or Especialy Titan wont be able to do enough damage to the thing because of speed tanking to get it off its back, and it can scrable outside of Neut range. Have you been low sec soloing in a carrier?
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.02 21:27:00 - [21] Edited by: LUKEC on 02/11/2007 21:28:14 meh nm. If that hactorwhatever can be remote repped... i guess ms prices will drop considerably
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.11.02 21:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Originally by: SATAN To CCP Motherships and Titans are supposed to be immune to all forms of EW and scrambling, this is what separates them from your run of the mill carrier and give them the 30, 40, 50+ billion price tag with load outs. This has shown to be acceptable by the EvE community, since most realize that when you spend that kind of isk on a ship you SHOULD have some benefits associated with the price. A few months pass by and suddenly someone at CCP decides that warp scrambling in 0.0 should be allowed with the aid of dictor spheres. And suddenly the very expensive MoM becomes a slightly better carrier because of more damage dealt. These ships start dying and dying a lot to everyone every where, hell people even killed one in low sec which according to the forum warriors is not possible. Now CCP decides that MoM and Titans are just too damn good, at what I am not sure but apparently they are. Which means that any MoM or Titan can be warp scrambled in LOW SEC, by a cruiser sized ship. Not a dictor bubble, but a warp disruptor from a heavy dictor. What is the point? Why would anyone in their right mind use MoM's at ALL? I just don't get it. So they make it to MoMs can be scrambled by bubbles and that leads to a MoM death in lowsec. Epic logic fail. So they can be warp scrambled, oh noes. Try just killing a weak cruiser or ecming it? Wow you can warp again... It's weird how much of the "flaws" in CCP's thinking narrow down to a lack of player skill and/or understanding. Do you think before you write? Or are you just handicapped that way? Unless you plan on having something that can HIT a cruiser going 4-5k sec, with a very big tank for a cruiser or happen to have EW support ALWAYS following your super cap around your points are obviously clueless. Far as my lack of skill or understanding goes, I most likely have more kills and been involved in more fights than you and all your friends combined. So please put that thing you call an e peen back in your pants cause it really is very small and insignificant. Bottom line is these ships are supposed to be immune to all forms of EW and scrambling anywhere in EvE. Now they are not, perhaps soon CCP will make a special module that any 2 month old noob can fit that jams and capital ship just to make the transformation complete.
Rudy Metallo Additional Pylons	Posted - 2007.11.02 21:30:00 - [23] Lemme guess, PO'd Lowsec Mommy pilot? Mom's needed to be nerfed in lowsec. They have been (almost) unkillable up to this point. Don't try and deny it, if I remember correctly x13 are the only ones to ever killed a MoM in lowsec, and it took literal months of planning. Get. Over. It. -- We are the revolutionaries. We are the usurpers of the heavenly throne. We are the enemies of the Gods.
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.11.02 21:38:00 - [24] Originally by: Rudy Metallo Lemme guess, PO'd Lowsec Mommy pilot? Mom's needed to be nerfed in lowsec. They have been (almost) unkillable up to this point. Don't try and deny it, if I remember correctly x13 are the only ones to ever killed a MoM in lowsec, and it took literal months of planning. Get. Over. It. Your guess would be wrong, very wrong. We don't gate camp low sec systems. Fact is its not hard to keep a MoM pinned even without it being scrambled, been there done that. If they dont have their bonus then what is the point of flying a MoM over a carrier? Use common sense in answering this question not a ahahahaha your uber toy is nerfed now. Just think about it, why fly a mom if the only real advantage is being able to field 20 fighters over 10, while paying 20-40x the price.
bulabuba Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2007.11.02 21:46:00 - [25] Said right in the description of the new heavy dictor that I read that it can't be remote repped inside its own bubble. Which makes it pretty lame IMO, and really only a threat to a MOM pilot with no support at all. If you're sitting out there ganking solo in what is supposed to be a large fleet ship, you deserve to die. ----------------------------------------------- Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. -DB Preacher[BoB]
dAn melax Beyond Divinity Inc Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:04:00 - [26] Originally by: bulabuba Said right in the description of the new heavy dictor that I read that it can't be remote repped inside its own bubble. Which makes it pretty lame IMO, and really only a threat to a MOM pilot with no support at all. If you're sitting out there ganking solo in what is supposed to be a large fleet ship, you deserve to die. even by the logistic drones? Play Hard. Go Pro.
Corwain Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:13:00 - [27] Originally by: SATAN If they dont have their bonus then what is the point of flying a MoM over a carrier? 2x the damage 2x the HP Better scan res, targetting Still can't be dampened, jammed, or webbed 5x the size of the hanger array ~2 more slots Awesome looking ship models What more could you want? Oh, that's right. Invincibility. --
Odda Gallente Northern Intelligence Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:18:00 - [28] Edited by: Odda on 02/11/2007 22:25:12 Moterships and supercaps needed a nerf in low sec! But they needed a buff in 0.0 This is definatly the wrong way to go, CCP fire half of your staf you dont need 300 pepole to find"new stufF" you just need 10 pepole to balance the game... And what about stoping to "nerf" things, instead boost other things :) ? Give them a bigger thank (they are to easy to kill nothing "epic" about it at all) Give moterships more dmg! only 2x more dmg then a 100mil ship(neutron megaw/drones t2 torp raven ++) Titans are now a 60bil isk brick in space, CCP make somthing cool with them! aka Boost them dont nerf them even more.
Wild Rho Amarr GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:21:00 - [29] The supercaps that have been lost since the changes have all died in situations where they SHOULD have died (fleet ops, organised traps or simply being caught with their pants down while flying a stupid setup - mining lasers? etc). It's a good thing of the new heavy dictor can pin down super caps in low sec space, they never should have been the "solopwnmobiles" that they were and will now require the pilot to use a bit more brain before committing to a fight (i.e. making sure you have some proper support in place). The supercaps now just need to be boosted in the support roles they seem more suited for than or direct combat (larger ship maintenance array etc). Leave the real fighting to the grunts (non super cap pilots).
bulabuba Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:26:00 - [30] Originally by: dAn melax Originally by: bulabuba Said right in the description of the new heavy dictor that I read that it can't be remote repped inside its own bubble. Which makes it pretty lame IMO, and really only a threat to a MOM pilot with no support at all. If you're sitting out there ganking solo in what is supposed to be a large fleet ship, you deserve to die. even by the logistic drones? When activated the warp disruption field generator prevents remote assistance, increases the signature radius of the ship and reduces the effectiveness of afterburners and microwarpdrives. I'd guess that logistic drones qualify as "remote assistance". If they work on release day, I'd expect that they won't for long. ----------------------------------------------- Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. -DB Preacher[BoB]

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