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duffmantt Dragonian Freelancers KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.06 15:50:00 - [1] Do the NH's bonuses work for HAMS or just heavy missles? i know ALL the cerbs bonuses work for hams and heavies. thanks Duff What we do in Eve, Echoes in eternity...
duffmantt Dragonian Freelancers KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.06 16:38:00 - [2] Comon People give me a hand here :P What we do in Eve, Echoes in eternity...
B00YAH Caldari Helios Incorporated	Posted - 2007.11.06 16:56:00 - [3] the NH's bonus works 4 HAM's but god luck trying 2 fit 6 HAM launcher and a decent tank
duffmantt Dragonian Freelancers KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.06 18:22:00 - [4] Quote: god luck trying 2 fit 6 HAM launcher and a decent tank woah woah there stallion, just intrigued as to where the bonuses work, deciding whether to bother training for hams thats all. What we do in Eve, Echoes in eternity...
J Valkor Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.11.06 18:26:00 - [5] The precision bonus has no effect.
Captain Schmungles Caldari Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.11.06 18:49:00 - [6] They work for HAMs, but as has been previously stated you will not be able to fit a full rack of HAMs and fill out all your mids and lows. Given that the nighthawk is anything but fast and agile, and that it gets a good rof bonus anyway, I'd say you should just fit heavies.
Arii Smith Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.11.06 18:49:00 - [7] Damage but not precision, as the poster above me stated.
Compendium	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:26:00 - [8] Nighthawk's best place is pve anyway, so heavy missiles should be used.
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:29:00 - [9] Originally by: J Valkor The precision bonus has no effect. Not correct. It applies to HAMs as well as heavies, and is the only precision bonus in the game that does so. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Gul Rashen Perkone	Posted - 2007.11.06 20:00:00 - [10] You are sure? I don`t know it exactly but description sounds not so. Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to assault missile, heavy assault missile and heavy missile launcher rate of fire and 5% bonus to all shield resistances per level Command Ships Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to heavy missile Kinetic damage and 5% bonus to heavy missile precision per level Originally by: B00YAH the NH's bonus works 4 HAM's but god luck trying 2 fit 6 HAM launcher and a decent tank And yes, it`s possible to fit 6 HAMs and a Tank, tried it a time ago, but the Range is to short and the 500m/s were to slow for me. It wasn`t funny so i went back to my Heavy Missile Fitting. My Fitting(PVE) was: High: 6 x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Med: Domination AB, Pithum A Med Booster, Pithum A EM-Amp, CN-Invul, Cn Boost Amp Low: DMG Control II, Domination Overdrive, 3 CN BCUs Rigs: 2 x CCC I Resis: EM:79.4% Therm:87,6% Kin:84,5% Expl:83,5% Speed: 515m/s Cap: enough to permarun Booster, Invul and AB.
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.06 20:12:00 - [11] Edited by: Wrayeth on 06/11/2007 20:14:43 Edited by: Wrayeth on 06/11/2007 20:12:42 Originally by: Gul Rashen You are sure? I don`t know it exactly but description sounds not so. Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to assault missile, heavy assault missile and heavy missile launcher rate of fire and 5% bonus to all shield resistances per level Command Ships Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to heavy missile Kinetic damage and 5% bonus to heavy missile precision per level 100% certain, since I fly a HAMhawk (insert "ham hoc" joke, here ). All of the nighthawk's missile bonuses definitely apply to HAMs. I've managed to string together a nighthawk setup with 77/86/88/90-ish resists and 600+ DPS using HAMs, though it has no tackling gear. By removing an invuln I can fit a scrambler, but the resists drop into the low-to-mid 80's. It also mounts a MWD and runs off a cap injector. P.S. EM resist will be higher once I finish training shield rigging 4 and can swap out to tech II EM rigs. P.P.S. Resists will also be higher when I get my hands on a second DG invuln field. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Gul Rashen Perkone	Posted - 2007.11.06 23:30:00 - [12] Yeah, You're right, tested it on Sisi. Bonus works for Heavies and HAMs.
duffmantt Dragonian Freelancers KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.07 10:01:00 - [13] awsome guys, thanks for the info and the little setup advice there from wrayeth. i think ill train for t2 HAMS, just didnt seem worth it if they were only usefull on one ship (cerb) What we do in Eve, Echoes in eternity...
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Hooligans Of War Insurgency	Posted - 2007.11.07 11:59:00 - [14] Bug report filed, either the bonus or the description is wrong. Jita fix: The distributed market hub
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.11.07 12:55:00 - [15] A dev (can't recall which one and where) already stated that the kinetic damage bonus IS applied to the HAMs too, it's just the description on the ship that needs an update. But Wrayeth, I am intrigued about your claim that the precision bonus works on HAMs too. Do you mean you get a HAM explosion radius of LESS than 125m on a NH ?!? Are you really, really sure ? _ 1\|2\|3
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.11.07 13:09:00 - [16] Edited by: Akita T on 07/11/2007 13:09:36 Whoa, he's RIGHT ! NH gets 100m explosion radius on HAMs at L4 command ship skill At least, a showinfo displayed value, wether it's an actual in-game value also that's another question. _ 1\|2\|3
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.11.07 13:25:00 - [17] Aye, it's a bug on display, you don't ACTUALLY get 100m explosion radius at L4 command ship, even if showinfo says you do. I had a friend who can fly NH shoot my "target practice" Scythe (105m sig radius) with terror HAMs, he was getting 106.8 damage on hull instead of the expected 133.56 (only L1 HAM, L3 warhead upgrades, L4 command ships). _ 1\|2\|3
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.07 14:22:00 - [18] Originally by: Akita T Aye, it's a bug on display, you don't ACTUALLY get 100m explosion radius at L4 command ship, even if showinfo says you do. I had a friend who can fly NH shoot my "target practice" Scythe (105m sig radius) with terror HAMs, he was getting 106.8 damage on hull instead of the expected 133.56 (only L1 HAM, L3 warhead upgrades, L4 command ships). I'm definitely going to have to do some testing on that one. The last time I tested it, the explosion radius bonus was definitely in effect. The true test will be shooting someone with a nighthawk's HAMs, then turning right around and trying HAMs from another ship. Unless the other ship is a caracal or cerberus, though, you'll have to use EM, thermal, or explosive HAMs since the kinetic damage bonus would otherwise throw it off. Sadly, I have to get ready for work and don't have time to test this myself atm. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.11.07 15:58:00 - [19] New test, an abandoned shuttle (25m sig) on its shields (60% exp resist). Nighthawk and Drake with fulmination (explosive) HAMs, one shows 100m, the other 125m explosion radius on showinfo, base damage 111.3 exp on both (44.52 after resist). With a 125m sig, you're expecting 8.904 damage (displayed 8.9), with 100m sig, you're expecting 11.13 damage (displayed 11.1). Drake shoots... 8.9 damage... looks perfectly normal... dock, back in NH... Nighthawk shoots... same 8.9 damage, not 11.1 as expected. No precision bonus for HAMs, sorry, just a display glitch. _ 1\|2\|3
Gul Rashen Perkone	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:35:00 - [20] Ok, good to know. I've only tested the Kin-Bonus, but sounds logic cause Precision works normaly only for guided Missiles. I don't understand why the Devs don't fix the description. Can't be so much work i think.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Hooligans Of War Insurgency	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Gul Rashen Ok, good to know. I've only tested the Kin-Bonus, but sounds logic cause Precision works normaly only for guided Missiles. I don't understand why the Devs don't fix the description. Can't be so much work i think. It's probably not much work to do but no work at all will be done unless they know about it, which they do now. Hello mashie, Thank you for your bugreport - ID45954 Title: Nighthawk Description error about precision bonus applied to HAM missiles. We were not aware of this problem, and have used your bugreport to create a new issue in our defect tracking system.
Tessikhet	Posted - 2007.11.07 23:02:00 - [22] Thanks for doing that testing. That's useful info.
duffmantt Dragonian Freelancers KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.08 10:06:00 - [23] Nice one guys, Akira, cheers m8 for the testing and thanks mashie for the bug report. silly old devs :S What we do in Eve, Echoes in eternity...

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