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Great Artista
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.07 15:35:00 -
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A.
Was this a trick question? _______
Do yuo liek stabbers? ◕◡◕
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Ormen Tuttle
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Posted - 2007.11.07 15:37:00 -
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If you attended fanfest, or watched the Saturday events on EVE TV, then you know the answer to this question--CCP really cares about the game and the community. Yes, the make difficult decisions and we sometimes disagree with them, but this doesn't mean they don't care. They are doing the best job that can, and frankly, what they have accomplished so far is so much better than any other MMO on the market that we really have no room to doubt their commitment to the game and the community.
Ormen Tuttle, Fanboy at Large
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Kastar
Memphis Technologies Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2007.11.07 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands
Originally by: Verone A
If they didn't give a toss, why would they bother setting up fanfests or flying equipment and people half way across the world to run an alliance tournament every 6 months?
$ $ $ $ $
$$$$ are not the point. That's just how the economy works. If you can provide a nice fest as they did, do stuff for the community and gain some money in the process, why not ?
Don't blame them, blame capitalism. If they do all the above it just shows they go all the way. One does not do that without "caring". -----------------------------------------------
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Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.11.07 15:38:00 -
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A. CCP clearly doesn't just want a quick lump sum of cash NOW (the EA Games approach), but likes money the next 5 years too (IOW, they are in it for the long haul). Keeping a product profitable beyond a few months requires keeping your customers happy so they have to care. |
Kastar
Memphis Technologies Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2007.11.07 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Edited by: Jakus Cemendur on 07/11/2007 13:27:12
Quote: You DID pay for it (back to that whole monthly subcription fee), but yes a graphic overhaul is a good sign. However, it has been brought to CCPs attention for quite some time now that a graphics overhaul was in extreme order. Some may even argue that it is "late" in terms with how long the game has been out.
True i did pay for it in my monthly fee, but other MMOs would have charged on top of that for a complete graphics engine overhaul, or even for expansions with CCP releases for free(not counting monthly fee). Plus, with all the expansions, graphics overhaul and general bug fixing and running the servers, things would take a while, i mean do people expect them to constantly churn out tons of new content when their resources will be divided between different things.
If CCP dared to try to charge for a content overview, they would lose a lot of their player base.
They are running a fine line with the players (what with various scandals in the past, overactive use of the nerf bat, unimaginative fresh content, and a general malaise and lack of direction in the gmae). Its only the addictivness of the game, in game ties, and the feeling of 'waste' that recyling your main character that keeps a lot of people playing.
This leaves them kind of stuck with the business model they have now.
SKUNK
That also describes each and every consumer product ever brought into existence. You can only go as far with imagination as the means allow, and what that concerns there are very few niches left to explore in Eve. They do a good work to keep putting stuff in, though I think everybode is waiting for a real groundbreaking development that rocks the fundaments, like eg an overall empire war that can be brought upon with Factional Warfare.
Time for an alien invasion anyone ?
Second, I wish people would stop complaining about the nerfbat. Honestly has it ever turned out bad ? And don't come whine to me... I'm Amarr Some things were fun (cruise kestrels and dual mwd ruptures) but honestly to God you can't be thinking they were good for the game. Same for Privateers... While it seemed a fun initiative for someone like me, watching from the distance rarely leaving lowsec, it was a bit over the top.
Same goes for every nerf I can remember... in the end nothing has turned out badly. The only thing I'm starting to get annoyed the crap by is the lack of space... With peak concurrent users nearing 40K Eve should really be twice the size it is now. It needs to be vast, take an insane amount of time to go somewhere. -----------------------------------------------
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Weeka
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.11.07 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Taz Devlin
A) Yes they do.
B) Nope, only about where to get the next beer from.
The next beer (quite literally) comes from A .. the thing is .. I think ccps members are in fact part of the community they care about.. try finding that somewhere else.
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2007.11.07 16:21:00 -
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I think ccp cares about its income.
->My Vids<- |
Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.07 16:53:00 -
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number of people whining < number of people not
all the math I need to prove CCP knows more than some of the asshat forum members
yeah A
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44 *EDIT* You know what, Tortun has this one under control...*
*Basks in the chaos of this thread |
Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:01:00 -
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The people who make decisions at CCP could get more money elsewhere if all they cared about was money. ----- "Why can't you just be friends?" -- Oveur |
Asestorian
Domination.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:25:00 -
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The original Dev's went several months without any pay at all when their funding ran out so they could complete the game. That's commitment there.
Ultimately they do need the money though. Of course they want to keep the ISK rolling in, otherwise they'd be living on the streets. Not to mention we wouldn't have a server to play on. But that said they do obviously care greatly about their game, and about the community that plays it. They have a 10 year plan or more, just because it provides cool stuff that they want to play.
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MOZO
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Neon Genesis
The Landed Gentry
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:50:00 -
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A
In my opinion, they care. However they arn't perfect and the lack of forum moderation at the moment is a huge letdown. I'm dissapointed.
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Eshezo
Old Buggers
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:54:00 -
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A -- without a doubt
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MITSUK0
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: MITSUK0 on 07/11/2007 17:56:40 The "it's cool to be emo about the MMO you play" craze is hitting eve.
Unless I just didnt notice it before, this **** is rampant over on WoW.
/o\
Edit: oh and also - Yes of course they care about the game, it makes them money, if they didnt care about it then they would have sold out/wow cloned a long time ago.
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Dave White
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:56:00 -
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A+.
Originally by: GM Tacgnol Oveur descended from the heavens (also known as the second floor) and beat us all with his nerfbat. |
Razor Jaxx
Minmatar Cosmic Odyssey
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:13:00 -
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It's all about balance.
CCP certainly cares about the community, but it's a business nonetheless, with bills to pay and paychecks to sign, so they won't jeopardize their revenue for the good of this or that individual within the community.
So it's both A & B.
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Shar'Tuk TheHated
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:23:00 -
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A
DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale!
THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES! |
agent apple
Applied Eugenics Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:24:00 -
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They have like all successful businesses gone from a single shop, first name basis local store to Walmart. Doesn't mean they don't care anymore, only that they have more peoples opinions to care for. Whether this is a good or bad thing is another question entirely.
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Nathomos
Minmatar An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:24:00 -
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A.
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Malarki X
Caldari Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:37:00 -
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A
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Mephistophilus
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Posted - 2007.11.07 19:06:00 -
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B for sure
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Blackend Sky
The Paratwa Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.11.07 19:40:00 -
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Would say A: If they would not care,none would buy their products any more...
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dursers
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Posted - 2007.11.07 19:49:00 -
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being one who's recently been boned by GMs for no reason, Im starting to lean towards B.
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said
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Posted - 2007.11.07 20:10:00 -
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Enough with the fanfest please.....
Holding a fanfest that only a tiny percentage of the playerbase can afford to reach each and every year is an insult to the word.
While personaly i could afford to reach it.... iv'e no intention of spending +100 a pounds a night on a hotel for 3 or 4 nights... paying the extreme costs involved in stoping in iceland food and beverage wise... not to mention the costs of airfair compared to flying elsewhere within europe.
Something over the region of 1000 pounds for 4 days away for just a fan gathering is just insane.. you have to be an eve nut to even consider it imho.... you can get a week or two away in the sun for that...
Do CCP's original reasons for holding it only in iceland still hold true?
That being that the small operation they had going were virtualy chained to their desks constantly involved in game development.
From everything they say and do now, that wouldn't appear to be the case....
So why no uk/american.. central european fanfest... where the fans actualy are.. and where they can gather.... hell going/traveling to america would be cheaper than iceland from here in the uk:/
That would be truely pushing it out for the fans if you're using that one as an example of saying that they do. ______
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.08 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Xtreem
Originally by: Verone A
If they didn't give a toss, why would they bother setting up fanfests or flying equipment and people half way across the world to run an alliance tournament every 6 months?
money?
You obviously don't even have the slightest grasp of how much time, and cost go into producing an alliance tournament, or the fanfest.
lots of effort, cost of fan fest ticket, bits sold ie mugs other tokens of eve, kick back from accom, happy players = more money its all the same thing mate.
you think i work so hard at work, planning all kinds of things so i can think wow i done all that, or the ú300 i get at the end of the day? you think they would do the fanfest if they made no money or good promotion out it? give me a break.
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sapanda1102222
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Posted - 2007.11.08 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Taz Devlin
Originally by: disgruntled Eve player This is a decision that could only be made by a corporation that honestly doesn't give a damn.
No seriously, that's what CCP thinks is important to this game
The above quote was taken from these here forums(names removed to protect the innocent) And I got curious, how many here share this players sentiments?
Very basic question: Do you think CCP cares about Eve and it's community?
A) Yes they do.
B) Nope, only about where to get the next beer from.
No they don't. The GMs take action before taking a look at the facts and when the facts are given to them and highlighted they ignore them thinking the problem will go away.
Mistakes only go away if you fix them CCP. Not if you ignore them and pretend they don't exist.
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Siresa Talesi
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Posted - 2007.11.08 21:20:00 -
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A because of B
Originally by: Val Vympel
Originally by: Alloures The armchair CEO is even better than the armchair psychologist.
(Val Vympel raises hand)
Armchair
Please correct me if I'm wrong...but...this comment seems to suggest that nobody here speaks from practical business experience.
For the first 38 years of my life I worked for my family business. My father groomed me to take over the business, and at the age of 18 due to my fathers ill health I did so. I was the sole owner/operator of this business with a top payroll of 129 employees for nearly 20 years. Due to a degenerative condition that has left me deaf,I was forced to sell the business. I sold the business with the strict legal stipulation that the business be operated under the same principals it has operated under for 3 generations. My family name and reputation are attached to that product and as long as I'm alive I wanted to insure that a group of eager young college business graduates(all theory,ZERO experience) don't go and try to reinvent the wheel and drag my family name through the mud.
Allot of PERSONAL sacrifice went into making that business profitable. When a management team either because of apathy or greed loses sight of that,the business will decline. Unless you operate a monopoly,you simply can't operate with indifference towards your customer base if you wish to stay in business long. No brainer right?...Well you can't tell that by the way many businesses are operated today.
As for the armchair....well technically you are correct,I'm in one right now. And proven business tactics,morals and ethics have allowed me to sit in this armchair playing EVE for as long as I like. As I'm semi-retired,hurt for nothing,and most important of all debt free
CCP would do well not to forget where they came from,what has made them successful and to whom they owe it all to: Themselves,their employees and their customers...in equal portion.
Sorry..for the longwind...feeling energetic this morning.
Cheers
Well said Sir.
Originally by: Asestorian The original Dev's went several months without any pay at all when their funding ran out so they could complete the game. That's commitment there.
That's par for the course in the computer game making world. If they give up and don't complete the game, then they never get paid for their work. There's the real commitment for you.
In my experience, the amount of caring an MMO company has for its subscribers can be measured by the level of communication. I'm not commenting one way or the other on CCP's communication levels, just ponder the thought for a few minutes.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.11.08 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Siresa Talesi
Originally by: Asestorian The original Dev's went several months without any pay at all when their funding ran out so they could complete the game. That's commitment there.
That's par for the course in the computer game making world. If they give up and don't complete the game, then they never get paid for their work. There's the real commitment for you.
In my experience, the amount of caring an MMO company has for its subscribers can be measured by the level of communication. I'm not commenting one way or the other on CCP's communication levels, just ponder the thought for a few minutes.
Its par for the course for any new 'entreuperneurial' business what so ever really.
Also I wonder how 'the power of two' fits into peoples fanboism.
A deliberate and calculated attempt to wring more cash out of the players by getting them dependant on alt using/ starting up more alts, then getting stuck with with them. Kind of like the dealer - offering 'free' samples of his new drug outside the school gates.
Also how does the overpriced commercialized garbage they flog in the EVE shop factor into devs caring about us. 50 quid for a poster? Whats the markup on that I wonder.
SKUNK
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