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Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:30:00 - [1] Who really cares about all the socialising in station crap? It would be much more interesting to have a scripting language and the ability to control up to 5 programmable droids so they can mine, haul or gatecamp for you (using any ships you have). Why is this so interesting? Because it'd take skill to program them effectively, they could be used in a variety of tasks to enhance your single-player or small corp playing experience. It would be a groundbreaking mechanism for enhancing the EVE universe, since it would be filled with robots that go about their work (not just the boring, largely ignored NPC convoys). Why is this not disruptive and overpowered? They'd always be less powerful / much more predictable than humans. Anyone could have them, so it's balanced. Sure, they could go earn ISK for you, but so can R&D agents, production etc. with varying degrees of effort/reward. Yes, most of you won't like it. But I don't like Ambulation and POS warfare either. ;-) "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:31:00 - [2] I support the need for droids Join The Fight With Promo Today
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:33:00 - [3] I would like to program my drones to hump your corpse after I pod you. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:36:00 - [4] Originally by: Tarminic I would like to program my drones to hump your corpse after I pod you. I'll do that, i'm known(in places) for my humping antics. For a price... My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:37:00 - [5] Edited by: Asestorian on 07/11/2007 16:41:01 Originally by: Lazuran Who really cares about all the socialising in station crap? Me? Lots of other people? Quote: It would be much more interesting to have a scripting language and the ability to control up to 5 programmable droids so they can mine, haul or gatecamp for you (using any ships you have). Yeah great. So because I don't have the time to learn how to program/script I get screwed over? Wonderful. Having programmable droids gives such a huge, huge advantage to those with the skills to program already it's not even funny. I doubt many people here are willing to learn a brand new skill just so that they can even compete in a game. It's all very well saying that scripting languages are great, and I'm sure they'd create a lot of cool opportunities, but they'd only create opportunities for people like you. That's not everyone. Therefore, it is overpowering and unfair. Whether you like Ambulation or not, at least you don't have to use it. Also, the entire point here is that you're supposed to have an advantage playing in a group, with everyone in the group working hard. You're not supposed to be able to go get really rich by programming something then going AFK. --- MOZO
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:39:00 - [6] Originally by: Lazuran Who really cares about all the socialising in station crap? I do? ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:42:00 - [7] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Lazuran Who really cares about all the socialising in station crap? I do? As do I. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:43:00 - [8] Edited by: Lazuran on 07/11/2007 16:43:36 Originally by: Asestorian Yeah great. So because I don't have the time to learn how to program/script I get screwed over? Wonderful. It takes skill to do it just like it takes skill to fit a ship. If you can't do it, ask, copy without looking at it, learn. Quote: It's all very well saying that scripting languages are great and all, and I'm sure they'd create a lot of cool opportunities, they'd only create opportunities for people like you. That's not everyone. Therefore, it is overpowering and unfair. Whether you like Ambulation or not, at least you don't have to use it. It really depends on the language. Some people might still remember LOGO. But those who don't want to learn can still just copy stuff from somewhere to get their hauling Droids etc. Quote: Also, the entire point here is that you're supposed to have an advantage playing in a group, with everyone in the group working hard. You're not supposed to be able to go get really rich by programming something then going AFK. It's too late, a lot of people have got filthy rich by winning T2 BPOs (yeah, I had to say it), others are just selling GTCs. I earn 250m/month just from R&D agents without any effort (i.e. 0, not near 0). Programmable Droids open a whole lot of other opportunities, they will make the EVE world much more lively even with the limited amount of RL time we can invest in it. And yeah, you'll have more time to do /hug /kiss in stations too when your mining Droids are out there, mining your Veldspar for you. "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:48:00 - [9] These aren't the droids you're looking for. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Xen Gin The Dragoons	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Rodj Blake These aren't the droids you're looking for. forum winnar!
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:54:00 - [11] Edited by: Asestorian on 07/11/2007 16:55:28 Originally by: Lazuran It takes skill to do it just like it takes skill to fit a ship. If you can't do it, ask, copy without looking at it, learn. But that's the point, I don't have time to learn how to script. I barely have enough time to learn the stuff I'm already supposed to be learning as it is. Quote: It really depends on the language. Some people might still remember LOGO. But those who don't want to learn can still just copy stuff from somewhere to get their hauling Droids etc. But why should I trust someone else's script? Ignoring potential exploits, how do I know that this persons script isn't subpar? Or more likely, I'm going to have to spend a great deal of time making lots of money in order to buy a quality script off someone else, just so I can make more money. Even worse, it will mean that as more and more people get scripts, they will make more money. Once they all have a lot of money you either need to be able to script yourself, or you're going to have to work even harder for even longer to get the money to buy the scripts. Why? Because everyone else has more money. This screws new players a lot. On the other hand the market could explode because of the sudden increase in minerals and loot. You know, the exact effect masses of macro miners, who are against the EULA and banned, have on the game. Quote: It's too late, a lot of people have got filthy rich by winning T2 BPOs (yeah, I had to say it), others are just selling GTCs. I earn 250m/month just from R&D agents without any effort (i.e. 0, not near 0). Programmable Droids open a whole lot of other opportunities, they will make the EVE world much more lively even with the limited amount of RL time we can invest in it. I don't think these are the same thing here. T2 BPO holders still have to manually buy/mine/make all the needed materials they need for production, then manually put them on the market and hope they sell. R&D agents make money because at the moment the market is like that. But you still need to go around to all your R&D agents and cash in your LPs, then manually move the datacores to the place you want to sell so you get the best price. I just can't see how programmable droids of any kind can benefit the entire playerbase. And don't bring Ambulation back into this either, because, as I've already said, you don't have to use it. With these you are pretty much forced to use them or you cannot compete. Edit: Whoops, missed the GTC thing. That is also completely different from the others. That's people spending real life money and trading it in for ingame money. It's essentially cheating, but at least someone else gets to play the game even if they couldn't afford to otherwise. --- MOZO
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:54:00 - [12] Originally by: Lazuran Edited by: Lazuran on 07/11/2007 16:43:36 Originally by: Asestorian Yeah great. So because I don't have the time to learn how to program/script I get screwed over? Wonderful. It takes skill to do it just like it takes skill to fit a ship. If you can't do it, ask, copy without looking at it, learn. Quote: It's all very well saying that scripting languages are great and all, and I'm sure they'd create a lot of cool opportunities, they'd only create opportunities for people like you. That's not everyone. Therefore, it is overpowering and unfair. Whether you like Ambulation or not, at least you don't have to use it. It really depends on the language. Some people might still remember LOGO. But those who don't want to learn can still just copy stuff from somewhere to get their hauling Droids etc. Quote: Also, the entire point here is that you're supposed to have an advantage playing in a group, with everyone in the group working hard. You're not supposed to be able to go get really rich by programming something then going AFK. It's too late, a lot of people have got filthy rich by winning T2 BPOs (yeah, I had to say it), others are just selling GTCs. I earn 250m/month just from R&D agents without any effort (i.e. 0, not near 0). Programmable Droids open a whole lot of other opportunities, they will make the EVE world much more lively even with the limited amount of RL time we can invest in it. And yeah, you'll have more time to do /hug /kiss in stations too when your mining Droids are out there, mining your Veldspar for you. I just don't think this is a very good idea. Drones are designed as a weapon system, not a means to automate tasks. All balance issues assigned, I don't think using drones to automate your actions is part of what CCP wants for this game. Though writing my own drone AI would be very cool... ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:56:00 - [13] YES! because CCP is looking for ways to increase macroing! has anyone mentions how utterly braindead this idea is yet? Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44 EDIT You know what, Tortun has this one under control...* *Basks in the chaos of this thread
Reverend Revelator Elite Storm Enterprises	Posted - 2007.11.07 17:09:00 - [14] You're an idiot -- Dead People Laugh At The Murder Of Love --
Big Al The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.11.07 17:13:00 - [15] Loot/salvage drones >>>>>>>>>> ambulation.
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:20:00 - [16] Originally by: Tarminic I would like to program my drones to hump your corpse after I pod you. I fully endorse this EVE comunity service. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:25:00 - [17] OMG!!! Why is it when ccp adds something as wonderfull as ambulation to EVE there are always people that whine that their needs weren't met and they should fix their problem first. Ambulation is gonna rock and i hope it's just the first step to true avatar interaction, actually i'm hoping eventually u are able to undock from ur ship and shoot other people with handguns BRING ON REV3 ALLREADY!!! CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:26:00 - [18] Originally by: 000Hunter000 actually i'm hoping eventually u are able to undock from ur ship and shoot other people with handguns Originally by: Oveur Why can't we all just get along? Or something like that anyway. --- MOZO
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:30:00 - [19] Originally by: Asestorian Originally by: 000Hunter000 actually i'm hoping eventually u are able to undock from ur ship and shoot other people with handguns Originally by: Oveur Why can't we all just get along? Or something like that anyway. hey if u don't like handguns, i wouldn't object to rpg's hell, wouldn't be so hard to implement the racial weapons, some sort of personal attackdrone and blasterrifles for gallente, rpg and railgun for caldari, ur standard guns for minmatar (what does it matter if u get shot by a laser or a bullet, the end result is still the same hehe ) and offcourse laserguns for Amarr. i definitly like the personal attackdrone idea hahahaaa CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:34:00 - [20] But obviously, as cool as it is, they can't do it. They explained why during the FanFest actually. It was something along the lines of this: You can't have a hugely rich and powerful supercapital pilot going for a drink at a bar, then be beaten to death by a n00b with a teaspoon. And they'd have to seriously change the backstory in order to accommodate clones outside of the pod. Either that or you'd have permanent death when outside it, which is what the backstory says now. Also it requires them to code a new game within the new game for the game. --- MOZO
Mazaron	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:36:00 - [21] Funny enough, I was discussing this with a friend earlier. It would be useful to have a freighter similar to the Jump Freighters, but with remote drones that could jump 2-4 systems away and trade on your behalf, each one would have say 100m3 of cargo space or so and can only be used in said freighter, which of course would have the jump drive replaced in order to have the control console for these drones.
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:47:00 - [22] Also: [flame] GTFO OUT OF EVE YOU STUPID BASTARDS. IF YOU WANT AUTOMATED SINGLE PLAYER GAMING PLAY X3 OR SOMETHING I HATE YOU DIE IN A FIRE YOU CLEARLY ARE LESS GOOD AT EVE THAN ME RAWRWARWARWAR [/flame] I'd like to point out that I don't actually mean that. Though really, you should play X¦ if you want to have sexy time... No, I mean automated traders and the like. EVE being an MMO means that you need to rely on other people to do things with/for you. I think so anyway. --- MOZO
KarGard	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:53:00 - [23] I'm pretty sure George Lucas owns the term "Droid" so you will have to call them something else.
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:56:00 - [24] Note that many tasks that CCP wanted (according to some of you anyway) other people to do for you, nowdays are done with multiple accounts (cynos, hauling, scouting, you name it). That isn't good. I believe that Droids would add very much to the game because space is simply too empty right now, the few NPC ships that go about their jobs predictably are boring and useless. Think about jumping to a 0.0 system and finding a long stream of Droid haulers for you to pop. Imagine funny can art built with programmed Droids. Droids anchoring POS structures in a predefined way, but not being able to react to hostile actions - why not? Is the point of EVE to do mind-numbingly boring and tedious stuff all day? Shouldn't we be able to do that more conveniently in a sci-fi setting? "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:00:00 - [25] Originally by: KarGard I'm pretty sure George Lucas owns the term "Droid" so you will have to call them something else. Indeed, he owns the trademark. So it'd be "android" or "robot" I guess... "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
Sarah McTeef	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:01:00 - [26] I can see it now We can call it The need for speed - Let everyone run random untrusted code on the cluster, because lag wasn't really a problem anyway initiative May need a catchier name. If you mean a client side scripting language, why not just let us write our own clients, oh yea because everyone hates macros.
Cptn Chaos Space Research and Development Phoenix Allianz	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:06:00 - [27] Originally by: Lazuran Why is this so interesting? Because it'd take skill to program them effectively, they could be used in a variety of tasks to enhance your single-player or small corp playing experience. It would be a groundbreaking mechanism for enhancing the EVE universe, since it would be filled with robots that go about their work (not just the boring, largely ignored NPC convoys). 1. sounds like you want to legalize bots lol 2. it wouldnt take skill as the average joe just needs to copy/paste some scripts from other sources so, no.
Cherybol Caldari Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:38:00 - [28] Originally by: Lazuran Who really cares about all the socialising in station crap? I do. In regards to programmable drones. No. Just take one look at Second Life and the LSL system, and you'll run in horror at such an idea.

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