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Hardin Amarr Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.07 22:44:00 - [1] There are so many inaccuracies in your 'report' Jasmine but I am not quite sure where to start. However for the sake of brevity I shall limit my comments to the section where you refer to the CVA: Originally by: Jasmine Constantine CVA Commissars deployed to KBP Complete and utter nonsense. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine During the latter stage of our ôhappy huntingö times against Sev3rance we received notification that the CVA themselves were erecting their own Control Tower in KBP system and were anchoring many guns and defensive systems around the core. I am afraid that you have your timeframes wrong. CVA did not construct a tower until AFTER we had already secured the system with conventional forces and AFTER the failed attempt to take down system defences. Your so-called 'happy-hunting' period has already ended when we constructed the tower. Just to be clear the construction of the tower was purely to serve as a logistical home to the numerous CVA pilots protecting the system. It never served any morale boosting role other than in your active imagination. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Hardin himself have transferred from his own corporation to take up executive ranks inside Sev3rance to signal a formal acknowledgement that this particular ôholderö entity had no chance of holding its border without full scale CVA military assistance and direct command of internal commissars to ensure loyalty to the Amarrian dictates in Providence. Oh my Jasmine you really should whip your spies harder as they really are making you look foolish now. A little bit of research would have revealed that I am known to be highly specialised in the highly technical art of 'POS Gunning'. Indeed I was recently blooded in the BoB siege of FSW when I served with Paxton (I recall no Commisar allegations at that time). At the outset of your assault on the POS in KBP sev3rance were somewhat short on active pilots with that capability. I offered - as I think most people would - to assist sev3rance in this field. I have no executive rank in sev3rance and a merely SERVING as a loyalist doing his bit against the enemies of Amarr. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine FuriousPig would become a deputy in his own alliance as Hardin laid down the law to his Sev3rance levies. No more laxity or independence for Sev3rance, now it was to be the Amarrian way of Governor Hardin or the laser pistol to the back the head if they continued to fail in their duties assigned as the KBP border guards. Amusing though this image is I can assure you that I have not been 'laying down the law' to my 'levies'. Some advice and opinion occasionally - for sure - but what ally would not help their friends. I know it is hard for you to understand but we in the CVA do not view sev3rance as pets, lackies, levies, cannon fodder or any such degrading term. We view them as steadfast allies who have been doing more than their fair share in the defence of Amarrian Providence and as such they were deserving of our help. ------------------------------ snip Don't discuss moderation. -Rauth
Hardin Amarr Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.07 22:46:00 - [2] Edited by: Hardin on 07/11/2007 22:46:37 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Soon we saw CVA vessels accompanying all Sev3rance movements, forcing them to camp gates again rather than just hold the Towers, we saw operational training û indoctrination, a direct imposition of CVA military rule and Commissar Hardin took up personal control of the Tower Weaponry while his sister Siobhan took up duties commanding the local military forces in an attempt to turn around the rapidly worsening military situation that Sev3rance had come to be experiencing in KBP. Again so many mistakes: CVA has not forced sev3rance to camp gates. That they have had the opportunity to do so is due to the fact that the balance of power has changed in KBP and has clearly swung back in favour of loyalist Amarrian forces. If sev3rance have learned lessons while CVA has been here assisting them then I am certainly pleased - but we have not gone out of our way to indoctrinate them. I would just like to correct another fallacy. My sister Siobhan has not taken up duties 'commanding' local forces. Siobhan is just one of many CVA commanders currently imposing Amarrian justice on your anarchic band and by no means 'commands' the effort. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine So a victory of sorts here, weÆd revealed that Sev3rance were certainly incapable of standing defensive duty on their own in upper Providence Yes a victory of sorts if you consider piling as many mercenaries as possible to do your dirty work for you. The fact is that the coalition lined up against sev3rance at the moment includes Ushra'khan - Dirty terrorists but war wise Star Fraction - Dirty anarchists but not that useless at combat Cruel Intentions - Dirty mercenaries but reputed to be the galaxies finest mercenaries Repo Industries - More dirty mercenaries - with a solid combat repuation Exuro Mortis - Skilled pilots looking for fights and a new home That is not an insignificant force to be throwing against one of CVA's smaller 'Holder' allies and yet you claim it is a victory that CVA have been forced to help them. Go right ahead if it makes you feel better. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine ...and through the many military successes in the two week period weÆd forced CVAÆs hand and made it commit all resources to propping up what was now a lame duck puppet regime without any of the pretensions of independence it had made at the beginning of hostilities. Well I am glad that you think that we have committed all our resources to KBP because I will love the look on your face if we ever do commit all our forces to one project. Yes CVA has taken a more active role defending KBP since the attack on the cynojammer but to claim that we have committed all our forces really does show you lack of understanding about this region. I am sorry if this is depressing news for you but this can be escalated a long way before either CVA, or our allies' resources are seriously challenged. ------------------------------ snip Don't discuss moderation. -Rauth
Hardin Amarr Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.07 22:52:00 - [3] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine While other ôdefectionsö are definitely tactical û with Sev3rance officers making no bones about their choice to outsource their supplies and industry to false-flagged ôneutralsö to defend them against Star Fraction rules of engagement. In either case what is certain is that Sev3rance activity levels are dropping and morale has begun to be impacted now it sinks in to their officers and members that this is not going to be a swift war won in a couple of pitched battles with CVA support. I would say that sev3rance morale has actually jumped susbtantially in the last week as enemy activity has been severely diminished. Enemy activity in KBP has declined dramatically over the past week. Your 'band of cloakers' has sat impotent as CVA an sev3rance forces have controlled the gates into the system almost constantly using your own 'cloaking' tactics against you. Your losses in KBP have been mounting significantly whilst your coalition has made no significant progress whatsoever. From constant gate camps and 10+ enemy pilots in system throughout the day your presence has declined to almost zero. As I write this enemy forces number three - out of a total of 31 in the system and this has been a relatively consistent number for the past five days. Not only have your numbers declined in KBP but we have also seen a decline in active enemies in the area surrounding Empire systems. Yes we have seen some increased 'roving band' activity but nothing of major significance or importance. Indeed CVA has SLAUGHTERED a number these roving gangs to the point that there is an internal CVA joke that Revan is trying to defeat us by burying us in the loot of our enemies. The fact is that if you are worrying about declining activity I would be pointing the searchlights on your own coalition. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine And for our part, following the disastrous losses in week two we have pulled back our own performance and learned from the mistakes to focus on areas where we can cause maximum disruption and pain to our enemies. The war is very much still in the balance but the pressure is beginning to show some fault line inside the Sev3rance machine and the true test of their capability will begin when the CVA can no longer afford to devote its full time and focus to maintaining the fortunes of these ailing ôholdersö. So what has this campaign achieved so far? 1) You have expanded CVA controlled space with the eviction of neutral Slammers 2) You have increased the unity and communication between the forces of law and order in Amarrian Providence 3) You have increased our resolve to protect Providence and continue our work to build an Amarrian paradise open for all law-abiding pilots to live in peace and harmony, free from the depradations of anarchists like you. If you consider that an achievement then you really should sign up to the Amarr cause. Amarr Victor ------------------------------ snip Don't discuss moderation. -Rauth
Grr Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.11.08 00:57:00 - [4] Excellent Hardin, you should edit every war diary they publish so we might get the facts. Perhaps Jasmine could recruit you as an editor? :) Epitoth Fleetyards is Recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.08 03:28:00 - [5] Edited by: Archbishop on 08/11/2007 03:33:51 Commissar Hardin in action in KBP... (Photo courtesy of Amira Silvermist - AM) The picture isn't mine but given the wild claims of your promotion to Commissar I couldn't resist publishing it... It warms my heart to see Sev3rence stand up to this band of pirates, mercenaries, terrorists and general misfits and hold the line. In recent travels the last few days down to Providence I have been very impressed by the Sev3rence military machine and it's capability in defense of their home. Given the anarchist admission they've been reduced to hunting random inexperienced young pilots in empire as a result proves the success of the Sev3rence and CVA defense. In fact just two days ago I couldn't help but notice a mini-fractionist gate camp operation in Sarum Prime. Obviously those random inexperienced young pilots were such a threat a force of multiple T2 laiden vessels was necessary overkill to ensure anarchist victory... Well done to Sev3rence and the CVA! Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS
Tar Kovsky Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.08 07:01:00 - [6] Oh dear; between this fine Gelfiven lager and Hardin's spin, I'm afraid I'm getting quite quite dizzy. Must... lie... down... --
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.08 08:15:00 - [7] An excellent summary of events, Hardin. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.11.08 13:11:00 - [8] good to see some straight forward information for once. Not that I am accepting this as fact, but i grow weary of the consistent and obvious scent of spin that all jasmine's posts leave. The Movement is recruiting!
Conlin Gallente Yiotul Fighters Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.08 16:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 07/11/2007 23:57:24 A response to Star Fraction propoganda in their recent war diary report authored by Jasmine Constantine There are so many inaccuracies in the recent Star Fraction report that I was not quite sure where to start. However for the sake of brevity I shall limit my comments to the final sections. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine CVA Commissars deployed to KBP Complete and utter nonsense. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine During the latter stage of our ôhappy huntingö times against Sev3rance we received notification that the CVA themselves were erecting their own Control Tower in KBP system and were anchoring many guns and defensive systems around the core. I am afraid that you have your timeframes wrong. CVA did not construct a tower until AFTER we had already secured the system with conventional forces and AFTER the failed attempt to take down system defences. Your so-called 'happy-hunting' period had already ended when we constructed the tower. Just to be clear the construction of the tower was purely to serve as a logistical home to the numerous CVA pilots protecting the system. It never served any morale boosting role other than in your active imagination. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Hardin himself have transferred from his own corporation to take up executive ranks inside Sev3rance to signal a formal acknowledgement that this particular ôholderö entity had no chance of holding its border without full scale CVA military assistance and direct command of internal commissars to ensure loyalty to the Amarrian dictates in Providence. Oh my Jasmine you really should whip your spies harder as they are making you look foolish now. A little bit of research would have revealed that I am known to be highly specialised in the the art of 'POS Gunning'. Indeed I was recently blooded in the BoB siege of FSW when I served with Paxton (I recall no Commissar allegations at that time). At the outset of your assault on the POS in KBP sev3rance were somewhat short on active pilots with that capability. I offered - as I think most people would - to assist sev3rance in this field. I have no executive rank in sev3rance and a merely SERVING as a loyalist doing his bit against the enemies of Amarr. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine FuriousPig would become a deputy in his own alliance as Hardin laid down the law to his Sev3rance levies. No more laxity or independence for Sev3rance, now it was to be the Amarrian way of Governor Hardin or the laser pistol to the back the head if they continued to fail in their duties assigned as the KBP border guards. Amusing though this image is I can assure you that I have not been 'laying down the law' to my 'levies'. Some advice and opinion occasionally - for sure - but what ally would not help their friends. I know it is hard for you to understand but we in the CVA do not view sev3rance as pets, lackies, levies, cannon fodder or any such degrading term. We view them as steadfast allies who have been doing more than their fair share in the defence of Amarrian Providence and as such they were deserving of our help. He has occassional flashes of silence which makes his spin perfectly delightful
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.11.08 18:42:00 - [10] I don't think hardin was dismissing the fact that the war diary clearly is based on some truth. Merely picking holes in the wilder assumptions made by star fraction intelligence officers and spys The Movement is recruiting!
Conlin Gallente Yiotul Fighters Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.08 19:57:00 - [11] Some folks are wise , and some are ...... otherwise !
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:12:00 - [12] You tell them, Hardin. ----------------------------------------------
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.09 00:52:00 - [13] Quote: Kehmour said: Good to see some straight forward information for once. Not that I am accepting this as fact, but i grow weary of the consistent and obvious scent of spin that all jasmine's posts leave. Agreed it is nice to see "fact without the fluff" and "news without the spin". I truly enjoyed Hardins factual account of the recent battles in Providence. Having spent more time there recently I can attest to his truthfulness. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS
Kalvor Azrael Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.09 04:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 07/11/2007 23:26:20 And look at the bigger picture - Here we have five of the galaxies most renowned alliances picking on an organisation which to be frank many neutrals have never even heard of yet is still in giving as good as it gets. Yes sev3rance may have lost some members but it has not lost its leaders, it has not lost its warriors and it has not lost its will to fight. sev3rance was forged in war as part of the anti-piracy forces in the Sukanen constellation and, unlike some of your previous targets, has a backbone. Hardin, As you and I both know, the war of public opinion is fought with many weapons, not the least of which is word choice. I find it interesting that you believe we are "picking on" Sev3rance. For the record, do you also believe that when Sev3rance assisted you in assaulting our POSs in the battle for Karishal's Defiance and the Siege of Unity, they were "picking on" us? I think not. Make no mistake, our motivation for fighting Sev3rance is not some child's game. They are not an innocent victim. Sev3rance brought this onto themselves, and now they are facing the consequences of their actions.
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.09 09:48:00 - [15] Edited by: zoolkhan on 09/11/2007 09:50:57 Originally by: Kalvor Azrael Make no mistake, our motivation for fighting Sev3rance is not some child's game. They are not an innocent victim. Sev3rance brought this onto themselves, and now they are facing the consequences of their actions. And should CVA protect these allies well enough, we will find another flank to bite in there is nothing CVA can do against it. Its relly pointless to argue details about how, and when with what action CVA steps in to protect their co-slaver-pets as long they do it at all. The more CVA-spindocs respond on that matter, the more they express concern. My sympathy goes to those who dont argue for the arguings sake. Slavery is wrong. There the church is back in the village. Nothin that Hard-In or Garreck says - will be able to make them look good before that evil Background
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.09 10:09:00 - [16] Originally by: Kalvor Azrael Hardin, As you and I both know, the war of public opinion is fought with many weapons, not the least of which is word choice. I find it interesting that you believe we are "picking on" Sev3rance. For the record, do you also believe that when Sev3rance assisted you in assaulting our POSs in the battle for Karishal's Defiance and the Siege of Unity, they were "picking on" us? I think not. Make no mistake, our motivation for fighting Sev3rance is not some child's game. They are not an innocent victim. Sev3rance brought this onto themselves, and now they are facing the consequences of their actions. I guess that if you read the post desiring to find faults in Hardin, you may have a point in saying that he is spinning his tale by saying you "pick on" Severance. Another way of reading the post is to say that when 5 renowned PvP organisations target a relative newcomer with a serious industrial angle the words "pick on" indicates that you seriously outclass Severance. In fact, if you read the post that way, Hardin's words is actually a praise for the abilities of your organisation. Of course, the fact that Severance is able to withstand the onslaught also speaks volumes about them. I think we both know that CVA harbor a deep respect for the PvP capabilities of such organisations as U'K. After all, we didn't simply stroll in to take over Deliverance Remclaimed in order to unify Providence. It took all our pooled resources to overcome the resistance from U'K. Remembering that respect we harbor for you, don't you think that maybe saying that you "pick on" Severance is more justified? I can't speak for Hardin but I know his choice of words would also be mine in this respect. However, you are quite right in one repsect. Settling in the regions outside CONCORD's juristiction means that we have to fend for oursleves. U'K made that choice when they settled in Providence and Severance has chosen to do the same. The difference is that while Severance dwell here under the benevolent rule of GOD, U'K dwelt here in defiance of all that is holy. I think the consequences of the choices made are clear when we view who is still making their homes here in Providence. Q: How many Amarr does it take to change a light bulb? A: None, we have Minnies to do the menial chores.
Kade Jeekin Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.09 10:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus ...Of course, the fact that Severance is able to withstand the onslaught also speaks volumes about them... Severance's ability to hold is soley due to new POS technologies. Cyno-jammers, System Scanners and camp-avoiding Jump Bridges direct to CVA central. Once these are adapted to, Severance systems will fall. There is nothing special about the corp. They are not 'hard' or even worthy of any special respect. They are nothing without CVA. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.09 12:30:00 - [18] Originally by: Kade Jeekin Severance's ability to hold is soley due to new POS technologies. Cyno-jammers, System Scanners and camp-avoiding Jump Bridges direct to CVA central. Once these are adapted to, Severance systems will fall. There is nothing special about the corp. They are not 'hard' or even worthy of any special respect. They are nothing without CVA. So we are back to the first two rules of the providence war aren't we? 1) CVA are a bunch of incompetents that can't exist in Providence without having their pets do the fighting for them. 2) The CVA pets are a bunch of incompetents that can't exist in Providence without having CVA do the fighting for them. I have seen these lines so often by now that they're getting rather tiresome. The fact remain that Severance are capabale of holding their space in Providence aganist a deliberate attack. You haven't been able to find a way to overcome their defenses. Severance still defend their space. A lot of organisations worthy of a lot of respect have previously failed to do just that which Severance still do. Do you wish for me to start mentioning names? Or let me phrase it in another way: If Severance was indeed as worthless as you seem to think, it would follow that you would gain no glory should you succeed in defeating them. It would follow that you are in fact rather incompetent for not being able to simply flatten them in an instant. "Credit where it is due" is a noble quote I have heard from several U'K members. U'K deserve it's share of credit - as does Severance. Q: How many Amarr does it take to change a light bulb? A: None, we have Minnies to do the menial chores.
Keorythe Caldari Terra Rosa Militia Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.09 14:40:00 - [19] Originally by: Kade Jeekin There is nothing special about the corp. They are not 'hard' or even worthy of any special respect. They are nothing without CVA. Ouchies, so are you saying that you're willing to make all your buddies go away and do this one on one? Sorry guys but we aren't the only ones here who have had to rely on other corps and alliances (or mercenaries for that matter). We've known that we would have to fight off pirate incursions or bitter ex-residents for a while. But since -7- has been heavy on the industrial side and light on the pvp side it started out pretty tough. However, we've been learning these past months and building up our pvp core. More and more -7- gangs have been going out and stomping on whatever comes out. Although lately we've mostly been having to deal with your cloaking antics. I'm still trying to understand the POS/cloaking relationship here but I guess someone needed a justification. The longer we're here the stronger we get. This war has been good for us. We get to cut loose that extra chafe and find out really who are our core players.
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.09 14:50:00 - [20] Edited by: zoolkhan on 09/11/2007 14:52:57 no sev posts w/o mentioning cloak tactics here is the deal, remove the jammer, system scanner, jump bridges and we come in in uncloaked dreads. - i would not have mentioned respect, i think everybody deserves respect who tries to make a living in 0.0. however, you lost a lot of it due to the whining about cloaks. while sitting in carriers next to the shields. your strategy keeps you alive (so far) - allow us to stay alive too, thanks.
Conlin Gallente Yiotul Fighters Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.09 15:21:00 - [21] Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 07/11/2007 23:57:24 A response to Star Fraction propoganda in their recent war diary report authored by Jasmine Constantine There are so many inaccuracies in the recent Star Fraction report that I was not quite sure where to start. However for the sake of brevity I shall limit my comments to the final sections. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine CVA Commissars deployed to KBP Complete and utter nonsense. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine During the latter stage of our ôhappy huntingö times against Sev3rance we received notification that the CVA themselves were erecting their own Control Tower in KBP system and were anchoring many guns and defensive systems around the core. I am afraid that you have your timeframes wrong. CVA did not construct a tower until AFTER we had already secured the system with conventional forces and AFTER the failed attempt to take down system defences. Your so-called 'happy-hunting' period had already ended when we constructed the tower. Just to be clear the construction of the tower was purely to serve as a logistical home to the numerous CVA pilots protecting the system. It never served any morale boosting role other than in your active imagination. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Hardin himself have transferred from his own corporation to take up executive ranks inside Sev3rance to signal a formal acknowledgement that this particular ôholderö entity had no chance of holding its border without full scale CVA military assistance and direct command of internal commissars to ensure loyalty to the Amarrian dictates in Providence. Oh my Jasmine you really should whip your spies harder as they are making you look foolish now. A little bit of research would have revealed that I am known to be highly specialised in the the art of 'POS Gunning'. Indeed I was recently blooded in the BoB siege of FSW when I served with Paxton (I recall no Commissar allegations at that time). At the outset of your assault on the POS in KBP sev3rance were somewhat short on active pilots with that capability. I offered - as I think most people would - to assist sev3rance in this field. I have no executive rank in sev3rance and a merely SERVING as a loyalist doing his bit against the enemies of Amarr. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine FuriousPig would become a deputy in his own alliance as Hardin laid down the law to his Sev3rance levies. No more laxity or independence for Sev3rance, now it was to be the Amarrian way of Governor Hardin or the laser pistol to the back the head if they continued to fail in their duties assigned as the KBP border guards. Amusing though this image is I can assure you that I have not been 'laying down the law' to my 'levies'. Some advice and opinion occasionally - for sure - but what ally would not help their friends. I know it is hard for you to understand but we in the CVA do not view sev3rance as pets, lackies, levies, cannon fodder or any such degrading term. We view them as steadfast allies who have been doing more than their fair share in the defence of Amarrian Providence and as such they were deserving of our help. There was a time when CVA were on there knees , close to crumbling when U'K decided to back off . All this before Unity fell . We lost Unity and sov in providence but grow stronger day by day ,our only fault being we never finished you when we had the chance . I doubt next time we will make that same mistake twice . Severance bleat about a right to be in providence , they fought long and hard for it something that which belongs to them ?. Those words were chosenly unwisely and it will be there downfall , they fed off the scraps of cva when U'K lost providence and we will help on the road to scrap . Providence is a barren waste of its former self ,no amount of spin can deny that fact .
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.09 15:28:00 - [22] Lost somewhere in the shuffle of "slavery is evil" is the balanced perspective that "terrorism is evil." Severence are not CVA allies by accident. Ushra'Khan has long since run terror raids into Providence (even before giving it the much discussed "Burn Providence" monicker) and shot at any targets they find operating peacefully in Providence, Domain, Tash-Murkon, or any region associated with the Amarr Empire where U'K pilots could justify firing on neutrals. You chased many fence-sitters into the CVA camp, and we thank you...but to point the finger at Severence and say "they are not the innocent ones, they sided with slavers" is mindblowingly hypocritical in the face of the Ushra'Khan extremism that put them where they are. Your blind hatred of the CVA married to your general refusal to actually engage CVA targets on any scale has created this situation. Surely it makes for good "Burn Providence" propeganda to quote numbers of hapless neutrals killed in Providence...but you stack the numbers against yourself every day with your own actions and then cry foul that organizations would side with the hated "slavers."
Kade Jeekin Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.09 16:06:00 - [23] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus 1) CVA are a bunch of incompetents that can't exist in Providence without having their pets do the fighting for them. 2) The CVA pets are a bunch of incompetents that can't exist in Providence without having CVA do the fighting for them. Octavinus Augustus, you have an odd interpretation of what I said. I will respond to this once. Don't create straw-men out of my arguments. I, personally, accept that CVA has a large fighting force, now fully entrenched, some of it's pilots are competent. It will take a lot of effort and commitment to dislodge CVA from the whole of Providence. Severance is only still in Providence because the rules of POS/System warfare are being rewritten. Even with CVA help it would not have, and, in time, will not survive. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Koshmarnaya Akula Ebon Seraph	Posted - 2007.11.09 16:46:00 - [24] The cycle keeps going over and over and over.
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.09 17:07:00 - [25] Edited by: Solusar on 09/11/2007 17:08:29 Originally by: zoolkhan Edited by: zoolkhan on 09/11/2007 14:52:57 no sev posts w/o mentioning cloak tactics here is the deal, remove the jammer, system scanner, jump bridges and we come in in uncloaked dreads. The Jammer was off-line for several hours last week, where were those dreadnoughts you speak about? Lets not kid ourselves into thinking that Dreadnoughts will be deployed while a CVA battle fleet is nearby. It is called Fear, it is understandable. There are many Severence systems without Cyno jamming equipment, what is your excuse for those systems not being attacked?
Ikar Kaltin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.09 17:55:00 - [26] Originally by: Conlin There was a time when CVA were on there knees , close to crumbling when U'K decided to back off . All this before Unity fell . We lost Unity and sov in providence but grow stronger day by day ,our only fault being we never finished you when we had the chance . I doubt next time we will make that same mistake twice . Severance bleat about a right to be in providence , they fought long and hard for it something that which belongs to them ?. Those words were chosenly unwisely and it will be there downfall , they fed off the scraps of cva when U'K lost providence and we will help on the road to scrap . Providence is a barren waste of its former self ,no amount of spin can deny that fact . It looks like a certain terrorist needs a history lesson. CVA were never "on our knees" as you say, the closest this happened is when a small uk force came to camp Inflatable House and we told them we didnt have time for them as we were engaged in a major fight in the next system over. However I can easily turn it around to point to times When we decided to let you fight your battles you were struggling with without our interfence, out of mercy but we shouldnt really go into that should we. Severence (in the form of Iron Pig) have been in Providence a long time, since well before the seige of Karishals Folly, and Ushrakhan pilots back then engaged them without reservation as Slaver sympathisers.....and yet when they appeared in the seige you all cried foul. -7- Have been true to their ideals from the beginning, they have treated their friends appropriatly and they help out for the greater good, much more than any terrorist ever did. Now before you start talking about things well before your time with your "freedom fighters" learn your history before spouting off you cur. Ushrakhan have lost their ideals which made them even semi-respectable, but their biggest fault is one they have yet to lose, which is what will be your undoing and destruction. What is most amusing is that you cant even see what your problem is. Did you not even find it slightly odd that you are fighting alongside slavers these days? Or that for ones focused so much on destroying slavery and proclaiming at such length that CVA does not represent the Empire anymore that you are very focused on us and our friends.....Think about it. Ikar
Keorythe Caldari Terra Rosa Militia Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.09 18:08:00 - [27] Originally by: zoolkhan here is the deal, remove the jammer, system scanner, jump bridges and we come in in uncloaked dreads. All of those modules were brought down the last time you tried. You had a decent window and could have jumped in an entire fleet. Unlike the old days when you had to go full siege while worrying about every module you can now take out those modules. Every other corp/alliance has figured out how to handle this. If you're going to bring in dreads you're still going to have to be able to handle a response while carrying out an old fashioned multi-hour siege. You had your chance and you blew it. This isn't about S3verance. This is about all of Providence. You will not win.
Conlin Gallente Yiotul Fighters Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.09 18:31:00 - [28] Originally by: Ikar Kaltin Originally by: Conlin There was a time when CVA were on there knees , close to crumbling when U'K decided to back off . All this before Unity fell . We lost Unity and sov in providence but grow stronger day by day ,our only fault being we never finished you when we had the chance . I doubt next time we will make that same mistake twice . Severance bleat about a right to be in providence , they fought long and hard for it something that which belongs to them ?. Those words were chosenly unwisely and it will be there downfall , they fed off the scraps of cva when U'K lost providence and we will help on the road to scrap . Providence is a barren waste of its former self ,no amount of spin can deny that fact . It looks like a certain terrorist needs a history lesson. CVA were never "on our knees" as you say, the closest this happened is when a small uk force came to camp Inflatable House and we told them we didnt have time for them as we were engaged in a major fight in the next system over. However I can easily turn it around to point to times When we decided to let you fight your battles you were struggling with without our interfence, out of mercy but we shouldnt really go into that should we. Severence (in the form of Iron Pig) have been in Providence a long time, since well before the seige of Karishals Folly, and Ushrakhan pilots back then engaged them without reservation as Slaver sympathisers.....and yet when they appeared in the seige you all cried foul. -7- Have been true to their ideals from the beginning, they have treated their friends appropriatly and they help out for the greater good, much more than any terrorist ever did. Now before you start talking about things well before your time with your "freedom fighters" learn your history before spouting off you cur. Ushrakhan have lost their ideals which made them even semi-respectable, but their biggest fault is one they have yet to lose, which is what will be your undoing and destruction. What is most amusing is that you cant even see what your problem is. Did you not even find it slightly odd that you are fighting alongside slavers these days? Or that for ones focused so much on destroying slavery and proclaiming at such length that CVA does not represent the Empire anymore that you are very focused on us and our friends.....Think about it. Ikar I sense your bitterness slaver , you have a lot to learn when it involves truth . You say terrorist I say Freedom Fighter . Dont base your half truths on your great loss last night Degenerate and base art thou .
Ikar Kaltin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.09 19:22:00 - [29] My great loss? Losing a sansha hunting ship due to my own negligence in reading reports at the same time? I assure you, losses due to myself do not phase me. And half truths? I see you didnt actually read/understand what I said (After all, you are but an uneducated Matar, I expect no better), but before you speak over intergalactic coms please take a history lesson.
Conlin Gallente Yiotul Fighters Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.09 19:39:00 - [30] Originally by: Ikar Kaltin My great loss? Losing a sansha hunting ship due to my own negligence in reading reports at the same time? I assure you, losses due to myself do not phase me. And half truths? I see you didnt actually read/understand what I said (After all, you are but an uneducated Matar, I expect no better), but before you speak over intergalactic coms please take a history lesson. Good excuse , but alas I,m gallente , damn I hope you dont use the same intel for your historical facts or you,d look really stupid right now wouldnt ya Your short comings are self evident : I wont point them out to you .

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