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Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.12 20:37:00 - [61] Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Pitt Bull CCP is behind the ISK selling, and if not, they are terrible at enforcing their own EULA... CCP probably gets half their subscription income from the farmers. The farmers are making more money than the employees at CCP Got a link? I stopped counting when I passed 30,000 farmers documented. That was a year ago, and no it does not account for banned accounts. At the rate that accounts are banned, if 5,000 of those in my notes were banned - that would be an astonishing number to me. There are some 450,000 accounts (give or take) How many are REAL people? Think that one over...
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.12 20:37:00 - [62] /signed. - - Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345
Arvald Caldari Tutela Of Obscurum	Posted - 2007.11.12 20:51:00 - [63] / signed i think im gona head over to macrointel when i get home, my noobs need some lessons in ore theaving --------------------------- Im in your forums derailing your threads
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.12 21:18:00 - [64] Originally by: Loyal Servant Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Pitt Bull CCP is behind the ISK selling, and if not, they are terrible at enforcing their own EULA... CCP probably gets half their subscription income from the farmers. The farmers are making more money than the employees at CCP Got a link? I stopped counting when I passed 30,000 farmers documented. That was a year ago, and no it does not account for banned accounts. At the rate that accounts are banned, if 5,000 of those in my notes were banned - that would be an astonishing number to me. There are some 450,000 accounts (give or take) How many are REAL people? Think that one over... Like to know which criteria one has to fullfill to count as a farmer to you. I started to count 6 months before you did and I don't have any proof of anyone being a farmer. Think that one over...
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.12 22:01:00 - [65] Originally by: Cpt Fina Like to know which criteria one has to fullfill to count as a farmer to you. I started to count 6 months before you did and I don't have any proof of anyone being a farmer. Think that one over... I love this guy! CCP fanboy in an epic farmer thread You sir, never saw a farmer in eve? YOU FAIL.
Mikelio Raijan Sulithus	Posted - 2007.11.12 22:16:00 - [66] Edited by: Mikelio Raijan on 12/11/2007 22:16:32 Originally by: Loyal Servant Originally by: Cpt Fina Like to know which criteria one has to fullfill to count as a farmer to you. I started to count 6 months before you did and I don't have any proof of anyone being a farmer. Think that one over... I love this guy! CCP fanboy in an epic farmer thread You sir, never saw a farmer in eve? YOU FAIL. I highlighted the pieces you may want to read. Now read it again. And again. Now think before posting 'YOU FAIL.' in caps without understanding what you are replying to.
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.12 22:17:00 - [67] Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Loyal Servant Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Pitt Bull CCP is behind the ISK selling, and if not, they are terrible at enforcing their own EULA... CCP probably gets half their subscription income from the farmers. The farmers are making more money than the employees at CCP Got a link? I stopped counting when I passed 30,000 farmers documented. That was a year ago, and no it does not account for banned accounts. At the rate that accounts are banned, if 5,000 of those in my notes were banned - that would be an astonishing number to me. There are some 450,000 accounts (give or take) How many are REAL people? Think that one over... Like to know which criteria one has to fullfill to count as a farmer to you. I started to count 6 months before you did and I don't have any proof of anyone being a farmer. Think that one over... Well I am damn glad CCP are not relying on you. Even CCP have managed to ban some. - - Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.12 22:30:00 - [68] Edited by: Cpt Fina on 12/11/2007 22:30:58 Originally by: Omega Man Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Loyal Servant Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Pitt Bull CCP is behind the ISK selling, and if not, they are terrible at enforcing their own EULA... CCP probably gets half their subscription income from the farmers. The farmers are making more money than the employees at CCP Got a link? I stopped counting when I passed 30,000 farmers documented. That was a year ago, and no it does not account for banned accounts. At the rate that accounts are banned, if 5,000 of those in my notes were banned - that would be an astonishing number to me. There are some 450,000 accounts (give or take) How many are REAL people? Think that one over... Like to know which criteria one has to fullfill to count as a farmer to you. I started to count 6 months before you did and I don't have any proof of anyone being a farmer. Think that one over... Well I am damn glad CCP are not relying on you. Even CCP have managed to ban some. Even CCP managed? I'm sorry that I didn't realize that even CCP with their inferior methods of collecting data and intel from the database compared to the common customer in any way can efffectively identify farmers or justify bans on their accounts.
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.12 22:57:00 - [69] Originally by: Cpt Fina Loyal Servant: See Mikelio Raijan's post. Even proof is not enough for a fanboy. Look at other posts where I have posted proof. I guess that all of us that hunt farmers in eve in our spare time are just fabricating this? Instead of giving me a hard time why don't you go look in your nearest empire ice field or random 0.0 system, or have a look at some contracts... follow the isk like the rest of us instead of telling us we are wrong. Prove me wrong... Prove us all wrong.
Karra Dresden	Posted - 2007.11.12 23:07:00 - [70] Originally by: voogru Originally by: Loyal Servant Originally by: Verx Interis I just single handedly added about 60 or 70 to that number... And my fingers hurt... TBH guys, it's not about inflating a number. I spend a TON of time, as does Voogru and others that hunt farmers. CCP needs to acknowledge this is an issue and try to help us help them stop it. If they see some really huge number because someone hit reload 50 times it means zip... if they see 10,000 people on the forums with this sig it starts to make them think about it. CCP, reads the forum. If they start seeing a lot of players with the same signature, pilotly asking CCP to become more pro-active against the ISK Sellers/ISK Farmers/ISK Buyers, I'm thinking they may be more inclined to do something about it. It'll be kind of cool when CCP opens a thread, and everyone has the same signature that says the same thing. The statistic on it is just an add-on to that message. Rather than make a bunch of whine threads about farmers that clutter the forum, the idea is to make every post a player makes, a little reminder, that the ISK Sellers & ISK Farmers, need to start getting properly dealt with. The devs might be scared of ISK Farmer/Seller threads and probably don't view them as much as other threads. So, by using this as a sig, your forcing them to see problems that need to be fixed, even when they go open a thread that's talking about something completely different. CCP is a business and is aware of their monthly income. As such they realize that a total *****down were it possible (its not) would cost them potentially millions of dollars. Though, I'd guess after reading enough of your posts, Voogru, you probably think that you are more important to CCP than their bottom line. -Karlemgne (aka a person who actually has made MMOs for a living and knows wtf he's talking about unlike some others who spam the forums with "I hate isk seller/buyer" threads)
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.12 23:17:00 - [71] CCP can change the EULA anytime they like. Till that time voogru is simply asking CCP to enforce their own rules. - - Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.12 23:24:00 - [72] Edited by: Cpt Fina on 12/11/2007 23:25:22 Originally by: Loyal Servant Originally by: Cpt Fina Loyal Servant: See Mikelio Raijan's post. Even proof is not enough for a fanboy. Look at other posts where I have posted proof. In case I claim that there are 0 farmers in Eve we've both posted equally reliable statistics. Originally by: Loyal Servant I guess that all of us that hunt farmers in eve in our spare time are just fabricating this? Did I say that? Or am I merely questioning whether your methods are reliable or not? Originally by: Loyal Servant Instead of giving me a hard time... follow the isk like the rest of us instead of telling us we are wrong. Please link or quote me where I claim that you are wrong. You thought you could quote me asking for solid proof, post some numbers without any backup with the apparent intention to provide said proof or convince me without me being suspicious? Are you still clinging on to your original numbers and are you able to provide any solid verification or are you going to let Pitt Bull defend his statement? Originally by: Loyal Servant Prove me wrong... Prove us all wrong. Why would I? I havenÆt disagreed with anything in this thread except that I donÆt feel hatred towards Isk-buyers. I have merely asked for verification of a post that contained accusations towards CCP without anything to back it up. ItÆs hard discussing with you when you donÆt seem to manage to understand what IÆm posting, able to refrain from personal insults nor distinguish suitable proof from personal experience.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.12 23:37:00 - [73] Originally by: Omega Man CCP can change the EULA anytime they like. Till that time voogru is simply asking CCP to enforce their own rules. Was that an answer to my post? If so then I'm not sure how it is relevant to what I wrote. You mean that they can change the EULA so it includes guidelines to how we, as players, are to identify isk-farmers? Please elaborate
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.13 01:04:00 - [74] Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Omega Man CCP can change the EULA anytime they like. Till that time voogru is simply asking CCP to enforce their own rules. Was that an answer to my post? If so then I'm not sure how it is relevant to what I wrote. You mean that they can change the EULA so it includes guidelines to how we, as players, are to identify isk-farmers? Please elaborate Only a matter of time before people start chiming in asking for us to prove these guys are farmers. Why would CCP state in another thread they are, and claim to ban them - yet they show in my address book. That thread was named 'Large scale criminal activity' Add some of those to your address book, and then ask me why they are still logging in... banned? I did not say it, a CCP representative did.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.13 01:21:00 - [75] Edited by: Cpt Fina on 13/11/2007 01:21:56 Are you going to reply to my answer or not? Originally by: Loyal Servant Why would CCP state in another thread they are, and claim to ban them - yet they show in my address book. Have no idea. Ask CCP, I haven't expressed myself in this matter in this thread. Why do you bring it up? Originally by: Loyal Servant That thread was named 'Large scale criminal activity' Add some of those to your address book, and then ask me why they are still logging in... banned? Have no idea. Ask CCP, I haven't expressed myself in this matter in this thread. Why do you bring it up? Originally by: Loyal Servant I did not say it, a CCP representative did. Say what? Are you aware that you are quoting me as I reply to another player, not you?
Komen Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.11.13 02:07:00 - [76] Originally by: Ess Erbe As a newer player that spends a lot of time in highsec and is still in a newbie corp, I get spammed to death by ISK sellers. I approve of this signature! I have a solution to isk selling spam. I set the fee for anyone not in my address book to 100K isk per mail/convo. I have since not received one single spam eve-mail. It's beautiful, and I encourage anyone being spammed by isk-sellers to do as I have done. ___________________________________ Wielder of the Trout of Doom(tm)! ___________________________________ Redo the Domi hull for Trinity 2. Scrap the upside down shoe! Do it!
Durisis	Posted - 2007.11.13 08:21:00 - [77] Originally by: Komen Originally by: Ess Erbe As a newer player that spends a lot of time in highsec and is still in a newbie corp, I get spammed to death by ISK sellers. I approve of this signature! I have a solution to isk selling spam. I set the fee for anyone not in my address book to 100K isk per mail/convo. I have since not received one single spam eve-mail. It's beautiful, and I encourage anyone being spammed by isk-sellers to do as I have done. what?? using the anti-spam utility as it is intended? what outrageously preposterous lies!!
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.11.15 05:26:00 - [78] ^ Hate Farmers? Click Here
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.15 22:14:00 - [79] even on Slashdot..... They talk about isk farmers in eve.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.11.17 00:19:00 - [80] ^ Hate Farmers? Click Here
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.11.17 00:53:00 - [81] I hates meeses to pieces!!!! Join Macrointel!
Pitt Bull Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.17 01:15:00 - [82] Originally by: Durisis Originally by: Komen Originally by: Ess Erbe As a newer player that spends a lot of time in highsec and is still in a newbie corp, I get spammed to death by ISK sellers. I approve of this signature! I have a solution to isk selling spam. I set the fee for anyone not in my address book to 100K isk per mail/convo. I have since not received one single spam eve-mail. It's beautiful, and I encourage anyone being spammed by isk-sellers to do as I have done. what?? using the anti-spam utility as it is intended? what outrageously preposterous lies!! The people who get spammed most often are in the Rookie Help channel and I doubt many of them know about that feature (I didn't until now.) Even if they did, it would restrict new players from making contact with corps, other players, etc. I think the most likely buyer of ISK is a person who just joined the game within the past year (100M ISK seems like a whole lot more when you're new to the game.) I'm sure many vets are also relying on ISK farmers, too, but they don't need to be advertised to anymore because they found the place to buy ISK when they were in the Rookie Help channel... I wouldn't even be the slightest bit surprised if gankers buy 100M ISK, buy a new ship and then double up their ISK by camping in Jita for half an hour or so until a 1B cargo transport shows up... ISK farming affects the economy, player action, corp status, hell everything gets messed up because of it.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.11.18 21:02:00 - [83] 320k! Hate Farmers? Click Here
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.11.24 04:27:00 - [84] 500k Hate Farmers? Click Here
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.24 05:14:00 - [85] There was a new board flood yesterday morning, Voogru. Nice to know CCP's taking direct and decisive action. The three major measurements of power in this game are money, time, and connections. Now, two can be easily bought.
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.24 05:51:00 - [86] Originally by: Amarria Black There was a new board flood yesterday morning, Voogru. Nice to know CCP's taking direct and decisive action. The three major measurements of power in this game are money, time, and connections. Now, two can be easily bought. New board flood? I don't understand.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.24 09:11:00 - [87] Originally by: Loyal Servant Originally by: Amarria Black There was a new board flood yesterday morning, Voogru. Nice to know CCP's taking direct and decisive action. The three major measurements of power in this game are money, time, and connections. Now, two can be easily bought. New board flood? I don't understand. Someone with a gibberish name uses a script to post a link to an isk-selling site on every EVE board pretty much simultaneously.
Viruzzz2	Posted - 2007.11.26 04:05:00 - [88] Edited by: Viruzzz2 on 26/11/2007 04:06:42 Originally by: Pitt Bull The only reason WoW is any good at fighting farming is because they have so many more customers, they can afford to lose over 50,000 accounts in one day. You think there are no botters in WoW? there are. you just don't see them cause the places they farm are instanced, shielding them completely from public view, if anything there are more in WoW than there is in EVE, because the game is more popular and it's not like they ban 50.000 accounts every* day. Originally by: Durisis what?? using the anti-spam utility as it is intended? what outrageously preposterous lies!! That 'blocks' legit mail too sadly. No matter what you do farmers will always exist. I find it weird though, that everyone always attacks the sellers and farmers. It's the buyers that you need to do something about. The sellers don't care if they lose an account, they can easily start up a new one. and unless you actually get the farmer accounts they wont even have to worry about any skill training, they can do their "job" as effectively with a 1d old account as they can with a 6mo old account scaring the buyers is more effective than banning the sellers. since they actually fear losing the time they invested in skills. Edit: i really gotta delete this char from my account. ~Freya Runestone
Amateratsu Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.26 05:22:00 - [89] testing signature:P
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2007.11.26 12:01:00 - [90] Originally by: Amateratsu testing signature:P Please do something about the hypocritical little bastards who post in these threads but are still in alliances that are allied with or even those that directly benefit from ISK farmers.

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